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Last Of My Kind wrote: »I really hope your were being sarcastic brah, you cant see why they would lie or mislead us(WMDS anyone? Thats just one provable example)
Bombing his country relentlessly wow I wonder how many innocent ppl died cause of it, imagine if NATO bombed your town trying to ? 1 person and it took that long to ? him, think ? .
Edit:Nevermind
lied to us- no, we all knew he was lying, well everyone in the know did, aka real American Patriarchs
people always coming down on the US for bombing cats like Saddam and Gaddafi, but why those ? always act like they're for their people, yet their countries make billions and billions off oil, yet most of the people in the country live like they're in 100 B.C.
yet their leaders are living it up like the people of the free world
people would tend to argue its poor people here, yeah but in this day in age its by choice, is their corruption in our government-yes, but corruption will exist wherever the opportunity presents itself
only difference here, in American, you at least have the option to get in the game if you wanted -
stillmatic_01 wrote: »co-sign 100%
Even though I'm Ghanaian.....
but to keep it 100
Nkrumah was a hypocrite. He talked Garveyism/Pan-Africanism but he married an Egyptian-Arab woman.
He talked Pro-Blackness but invited that half breed mulatto W.E.B. DuBois to Ghana. (DuBois opposed Pan-Africanism early on and was also criticial of Marcus Garvey's ideology and plans, he also compared Garvey to a primate)
Haile Selassie was another half breed feudal emperor who maintained an unofficial class system in his country and suppressed the culture and language of ethnic minorities like the Oromo. He was also weak regardless of what modern day Ethiopians would have you believe....He ran to the UN when the Italians (who were the weakest of the colonial empires) waged war on him. He also adopted 40+ White-Armenian children.
Pan-Africanism didn't work then, and it won't work now or in the future. In my opinion every country just needs to work on themselves instead of believing in these fantasies.
Rasta will disagree. H.I.M Haliee Selassie!!! -
Last Of My Kind wrote: »
Sorry its a youtube video, we all know theres nothing real on there besides ass shaking videos ya know, nobody EVER posts anything that can be useful info
and how could any American support this ? , why would we want him to create the de or whatever its called and destroy the American dollar
also they were gonna force us to buy oil at whatever price they wanted to charge, unless you're a child of Gaddafi- why would anyone support that ? -
mrsoutcity wrote: »
You actually believe what you just said?
The funny thing is that they went and attacked him without a declaration of war under the guise of a humanitarian effort, but Ghaddafi was actually calming down. He was more of a "vile dictator" in the 70s & 80s. He offered to dismantle his WMDs to the UN in 1999 but nobody paid him any attention until after the US invaded Iraq for "WMDs".
As far as your comment is concerned, the US govt has trained and financed many paramilitary groups to take down various govts - I.E. Bay Of Pigs. The United States even trained and sold weapons to Osama Bin Laden. If anything our presidents are exactly like Ghaddafi.
If the US cared anything about humanitarianism and spreading democracy to the poor and unfortunate then the US would have invaded Cuba decades ago, before the many exoduses made by hundreds of thousands of native Cubans. The US didn't invade Cuba, they didn't invade Tunisia, they didn't invade Egypt, they didn't invade Iran (a member of the "axis of evil"), but they did invade a much calmer Libya.
SMH @ Ghaddafi being such a vile dictator when his country has the highest standard of living in Africa. So much for the AU & The United States of Africa switching to the Gold Dinar. -
copperkid27 wrote: »I read somewhere that our CIA gave ghaddafi names of defectors so he can carry out assasinations like he was known to do...
Also read that he supported mandela during aparthied and that education and medical treatment availablilty was improved during his time
Oh yeah, and this too ^^^^
He not only got names from his opposition from the US intelligence officials, but at least one of the "rebels" was interrogated by the CIA years prior to the "revolt". -
Last Of My Kind wrote: »I really hope your were being sarcastic brah, you cant see why they would lie or mislead us(WMDS anyone? Thats just one provable example)
Bombing his country relentlessly wow I wonder how many innocent ppl died cause of it, imagine if NATO bombed your town trying to ? 1 person and it took that long to ? him, think ? .
Edit:Nevermind
listen brother,
if you can't trust the governments of the west in their wisedom to remind this threat to America,
that's on you!
This article right here says it all on how things will turn out for the people of Libyia aswell as the UN now that Gaddafi is gone:
Sharia law declaration in new Libya
http://news.yahoo.com/sharia-law-declaration-raises-concerns-libya-174347939.html
The announcement that Islamic sharia law will be the basis of legislation in newly liberated Libya has raised concerns, especially among women, despite Islamists insisting moderation will prevail.
Interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil said on Sunday, during his speech to the nation in Benghazi to formally declare the country's liberation from the ousted regime of Moammer Kadhafi, that sharia would be Libya's principal law.
"Any law that violates sharia is null and void legally," he said, citing as an example the law on marriage passed during the slain dictator's 42-year tenure that imposed restrictions on polygamy, which is permitted in Islam.
"The law of divorce and marriage... This law is contrary to sharia and it is stopped," Abdel Jalil said.
His comments have provoked criticism and calls for restraint both in Libya and in Europe, amid fears that the Arab Spring may give rise to a potentially intolerant Islamist resurgence.
Many Libyans awaiting Sunday's historic speech expressed surprise at the decision by the National Transitional Council leader to mention the role of sharia law in the new country before addressing such important issues as security and education.
"It's shocking and insulting to state, after thousands of Libyans have paid for freedom with their lives, that the priority of the new leadership is to allow men to marry in secret," said Rim, 40, a Libyan feminist who requested anonymity. -
I actually read your comment wrong.JokerzWyld wrote: »The funny thing is that they went and attacked him without a declaration of war under the guise of a humanitarian effort, but Ghaddafi was actually calming down. He was more of a "vile dictator" in the 70s & 80s. He offered to dismantle his WMDs to the UN in 1999 but nobody paid him any attention until after the US invaded Iraq for "WMDs".
As far as your comment is concerned, the US govt has trained and financed many paramilitary groups to take down various govts - I.E. Bay Of Pigs. The United States even trained and sold weapons to Osama Bin Laden. If anything our presidents are exactly like Ghaddafi.
If the US cared anything about humanitarianism and spreading democracy to the poor and unfortunate then the US would have invaded Cuba decades ago, before the many exoduses made by hundreds of thousands of native Cubans. The US didn't invade Cuba, they didn't invade Tunisia, they didn't invade Egypt, they didn't invade Iran (a member of the "axis of evil"), but they did invade a much calmer Libya.
SMH @ Ghaddafi being such a vile dictator when his country has the highest standard of living in Africa. So much for the AU & The United States of Africa switching to the Gold Dinar. -
Dude had enough money hidden to give every libyan 30k, but instead choose to treat them like ? . he started off with noble goals probably, but like any other dictator he got to feeling himself. Halfway educated ? will just randomly believe some ? because its a youtube vid sayin something.
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stillmatic_01 wrote: »co-sign 100%
Even though I'm Ghanaian.....
but to keep it 100
Nkrumah was a hypocrite. He talked Garveyism/Pan-Africanism but he married an Egyptian-Arab woman.
He talked Pro-Blackness but invited that half breed mulatto W.E.B. DuBois to Ghana. (DuBois opposed Pan-Africanism early on and was also criticial of Marcus Garvey's ideology and plans, he also compared Garvey to a primate)
Haile Selassie was another half breed feudal emperor who maintained an unofficial class system in his country and suppressed the culture and language of ethnic minorities like the Oromo. He was also weak regardless of what modern day Ethiopians would have you believe....He ran to the UN when the Italians (who were the weakest of the colonial empires) waged war on him. He also adopted 40+ White-Armenian children.
Pan-Africanism didn't work then, and it won't work now or in the future. In my opinion every country just needs to work on themselves instead of believing in these fantasies.
lol @ "half breeds" -
Last Of My Kind wrote: »SMGDH This ? is a true savage
Look at how fat she got. This broad has gotta be almost 200 lbs by now. -
well now that they are ....free .....of Gadhafi, we all will see a change for the Libyan people as well as the rest of the world as this article points out:
Islamic law for Libya:
http://theweek.com/article/index/220677/islamic-law-for-libya-will-we-end-up-missing-gadhafi
The head of Libya's transitional government, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, announced on Sunday that post-Gadhafi Libya will be structured according to Sharia law. "We are an Islamic state," he told a crowd in Benghazi.
He then lifted a ban on polygamy, and declared that the charging of interest on loans would be forbidden, in accordance with Sharia. Jalil had said before that Islamic traditions would be respected in the new Libya, but his latest pronouncement was more radical than expected. -
how come the queen of england aint considered a dictator? and how come the us presidency aint been considered a dictatorship? for 200 and something years on up until jesse jackson we only had one choice to vote for - WHITE!!!
this is probably the dumbest post in here. the queen of england has NO power, shes a figure head lol. Why you think we were up under tony blairs nuts when we were trying to get another country to go into Iraq. And you answered your own question about our country, we VOTED these people in. SMH, at least be smart if you tryin to sound smart. -
and how could any American support this ? , why would we want him to create the de or whatever its called and destroy the American dollar
also they were gonna force us to buy oil at whatever price they wanted to charge, unless you're a child of Gaddafi- why would anyone support that ?
That was my thoughts, being an Australian, I tend to believe I'm ridin with you guys (Americans) and the Canadians, pretty much the Commonwealth and a few European countries who are dooooown, so ? anythin and everythin that takes away from my (our) nice standard of living and riiiiiiide on whoever about too try.... #ignoranceisbliss
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Dude had enough money hidden to give every libyan 30k, but instead choose to treat them like ? . he started off with noble goals probably, but like any other dictator he got to feeling himself. Halfway educated ? will just randomly believe some ? because its a youtube vid sayin something.
Actually most Libyans were living financially better than the average American. Aside from getting killed for questioning the gov they had very liberal laws compared to other countries in the Middle East. If the conditions were that bad do you think they would have imported so many immigrant workers from all over the world? I think some Libyans just got tired of Ghaddafi spending money all over Africa when the average Libyan could be living like a Saudi prince. -
Dude had enough money hidden to give every libyan 30k, but instead choose to treat them like ? . he started off with noble goals probably, but like any other dictator he got to feeling himself. Halfway educated ? will just randomly believe some ? because its a youtube vid sayin something.
EXACTLY!!!
The UN would not have acted against Gaddafi without good intention.
And the new leaders of Libya will show they have intersting goas and plans l for the Libyan people and their US allies.
? just need to chill and trust their government more right?
Cuz the future definitely look bright with the regime in charge now -
because you didn't have the movement that we just had in 2011 rise to a head like it had this year.OK but why all of a sudden now he needed to go? If he been getting down like that all along why wasnt he removed a long time ago?
look at what you're saying: that Egypt, who had a leader seen as being at the beck and call of the West, and Libya, whose leader is seen as a long-standing enemy of the West, were replaced for the same reason. now that's just illogical. but hey, the former got into power because people flipped out and assassinated his predecessor. it happens.
you've got countries in the same region with similar situations (disgruntled populations under autocrats) getting inspiration from each other. it's not like every uprising has been successful: Iran, Bahrain, now Syria.
that explains why NATO invaded Iran and Syria. oh wait...poindexter2 wrote: »Its now to the point where nothing can be done to reverse whats happening to the middle eastern countries. The rothchild's personal army nato cant and wont be ? with unless africa unites.
two things:kingblaze84 wrote: »This whole thing is politics and oil bro, nothing more. We didn't take out Gadafi to protect civilians, the west took him out so NATO could get easier access to its oil and also to prevent Gadafi from further spreading his influence in Africa and the Middle East.
01. i'm not sure what the issue with "access to Libya's oil" supposed is. Libya sold a fair amount of oil to Europe;
02. the thing about Gaddafi's influence in the Middle East is that he angrily switched from attention paid to one to the other because his influence wasn't actually that great.
and surely Russia, an oil exporter, NEEDED that oil. also, i am not sure you know what "genocide" means.Last Of My Kind wrote: »A few weeks before Libya was invaded, Gaddafi had decided to sell his oil to only Russia, China and India.
...except for the part where we didn't train OBL or his Arabs and we didn't sell them weapons. but let's keep repeating this inaccuracy, i guess.JokerzWyld wrote: »The United States even trained and sold weapons to Osama Bin Laden.
also funny in that i guarantee you object to any US invasion in the name of the things you mention. however, the US did not "invade" Libya, so there's that as well.JokerzWyld wrote: »If the US cared anything about humanitarianism and spreading democracy to the poor and unfortunate then the US would have invaded Cuba decades ago, before the many exoduses made by hundreds of thousands of native Cubans. The US didn't invade Cuba, they didn't invade Tunisia, they didn't invade Egypt, they didn't invade Iran (a member of the "axis of evil"), but they did invade a much calmer Libya. -
I'm sure some you would agree with level of this brutelity Gaddafi affected on his people, he indeed had to go!
Just look at this list!
1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $750 billion – now frozen globally
Great Man-Made River project in Libya… $27 billion
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
sickening! -
well now that they are ....free .....of Gadhafi, we all will see a change for the Libyan people as well as the rest of the world as this article points out:
Islamic law for Libya:
http://theweek.com/article/index/220677/islamic-law-for-libya-will-we-end-up-missing-gadhafi
The head of Libya's transitional government, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, announced on Sunday that post-Gadhafi Libya will be structured according to Sharia law. "We are an Islamic state," he told a crowd in Benghazi.
He then lifted a ban on polygamy, and declared that the charging of interest on loans would be forbidden, in accordance with Sharia. Jalil had said before that Islamic traditions would be respected in the new Libya, but his latest pronouncement was more radical than expected.
LOL I hope America and the west enjoy this..........America will be missing Gadafi very shortly. -
I'm sure some you would agree with level of this brutelity Gaddafi affected on his people, he indeed had to go!
Just look at this list!
1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $750 billion – now frozen globally
Great Man-Made River project in Libya… $27 billion
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
sickening!
I guess you're frustrated but your sarcasm isn't going to be noticed. Keep it simple. These people are really dumb....Like for real for real....They are not gonna understand you are being sarcastic...they wont even read all the letters to the words in your passage.....So chill son before they think you are really trying to praise what was done.
That video of Clintons fat ass shows whats inside that lady. She's talking about somebody she actually met in person. Thats acting like a ? sociopath....why is she so idignant about it. These motherfuckas is monsters.... -
because you didn't have the movement that we just had in 2011 rise to a head like it had this year.
look at what you're saying: that Egypt, who had a leader seen as being at the beck and call of the West, and Libya, whose leader is seen as a long-standing enemy of the West, were replaced for the same reason. now that's just illogical. but hey, the former got into power because people flipped out and assassinated his predecessor. it happens.
you've got countries in the same region with similar situations (disgruntled populations under autocrats) getting inspiration from each other. it's not like every uprising has been successful: Iran, Bahrain, now Syria.
that explains why NATO invaded Iran and Syria. oh wait...
two things:
01. i'm not sure what the issue with "access to Libya's oil" supposed is. Libya sold a fair amount of oil to Europe;
02. the thing about Gaddafi's influence in the Middle East is that he angrily switched from attention paid to one to the other because his influence wasn't actually that great.
and surely Russia, an oil exporter, NEEDED that oil. also, i am not sure you know what "genocide" means.
...except for the part where we didn't train OBL or his Arabs and we didn't sell them weapons. but let's keep repeating this inaccuracy, i guess.
also funny in that i guarantee you object to any US invasion in the name of the things you mention. however, the US did not "invade" Libya, so there's that as well.
Whatever you say. Read a book, or article, or watch some of Michael Moore's early films. But again those are merely EXAMPLES of similar behavior and policies by the US. -
Nkrumah was a hypocrite. He talked Garveyism/Pan-Africanism but he married an Egyptian-Arab woman.
I don't think it's hypocritical for a pan-Africanist to marry a non-African, pan-Africanism doesn't necessarily imply African (ethnic) nationalism. Pan-Africanists only advocate African unity but there's no conflict between intra-African unity and African-Arab unity, African-European unity, African-Indian unity etc. You can relate to different people on different grounds. It's hypocritical for Black Nationalists to marry non-Black people and Garvey himself made it clear that he opposed 'miscegenation'.He talked Pro-Blackness but invited that half breed mulatto W.E.B. DuBois to Ghana. (DuBois opposed Pan-Africanism early on and was also criticial of Marcus Garvey's ideology and plans, he also compared Garvey to a primate)
Hadn't his views changed toward the end of his life, when he emigrated to Ghana? Why is his being mixed relevant, he still had African ancestry.Pan-Africanism didn't work then, and it won't work now or in the future. In my opinion every country just needs to work on themselves instead of believing in these fantasies.
I don't think a literal United States of Africa would work anytime soon but pan-Africanism never 'failed' (as Marxism-Leninism, in Africa and elsewhere, did), I think of pan-Africanism as an attitude, more than anything. Black African governments should work together because they have similar interests and problems and can mutually benefit from forming closer alliances. Every border in sub-saharan Africa was arbitrarily carved out by Europeans colonialists (with the exception of Ethiopia which is still the result of European colonialism and, as you said, the dominant Amhara people have the same colonial status in regards to the other indigenous groups as the English did in Ghana or Zambia, and Liberia where the Americo-Liberian elite dominated the indigenous people in the same way that Europeans dominated Africans in other parts of SSA). Why should a Yoruba from Nigeria identify with an Igbo speaking Nigerian over another Yoruba from Benin? I understand why some Africans resent being lumped into the same category, since no one lumps Germans in with Italians or criticizes them for being 'tribalistic' when they don't identify as European first/foremost, but identifying as 'Ghanaian' or 'Congolese' makes less sense than identifying with the region as a whole, in my opinion. -
Actually Khaddafi taxed them 93% plus out of the 1.6 million a day oil barrels produced by Lybia... 1.1 million is produced by Lybia's national oil companies....thus meaning only 500k were claimed by outside companies...stillmatic_01 wrote: »did you know that Western oil companies were already operating in Libya?
did you know that Gaddaffi was trying to get the West more involved in Libya's oil sector? -
Elzo69Reloaded wrote: »Actually Khaddafi taxed them 93% plus out of the 1.6 million a day oil barrels produced by Lybia... 1.1 million is produced by Lybia's national oil companies....thus meaning only 500k were claimed by outside companies...
word....
and what will happen to the libyan people now?... with the weak and inexperience leadership that's in place now be able to stabilize the economy and political scene sooner rather than later?
will there be a true democracy or any resemblance of order in libya any time soon without the constant intervention of a third party?...
will outsiders eventually prop up a friendly dictatorship who will work in the interest of big oil rather than the people?....
libya is a country of tribes will a civil war ensue?
what will the rebels with guns roaming the streets do now?
what will happen to the rights of women and non muslims under this new islamic rule?
what will happen to blacks in libya? despite libya’s having a significant black population, no blacks are represented in its current transitional government. and the reports of instances of violence done against black immigrants/libyans by the rebels are growing...
what will happen to the entitlements such as free health care the libyan people enjoyed now?..
not an expert and i wasn't a big fan of dictators but seems to me like this revolt will not bring about anything much better, at least in the foreseeable future. its very difficult to replace a dictatorship with democracy, especially in the middle east, especially when you don't have to have some sort of infrastructure in place that would even slightly accommodate a democracy.... -
mrsoutcity wrote: »How is he any different from any of our Presidents?
of course someone would spit this ? ahistorical nonsense in the SL
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that explains why NATO invaded Iran and Syria. oh wait...
how do you do it janklow
your endurance is superhumankingblaze84 wrote: »LOL I hope America and the west enjoy this..........America will be missing Gadafi very shortly.
Why will they miss him? Are these new Islamic leaders gonna be worse about supporting terrorist attacks around the world than Gadaffi was? Because they got ALOT OF ? WORK TO DO if that's the case.
I could give a ? about that Sharia Law ? because I'm not some ? ? Tea Party Republican. Libyans wanna chop they daughters up w/ machetes for "dishonoring the family", they can go right the ? ahead. Ain't gonna be no invasion to save them ? . Matter of fact, whatever happened to your U.S invasion of Syria bruh? Last time I graced ya'll nigglets w/ my presence ya'll wouldn't shut the ? up about how the U.S invasion of Syria was imminent. Months later, I don't see "STOP THE US WAR IN SYRIA" on any left-wing sites. What happened? Ya'll had the whole world figured out so simple....."oh, the U.S said this country should stop slaughtering its ppl in their streets, therefore the U.S will invade them for oil like Iraq"......so simple.
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