Lets compare stats/players in the NBA in the 1990's vs the 2000's.
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »Kobe is better than Jordan. Jordan had stacked teams and ? wanna act like jordan did it alone cuz he scored so many points. Thing is he didn't have to, he's just a ballhog. He played in the 90's which just might be the weakest era for guards. He got dpoy because he didn't have to guard anybody. Its easy to shut down danny ainge, dan majerle, vinny del ? , hornacek, reggie miller, etc.
Jordan played in the weakest era wit no comp. Look at the 1st ballot HOFers in his era besides him. Scottie Pippen, Dominique Wilkins, and clyde drexler. 3 other ? on the wing are 1st ballot and none of em played his position and 1 of em was on his team. ? didn't guard ANYBODY that was good. The 2nd best SG in the 90's was Mitch Richmond.
I just realized yesterday that kobe is better. After lebron wins 2 playoff series they got scottie ready to crown this ? the greatest all time and he has no rings. How you gone do that in this era when Kobe snatched up 5 rings? Its all ESPN/Nike hype.
The players from the 1990's played against wacker competition. Thoughts?
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No sign back then was more physical they were actually allowed to hand check scoring is easier now
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Scoring was easier back then? The 2003-2006 pistons set NBA defensive records for holding opponents to scoring lows. And in this era they allow zone defenses.Throwed Off Axel wrote: »No sign back then was more physical they were actually allowed to hand check scoring is easier now
On top of that, the handchecking was stopped the year before Jordan returned to the NBA. So explain to me how it was harder for him. -
2000's is better at everything except C. But to say Kobe is better just because he faced better competetion is stupid. CP3 is facing more comp at the PG then magic every did
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touch fouls were not called back then....whats easily a flagrant and suspension now...ddint even warrant a technical back then
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If you feel that CP3 is better than Magic just say it. I dont have a problem wit it.Mvpbrodie93 wrote: »2000's is better at everything except C. But to say Kobe is better just because he faced better competetion is stupid. CP3 is facing more comp at the PG then magic every did -
Handchecking was stopped in '95. Why do you think Jordan lived on the FT line?copperkid27 wrote: »touch fouls were not called back then....whats easily a flagrant and suspension now...ddint even warrant a technical back then -
Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »If you feel that CP3 is better than Magic just say it. I dont have a problem wit it.
I think CP3 is better then magic because he's more skilled and has no flaws in his game, not because he has better competition at the One. -
I dont take issue with that. He also never had stacked teams like Magic did either. So id say he's done more with less.Mvpbrodie93 wrote: »I think CP3 is better then magic because he's more skilled and has no flaws in his game, not because he has better competition at the One. -
Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »Handchecking was stopped in '95. Why do you think Jordan lived on the FT line?
and players dont live at the freethrow line today?? most of jordans highest scoring games were during the handchecking years... -
he ever dropped 81 against a zone defense or average 40ppg in a month?copperkid27 wrote: »and players dont live at the freethrow line today?? most of jordans highest scoring games were during the handchecking years... -
Defense is way better today, but there were zone defenses in the 90's. It's documented
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sCoo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »he ever dropped 81 against a zone defense or average 40ppg in a month?
In that case Wilt is the GOAT by ur standards. I guess you dont know that zone defenses are vulnerable to 3 point shooting -
No he is not, because he played in an era with ? competition. This era is the most competitive overall. Back then the NBA was just a dream. Nowadays everybody that can run fast and jump high has hoop dreams. Competition level is so high now that the NBA created a minor league system and implemented a rule where u cant come in directly from HS.s
In that case Wilt is the GOAT by ur standards -
Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »No he is not, because he played in an era with ? competition. This era is the most competitive overall. Back then the NBA was just a dream. Nowadays everybody that can run fast and jump high has hoop dreams. Competition level is so high now that the NBA created a minor league system and implemented a rule where u cant come in directly from HS.
Wilt faced Kareem and bill Russell among other HoF centers. -
First no disrespect everyone is titled to there opinion but what the hell are you two smoking don't ever put cp in the same convo as magic except saying that they both are pg's.. Now you can continue with your threadCoo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »I dont take issue with that. He also never had stacked teams like Magic did either. So id say he's done more with less. -
I wonder in 20 yrs yall are gonna say the same thing when some 2guard is dominating and say he's better than Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc.
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CP3 is a WAY better shooter then magic ever was... From all areas(3PT/Midrange/ and the line) while beig comparable as playmakers gotta give magic the edge. He's got better handles, turns it over less, plays FAR superior D, comparable scorer and can play in fast placed plus slower offenses, while being a master of the pick N role.hiphopest72 wrote: »First no disrespect everyone is titled to there opinion but what the hell are you two smoking don't ever put cp in the same convo as magic except saying that they both are pg's.. Now you can continue with your thread
CP3 is basically the perfect PG, no flaws in his game
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One more thing more with less ok here is the lakers 79/80 roster Take out Jabarr who got injured in the Finals that year and tell me Magic did not get it done with less as a rookie..shout out's to nixon,and coophiphopest72 wrote: »First no disrespect everyone is titled to there opinion but what the hell are you two smoking don't ever put cp in the same convo as magic except saying that they both are pg's.. Now you can continue with your thread
Brad Holland Guard 6'3" 220 lbs. Dec. 6, 1956 UCLA, 1979
Butch Lee Guard 6'0" 175 lbs. Dec. 5, 1956 Marquette, 1978
Magic Johnson Guard 6'9" 220 lbs. Aug. 14, 1959 Michigan State, 1979
Norm Nixon Guard 6'2" 175 lbs. Oct. 11, 1955 Duquesne, 1977
Oliver Mack Guard 6'3" 195 lbs. June 6, 1957 East Carolina, 1979
Ron Boone Guard 6'2" 193 lbs. Sept. 6, 1946 Idaho State, 1968
Michael Cooper Guard/Forward 6'7" 170 lbs. Apr. 15, 1956 New Mexico, 1978
Don Ford Forward 6'8" 215 lbs. Dec. 31, 1952 California-Santa Barbara, 1975
Jamaal Wilkes Forward 6'6" 190 lbs. May 2, 1953 UCLA, 1974
Kenny Carr Forward 6'7" 220 lbs. Aug. 15, 1955 North Carolina State, 1977
Mark Landsberger Forward 6'8" 225 lbs. May 21, 1955 Arizona State, 1977
Marty Byrnes Forward 6'7" 220 lbs. Apr. 30, 1956 Syracuse, 1978
Spencer Haywood Forward 6'9" 225 lbs. Apr. 22, 1949 Detroit, 1971
Jim Chones Center 6'11" 220 lbs. Nov. 30, 1949 Marquette, 1972
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center 7'2" 267 lbs. Aug. 16, 1947 UCLA, 1969 -
Pre free agency, salary capped eras, where teams were stacked wit 5 or 6 HOFers.Mvpbrodie93 wrote: »Wilt faced Kareem and bill Russell among other HoF centers. -
Cmon your showing your age young fellaMvpbrodie93 wrote: »CP3 is a WAY better shooter then magic ever was... From all areas(3PT/Midrange/ and the line) while beig comparable as playmakers gotta give magic the edge. He's got better handles, turns it over less, plays FAR superior D, comparable scorer and can play in fast placed plus slower offenses, while being a master of the pick N role.
CP3 is basically the perfect PG, no flaws in his game
(waits for magic has 5 rings tho!!!!!!!!)
Magic shot 52% for his career cp is at 46% even if cp plays another 7 years he will never have more reb magic has over 6,500,almost 140 triple doubles over 11 ast per game not for a couple of season for his career.. Lets continue waits for magic has 5 rings you dont have to wait here you go...5× NBA Champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1987, 1989–1990)
12× NBA All-Star (1980, 1982–1992)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1980, 1982, 1987)
9× All-NBA First Team (1983–1991)
All-NBA Second Team (1982)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1980)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1990, 1992)
Also not only did he get 5 rings but Dammit he went to finals 9 times bro..you can't be serious -
Lol at using fg% to indicate shooting ability, by that logic Stockton was a better shooter then CP3. The rest is just accolades and rings collected playing with stacked lakers rosters.....hiphopest72 wrote: »Cmon your showing your age young fella
Magic shot 52% for his career cp is at 46% even if cp plays another 7 years he will never have more reb magic has over 6,500,almost 140 triple doubles over 11 ast per game not for a couple of season for his career.. Lets continue waits for magic has 5 rings you dont have to wait here you go...5× NBA Champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1987, 1989–1990)
12× NBA All-Star (1980, 1982–1992)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1980, 1982, 1987)
9× All-NBA First Team (1983–1991)
All-NBA Second Team (1982)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1980)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1990, 1992)
Also not only did he get 5 rings but Dammit he went to finals 9 times bro..you can't be serious -
Mvpbrodie93 wrote: »Lol at using fg% to indicate shooting ability, by that logic Stockton was a better shooter then CP3. The rest is just accolades and rings collected playing with stacked lakers rosters.....
That's your reply son and to think i thought i was in for a good debate. To help you out take out the 5 rings argument. Stat's for stats cp will most likely not see Magic in any thing other than steals congrats on that. Is he even sniffing the first team once let alone 9 times in a league with Kobe,Bron,Wade ,Durant and so one will he see a mvp trophy let alone 3 I don't think so,look take nothing from cp he is a great player and will go down as one the greatest and i hope he brings his talents to LA next season but you can't put him in there with magic without someone excusing you for a crackhead..Your titled to your opinion but your wrong on this one youngin -
copperkid27 wrote: »touch fouls were not called back then....whats easily a flagrant and suspension now...ddint even warrant a technical back then
lol
Its like watching your favorite childhood tv show when you were a kid then going back years later and watching it again and realizing....? is trash -
sht Rondo is a career 48% *shooter*
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »Handchecking was stopped in '95. Why do you think Jordan lived on the FT line?
Youre a ? liar
2004-05
• New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game.
2006-07..this is from NBA .com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRR3Jx8RvoI
