There can only be 3 contenders for GOAT Boxer. Who do u pick and why?

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Mumo X
Mumo X Banned Users Posts: 4,521 ✭✭
edited April 2011 in From the Cheap Seats
Based on dominance,achievements,influence,longevity and skillset either Muhammad Ali,Sugar Ray Robinson or Jack Johnson is the Greatest.

who you got? and state why?

Jack Johnson: known as the “Galveston Giant.”....unforgivable Blackness. Wuz the first heavyweight Black Champion. He wuz Muhammad Ali before Muhammad Ali stepped to the scene. Dominant in the ring and revolutionary outside,constantly taunting the white racists bigots.
Ring career: 1897-1928 Record: 77-13-14 (48 KOs) and 19 no-decisions

Sugar Ray Robinson: Was the most complete boxer and inspired the next two or three generations of boxers after him. Robinson retired from boxing with a record of 175-19-6 with 110 knockouts in 200 professional bouts, ranking him among the all-time leaders in knockouts.
Ring career: 1940-65 Record: 175-19-6-2 (109 KOs)

"Someone once said there was a comparison between Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson. Believe me, there's no comparison. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest."-Sugar Ray Leonard[58]

"The king, the master, my idol."-Muhammad Ali

Muhammad Ali: imo he is the Greatest fighter ever witnessed in the sport. Reinvented the art of fighting. His combination of speed andathleticism.......the epitome of a champion. Fought and became victorious in one of the most toughest eras in pro boxing.
Ring career: 1960-81 Record: 56-5 (37 KOs)
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  • smittysmith
    smittysmith Members Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    Sugar Ray Robinson: Dominate reign from lightweight up to middleweight. Ruledd the Welterweight & Middleweight divisions defeating the likes of Tommy Bell x2, Kid Gavilan x2, Fritzie Zivic x2, Sammy Angott x3, Henry Armstrong, Jake LaMotta x5, Randy Turpin, Bobo Olsen, Rocky Graziano, Gene Fullmer, and Carmen Basillio. Arguably the most complete fighting machine to ever grace the ring, truly ahead of his time. It's tough not putting him at the #1 spot.

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    Harry Greb: If its anyone who has a more rightful claim to #1 its this man. Created the greatest resume EVER with Fights from 147 all the way to Heavy with titles at both 160 and 175. The 1st and only man to defeat the great Gene Tunney. Arguably the greatest 160lb'er ever with wins over the likes of Tiger Flowers x2, Maxie Rosenbloom, Mickey Walker, Tommy Loughran x4, Tommy Gibbons x2, multiple wins over Battling Levinskey and Soldier Bartfield.

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    Sam Langford: The Boston Tar Baby was far more talented than he may have led on. He conviently would carry fighters and sometimes throw fights in efforts to receive return bouts. P4P arguably the hardest hitter of all time, being undersized he consistently went up against the giants slaying almost 130 of his 214 opponents. Working his way from 135 to Heavy he gained wins over Sammy McVey, Harry Wills, Kid Norfolk, Gunboat Smith, Philly Jack O'brien, Stanley Ketchel, Joe Jeanette, and Joe Gans.

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  • bossdon201
    bossdon201 Members Posts: 900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    Jack Johnson for knockin out those white crackers and then knocking off they wives later in a time when lookin at white man could get you lynched
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  • GrizTitan
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    edited February 2011
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    Mumo X wrote: »


    Sugar Ray Robinson: Was the most complete boxer and inspired the next two or three generations of boxers after him. Robinson retired from boxing with a record of 175-19-6 with 110 knockouts in 200 professional bouts, ranking him among the all-time leaders in knockouts.
    Ring career: 1940-65 Record: 175-19-6-2 (109 KOs)

    "Someone once said there was a comparison between Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson. Believe me, there's no comparison. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest."-Sugar Ray Leonard[58]


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  • htowntx
    htowntx Members Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    Antonio Tarver made this thread
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  • nycest_1
    nycest_1 Members Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    how the ? did jack johnson get on this list?

    the answer is easily robinson. though
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  • peagle05
    peagle05 Members Posts: 25,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    htowntx wrote: »
    Antonio Tarver made this thread

    lmao........
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  • Bcotton5
    Bcotton5 Members Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    Sugar Ray Robinson is the best ever
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  • robdaze151
    robdaze151 Banned Users Posts: 2,019 ✭✭
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    Ali.
    he fought the govenment and although he lost his title and some of his prime years he still won.
    Go watch facing Ali. everybody he fought was just happy to compete against him and be in his presence.
    That man was greatness with a gift of gab and a good ole midwest accent
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  • Toothpik
    Toothpik Members Posts: 192
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    robinson was great and all but its just like the rocky marciano argument...who the hell did robinson fight?name me 5 boxers robinson fought who are even close to top 50...

    Ali, easily....he was fighting in the toughest era of boxing vs some of the greats..Liston, Patterson, Norton, Frazier, Foreman, Spinks and so on....robinson may be best of his weight class, but ali is the GOAT...period...Ali/MJ best athletes eva...
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  • allied
    allied Members Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    That Sugar Ray record is RIDICULOUS...? .
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  • MR.CJ
    MR.CJ Members Posts: 64,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    allied wrote: »
    That Sugar Ray record is RIDICULOUS...? .

    WORD. that record won't be broken.
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  • Darius
    Darius Members Posts: 22,649 ✭✭✭✭
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWvDao-MpOk
    .................
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  • dalyricalbandit
    dalyricalbandit Members, Moderators Posts: 67,918 Regulator
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    allied wrote: »
    That Sugar Ray record is RIDICULOUS...? .

    rza.jpg

    real ? ...
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  • white715
    white715 Members Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2011
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    Sugar Ray

    Joe Louis should've been on this list tho holding the belt for 11 str8 years puts you in the converation

    Jake Johnson was knockin out white boys and smashin white hoes during the height of Jim Crow makes him a close second
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  • aneed123
    aneed123 Members Posts: 23,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ray Robinson is the greatest of all time but tiimes change and it isnt fair to compare eras cuz I know alot of modern boxers would beat the ? out of those white boys back then. Ali is the greatest heavy. Roy, Pea, and Floyd are the best Ive seen in my lifetime
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  • Trollio
    Trollio Members Posts: 25,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    black boxers>>>>>>>>>
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  • KTULU IS BACK
    KTULU IS BACK Banned Users Posts: 6,617 ✭✭
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    Jack Johnson was taught how to box by a Jewish man.
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  • Toothpik
    Toothpik Members Posts: 192
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    allied wrote: »
    That Sugar Ray record is RIDICULOUS...? .

    cause he was fighting absolutely nobody....
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  • themadlionsfan
    themadlionsfan Members Posts: 9,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    nycest_1 wrote: »
    how the ? did jack johnson get on this list?

    the answer is easily robinson. though

    because he might the greatest defensive fighter of all time
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  • aneed123
    aneed123 Members Posts: 23,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    themadlionsfan wrote: »
    because he might the greatest defensive fighter of all time

    naw pea pep and Floyd say otherwise
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  • nycest_1
    nycest_1 Members Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    aneed123 wrote: »
    naw pea pep and Floyd say otherwise

    add wright to that list too.
    a pressure fighter who stays right there and doesnt really get hit clean.
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  • nycest_1
    nycest_1 Members Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    themadlionsfan wrote: »
    because he might the greatest defensive fighter of all time

    and i'm pretty sure he landed on the list because of the ? that happened outside the ring. in more of a political rallying moment.
    but that racist ? holds no bearing on the greatness of a fighter
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  • Mumo X
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    white715 wrote: »
    Jake Johnson was knockin out white boys and smashin white hoes during the height of Jim Crow makes him a close second

    I loved how Johnson had the white man shook....his outspokeness, arrogance, boldness and how he infuriated and taunted the white race.

    When Johnson finally won the title, his victory caused an ideological crisis throughout the U.S. The media whipped up a frenzy around the need for a "A Great White Hope to restore order to the world.




    Former champion Jim Jeffries came out of retirement and said, "I am going into this fight for the sole purpose of proving that a white man is better than a ? . At the fight, which took place in 1910, the ringside band played a song called, "All ? look alike to me, and promoters led the all-white crowd in the chant "? the ? .

    But Johnson was faster, stronger and smarter than Jeffries, knocking him out with ease. After Johnson's victory, there were race riots around the country--in Illinois, Missouri, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Texas and Washington, D.C. Most of the riots consisted of white lynch mobs attempting to enter Black neighborhoods, and Blacks fighting back.

    This reaction to a boxing match was the most widespread simultaneous racial uprising in the U.S. until the riots that followed the 1968 assassination of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Black leaders, such as Booker T. Washington, pushed Johnson to condemn African Americans for rioting.
    Toothpik wrote: »
    Ali, easily....he was fighting in the toughest era of boxing vs some of the greats..Liston, Patterson, Norton, Frazier, Foreman, Spinks and so on....robinson may be best of his weight class, but ali is the GOAT...period...Ali/MJ best athletes eva...

    Cosign.....Ali is the GOAT. No one will ever touch him.

    Ali defied the racist amerikkkan government and alienated mainstream Amerikkka because he stood up for his principles. he refused induction into the US Army during the height of the war in Vietnam and his boxing license wez suspended. Hiz prime boxing years were taken away from him. He represented the struggle for afrikan americans and afrika. The fact that Best pound for pound fighter joined Nation of Islam at that time had white america shook...fought in the toughest era ever witnessed in boxing....defeated frazier,foreman...
    htowntx wrote: »
    Antonio Tarver made this thread

    this ? is infatuated with me......why you been checkin my profile? lame ass

    robdaze151 wrote: »
    Ali.
    he fought the govenment and although he lost his title and some of his prime years he still won.
    Go watch facing Ali. everybody he fought was just happy to compete against him and be in his presence.
    That man was greatness with a gift of gab and a good ole midwest accent

    chuuuuuch!!!!!!

    KTULU IS BACK wrote: »
    Jack Johnson was taught how to box by a Jewish man.

    ? ?
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  • bossdon201
    bossdon201 Members Posts: 900 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    KTULU IS BACK wrote: »
    Jack Johnson was taught how to box by a Black Jewish man.

    * *fixed* *
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  • cobbland
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    Roy Jones.

    He can beat everyone SRR fought.
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