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think
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edited April 2011 in The Social Lounge
And if so, will it be in our lifetime? The way things are looking, we are headed towards bankruptcy. What's the point in even going to school to study?
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  • ckfree
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    probably not

    these corporations will disregard anything/anybody in the search for profits. So even if the economy ever does turn around, with these companies getting used to running on less staff; I can see that being the standard workforce procedure

    and then there's the automation ?
  • I Self Lord & Master
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    well, jobs have been coming back. Sad thing is that they have mostly been ? . The replacements thus far have been retail and telecommunications for the most part. Lol, ? is getting real
  • kingblaze84
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    America is dying a bad bad death right now for a lot of people. Debts, inflation rising like a ? , and America's obsession with blowing ? up overseas while Americans need help here is out of control. Here's a really sad article I just read awhile ago.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-america-becoming-the-land-of-the-part-time-job-most-of-the-jobs-that-are-being-created-are-part-time-jobs-and-some-companies-are-going-to-a-part-time-only-policy/comment-page-1#comments

    Is America Becoming The Land Of The Part-Time Job?: Most Of The Jobs That Are Being Created Are Part-Time Jobs And Some Companies Are Going To A “Part-Time Only Policy”


    Do you need a good job? If so, there are millions of other Americans that are just like you. Unfortunately, most of the jobs that are available in America today are either part-time jobs, temp jobs or are "independent contractor" jobs. The "full-time job with benefits" is a dying breed. There are so many desperate unemployed workers in America today that companies don't have to roll out the red carpet anymore. Instead, they can just hire a horde of inexpensive part-timers and temps that they don't have to give any benefits to. But isn't the employment situation supposed to be getting better? No, it really is not. Yes, the U.S. economy added 216,000 jobs in March. However, the truth is that approximately 290,000 part-time jobs were created and about 80,000 full-time jobs were actually lost. This is all part of a long-term trend in America. Good jobs are rapidly disappearing and they are being replaced by low paying service jobs that do not pay a living wage. In many American households today, both parents have multiple jobs. Yet a large percentage of those same households can't even pay the mortgage and are drowning in debt.

    Whenever a new government jobs report comes out from now on, try to find out how many of the jobs that were created were actually part-time jobs. Most Americans that only have part-time jobs are living around or below the poverty line. The truth is that it is really hard to get by if you are only making a couple hundred bucks a week.

    As mentioned above, the U.S. economy added 216,000 jobs last month. The Obama administration and the mainstream media heralded that figure as evidence that the U.S. economy is recovering nicely.

    But is that really accurate?

    Rebel Cole, a professor at DePaul University's Kellstadt Graduate School of Business, says that when you take the time to do a closer examination of the employment numbers they don't look so good....

    "If you look deeper in the report, there were 290,000 new part-time workers, which means that there were 80,000 fewer full-time workers, that's not a good sign. Things are getting worse, not getting better."

    Unless you are a teen or a college student or a retired person, most likely you would prefer to be working a full-time job. Most people do not actually have the goal of working part-time. Most part-time jobs pay very poorly and offer very few benefits.

    Unfortunately, that is why so many big companies like part-time workers and temp workers. There are so many more rules, regulations and laws that pertain to full-time workers.

    Hiring a bunch of part-time workers is so much easier and so much cheaper. Without a doubt it is definitely more profitable in most situations.

    Today, there are millions of Americans that have part-time jobs that would love to have full-time jobs. In fact, the government says that there are about 8 million Americans that are currently working part-time jobs for "economic reasons".

    One such worker named "John" recently left a comment on another article I did entitled "How To Find A Job: Just Be Willing To Flip Burgers And Work For Minimum Wage". John says that the restaurant chain that he works for has implemented a "part-time only policy"....

    “Could your family survive on $505 a week?”

    If only I could make HALF that much! The ? secret is McDonalds needs to add 50,000 workers to increase the headcount in every store. The goal is to have no full-time employees who qualify for health benefits. So these 50,000 jobs will pay $174 a week BEFORE taxes, and have no benefits, no vacation days, no holidays off, call in sick and get fired, but they will have 52 mandatory weekends each year.

    And how do I know this? I work for a national restaurant chain that already has gone to a part-time only policy. I am scheduled for 23 hours next week. The threshold for benefits is 26 hrs.

    Of course I would assume that there are perhaps a couple of full-time workers at the restaurant that John works at (such as the manager). But the reality is that we are seeing this kind of thing more and more around the nation. Companies are being careful to keep hours low enough so that the majority of their employees do not qualify for expensive "full-time benefits".

    Another commenter on that same article said that it is possible to get by on a low wage but that doesn't mean that it is easy....

    I make about $400 a week; my wife nothing. Rent is $500 a month. Credit card bills (run up back when I made about $1200/week) run about $200 a month. Other expenses run us another few hundred dollars. We quit tv. We’re a litte cold. We eat ok. Try to fill the gas tank just once a month. We’re getting by, but able to save nothing, nor do we go out and have fun. Well, fun has become walks on Saturday morning. Those are free. And, as we’ve learned, rather nice.

    $10 an hour stinks, but it is livable if you don’t mind admitting that you are poor. I know I’m poor now. It’s just the way it is. If I tried to keep living as i did when I was a middle class manager, I’d be extremely unhappy. I cant say I’m happy about being poor, but my wife and i are finding that happiness isn’t about having “stuff.”

    This is the new "American Dream" for millions of American families. They are learning to scratch and claw to get by on what they have.

    As I have written about previously, the standard of living of the middle class is being pushed down to third world levels. We have been merged into a "global labor pool", and what that means is that the standard of living of all workers all over the world is going to be slowly equalized over time.

    Translation: your standard of living and the standard of living of virtually everyone that you know is slated to go way down.

    Right now America is rapidly losing high paying jobs and they are being replaced by low paying jobs. According to a recent report from the National Employment Law Project, higher wage industries accounted for 40 percent of the job losses over the past 12 months but only 14 percent of the job growth. Lower wage industries accounted for just 23 percent of the job losses over the past 12 months and a whopping 49 percent of the job growth.

    So yes, jobs are being created, but most of them are jobs that none of us would really want under normal circumstances.

    Unfortunately, times are not normal and millions of desperate people are having to take whatever they can get.

    What makes things even worse is that really bad inflation is coming. There are less good jobs for American families and at the same time the cost of basic necessities is going up.

    Have you been to the gas pump lately?

    As I wrote about yesterday, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States is now $3.70.

    A year ago it was just $2.83.

    For average American families on a tight budget that is a huge difference.

    Food inflation is already here as well.

    During the month of February, the price of food in the U.S. increased at the fastest rate in 36 years.

    Are you starting to understand why so many American families are feeling squeezed right now?

    Times are tough and they are going to get tougher. If you still have a good full-time job you should be very thankful, because there are millions and millions of people that would love to trade places with you.

    ----America seems to be ? . My brother hasn't had a good paying job in a year now, and he has 5 years of computer technical service. ? tells me everything I need to know.
  • And Step
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    No.

    The old model of get a job, work and retire is gone. The Global economy is in full effect. Companies are moving production and service jobs elsewhere.

    Once American business community ceased to rely on manufacturing and production, they basically ceded that the economy as we knew it was gone.

    This started generations ago. It is not Barak's fault. He just came in at the wrong time. So instead of looking at the US companies who sold out and the politicians who allowed them to do it, angry whites like Heyslick who have lost the ability to see past their nose, called Paul Mooney at 1-800-BLAME A ? to solve their problem.
  • And Step
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    heyslick wrote: »
    from the article above


    As I wrote about yesterday, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States is now $3.70.

    A year ago it was just $2.83.



    I just paid $4.05 yesterday....more than likely it will be 4.07-4.09 today? When will this administration get-it and stop trying to destroy America.? Yeah this NWO is really working for us...you gotta spread that wealth around,brother. The summer time blues is for real.

    Actually the countries who spread the wealth around do have cheaper prices. Venezuela pays 12 cents a gallon. Egypt 65 cents. Russia 2.00 dollars .

    I didn't know the US government set gas prices? DO you know that they are paying 6 dollars in the UK? 6.50 in the Netherlands?

    Oil traders set the gas prices so high because they know people like you will pay it. They also know your are intellectually lazy and will blame the President, well... because he is Black. SO they get all of the profits and none of the blame.

    Got to tip your hat to whitey.........he is a bad dude.........
  • Alkindus
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    LOL I guess only a revolution tunisia style can save america now

    next step social democracy, I mean atleast people still got jobs here in Holland, Germany etc and the future looks bright, in the US there always seems to be a to big of a gab between the rich and poor, college/uni's etc, thats why you ? 's are turning broke right now and only gettin minimum '3rd world' type of jobs back in the states: your highly educated is wise enough to move abroad(brain drian stilo), the other 90% dont have high education etc

    the states is done for. Come move to Holland, yes you will pay 1.70 euro per liter, almost half of your income is going to the government, but you will not have bad credit, you will get the very best education in the world, live in a decent house and make some serious cash regardless,there are more than enough jobs(especially with all the people retiring here etc), you'll get ur benz cheap across the german border. You could always go back to the states on holidays, its cheap when you are a dutch citizen;)

    edit: healthcare I forgot about the brilliant healthcare avaliable for all citizens :), if you dont want to do it for yourself, think about your kids, give them the garantue of high education,healthcare and such instead of growing up in gun torn, broke azz, 2nd world turnin 3rd world nation the states. The US is very much like Indonesia right now, yes you got some beautifull urban cities, but the land is still overloaded with ? up neighborhoods and a whole lot of other things that have no place in the so called first world.

    so go Dutch;)

    or German, Swedish, Spanish you could even go British or French nowadays lol
  • Alkindus
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    heyslick wrote: »
    Yeah I can see Americans really jumping on your standing invitation....well some will given your country's lenient drug policies.

    Regular €1.559 / litre CDN$2.43 / litre US$9.14 / gallon

    lol they will regret not taking it when the dollar implodes on their azzez and the US turns into mayhem with all those racist teaparty mofos slingin with guns and arent down for anything rational anymore and start 'taking their country back'

    face it, the upcoming economic crisis will break the states. move while you still can lol
  • Jonas.dini
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    Concerns about the dollar in the short to mid term are mad overblown imo.

    And this is a jobless recovery, but that said there has been some improvement lately.
  • shootemwon
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    lol @ this not being Obama's fault because he inherited the mess.

    He intentionally did nothing to improve the situation. It's entirely his fault.
  • shootemwon
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    heyslick wrote: »
    WOW! the irony of it. I wish I had 10 bucks for every time I've heard so many say that Obama Is not at fault for the current situation in this country. So I show a little sarcasm and you come back and show your hypocrisy. LMAO!

    What hypocrisy? He didn't cause the problems but it's his own fault that he's failed to do anything about it.
  • think
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    Obama doing nothing and turning a blind eye to it is horrible. America needs to get its priorities straight.
  • Hyde Parke
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    [QUOTE=Alkindus;2405133

    the states is done for. Come move to Holland, yes you will pay 1.70 euro per liter, almost half of your income is going to the government, but you will not have bad credit, you will get the very best education in the world, live in a decent house and make some serious cash regardless,there are more than enough jobs(especially with all the people retiring here etc), you'll get ur benz cheap across the german border. You could always go back to the states on holidays, its cheap when you are a dutch citizen;)

    edit: healthcare I forgot about the brilliant healthcare avaliable for all citizens :), if you dont want to do it for yourself, think about your kids, give them the garantue of high education,healthcare and such instead of growing up in gun torn, broke azz, 2nd world turnin 3rd world nation the states. The US is very much like Indonesia right now, yes you got some beautifull urban cities, but the land is still overloaded with ? up neighborhoods and a whole lot of other things that have no place in the so called first world

    so go Dutch;)

    or German, Swedish, Spanish you could even go British or French nowadays lol[/QUOTE]




    thats an idea worth thinking on. how long have you lived there?

    @ the OP, i dont think things will go back to anywhere near what it was. America has a greed problem, and times like this, seems to make the greed grow stronger. Rich/Poor is the direction the county is going in.
  • janklow
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    Alkindus wrote: »
    Come move to Holland, yes you will pay 1.70 euro per liter-
    liters? ? that metric system ? . go AMERICA
  • kingblaze84
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    To anyone saying Obama has no blame in this.......you're dead wrong. Obama has done NOTHING to help the situation, ESPECIALLY when we're still fighting ? wars overseas with no end in sight. People are still being sent to Iraq, and we're gonna spend at least 2 billion dollars a week in Afghanistan for another 4 years. Obama caved in like a little ? on tax cuts for the rich, despite constantly campaigning against it.

    It's not Obama's fault entirely though, Reagan bankrupted the country along with GW Bush, but Obama LOOOOOOOOOVES his wars. So far in his presidency, we have spent over 200 billion dollars in Afghanistan, not including the costs of healing the injured vets. Than it turns into 300 billion.

    Why are we cutting teacher's jobs in Detroit and building schools in Kabul and Iraq? Whatever happened to America first? Don't get me started on Libya. Obama deserves blame on this job problem, not the whole blame, but a good percentage of it.
  • kingblaze84
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    And to those who think Europe is all fine and dandy, Britain is cutting back on spending and has a 10% unemployment rate. Spain has a 20% unemployment rate. Stagnant job growth is spread throughout many parts of Europe, although some nations like The Netherlands and Germany seem to be doing fine.

    Once my money gets right, if ever, I'm moving to the Caribbean. The cost of living there is low, and the weather is beautiful. My patriotism is vanishing with each year that passes.
  • kingblaze84
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    heyslick wrote: »
    I'm VERY surprised to see you talk like that. I was under the impression that ONLY white people thought and felt this way...IE I want my country back. I will say America is pretty much done for & the real crisis is just about to erupt come summer time.....peoples vacations won't be much cause gas prices are TO damn high....$5/6-7 bucks a gallon......HOLY TOLEDO!

    Oh NOOOOOOOO, I know plenty of Black people who want to get the ? out of this country. Most Black people I know are positive thinkers, but realistic as well, America is ? . Obama loves his wars too much to care about the avg American, and Republicans are even worse. Only 46% percent of Americans have a job right now......how is the future supposed to be bright with numbers like that?

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/14/shock-employment-figures-fewer-than-half-of-americans-have-jobs/

    Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

    The percentage of Americans who have jobs has fallen to the lowest point in three decades and now hovers just above 45 percent of the total population, according to an analysis of labor data published by USA Today.

    The report, based on figures provided by the Census and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, showed that at 36.7 percent, Mississippi had the lowest percentage of population working.

    Employment rates were also low in California and Arizona, where just over 37 percent had jobs. At 55.8 percent, North Dakota had the highest rate of employed residents.

    Overall, 45.4 percent of Americans were working, the lowest since 1983. Employment peaked at 49.3 percent in 2000.

    "The bad economy, an aging population and a plateau in women working are contributing to changes that pose serious challenges for financing the nation's social programs," the paper noted.

    The news comes at a time when Republican senators have unveiled a plan to raise the retirement age, which would force more Americans to search for jobs that just aren't there.

    Freshman tea party-backed Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Rand Paul (R-KY) -- along with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) -- have joined the call, seeking to raise the retirement age to 70 in the next 20 years.

    "If you talk to young people in America - they've already accepted this," Paul said Wednesday.

    USA Today featured an interactive chart showing every individual state's total employment figures.

    --The American Dream is dying, that's why my avy has the American flag dripping in blood. Democrats and Republicans care only about endless wars and helping the rich get richer. The middle class and working class just has to suck it up. Inflation is truly kicking us in the ass right now, but we still have money to increase funding for the Pentagon. Something is seriously wrong with this country right now. Something has been wrong for a long time now actually, but only this year have I truly felt the American Dream is dying. I'm seeing young people walking aimlessly around the streets with nothing to do, they should be working but all the jobs teenagers used to do are now being done by either illegals or old people!!! I've never seen so many old people work at Mcdonalds and Burger King, what the ? is going on? America ain't what it used to be, welcome to the 3rd world ya'll.
  • janklow
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    Oh NOOOOOOOO, I know plenty of Black people who want to get the ? out of this country.
    honestly, you probably know mostly people who want to complain about the US but not actually leave the US
  • think
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    46%? Wow, I bet it's even lower than that.
  • Shuffington
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    Alkindus wrote: »
    LOL I guess only a revolution tunisia style can save america now

    next step social democracy, I mean atleast people still got jobs here in Holland, Germany etc and the future looks bright, in the US there always seems to be a to big of a gab between the rich and poor, college/uni's etc, thats why you ? 's are turning broke right now and only gettin minimum '3rd world' type of jobs back in the states: your highly educated is wise enough to move abroad(brain drian stilo), the other 90% dont have high education etc

    the states is done for. Come move to Holland, yes you will pay 1.70 euro per liter, almost half of your income is going to the government, but you will not have bad credit, you will get the very best education in the world, live in a decent house and make some serious cash regardless,there are more than enough jobs(especially with all the people retiring here etc), you'll get ur benz cheap across the german border. You could always go back to the states on holidays, its cheap when you are a dutch citizen;)

    edit: healthcare I forgot about the brilliant healthcare avaliable for all citizens :), if you dont want to do it for yourself, think about your kids, give them the garantue of high education,healthcare and such instead of growing up in gun torn, broke azz, 2nd world turnin 3rd world nation the states. The US is very much like Indonesia right now, yes you got some beautifull urban cities, but the land is still overloaded with ? up neighborhoods and a whole lot of other things that have no place in the so called first world.

    so go Dutch;)

    or German, Swedish, Spanish you could even go British or French nowadays lol


    tempting
    plus the Netherlands rank high on the happiness index... Higher than the states....
    I gotta figure out this whole NBA situation though
  • think
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    To the ? saying move to Holland, can you give us a link to a site where we can look for jobs in Holland? Thanks.
  • And Step
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    heyslick wrote: »
    Yeah Senator/now President Obama is really playing both sides against the middle.


    Social Security is a socialist program.

    Medicare is a socialist program.

    College grants are socialist programs.

    If your old wrinkly self has partaken of any of the above mentioned then you have participated in socialist programs. We ask that you return all funds in keeping with your abhorring of all things socialist.
  • And Step
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    Alkindus wrote: »
    LOL I guess only a revolution tunisia style can save america now

    next step social democracy, I mean atleast people still got jobs here in Holland, Germany etc and the future looks bright, in the US there always seems to be a to big of a gab between the rich and poor, college/uni's etc, thats why you ? 's are turning broke right now and only gettin minimum '3rd world' type of jobs back in the states: your highly educated is wise enough to move abroad(brain drian stilo), the other 90% dont have high education etc

    the states is done for. Come move to Holland, yes you will pay 1.70 euro per liter, almost half of your income is going to the government, but you will not have bad credit, you will get the very best education in the world, live in a decent house and make some serious cash regardless,there are more than enough jobs(especially with all the people retiring here etc), you'll get ur benz cheap across the german border. You could always go back to the states on holidays, its cheap when you are a dutch citizen;)

    edit: healthcare I forgot about the brilliant healthcare avaliable for all citizens :), if you dont want to do it for yourself, think about your kids, give them the garantue of high education,healthcare and such instead of growing up in gun torn, broke azz, 2nd world turnin 3rd world nation the states. The US is very much like Indonesia right now, yes you got some beautifull urban cities, but the land is still overloaded with ? up neighborhoods and a whole lot of other things that have no place in the so called first world.

    so go Dutch;)

    or German, Swedish, Spanish you could even go British or French nowadays lol

    Eff Holland.

    Any country that wears wooden shoes doesn't deserve consideration.
  • kingblaze84
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/22/recent-graduates-moving-home_n_852730.html

    Recent Graduates Not Only Move Back Home, But Stay There

    Andrew Sum, an economist at Northeastern University, concedes that while “it’s better to be plus than minus, we’ve still got a really long way to go until we restore things back to the way they used to be.”

    Sum calls it the war against the young. Specifically, he's seen a record number of college graduates forced to move home.

    Using data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Sum reports that 12.8 million college graduates under the age of 30 are either unemployed, working part-time or working at a job that doesn’t require a college degree.

    Such jobs can make it difficult for young people to establish a steady stream of income -- to get the money required to not only move out of their parents' house, but stay out.

    Further, Sum finds that young adults without a college degree have been pushed out of the labor market entirely and are finding work at a lower rate than anytime since the end of World War II.

    “The kids not working today will have a difficult time working tomorrow,” concludes Sum. “The evidence is overwhelming.”

    Since moving back home last June, Moore has been unsuccessful in securing a full-time job. She works part-time as a teaching assistant at a nearby pre-school. Her mother is an in vitro technician; her father owns a small carpentry business.

    For others forced into a similar situation, Moore stresses that communication is key to making the living arrangement work as best it can.

    “Your parents might regress and start treating you like you’re back in high school because, well, you’re back in their house.” Moore also advises to save, not spend. “Just because you’re not paying rent, doesn’t mean it’s a good time to go shopping.”

    The financial burden of going to college has always been her own. Moore is carrying $45,000 in undergraduate student loans and another $5,000 of debt split between two credit cards. Each month, she puts $250 of her part-time paycheck toward paying each of them down.

    Moore wants to attend law school and someday run for political office. In the meantime, she is keen on first getting her own apartment.

    Recently, Moore set a new deadline for herself: Come August, her goal is to finally be out from under her parents’ roof.

    “I know they love me, but it’s time for me to go,” says Moore. “I just hope that I can.”
  • kingblaze84
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    70% of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track, an all time record.......America is sinking further and further into the abyss.
  • Jonas.dini
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    Obama is playing one side: the business class.

    Lol at americans who want to return to pre-GD capitalism (which ended disastrously, btw) and talk about it as the good old days. Unless you're like 90 years old you have no familiarity with those good old days, so why all the nostalgia?