Yeshua aka Jesus The Christ Son of ? discussion thread...

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  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    1. All those scriptures you posted declare the divinity of Jesus Christ because only ? can save.

    2. Here is one you forgot to mention.

    "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty ? , The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." Isaiah 9:6-7


    You believe that Jesus is ? ?

    Didnt Jesus say he was the Son of Man/ Son of ? ?

    Didnt Jesus say his Father was greater than he?
    Jesus said that only the Father knows when the end is?

    IF Jesus was ? and the Father wouldnt he have known the end?
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    That one scripture does not prove anything. Where is your precepts?
    If you only use that one scripture without further proof it can easily be taken out of its original context.

    Is Jesus the everlasting Father and what government did Jesus ever have while on Earth?

    Can you show me scriptures of Jesus being called Wonderful, Counselor, The Might ? ?

    You've already declared the divinity of Jesus Christ. The precepts are already posted. The problem is a lack of knowledge. Sounds like you've been blinded from the simplicity of the gospel message of Jesus Christ by the enemy. I pray for deliverance for you my friend. May the eyes of your understanding become enlightened through the teaching of the Holy Spirit. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.
  • waterproof
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    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    That one scripture does not prove anything. Where is your precepts?
    If you only use that one scripture without further proof it can easily be taken out of its original context.

    Is Jesus the everlasting Father and what government did Jesus ever have while on Earth?

    Can you show me scriptures of Jesus being called Wonderful, Counselor, The Might ? ?

    YAHUSHUA kingdom is that he will Rule the Earth after he come back and we fight along on his side to end the age of the gentiles, hence he is the KINGS OF KINGS because he will go and destroy those goverment that's run by Esau.

    but Isaiah 43:11-12
    I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no saviour. - This says it all.
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    1. You believe that Jesus is ? ?

    2. Didnt Jesus say he was the Son of Man/ Son of ? ?

    3. Didnt Jesus say his Father was greater than he?
    4. Jesus said that only the Father knows when the end is?

    5. IF Jesus was ? and the Father wouldnt he have known the end?

    1. I know He is.

    2. Jesus Christ has many titles and names, even a name that no one knows but He himself.

    3. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes.

    4. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes. But now He has ascended on high and all of His glory is restored unto Him.

    5. He does know the end. He is the glorified Christ who has all power.
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    waterproof wrote: »
    YAHUSHUA kingdom is that he will Rule the Earth after he come back and we fight along on his side to end the age of the gentiles, hence he is the KINGS OF KINGS because he will go and destroy those goverment that's run by Esau.

    but Isaiah 43:11-12
    I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no saviour. - This says it all.

    I understand what you are saying but I am looking for scripture proof to why the Most High does not mention Jesus as being next to him in the Old Testament?

    In Isaiah 43:11-12 the Most High says there is no Savior next to him.

    If there is no Savior next to YHWH then how does Jesus fit in?
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    1. I know He is.

    2. Jesus Christ has many titles and names, even a name that no one knows but He himself.

    3. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes.

    4. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes. But now He has ascended on high and all of His glory is restored unto Him.

    5. He does know the end. He is the glorified Christ who has all power.

    Can you breakdown all the scriptures in my FIRST post and show me where Jesus is it in those?
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    Where is your scripture from the Old Testament showing me why the Most High never mentions Jesus as being next to him? Please prove all things?

    I have not been blinded by anything because I never stated that I didn't have a belief in Jesus or the New Testament, you are just assuming.

    But there is one thing each time I come across these scriptures in the Old Testament and I show them to others that believe in Jesus they are UNABLE to breakdown those scriptures to why the Most High YHWH never mentions Jesus as our Savior in the Old Testament.

    So instead of proving my point you want to assume that I am blinded. Is saying that I am blinded proving that Jesus is our Savior?

    Show me precept upon precept proof to why the Most High never mentions Jesus in the Old Testament as someone NEXT to him please?

    1. The OT continually mentions the Lord Jesus Christ. It's right there in Genesis 1:1.

    2. If you can't believe Genesis 1:1 you won't believe anything else. So it's kind of pointless to post Genesis 1:26 if you can't even grasp Genesis 1:1

    3. I didn't assume anything. The scripture plainly tells us that If you don't believe Jesus Christ is ? your lost.

    4. If you would study to show yourself approved unto ? by studying the scriptures line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, you wouldn't be asking me milk related doctrine.
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    I understand what you are saying but I am looking for scripture proof to why the Most High does not mention Jesus as being next to him in the Old Testament?

    In Isaiah 43:11-12 the Most High says there is no Savior next to him.

    If there is no Savior next to YHWH then how does Jesus fit in?

    Because ? is the Savior and Jesus is ? .
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    Can you breakdown all the scriptures in my FIRST post and show me where Jesus is it in those?

    How do you want me to break them down? Every word is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the word made flesh. If you don't believe that well ? bless your soul.
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    1. The OT continually mentions the Lord Jesus Christ. It's right there in Genesis 1:1.

    2. If you can't believe Genesis 1:1 you won't believe anything else. So it's kind of pointless to post Genesis 1:26 if you can't even grasp Genesis 1:1

    3. I didn't assume anything. The scripture plainly tells us that If you don't believe Jesus Christ is ? your lost.

    4. If you would study to show yourself approved unto ? by studying the scriptures line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, you wouldn't be asking me milk related doctrine.

    I believe Genesis 1:1 but show me where it says Jesus?

    Isaiah 44:24
    Thus saith YHWH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the ? , I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    Because ? is the Savior and Jesus is ? .

    ? is the Savior, and Jesus is ? ?

    I have a scripture below from the New Testament saying that Jesus is the Savior?

    Why does the OT say only YHWH is the Savior and it does not also mention Jesus Christ?


    Philippians 3:20
    For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    How do you want me to break them down? Every word is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the word made flesh. If you don't believe that well ? bless your soul.

    See instead of showing yourself approved and presenting scripture as proof you are driven by emotion and fear as if you are scared to search for the truth. I never said I didnt believe in JC or the New Testament but I do want to address certain scriptures that the majority of ppl cannot breakdown.
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    I believe Genesis 1:1 but show me where it says Jesus?

    Isaiah 44:24
    Thus saith YHWH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the ? , I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

    The part that says ? my friend.
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    What ? is the Savior, and Jesus is ? ?

    I have a scripture below from the New Testament saying that Jesus is the Savior?

    Why does the OT say only YHWH is the Savior and it does not also mention Jesus Christ?


    Philippians 3:20
    For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

    "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a ? shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
    Isaiah 7:14

    Do you believe the above passage of scripture? Yes or No?
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    1. I know He is.

    2. Jesus Christ has many titles and names, even a name that no one knows but He himself.

    3. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes.

    4. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes. But now He has ascended on high and all of His glory is restored unto Him.

    5. He does know the end. He is the glorified Christ who has all power.

    The Song of Moses is meant SCRICTLY for these Latter Days in which we live today. If you have never read it I have posted it below.

    Read this and tell me why the Most High YHWH says he will provoke the Israelites to jelousy with strange gods and a foolish nation? Who is the strange ? that fulfilled Deuteronomy 28:64?

    Deuteronomy 32:1-52
    King James Version (KJV)
    Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
    My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
    Because I will publish the name of YHWH: ascribe ye greatness unto our ? .
    He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a ? of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
    They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
    Do ye thus requite YHWH, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
    Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
    When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
    For YHWH’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
    He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
    As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
    So YHWH alone did lead him, and there was no strange ? with him.
    He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;
    Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
    But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook ? which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
    They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
    They sacrificed unto devils, not to ? ; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
    Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten ? that formed thee.
    And when the YHWH saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
    And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
    They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not ? ; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
    I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
    24They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
    The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the ? , the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
    I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
    Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and YHWH hath not done all this.
    For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
    O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
    How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and YHWH had shut them up?
    For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
    For their vine is of the vine of ? , and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
    Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
    Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
    To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
    For YHWH shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
    And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
    Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
    See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no ? with me: I ? , and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
    For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
    If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
    I will make mine arrows ? with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
    Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
    And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.
    And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:
    And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
    For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

    And the YHWH spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
    Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
    And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
    Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
    Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011

    "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a ? shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
    Isaiah 7:14

    Do you believe the above passage of scripture? Yes or No?

    I believe the above passage bro but wasn't this SIGN given to Isaiah as stated below?

    Isaiah 8:18
    Behold, I and the children whom YHWH hath given me are for SIGNS and for WONDERS in Israel from YHWH of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    The Song of Moses is meant SCRICTLY for these Latter Days in which we live today. If you have never read it I have posted it below.

    Read this and tell me why the Most High YHWH says he will provoke the Israelites to jelousy with strange gods and a foolish nation? Who is the strange ? that fulfilled Deuteronomy 28:64?

    Deuteronomy 32:1-52
    King James Version (KJV)
    Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
    My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
    Because I will publish the name of YHWH: ascribe ye greatness unto our ? .
    He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a ? of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
    They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
    Do ye thus requite YHWH, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
    Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
    When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
    For YHWH’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
    He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
    As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
    So YHWH alone did lead him, and there was no strange ? with him.
    He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;
    Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
    But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook ? which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
    They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
    They sacrificed unto devils, not to ? ; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
    Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten ? that formed thee.
    And when the YHWH saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
    And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
    They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not ? ; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
    For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
    I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
    24They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
    The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the ? , the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
    I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
    Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and YHWH hath not done all this.
    For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
    O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
    How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and YHWH had shut them up?
    For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
    For their vine is of the vine of ? , and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
    Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
    Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
    To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
    For YHWH shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
    And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
    Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
    See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no ? with me: I ? , and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
    For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
    If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
    I will make mine arrows ? with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
    Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
    And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.
    And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:
    And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
    For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

    And the YHWH spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
    Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
    And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
    Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
    Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

    There is a lot of meat in there. Tasty too my friend. ? provoked Israel to jealousy because of their lack of faith in the truth. That same spirit of unbelief is widely present today as well. But the blindness that happened in part to Israel, was done so that the fullness of the gentiles could come in. Romans 11 breaks this down excellently.

    And the only strange ? that exists is the devil. There is only one ? and He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven Members Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    I believe the above passage bro but wasn't this SIGN given to Isaiah as stated below?

    Isaiah 8:18
    Behold, I and the children whom YHWH hath given me are for SIGNS and for WONDERS in Israel from YHWH of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

    The sign was given to the House of David which was declared in the previous verse. Here it is in context.

    "10Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, 11Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy ? ; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. 12But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my ? also? 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a ? shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. " Isaiah 7:10-16


    If you believe Isaiah 7:14 what do you have to say about the meaning of the name Immanuel?
  • judah7
    judah7 Banned Users Posts: 23
    edited August 2011
    There is a lot of meat in there. Tasty too my friend. ? provoked Israel to jealousy because of their lack of faith in the truth. That same spirit of unbelief is widely present today as well. But the blindness that happened in part to Israel, was done so that the fullness of the gentiles could come in. Romans 11 breaks this down excellently.

    And the only strange ? that exists is the devil. There is only one ? and He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

    There is only ONE ? and that is YHWH so how do you come up with Jesus when YHWH CONSTANTLY stresses in the OT that NOBODY is next to him?
    I would like for scriptual proof and not emotion please.

    Also are we under a New Covenant?
  • And Step
    And Step Members Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭
    edited August 2011

    4. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes. But now He has ascended on high and all of His glory is restored unto Him.

    Self defeating argument. If he was subject to anything then he could not have been ? . ? is independent if all things. He is described as Omnipotent, Self Sustaining and All knowing. Also how can you restore glory to ? ? The thing who restores would have to be the ? .
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    So your understanding is that the other gods of wood and stone we would serve was not Jesus or Allah but the devil?

    According to Isaiah 45:20 during the End Times people are still going to be practicing IDOLTRY by praying to some ? that represents WOOD. Is Jesus not represented by a WOODEN cross or is it the devil that represents wood?


    Deuteronomy 4:28
    And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

    Deuteronomy 28:36
    YHWH shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

    Deuteronomy 28:64
    And YHWH shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

    The scripture below is future END TIME PROPHECY out of the Old Testament. Keep in mind the wood supposedley represents the Christian wooden cross of Jesus.

    Isaiah 45:20

    Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a ? that cannot save.

    Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no ? else beside me; a just ? and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

    Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am YHWH, and there is none else.


    Drop it on him...... That Pauline Roman Catholic Christian Doctrine got a hold of the minds of the Hebrews
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    edited August 2011
    1. I know He is.

    2. Jesus Christ has many titles and names, even a name that no one knows but He himself.

    3. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes.

    4. While on earth and subject to the Father's will doing those things that always pleased Him, yes. But now He has ascended on high and all of His glory is restored unto Him.

    5. He does know the end. He is the glorified Christ who has all power.

    this is wrong point blank period you're lying on 'Isa! (a.s.)

    "No one knows when that day or hour will come. Even the angels in heaven and the Son don't know. Only the Father knows.

    Matthew 24:36

    which of you are telling the truth you or your "? "?
  • young-king
    young-king Members Posts: 424
    edited August 2011
    HIS SON is in the OT

    Genesis 49

    10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

    septtre represents power rulership n king... HE is the king of kings lord of lords
    it is evident that OUR lord sprang out of judah
    HE will gather the tares from the wheat n the goats from the sheep

    11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
    represents all the blood that HE is going to spill when HE gets back

    12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
    HIS eyes were as a flame of fire
    one of the main things people talk about is that HE turned water to wine
    HE likes to drink and was called a wine bibber
    ete etc etc
  • judahxulu
    judahxulu Members Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    judah7 wrote: »
    I understand this scripture but show me other scriptures in the OT on why the Most High never mentions Jesus Christ is being next to him or a Savior?

    If Jesus Christ is also our Savior then why does the Most High constantly stress that he alone is our Savior and not anyone else.

    Do you know why or is it easier to ignore?

    Look at all those scriptures in my very first post and tell me what reason the Most High would have to constantly stress the point that he is ALONE?

    Dont even waste your time with him, bruh. He's a willfully ignorant Christian Ufologist with pseudo-Hebrew lingo.
  • young-king
    young-king Members Posts: 424
    edited August 2011
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Dont even waste your time with him, bruh. He's a willfully ignorant Christian Ufologist with pseudo-Hebrew lingo.

    Dont even waste your time with him, bruh. He's a willfully ignorant illegal israeli hostage mc young flava impersonator with a kufi instead of clock.



    lets not even go there homeboy... i continually dodge n avoid u cats with diff doctrines like the bible says to do... mark them that cause division and AVOID them! so stay your azz in lala land n i stay my azz in this real TRUTH ok