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Science proofs of the Qur'an

rockerrocker Posts: 43
edited January 2011 in R & R (Religion and Race)
The Miracle of Birth
[We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)

THE QUR'AN WRITING ABOUT THE NOW ACCEPTED THREE TRIMESTERS OF BIRTH
He creates you stage by stage in your mothers' wombs in threefold darkness. That is Allah, your Lord. Sovereignty is His. There is no god but Him. So what has made you deviate? (Qur'an, 39:6)

ISLAM WRITING ABOUT THE ORBIT OF THE MOON AND SAYING THE ORBIT IS A "SPHERE" AT A TIME WHEN EARTH WAS CONSIDERED FLAT
And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 36:39-40)

CORRECT CALCULATION OF THE LUNAR YEAR
In former times a month was calculated as the time between two full moons, or the time it took the Moon to travel around the Earth. According to this, one month was equal to 29 days, 12 hours and 44 minutes. This is known as the "lunar month." Twelve lunar months represent one year, according to the Hijri calendar. However, there is a difference of eleven days between the Hijri calendar and the Gregorian calendar, in which a year is the time it takes the Earth to orbit the Sun. Indeed, attention is drawn to this difference in another verse:

They stayed in their Cave for three hundred years and added nine. (Qur'an, 18:25)

We can clarify the time referred to in the verse thus: 300 years x 11 days (the difference which forms every year) = 3,300 days. Bearing in mind that one solar year lasts 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 45.5 seconds, 3,300 days/365.24 days = 9 years. To put it another way, 300 years according to the Gregorian calendar is equal to 300+9 years according to the Hijri calendar. As we can see, the verse refers to this finely calculated difference of 9 years. (Allah knows best.) There is no doubt that the Qur'an, which contains such pieces of information, which transcended the everyday knowledge of the time, is a miraculous revelation.

THE QUR'AN DESCRIBING THE FACT THE EARTH IS ROTATING
You will see the mountains and reckon them to be solid; but they go past like clouds-the handiwork of Allah Who gives to everything its solidity. He is aware of what you do. (Qur'an, 27:88)

THE QUR'AN DESCRIBING THE NOW ACCEPTED 7 LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things. (Qur'an, 2:29)

Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur'an, 41:11-12)

Scientist now approve the seven layers of atmosphere: 1. Troposphere 2. Stratosphere 3. Mesosphere 4. Thermosphere 5. Exosphere 6. Ionosphere 7. Magnetosphere.

THE QUR'AN DESCRIBING THE NOW ACCEPTED 7 LAYERS OF THE EARTH
It is Allah Who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same number, the Command descending down through all of them, so that you might know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah encompasses all things in His knowledge. (Qur'an, 65:12)

Scientists now approve the seven layers of the earth: 1st layer: Lithosphere (water) 2nd layer: Lithosphere (land) 3rd layer: Asthenosphere 4th layer: Upper Mantle 5th layer: Inner Mantle 6th layer: Outer Core 7th layer: Inner Core

THE QUR'AN DESCRIBING THE FORMATION OF PETROL/OIL BEFORE THE CONCEPT WAS EVEN KNOWN TO MAN
Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High: He Who created and moulded; He Who determined and guided; He Who brings forth green pasture, then makes it blackened stubble. (Qur'an, 87:1-5)

THE QUR'AN MENTIONS THE RELATIVITY OF TIME A THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE EINSTEIN
A day with your Lord is equivalent to a thousand years in the way you count. (Qur'an, 22:47)

He directs the whole affair from heaven to earth. Then it will again ascend to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by the way you measure. (Qur'an, 32:5)

The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose length is fifty thousand years. (Qur'an, 70:4)

ISLAM DESCRIBES THE EARTH WAS MADE IN 16 BILLION EARTH YEARS, THE SAME TIME SPAN ACCEPTED BY MODERN SCIENTISTS

Your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then settled Himself firmly on the Throne... (Qur'an, 7:54)

One example of the harmony between the Qur'an and modern science is the subject of the age of the universe. Cosmologists estimate the age of the universe as 16-17 billion years. The Qur'an states that the entire universe was created in six days. These two time frames, which may seem contradictory, are actually surprisingly compatible. In fact, both these figures concerning the age of the universe are correct. In other words, the universe was created in six days, as revealed in the Qur'an, and this period corresponds to 16-17 billion years in the way that we experience time.

In 1915 Einstein proposed that time was relative, that the passage of time altered according to space, the speed of the person travelling and the force of gravity at that moment. Bearing in mind these differences in the passage of time, the period of time in which the universe was created as revealed in seven different verses of the Qur'an is actually highly compatible with scientists' estimations. The six-day period revealed in the Qur'an can be thought of as six periods. Because, taking into account the relativity of time, a "day" refers only to a 24-hour period experienced on Earth under current conditions. Elsewhere in the universe, however, at another time and under other conditions, a "day" could refer to a much longer period of time. Indeed, the word "ayyamin" in the period of six days (sittati ayyamin) in these verses (Qur'an 32:4, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59, 57:4, 50:38, and 7:54) means not only "days," but also "age, period, moment, term."

In the first period of the universe, the passage of time took place much faster than that with which we are familiar today. The reason for this is that, at the moment of the Big Bang, our universe was compressed into a very small point. The expansion of the universe and increase in its volume ever since the moment of that explosion has extended the borders of the universe to millions of light years. Indeed, the stretching of space ever since that moment has had very important ramifications for universal time.

The energy at the moment of the Big Bang slowed down the flow of time 1012 (one million million) times. When the universe was created the speed of universal time was higher up to a million million times, as time is experienced today. In other words, a million million minutes on Earth is the equivalent of just one minute in universal time.

When a six-day period of time is calculated according to the relativity of time, it equates to six million million (six trillion) days. That is because universal time flows a million million times faster than time on Earth. Calculated in terms of years, 6 trillion days equates to approximately 16.427 billion years. This is within the estimated range for the age of the universe.

6,000,000,000,000 days/365.25 = 16.427104723 billion years

THE QUR'AN WRITES ABOUT COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE, ELECTRICTY
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The metaphor of His Light is that of a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp inside a glass, the glass like a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, its oil all but giving off light even if no fire touches it. Light upon Light. Allah guides to His Light whoever He wills and Allah makes metaphors for mankind and Allah has knowledge of all things. (Qur'an, 24:35)

QUR'AN WRITES ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF FINGER PRINTS AS IDENTITY
Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)

QUR'AN WRITES ABOUT THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)

And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)
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  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    The fact the universe is still expanding has been discovered in the last century by Edwin Hubble and Einstein. The Qur'an wrote about the expanding universe a thousand years ago
    (And We have built the heavens with Our own hands; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.) (51:47)
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    The basis of origins for living things in modern science is that all life is traced back to origins in water. The Qur'an a thousand years ago
    Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

    This particular verse is powerful for science because it explains both the Big Bang and all life beginning in water. Remember when science attacks religion, they have the Narrations of man in mind (Bible) and not the truth of the Qur'an. Christianity does not say anything about life beginning in water nor Big Bang, while the Qur'an supports both. Remember also this is the limitations of science, that they know these things happened while Islam also includes why it happened. Famed scientists like Dr Collins, the man in charge of the Human Genome project, questioned the limitations of science to be unable to provide the why. Keep in mind Islam explained the how and the "why" centuries and centuries before modern science.

    Also:
    It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)"
    And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45)"
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    The Qur'an says that Angels are made from light. Using the relativity of time mentioned in the Qur'an, let us see if the time distance Angels get to God as mentioned in the Qur'an is supported by the speed of light.

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  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, I learned this by watching the Deen Show. Keith Moore and a couple other scientists converted after studying the Koran for years. It's incredible.

    We have to understand that the Prophet Muhammed was illiterate in a stagnant backwards Arabia. How could the prophet come up with this scientific proofs just discovered in the last century?

    Today Europeans who distorted the Gospel and know it through their history are leaving it in droves while their educated elite, once exposed to the Qur'an, are unable to prevent themselves from converting. It is interesting how Christianity was once viewed as the religion of civilization through European colonialization while today it is adhered to as blind faith by the uneducated masses of the world while Islam has been emancipateed by the advancements in science.

    Czech athiest scientists converting to Islam

    English Doctor converting to Islam

    American Neuro-science professor converting to Islam

    Ex-athiest American mathematics professor converting to Islam
  • TX_Made713TX_Made713 Posts: 3,954 ✭✭
    edited January 2011
    will peep this thread when i get a chance
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    I haven't heard a logical answer for that. Perhaps people who don't believe in God can offer their thoughts on that.

    Professor Keith Moore, chair of the University of Toronto department of anatomy wrote as President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists and honorary member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah...The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. The descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century.

    Professor Moore even became a Muslims saying "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah."

    There are so many like him. Another professor E. Marshall Johnson, Chair of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology in Thomas Jefferson. once wrote "in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science...As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described".
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    It was only recently that scientists noticed the Mediterranean sea and Atlantic ocean do not mix even though they have a boundary and that this goes to many other bodies of water who share boundary and are seemingly connected but are very different along their fault lines with each keeping its own density, saline concentration etc.

    The Qur'an
    He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Qur'an, 55:19-20)

    The Qur'an saying the solar orbit is helio-centric (Sun at the center) when the whole world up to the middle ages believed it to be Geo-centric (the Earth at the center)
    By the Sun and its morning brightness, and the moon when it follows it, and the day when it displays it, and the night when it conceals it (Chapter of the Sun, 1-4)

    The Qur'an specifically says that the Sun is the center of the Universe, that it is the MOON which follows it, and that is night and day who conceal with with respect to their position of time, that being our movement, our revolution around the sun that accounts for day and night....essentially the sun is the center.

    That is not all because the Qur'an even speaks about the fact that they are all moving something only came to modern science hundreds of years after the Qur'an:
    And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)
    It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)


    The Qur'an (attributed to an illiterate Arab man by non-Muslims) describing something inconceivable, that the fix mountains and things we see are actually rotating
    You will see the mountains and reckon them to be solid; but they go past like clouds-the handiwork of Allah Who gives to everything its solidity. He is aware of what you do. ( 27:88)
  • KTULU IS BACKKTULU IS BACK Posts: 6,617 ✭✭
    edited January 2011
    As usual, they're all either vague enough to plug into whatever modern idea you want or they were already common knowledge in Muhammad's time.


    But you don't want to hear that.
  • AlkindusAlkindus Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    I haven't heard a logical answer for that. Perhaps people who don't believe in God can offer their thoughts on that.

    mohammad didn't write the koran(and really, not being able to write doesn't mean u aren't able to speak well), he was surrounded with briliiant people/minds. He made mecca the capital not only because of it's holyness, but because it is basically untakeble for any army to conquer(powers in damascus n baghdad back than) due to it's geographics.

    + people always say that arabia was loaded with barbarians, but forget to mention that those same barbarians were analyzing the universe/starts/planets etc thousands of years before the birth of mohammad and gave us the number system we use today.
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  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    As usual, they're all either vague enough to plug into whatever modern idea you want or they were already common knowledge in Muhammad's time.


    But you don't want to hear that.

    You are not in a position to make that statement.
    Professor Keith Moore, chair of the University of Toronto department of anatomy wrote as President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists and honorary member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah...The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. The descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century.

    Also, you have to understand the Qur'an is not a book of science, but a book of faith. It is not meant to be taken as a science book but the fact that miracles of the Qur'an include science facts that were nonexistent then is meant to be taken as a sign. It is supposed to compliment the essence of Iman or Faith.

    p.s. More people leave Christianity then join in today's highly globalized educating world society while even every continent especially the West, Islam is the fastest growing religion..getting more converts than all other religions combined. It is a for a reason.
  • KTULU IS BACKKTULU IS BACK Posts: 6,617 ✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Your fallacy is a hilarious appeal to authority.

    Like I said, SOME of those things were known in Muhammad's time and some of them are so vague that they can easily be fit into a modern view of several different things.

    It is a shame that Muslims are brainwashing their children, leading to the appearance of a "growing religion." Islam was brutally spread by the sword and continues to use violence to achieve its insane goals of globalization.
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    Alkindus wrote: »
    + people always say that arabia was loaded with barbarians, but forget to mention that those same barbarians were analyzing the universe/starts/planets etc thousands of years before the birth of mohammad and gave us the number system we use today.

    You are actually wrong. The Indians developed a primitive set of numerals and Muslims/Arabs/Persians made it the number system we use today after Islam, around 300 years after the prophet Mohammed's death. It was around the beginning of the Islamic golden age.
  • king hassanking hassan south side somewherePosts: 22,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    la ilaha ilahhi illAllah
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    Your fallacy is a hilarious appeal to authority.

    Like I said, SOME of those things were known in Muhammad's time and some of them are so vague that they can easily be fit into a modern view of several different things.

    It is a shame that Muslims are brainwashing their children, leading to the appearance of a "growing religion." Islam was brutally spread by the sword and continues to use violence to achieve its insane goals of globalization.

    Try not to be so emotional. What you call my fallacy is what makes more scientists accept religion than anything else. If you didn't concentrate so much on disproving as much as being open minded enough to analyze objectively, you might actually speak rationally rather than an emotional political activist. Muslims are not brainwashing their children. Even though more than a quarter of Muslims in the West are from non-Muslim families, let me say yes I was born a Muslim, true but I grew up here in America and questioned faith many times. I questioned the existence of God, the practicality my faith would be "the" Faith many times, and of my own accord while studying it including the historical record, I concluded there is no way that the Qur'an could be anything but the word of God, sent down because of the damage done to the Gospel as God always says he renews his faith to Man every time man muddles his message. By all historical accord, from the Persians, the Byzantiums, the Egyptians, and even the Jews of Mecca and Medina who recorded him the prophet Muhammad was an illiterate man who, as they say, claimed to be called to messagehood on his 40th birthday. In the short span of his preaching, this book, the Holy Qur'an, was compiled under his watch. It is not like the Bible that is composed of letters and story telling by Man, it is the Word of God that was sent to Mohammed by the archangel Gabriel and has not been changed since. You read the Qur'an and it is like a book no man could have written because they couldn't have, and I read the Bible and think I am reading Dickinson or something.

    Here is the Jewish agnostic scholar Lesley Hazleton remarking on the essence of the Qur'an. It dazzles like the day it was compiled.
  • rockerrocker Posts: 43
    edited January 2011
    la ilaha ilahhi illAllah

    La ilaha illa laah Muhammadu rasulu laah
  • Jabu_RuleJabu_Rule Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    rocker wrote: »
    Try not to be so emotional. What you call my fallacy is what makes more scientists accept religion than anything else. If you didn't concentrate so much on disproving as much as being open minded enough to analyze objectively, you might actually speak rationally rather than an emotional political activist. Muslims are not brainwashing their children. Even though more than a quarter of Muslims in the West are from non-Muslim families, let me say yes I was born a Muslim, true but I grew up here in America and questioned faith many times. I questioned the existence of God, the practicality my faith would be "the" Faith many times, and of my own accord while studying it including the historical record, I concluded there is no way that the Qur'an could be anything but the word of God, sent down because of the damage done to the Gospel as God always says he renews his faith to Man every time man muddles his message. By all historical accord, from the Persians, the Byzantiums, the Egyptians, and even the Jews of Mecca and Medina who recorded him the prophet Muhammad was an illiterate man who, as they say, claimed to be called to messagehood on his 40th birthday. In the short span of his preaching, this book, the Holy Qur'an, was compiled under his watch. It is not like the Bible that is composed of letters and story telling by Man, it is the Word of God that was sent to Mohammed by the archangel Gabriel and has not been changed since. You read the Qur'an and it is like a book no man could have written because they couldn't have, and I read the Bible and think I am reading Dickinson or something.

    Here is the Jewish agnostic scholar Lesley Hazleton remarking on the essence of the Qur'an. It dazzles like the day it was compiled.

    There are several different religions claiming to be the "fastest growing religion". Such claims vary because of different definitions of "fastest growing", and whether the claim is worldwide or regional. There are also many unreliable claims and rumours, especially for conversion rates, that often spread as urban legends.

    Globally, the World Christian Database estimates the growth of Islam by percentage at 1.84% for 2000-2005 due to high birthrates in Asia, the Middle East, and Europe.[25] A comprehensive demographic study finds that there are 1.57 billion Muslims of all ages living in the world today, representing 23% of the estimated 2009 world population.

    Basically, you stay having seeds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest-growing_religion

    African Americans by large become Muslim once imprisoned because it's that or rape.

    Also your text are in question because they are questionable. Just because the Muslims new a bit about science, doesn't make them closer to god. It just makes them scientist. Your discrediting their ability to observe process and describe it. No man wrote the Qur'an. A bunch of them did as you indicated. Man is still responsible no matter how you state it.

    You also don't all agree on a common translation for the Qur'an which is why there is factional fighting within Islam.
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  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    edited January 2011
    Alkindus wrote: »
    + people always say that arabia was loaded with barbarians, but forget to mention that those same barbarians were analyzing the universe/starts/planets etc thousands of years before the birth of mohammad and gave us the number system we use today.
    to be fair, there is no person with a legitimate grasp of history who sums up that region with "loaded with barbarians"
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    I'll address the interesting ones:
    rocker wrote: »
    The Miracle of Birth
    [We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)
    This looks like a reference to the classical idea that menstrual clotted blood is fertile; which is neither unique nor true. And bones don't develop before flesh.
    rocker wrote: »
    THE QUR'AN DESCRIBING THE NOW ACCEPTED 7 LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
    ...
    Scientist now approve the seven layers of atmosphere: 1. Troposphere 2. Stratosphere 3. Mesosphere 4. Thermosphere 5. Exosphere 6. Ionosphere 7. Magnetosphere.
    Not quite, Earth's atmosphere has 5 layers, and as the name suggests, the "exosphere" is the outermost layer. The ionosphere actually includes the thermosphere and exosphere. And the magnetosphere is not part of the Earth's atmosphere.
    rocker wrote: »
    THE QUR'AN DESCRIBING THE NOW ACCEPTED 7 LAYERS OF THE EARTH
    ...
    Scientists now approve the seven layers of the earth: 1st layer: Lithosphere (water) 2nd layer: Lithosphere (land) 3rd layer: Asthenosphere 4th layer: Upper Mantle 5th layer: Inner Mantle 6th layer: Outer Core 7th layer: Inner Core
    Obviously, there is some repetition here to stretch the layers. The first layer is actually the Earth's crust; which includes the continental and oceanic crusts. Plus, if you're going to separate the mantle layer into separate layers, you'll have to include the area in between the upper and lower mantle, and the area below. Otherwise, a few hundred kilometers of depth would be missing. Additionally, the lithosphere is and asthenosphere are parts of the upper mantle. So, it's really four layers; but if you must to break down the layers into smaller layers, it's nine.
    rocker wrote: »
    ISLAM DESCRIBES THE EARTH WAS MADE IN 16 BILLION EARTH YEARS, THE SAME TIME SPAN ACCEPTED BY MODERN SCIENTISTS
    The energy at the moment of the Big Bang slowed down the flow of time 1012 (one million million) times. When the universe was created the speed of universal time was higher up to a million million times, as time is experienced today. In other words, a million million minutes on Earth is the equivalent of just one minute in universal time.
    Interesting mistake here, after acknowledging the relativity of time, they refer to a "universal time". Such a concept is only possible if time is observed from every single reference point in the universe and then averaged out. So, when taking into account that humans have observed time from one reference point, Earth, there are an infinite number of reference points left before any "universal time" can be known.
    rocker wrote: »
    THE QUR'AN WRITES ABOUT COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE, ELECTRICTY
    Something burning is required for a process to be labeled as "combustion". The process of an exothermic reaction is not the same as the the process of electric charges flowing; whether fire is involved or not.

    The rest are just vague statements that have been biasly extrapolated to mesh with accepted scientific theories/laws or other known processes. Kind of like using the verse about seasonal vegetation cycles to assert that it was referencing oil formation.
  • supaman4321supaman4321 Posts: 946
    edited January 2011
    jazak allah khair akhi

    I've tried beating them over the head with a lot of this stuff but we can guide them we can only warn them

    salaam alaikum wa rahmatuallah wa barakatuh
  • alissowackalissowack Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Does having scientific proofs that serves as parallels to the Qur'an actually make it something to be respected? The impression it seems is because if it is true, then Islam should be accepted by default and not consider the dark history associated with it. Islam would still have to explain why people who believe it so to want to go and do bad things because of it.
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  • supaman4321supaman4321 Posts: 946
    edited January 2011
    Muslims don't need to apologize for misguided "muslims" any more than christians or any other religion that has people that take things and twist them for political and personal purposes.If we need to explain them do we also not get to celebrate the BILLIONS of peaceful Muslims that adhere to the Qur'an and Sunnah or do you find it easier to generalize a part of the majority of Muslims representing the whole?

    I don't know about you but America was my model for "terrorism" long before i took the shahada i imagine the millions of innocent women and children that have been murdered in palestine would agree with me, now do you feel any kind of responsbility in answering for them or do you not feel the need?
  • alissowackalissowack Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Muslims don't need to apologize for misguided "muslims" any more than christians or any other religion that has people that take things and twist them for political and personal purposes.If we need to explain them do we also not get to celebrate the BILLIONS of peaceful Muslims that adhere to the Qur'an and Sunnah or do you find it easier to generalize a part of the majority of Muslims representing the whole?

    I don't know about you but America was my model for "terrorism" long before i took the shahada i imagine the millions of innocent women and children that have been murdered in palestine would agree with me, now do you feel any kind of responsbility in answering for them or do you not feel the need?

    And I agree...the good shouldn't have to answer for what the bad do...but it happens. We both can't deny what both Christianity and Islam represent in the eyes of those who have their doubts. Some come to the conclusion that if these religions actually lead them to a life of corruption, then there isn't reason to accept them.
    al-is-so-wack: Deplorable for hire.
  • John PrewettJohn Prewett Posts: 755
    edited January 2011
    MO was an enslaver, a slave owner,slave trader, slave raper, torturer, an inciter of and leader of killers and among the world's greatest con artist. But it's a free universe, and you are perfectly free to follow him to hell.
  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsPosts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    I'd say religion divides and conquers, but its the mind of man that does that. I can appreciate the various religions now that my mind isn't stuck on ONE of them having to be right.
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    edited January 2011
    Muslims don't need to apologize for misguided "muslims"...
    I don't know about you but America was my model for "terrorism" long before i took the shahada...
    well, your logic dictates that no American feel the need to apologize for anything misguided that America does, right?
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