now the "Official Swiffness! (TM) Brand Libyan Revolution Thread"
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Gaddafi's swag >>>>>>>>>>>>
I tried to make a post about it and a thread with pics but neither is coming on the board, so I'll just leave it at this: dude has a magnificent wardrobe, google it for details. -
one_manshow wrote: »Example how one revolution can trigger a domino effect its time these empowered people from these nations take action.
You can't actually believe thats whats happnin, muhfuckas like the Muslim Brotherhood are organizin this ? to form the Islamic Caliphate they been wantin for the last several decades.
Over and that ? ain't resigninThaChozenWun wrote: »OVER/UNDER
50,000 people Ghadaffi kills before resigning
Nah Gaddafi gon stay in power and run the Caliphate along wit the new dictators of these other countries, he been down for this Islamic Caliphate ? since the 80s so some of these ? gon ride wit him.ThaChozenWun wrote: »I'm glad to see all these nation rising up, and after Ghadaffi resigns or is killed I'm sure there will be 2-3 more countries to successfully riot, but at the same time there's gonna be some dictator 10 times worst taking over in one of them or America is gonna come put a chokehold on a broke country and drain it dead.
Gaddafi's a ? Gangsta!one_manshow wrote: »Gaddafi going out Tony Montana style....he rather be killed then give take the monumental L. Its about to get ugly in Libya there are people willing to die for this cause.fortyacres&amule wrote: »gaddafi the Based Gawd, stay ? on everybody
That was the Archduke Ferdinand moment errybody been waitin on, dude murkin hisself has started the beginnin of World War 3.Swiffness! wrote: »11:29pm: Late last year, a Tunisian man, Mohamed Bouazizi, set himself alight in an act of protest against his government. That act sparked the protest movements that have since swept across the Middle East, causing regime change in both Tunisia and Egypt - and now Libya.Jonas.dini wrote: »Gaddafi's swag >>>>>>>>>>>>
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shootemwon wrote: »swiffness why have you still not responded to my afghanistan thread ?
because instead of spending 10 minutes typing counterpoints I had the bright idea of turning it into a fancy term paper with footnotes and ? , forgetting the fact that I hate long-form writing even tho I'm good at it
then Verizon shut off my internet for a couple weeks after I ah, didn't pay them (smh)
then I realized 2011 will be a major year in Afghanistan (as the Taliban attempts to rebound from the substantial losses it suffered in 2010), so there will be Afghanistan debate threads other than that one by Shootem
but since you made me feel guilty, I suppose I'll respond to those (2, reasonable, more limited in scope than I remember) arguments you threw out there before I got high and overexcited about the subject lol -
State media is reporting that the Minister of the Interior, Major General Abdul Fatah Younis, has been kidnapped hours after he dramatically broke ranks with Qaddafi --- his friend and ally since the regime took power in 1969 --- by resigning and calling on the armed forces to join the "February 17 Revolution".
This could be disinformation: in his speech yesterday, made just before Younis announced his departure, Qaddafi said the Minister of Interior had survived an assassination attempt. Or it could be a pre-emptive strike by the Libyan leader: Younis said late last night that the assassination attempt was by Qaddafi's own men, and today's rumour may be a signal that Younis has indeed been removed from the scene by abduction or worse.
wow, that was quick
"How can a leader subject his own people to a shower of machine-guns, tanks and bombs? How can a leader bomb his own people, and afterwards say 'I will ? anyone who says anything?'" - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Libya
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Don't be surprised if in the coming days we get word that somebody that supposedly "loyal and close," to Khadfi popped his ass. It's one thing to be riding against and going hard on "infidels," in the West and the Jews, but it's quite another to use the military and mercenaries against the citizenry. Especially when all the citizenry want is basic human dignity and respect.
Where these despotic leaders go wrong at is they forgot about the common man. These ? look out of family and loyal partisans, but forgot about the part about giving ? "bread and circuses." If you're going to be a autocract, ? need their bases covered. The average citizen has to be able to feed himself and make money. Also you have to show some sort of resepct for human rights. Those ? in the Middle East and Africa are analogus to a ? who's finally realized that ? isn't going to act right. They're fed up and what to do something other than what their doing. I wish them the best. Those dudes need freedom, democracy, internet porn, and the ability to enjoy the beauty of their women. Maybe if they had those things they wouldn't be so anxious to jihad. -
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"Ahmadinejad" is an ancient Libyan word meaning "shameless"Swiffness! wrote: »"How can a leader subject his own people to a shower of machine-guns, tanks and bombs? How can a leader bomb his own people, and afterwards say 'I will ? anyone who says anything?'" - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Libya -
By PAUL SCHEMM and SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Paul Schemm And Sarah El Deeb, Associated Press – 44 mins ago
BENGHAZI, Libya – Foreign mercenaries and Libyan militiamen loyal to Moammar Gadhafi tried to roll back the uprising against his rule that has advanced closer to his stronghold in Tripoli, attacking two nearby cities in battles that killed at least 17 people. But rebels made new gains, seizing a military air base, as Gadhafi blamed Osama bin Laden for the upheaval.
The worse bloodshed was in Zawiya, 30 miles (50 kilometers) west of the capital Tripoli. An army unit loyal to Gadhafi opened fire with automatic weapons on a mosque where residents — some armed with hunting rifles for protection — have been holding a sit-in to support protesters in the capital, a witness said.
The troops blasted the mosque's minaret with an anti-aircraft gun. A doctor at a field clinic set up at the mosque said he saw the bodies of 10 dead, shot in the head and chest, as well as around 150 wounded. A Libyan news website, Qureyna, put the death toll at 23 and said many of the wounded could not reach hospitals because of shooting by "security forces and mercenaries."
A day earlier, an envoy from Gadhafi had come to the city from Tripoli and warned the protesters: "Either leave or you will see a massacre," the witness said. On Tuesday night, Gadhafi himself called on his supporters to hunt down opponents in their homes.
Zawiya, a key city close to an oil port and refineries, is the nearest population center to Tripoli to fall into the hands of the anti-Gadhafi rebellion that began Feb. 15. Hundreds have died in the unrest.
Most of the eastern half of Libya has already broken away, and diplomats, ministers and even a high-ranking cousin have abandoned Gadhafi, who has ruled Libya for 41 years. He is still believed to be firmly in control only of the capital, some towns around it, the far desert south and parts of Libya's sparsely populated center.
Gadhafi's crackdown has been the harshest by any Arab leader in the wave of protests that has swept the Middle East the past month, toppling the presidents of Libya's neighbors — Egypt and Tunisia. The New York-based Human Rights Watch has put the death toll in Libya at nearly 300, according to a partial count. Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said estimates of some 1,000 people killed were "credible."
The upheaval in the OPEC nation has taken most of Libya's oil production of 1.6 million barrels a day off the market, and crude prices have jumped 20 percent to two-year highs in just a week — reaching $99.77 per barrel in afternoon trading in New York and $114.20 in London on Thursday. Most of the oil goes to Europe.
Click image to see photos of protests in Libya
Reuters/Asmaa Waguih
Hours after the attack in Zawiya, Gadhafi called in to state TV and in a rambling speech expressed condolences for the dead but then angrily scolded the city's residents for siding with the uprising.
He blamed the revolt on bin Laden and teenagers hopped up on hallucinogenic pills given to them "in their coffee with milk, like Nescafe."
"Shame on you, people of Zawiya, control your children," he said, addressing residents of the city outside Tripoli where the mosque attack took place. "They are loyal to bin Laden," he said of those involved in the uprising. "What do you have to do with bin Laden, people of Zawiya? They are exploiting young people ... I insist it is bin Laden."
Gadhafi quickly condemned the Sept. 11 attacks that bin Laden masterminded, saying: "We have never seen such a horrific and terrifying act performed in such a exhibitionist manner." He cracked down on his country's Muslim militants, including those linked to al-Qaida. But in 2009, he said bin Laden had shown signs that he is open to dialogue and recommended that President Barack Obama seek an opening with the terrorist leader.
Thousands massed in Zawiya's main Martyrs Square by the Souq Mosque after the attack, shouting for Gadhafi to "leave, leave," the witness said. "People came to send a clear message: We are not afraid of death or your bullets," he said.
In the latest blow to the Libyan leader, a cousin who is one of his closest aides, Ahmed Gadhaf al-Dam, announced that he has defected to Egypt in protest against the regime's ? crackdown, denouncing what he called "grave violations to human rights and human and international laws."
Gadhaf al-Dam is one of the highest level defections to hit the regime so far, after many ambassadors around the world, the justice minister and the interior minister all sided with the protesters. Gadhaf al-Dam belonged to Gadhafi's inner circle, served as his liaison with Egypt and frequently appeared by his side.
The regime's other attempt to take back lost territory came east of Tripoli. Pro-Gadhafi militiamen — a mix of Libyans and foreign mercenaries — assaulted a small airport outside Libya's third largest city, Misrata, about 120 miles (200 kilometers) from the capital.
Militiamen with rocket-propelled grenades and mortars barraged a line of government opponents who were guarding the airport, some armed with rifles, said one of the rebels who was involved in the battle.
During the fighting, the airport's defenders seized an anti-aircraft gun used by the militias and turned it against them, he said.
At the same time, officers from an air force school near the airport mutinied and, along with residents, overwhelmed an adjacent military air base where Gadhafi loyalists were holed up, a medical official at the base said. The air force personnel disabled fighter jets at the base to prevent them from being used against the uprising, he said.
The medical official said seven people were killed in the fighting at the airport — six from the opposition camp and one from the attackers — and 50 were wounded, including a six-year-old girl and her 11-year-old sister.
"Now Misrata is totally under control of the people, but we are worried because we are squeezed between Sirte and Tripoli, which are strongholds of Gadhafi," he said.
The doctor, medical officials and witnesses around Libya spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.
Gadhafi's crackdown has so far helped him maintain control of Tripoli, home to about a third of Libya's 6 million population. But the uprising has divided the country and raised the specter of civil war.
In cities across the east, anti-Gadhafi forces rose up and overwhelmed government buildings and army bases, joined in many cases by local army units that defected. In those cities, tribal leaders, residents and military officers have formed local administrations, passing out weapons looted from the security forces' arsenals.
They now control a swath of territory from the Egyptian border in the east, across nearly half Libya's 1,000-mile (1,600-kilometer) Mediterranean coast to the key oil port of Breqa, about 440 miles (710 kilometers) east of Tripoli.
Libyan Parliament Speaker Mohammed Abul-Qassim al-Zwai, asked whether the government planned to send relief to the rebel-controlled east, told reporters in Tripoli: "We cannot supply these areas because they are chaotic. Police stations have been attacked."
International momentum has been building for action to punish Gadhafi's regime for the bloodshed.
The Swiss government on Thursday ordered a freeze of any assets in Switzerland belonging to Gadhafi. The European Union pushed for Libya to be suspended from the U.N.'s top human rights body over possible crimes against humanity and for the U.N. Security Council to approve a probe into "gross and systematic violations of human rights by the Libyan authorities."
Obama said Wednesday that the crackdown "is outrageous and it is unacceptable," and he directed his administration to prepare a full range of options, including possible sanctions that could freeze the assets and ban travel to the U.S. by Libyan officials.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy raised the possibility of the European Union cutting off economic ties.
A number of Arab regimes, concerned about the unrest, have taken pre-emptive measures to try to head off the type of mass uprisings that swept through Egypt and Tunisia and now, Libya.
Algeria, another North African Arab state, on Thursday officially lifted a state of emergency in place for the past 19 years. The decision to do away with the restrictive measure has long been demanded by opposition parties and civil society and it comes amid a flurry of strikes and protests in a wide range of sectors — clearly a gesture aimed at restoring a measure of calm.
In Libya, Tripoli saw an outbreak of major protests against Gadhafi's rule earlier this week, met with attacks by militiamen who shot protesters on sight and killed dozens. One morning earlier in the week, residents awoke and reported bodies littering the streets in some neighborhoods.
Pro-Gadhafi militiamen — a mix of Libyans and foreign mercenaries — have clamped down on the city since the Libyan leader went on state TV Tuesday night and called on his supporters to take back the streets. Residents say militiamen roam Tripoli's main avenues, firing the air, while neighborhood watch groups have barricaded side streets trying to keep the fighters out and protesters lay low.
In his call to state TV, Gadhafi alternated between bitterly lashing out at Zawiya's residents — and by extension others in the population — for being ungrateful and telling them to control what he depicted as an uprising by misguided teenagers.
"If you want to destroy (the country), it's your problem," he said. "If you want to live in this chaos, you are free."
"You should go out and stop the young people who are carrying RPGs and rifles," he said. "If the men are afraid let the women go out."
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Lol @ his beef with Bin Laden
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this is not so much about a beef with Bin Laden as it's a transparent appeal to the West for support. "if i am removed from power, al-al-al-QAEDA will take over!" i'm pretty sure we saw this with Mubarak as well...ThaChozenWun wrote: »Lol @ his beef with Bin Laden -
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Jonas.dini wrote: »Gaddafi's swag >>>>>>>>>>>>
I tried to make a post about it and a thread with pics but neither is coming on the board, so I'll just leave it at this: dude has a magnificent wardrobe, google it for details.
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Who is arming them? And do you guys think the revolution is legitimate? According to sources from the Russian military their satellites didn't report any sign of destruction supposedly inflicted by the Gaddafi regime. Also why are US warships passing through the Suez Canal heading closer towards Libya? What do you guys think is going to happen?
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Ioniz3dSPIRITZ wrote: »Who is arming them? And do you guys think the revolution is legitimate? According to sources from the Russian military their satellites didn't report any sign of destruction supposedly inflicted by the Gaddafi regime. Also why are US warships passing through the Suez Canal heading closer towards Libya? What do you guys think is going to happen?
US warships are always around that area. But if the activity is increased I'm guessing it would be in case of Ghadafi going on some really evil ? .
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I been saying the same ? . In Egypt and Tunisia the protester were deman ? but in Libya them mother ? was just protesting and not demanding ? .
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I expect more deaths, and more importantly, more videos from Libya on TheYNC.com.
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various sources (captured stockpiles, weapons military/police/some civilians already had, etc)Ioniz3dSPIRITZ wrote: »Who is arming them?
here's an article regarding some of these small arms stockpiles, FYI: Inside Gadhafi's Secret Underground Arsenal
my response would be "why is this the only Middle East revolution currently going on that you'd question the legitimacy of?" it's not like Libya is a bastion of human rights or responsible governance in a way that Tunisia or Egypt or anywhere else weren't. yet there's no concern about the legitimacy of those?Ioniz3dSPIRITZ wrote: »And do you guys think the revolution is legitimate?
(related is the notion that defenders of Ahmadinejad and/or Chavez should note the illegitimacy of those dudes based on their near-immediate responses of local repression, US-themed conspiracies and praise for Qadhafi)
source? because i've read a lot of recent articles citing Russians and while they're clearly cool to the notion of any US action or UN/NATO action, at the same time i have yet to see any of them claim there's been no destruction.Ioniz3dSPIRITZ wrote: »According to sources from the Russian military their satellites didn't report any sign of destruction supposedly inflicted by the Gaddafi regime.
here's the way i look at it:
-anti-Qadhafi forces say he's attacked them and/or protesters, and there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to support this;
-Qadhafi (and friends) said that there was no violence or protests right before they were on video saying the violence and protests are due to al-Qaida and they will turn Libya red with fire; Qadhafi says he can't step down because he has no position despite his obvious long-standing rulership; Qadhafi says his family has no assets overseas despite the amply-demonstrated fact that this children live and spend lavishly
so i think it's pretty clear which side has the credibility
because US warships can legitimately provide a WIDE range of functionsIoniz3dSPIRITZ wrote: »Also why are US warships passing through the Suez Canal heading closer towards Libya?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhnsMcUYtu8
