SMH- Obama done messed up BAD!!!!!

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qtipp73
qtipp73 Members Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2011 in The Social Lounge
They gonna try and destroy his career over this Gaddafi ? . When and I mean when they "accidently" ? Gadaffi in Libya there will be world outrage towards the US for leading this so called defense of the Libyan people. All these white people here are gonna be calling to impeach Obama for violating the constitution and before u know it he will be out of office.

Anyone ever notice the US barely turned their heads towards the massacer of people in other African nations but all of a sudden we want to save people and be a global force for good. Neither Bush nor Clinton got gave a ? about any of that ? because it didnt involve the US.

Basically Obama fell for the okie-doke and his people convinced him this was a good idea. They gave him some rope and he will hang himself,just wait and see. And just for the record I ? with Obama and hoped he would be great, but it dont look so good for him right now.

What U think?
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  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The US would've been involved either way

    How many missions that involve NATO are we completely not involved in??

    The problem is, they should've waited until other countries stepped to plate first

    Anyhoo

    Every week there's some doom and gloom story about Obamas presidency

    A lot can happen in a year, who knows what the outcome will be
  • politicalthug202
    politicalthug202 Members Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭✭
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    qtipp73 wrote: »
    They gonna try and destroy his career over this Gaddafi ? . When and I mean when they "accidently" ? Gadaffi in Libya there will be world outrage towards the US for leading this so called defense of the Libyan people. All these white people here are gonna be calling to impeach Obama for violating the constitution and before u know it he will be out of office.

    Anyone ever notice the US barely turned their heads towards the massacer of people in other African nations but all of a sudden we want to save people and be a global force for good. Neither Bush nor Clinton got gave a ? about any of that ? because it didnt involve the US.

    Basically Obama fell for the okie-doke and his people convinced him this was a good idea. They gave him some rope and he will hang himself,just wait and see. And just for the record I ? with Obama and hoped he would be great, but it dont look so good for him right now.

    What U think?

    no it wont 90% of the world does not like khadaffi including most arab countries
    in the league of arab nation called for the no flyzone approach,and the united nations
    called for this to obama has alot of cover from the world community.
  • aijalon
    aijalon Members Posts: 919
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    Ain't so bad. He'll just go back to making bad "B" movies.
  • politicalthug202
    politicalthug202 Members Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭✭
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    haute wrote: »
    The US would've been involved either way

    How many missions that involve NATO are we completely not involved in??

    The problem is, they should've waited until other countries stepped to plate first

    Anyhoo

    Every week there's some doom and gloom story about Obamas presidency

    A lot can happen in year, who knows what the outcome will be

    other countries did step in first it was the FRENCH and BRitish who called for the no fly zone
    first. then once the arab league of nations cosigned,they gave obama the cover they need.
  • MICHAEL-V.I.
    MICHAEL-V.I. Members Posts: 1,898 ✭✭
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    I think you are a prisoner of the moment
  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    other countries did step in first it was the FRENCH and BRitish who called for the no fly zone
    first. then once the arab league of nations cosigned,they gave obama the cover they need.

    Of course they called for it

    But they ass didn't put in the muscle to make it happen

    Americans are tired of playing captain save a ? every time Europe starts crying

    He should've let France bust they guns for once
  • Lorenzo de Medici
    Lorenzo de Medici Members Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2011
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    1. Obama waited for more intel to come out before acting.
    2. He built a proper coalition. China and Russia could've vetoed if they wanted to, but they did not.
    3. The action is supported by the Arab League.
    4. The action has blind supports in the Arab world in addition to the Arab League.


    Sorry sir, but there is very little blow back to occur from this. If anything, it's creating a perfect storm for him.

    In 2007, Bush ordered the surge in Iraq, because insurgents began to rub the spiritual leaders the wrong way. They used this to their advantage, received ample intel from the leaders who were once housing insurgents and had easily the best year of the war. This is a similar situation.

    Many Iraqi insurgents were Libyan nationals. Those same insurgents are not in Libya fighting as rebels. These same people who were killing American soldiers are now cheering for American jets. Now, I'm not saying this is gonna make 'em all sing kumbaya and eat smores around the fire with us, but to think that there isn't any strategic advantage to be gained from this is stupid.
  • ceothachosen1
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  • Lorenzo de Medici
    Lorenzo de Medici Members Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭
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    haute wrote: »
    The US would've been involved either way

    How many missions that involve NATO are we completely not involved in??

    The problem is, they should've waited until other countries stepped to plate first

    Anyhoo

    Every week there's some doom and gloom story about Obamas presidency

    A lot can happen in a year, who knows what the outcome will be

    They did though. The US was not the lead in this. France was. France recognized the rebels as the legitimate rulers of Libya before anyone else did.

    For real, if you want good coverage, try to watch BBC America, or read foreign news papers online. American news is all American-centered when it's far from the case in this situation.
  • aijalon
    aijalon Members Posts: 919
    edited March 2011
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    ? obama


    For Emphasis.........................
  • jackthemack
    jackthemack Members Posts: 11,491 ✭✭✭
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    BBC is the only news I watch.
  • ineedpussy
    ineedpussy Members Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ? obama

    .........................................
  • ineedpussy
    ineedpussy Members Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    BBC is the only news I watch.

    this too. what up ? . when can i come lounge at the crib?
  • Lorenzo de Medici
    Lorenzo de Medici Members Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭
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    drtycity wrote: »
    this too. what up ? . when can i come lounge at the crib?

    niggadates on the IC?
  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    They did though. The US was not the lead in this. France was. France recognized the rebels as the legitimate rulers of Libya before anyone else did.

    For real, if you want good coverage, try to watch BBC America, or read foreign news papers online. American news is all American-centered when it's far from the case in this situation.
    I do

    And BBC reported us troops on the 1st and French on the 19th

    France may have shown concerned first, but that not what is concerning Americans

    It's the fact that we are first to arrive

    Every time

    And it's pretty obvious that this more than necessary

    But if you follow politics you perception is everything

    And the issue has nothing to do with wether Obama is right or wrong
  • aijalon
    aijalon Members Posts: 919
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    Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 7:35am

    I think that Fidel remembered something that many others spend a lifetime trying to forget. Fidel Castro: "Communist" "Dictator" "Vile Human Being". Remembered that man's worse enemy is himself. In his wisdom he protected his people from themselves. As best as he could. I saw him speak in 1999. He walked into a loud room and there was silence. His presence alone demands your attention. A dictator, a communist.. commanded the attention of a room filled with young idealists.. few of whom shared his beliefs but still yet awed at a man who had made the world stand still. A man who now made us all stand still. He spoke and we listened...we had no choice but to listen. Not because there were guns held to our temples or the threat of families meeting unpleasant ends. But because when he spoke you just listened.

    Like many world leaders Fidel had spoken his praise for then presidential candidate Barack Obama. Like many he was in awe of a man that was supposedly taking this country into a new era. The media dubbed it "The endorsement that no candidate wants" Why... After all who wants to be endorsed by a dictator? He praised Candidate Obama for being less warlike than the feisty McCain.

    A few days following the Election of Mr. Obama Fidel spoke again. This time choosing words that were more thought out and less hopeful "many dream that with the simple change of command in the leadership of the empire, it will be more tolerant and less bellicose." But, he went on, "It would highly naive to believe that the good intentions of one intelligent person could change what centuries of interests and selfishness have created. Human history shows another thing."

    Emotion makes fool of men. My wife complains that I can be a cold person. Emotion led me to the brink of an affair, emotion clouded my judgment when instead of being a good "? " I decided to defy the orders of the police. Emotion led many to the polls. Not in record numbers as was predicted, but all the same, in numbers. New voters, young voters, black voters...motivated voters all seeking the evasive "CHANGE".

    Maybe like Me Fidel took a moment to watch the most significant moment of this election year: A victory speech. And like those 9 years ago I stood still.. still to listen to the words of a man who could change the world. Because whether you like him or not... Capitalist or socialist... Atheist or Christian... There can be no denying that Fidel has left an indelible mark on the world. So I listened, just as Fidel must have. To a wonderful speech overflowing with tireless rhetoric until finally the President elect delivered a subtle yet significant message: “And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of our world - our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down - we will defeat you.”

    Like me Fidel must have cringed, understanding the true implications of this message. I will continue with the same imperialist agenda that was laid down by the forefathers. The agenda that is the foundation of this nation, yes I am a new leader and what some may call “The first BLACK” President but know now that our destiny is to be a global hegemon and I will continue with that agenda. And they clapped… change had finally come. It had ridden in on the wings of an Angel… YES WE CAN.

    Refer to date. I've been saying ? A Black President From the Start
  • politicalthug202
    politicalthug202 Members Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭✭
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    haute wrote: »
    Of course they called for it

    But they ass didn't put in the muscle to make it happen

    Americans are tired of playing captain save a ? every time Europe starts crying

    He should've let France bust they guns for once



    the french fighter jets are over there wilding out
    blowing up kadaffi cribs,but the U.S has to lift a heavy load
    because besides China we are the only country who has a big enough
    military and technology to really do the 1st phase of a no fly-zone
    because all the other 1st world countries have been spending money on social programs
    and they just cant ramp it up overn nite. the arabs could help out more with all that oil money
    them mother ? have only sent 4 jets so far
  • Lorenzo de Medici
    Lorenzo de Medici Members Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭
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    haute wrote: »
    I do

    And BBC reported us troops on the 1st and French on the 19th

    France may have shown concerned first, but that not what is concerning Americans

    It's the fact that we are first to arrive

    Every time

    And it's pretty obvious that this more than necessary

    But if you follow politics you perception is everything

    And the issue has nothing to do with wether Obama is right or wrong

    Then someone lied to you. Earliest military action we had was placing aircraft carriers off the coast of Libya. Like the UK and France did. I'm not defending Obama, but what's being posted in here isn't true.
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    niggadates on the IC?

    Lmao @ that ? wanting to smang it..

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  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Then someone lied to you. Earliest military action we had was placing aircraft carriers off the coast of Libya. Like the UK and France did. I'm not defending Obama, but what's being posted in here isn't true.

    So the BBC be lying now

    Oh ok

    *shrugs*
  • qtipp73
    qtipp73 Members Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I guess u guys missed my point. I am saying where the ? was the US when Africans were victims of genocide years before this Libya mess started. The US led NATO and UN aint do ? when Bush and Clinton were in office cause

    they knew the backlash they would face. They want Obama to stick his neck out and when ? goes bad they will look at him like"how did this go wrong"? and shift any blame of the aftermath towards him.
  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    qtipp73 wrote: »
    I guess u guys missed my point. I am saying where the ? was the US when Africans were victims of genocide years before this Libya mess started. The US led NATO and UN aint do ? when Bush and Clinton were in office cause

    they knew the backlash they would face. They want Obama to stick his neck out and when ? goes bad they will look at him like"how did this go wrong"? and shift any blame of the aftermath towards him.
    Dear gawd

    Those were different times with different variables with presidents with different agendas

    And I can't imagine the ? storm Obama would really face, if any type mass genocide happened while the US simply watched on

    What's going on in the middle east is different from Rwanda

    And no before you jump to conclusions, I'm not saying Clinton or bush were right for not sending any support
  • politicalthug202
    politicalthug202 Members Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭✭
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    qtipp73 wrote: »
    I guess u guys missed my point. I am saying where the ? was the US when Africans were victims of genocide years before this Libya mess started. The US led NATO and UN aint do ? when Bush and Clinton were in office cause

    they knew the backlash they would face. They want Obama to stick his neck out and when ? goes bad they will look at him like"how did this go wrong"? and shift any blame of the aftermath towards him.

    The reason why the U.S did nothing in rwanda was because of the whole bosnia situation
    and plus the U.N was really divided about the situation unlike libya where the world consensus
    is that kadafi has to go. the reason why the U.S aint do ? in the Sudan is because of the chinese
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    haute wrote: »
    Dear gawd

    Those were different times with different variables with presidents with different agendas

    And I can't imagine the ? storm Obama would really face, if any type mass genocide happened while the US simply watched on

    What's going on in the middle east is different from Rwanda

    And no before you jump to conclusions, I'm not saying Clinton or bush were right for not sending any support

    Also countries like that it would have to be a long term commitment you dont just go in their guns blazing and not have a long term strategy.You have to occupy The "coalition of the willing" and the US are not going to do tha there sadly. INTEREST.

    theres some many more complexities in Rwanda and other countries its a damn free for all.
  • DRO
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    BBC is the only news I watch.

    ...that's the ONLY unbiased news station.....