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Swiffness!
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How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could ? millions

Disturbing evidence is mounting that something frightening is happening deep under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico—something far worse than the BP oil gusher.

Warnings were raised as long as a year before the Deepwater Horizon disaster that the area of seabed chosen by the BP geologists might be unstable, or worse, inherently dangerous.


What makes the location that Transocean chose potentially far riskier than other potential oil deposits located at other regions of the Gulf? It can be summed up with two words: methane gas.

The same methane that makes coal mining operations hazardous and leads to horrendous mining accidents deep under the earth also can present a high level of danger to certain oil exploration ventures.

Location of Deepwater Horizon oil rig was criticized

More than 12 months ago some geologists rang the warning bell that the Deepwater Horizon exploratory rig might have been erected directly over a huge underground reservoir of methane.

Documents from several years ago indicate that the subterranean geologic formation may contain the presence of a huge methane deposit.

None other than the engineer who helped lead the team to ? the Gulf oil fires set by Saddam Hussein to slow the advance of American troops has stated that a huge underground lake of methane gas—compressed by a pressure of 100,000 pounds per square inch (psi)—could be released by BP's drilling effort to obtain the oil deposit.

Current engineering technology cannot contain gas that is pressurized to 100,000 psi.

By some geologists' estimates the methane could be a massive 15 to 20 mile toxic and explosive bubble trapped for eons under the Gulf sea floor. In their opinion, the explosive destruction of the Deepwater Horizon wellhead was an accident just waiting to happen.

Yet the disaster that followed the loss of the rig pales by comparison to the apocalyptic disaster that may come.

A cascading catastrophe

According to worried geologists, the first signs that the methane may burst its way through the bottom of the ocean would be fissures or cracks appearing on the ocean floor near the damaged well head.

Evidence of fissures opening up on the seabed have been captured by the robotic submersibles working to repair and contain the ruptured well. Smaller, independent plumes have also appeared outside the nearby radius of the bore hole itself.

According to some geological experts, BP's operations set into motion a series of events that may be irreversible. Step-by-step the drilling team committed one error after another.


Congressmen Henry Waxman, D-CA, and Bart Stupak, D-MI, in a letter sent to BP CEO Tony Hayward, identified 5 missteps made by BP during the period culminating with the explosion.

Waxman, chair of the Congressional energy panel and Stupak, the head of the subcommittee on oversight and investigations, said, "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety."

The two Representatives also stated in the 14-page letter to Hayward that "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense."

Called by some insiders investigating the ongoing disaster a "perfect storm of catastrophe," the wellhead blew on the sea floor catapulting a stream of mud, oil and gas upwards at the speed of sound.

In describing the events—that transpired in a matter of seconds—they note that immediately following the rupture the borehole pipe's casing blew away exposing a straight line 8 miles deep for the pressurized gas to escape. The result was cavitation, an irregular pressure variance sometimes experience by deep diving vessels such as nuclear submarines. This cavitation created a supersonic bubble of explosive methane gas that resulted in a supersonic explosion killing 11 men and completely annihilating the drilling platform.

Death from the depths

With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish.

As horrible as that is, what would follow is an event so potentially horrific that it equals in its fury the Indonesian tsunami that killed more than 600,000, or the destruction of Pompeii by Mt. Vesuvius.


The ultimate Gulf disaster, however, would make even those historical horrors pale by comparison. If the huge methane bubble breaches the seabed, it will erupt with an explosive fury similar to that experienced during the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens in the Pacific Northwest. A gas gusher will surge upwards through miles of ancient sedimentary rock—layer after layer—past the oil reservoir. It will explode upwards propelled by 50 tons psi, burst through the cracks and fissures of the compromised sea floor, and rupture miles of ocean bottom with one titanic explosion.

The burgeoning methane gas cloud will surface, killing everything it touches, and set off a supersonic tsunami with the wave traveling somewhere between 400 to 600 miles per hour.


While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the fury of a supersonic wave towering 150 to 200 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine State only averages about 100 feet above sea level with much of the coastline and lowlands and swamps near zero elevation. [Elevation map] A supersonic tsunami would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia—a state with no Gulf coastline—would also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Loss of property is virtually incalculable and the days of the US position as the world's superpower would be literally gone in a flash...of detonating methane.

http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-? -millions/print

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  • BethlehemBill
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    there are always risks involved with drilling for oil. especially drilling deepwater wells. when you convince all of america to stop using gasoline to get around, then maybe we wont need to drill. let me know when that happens.
  • kingblaze84
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    there are always risks involved with drilling for oil. especially drilling deepwater wells. when you convince all of america to stop using gasoline to get around, then maybe we wont need to drill. let me know when that happens.

    You would agree though, that there should at least be a moratorium or pause on some oil rigs near the gulf, right?

    Or is it still Drill Baby Drill?
  • BethlehemBill
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    You would agree though, that there should at least be a moratorium or pause on some oil rigs near the gulf, right?

    Or is it still Drill Baby Drill?

    its still drill baby drill. BP cuts lots of corners. they always have, the blame lies with BP, Transocean, and the MMS. our own government approved the DWH to be drilled. what we need is stricter safety regulations. the moratorium that obama issued only applies to wells that have not been drilled yet. the question is, do we halt ALL wells, everywhere in the US and our waters, or only the ones that have yet to be finalized? the fact is obama is merely playing politics here. his moratorium is a joke. if he thinks safety regs are the issue (which I do), then suspend ALL oil rigs - not just the ones that havent gone started drilling yet. otherwise, this is just political posturing. obama will make a speech, with a stern face, claiming to want to stop all oil wells until they can prove that theyre safe. but what he actually does is different, his moratorium does not apply to existing wells.

    so we have obama doing the same thing he did on the stimulus package, and the troop surge in afghanistan. instead of doing what he believed was the right thing to do, he played politics and monitored the polls and acted in his own best interest. he issued a 800B stimulus when economic experts said it should have been 2-3T - so he could act like he was listening to the republicans. Mccrystal asked for 70,000 troops, Obama the ditherer sent 30,000. Not what his top general asked for, but enough to be able to say he did something so he could win votes back home. and once again, instead of addressing the real problem (our nation's dependency on oil, in case you didnt know) he will play politics. If you think we should stop drilling, then a "moratorium" isnt the answer. providing realistic alternatives to oil is the answer. not waiting 6 months to put fire extinguishers and life jackets on existing rigs.

    let me ask you a question, do you think america is ready to start riding bikes to work? because windmills arent the answer. the only way we can stop drilling is to start getting our energy elsewhere. but then again, I live in reality, where do you live?
  • kingblaze84
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    its still drill baby drill. BP cuts lots of corners. they always have, the blame lies with BP, Transocean, and the MMS. our own government approved the DWH to be drilled. what we need is stricter safety regulations. the moratorium that obama issued only applies to wells that have not been drilled yet. the question is, do we halt ALL wells, everywhere in the US and our waters, or only the ones that have yet to be finalized? the fact is obama is merely playing politics here. his moratorium is a joke. if he thinks safety regs are the issue (which I do), then suspend ALL oil rigs - not just the ones that havent gone started drilling yet. otherwise, this is just political posturing. obama will make a speech, with a stern face, claiming to want to stop all oil wells until they can prove that theyre safe. but what he actually does is different, his moratorium does not apply to existing wells.

    so we have obama doing the same thing he did on the stimulus package, and the troop surge in afghanistan. instead of doing what he believed was the right thing to do, he played politics and monitored the polls and acted in his own best interest. he issued a 800B stimulus when economic experts said it should have been 2-3T - so he could act like he was listening to the republicans. Mccrystal asked for 70,000 troops, Obama the ditherer sent 30,000. Not what his top general asked for, but enough to be able to say he did something so he could win votes back home. and once again, instead of addressing the real problem (our nation's dependency on oil, in case you didnt know) he will play politics. If you think we should stop drilling, then a "moratorium" isnt the answer. providing realistic alternatives to oil is the answer. not waiting 6 months to put fire extinguishers and life jackets on existing rigs.

    let me ask you a question, do you think america is ready to start riding bikes to work? because windmills arent the answer. the only way we can stop drilling is to start getting our energy elsewhere. but then again, I live in reality, where do you live?

    Suspending all oil rigs would be wise overall, but the economy would hurt too badly, especially during these times. However, new wells should be paused for the simple fact we still don't know what caused the Deep Horizon catastrophe that is going on now. New wells being paused is better than NO wells being paused. Obama's decision is not perfect, but suspending at least some of the drilling is wise and intelligent. Letting our oil rigs be used to full capacity now would be reckless and dangerous, some wells must be suspended now. Let's take our time and see what went wrong before going all out, full steam ahead on drilling.

    And Obama's stimulus package was just about right, anything in the 2 or 3 trillion dollar range would further bankrupt our already fragile deficit? Do you see what is going on in Europe, especially Greece???? They're in debt up to their receding hairline, debts DO matter, contrary to what ? "Sucking" Cheney said.

    Obama was wrong to send ANY more troops to the hell hole known as Afghanistan, he actually listened to Mc Reckless Crystal more than he should of. Mccrystal was a lousy ? general, whose plans for stabilizing Afghanistan were lame and pathetic. We definitely won't agree on this issue, but if you want to debate me on this, we can. It's pretty easy to state why the war in Afghanistan is now a sham war that has zero purpose now. The Taliban control most of Afghanistan, why do you think we are PAYING so many drug lords there to not attack our convoys? The war is a JOKE, as well as the longest war in American history. We have hospitals shutting down, and schools that are laying off teachers, let's spend our money on Americans who won't bomb us with IEDS. The Afghans hate us now, and with GREAT reasons. If we truly want to prevent another 911, how about we bring more of our troops home to defend us HERE?

    As far as oil and its importance to our economy, you and I agree. Drilling is necessary.....but some of it should be on pause for awhile. Obama is very wise to pause some of the drilling, even if it may hurt our economy for awhile. What if another oil spill occurs on the new rigs??? WTF would you say than??????
  • kingblaze84
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    Swiffness! wrote: »
    How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could ? millions

    Disturbing evidence is mounting that something frightening is happening deep under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico—something far worse than the BP oil gusher.

    Warnings were raised as long as a year before the Deepwater Horizon disaster that the area of seabed chosen by the BP geologists might be unstable, or worse, inherently dangerous.


    What makes the location that Transocean chose potentially far riskier than other potential oil deposits located at other regions of the Gulf? It can be summed up with two words: methane gas.

    The same methane that makes coal mining operations hazardous and leads to horrendous mining accidents deep under the earth also can present a high level of danger to certain oil exploration ventures.

    Location of Deepwater Horizon oil rig was criticized

    More than 12 months ago some geologists rang the warning bell that the Deepwater Horizon exploratory rig might have been erected directly over a huge underground reservoir of methane.

    Documents from several years ago indicate that the subterranean geologic formation may contain the presence of a huge methane deposit.

    None other than the engineer who helped lead the team to ? the Gulf oil fires set by Saddam Hussein to slow the advance of American troops has stated that a huge underground lake of methane gas—compressed by a pressure of 100,000 pounds per square inch (psi)—could be released by BP's drilling effort to obtain the oil deposit.

    Current engineering technology cannot contain gas that is pressurized to 100,000 psi.

    By some geologists' estimates the methane could be a massive 15 to 20 mile toxic and explosive bubble trapped for eons under the Gulf sea floor. In their opinion, the explosive destruction of the Deepwater Horizon wellhead was an accident just waiting to happen.

    Yet the disaster that followed the loss of the rig pales by comparison to the apocalyptic disaster that may come.

    A cascading catastrophe

    According to worried geologists, the first signs that the methane may burst its way through the bottom of the ocean would be fissures or cracks appearing on the ocean floor near the damaged well head.

    Evidence of fissures opening up on the seabed have been captured by the robotic submersibles working to repair and contain the ruptured well. Smaller, independent plumes have also appeared outside the nearby radius of the bore hole itself.

    According to some geological experts, BP's operations set into motion a series of events that may be irreversible. Step-by-step the drilling team committed one error after another.


    Congressmen Henry Waxman, D-CA, and Bart Stupak, D-MI, in a letter sent to BP CEO Tony Hayward, identified 5 missteps made by BP during the period culminating with the explosion.

    Waxman, chair of the Congressional energy panel and Stupak, the head of the subcommittee on oversight and investigations, said, "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety."

    The two Representatives also stated in the 14-page letter to Hayward that "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense."

    Called by some insiders investigating the ongoing disaster a "perfect storm of catastrophe," the wellhead blew on the sea floor catapulting a stream of mud, oil and gas upwards at the speed of sound.

    In describing the events—that transpired in a matter of seconds—they note that immediately following the rupture the borehole pipe's casing blew away exposing a straight line 8 miles deep for the pressurized gas to escape. The result was cavitation, an irregular pressure variance sometimes experience by deep diving vessels such as nuclear submarines. This cavitation created a supersonic bubble of explosive methane gas that resulted in a supersonic explosion killing 11 men and completely annihilating the drilling platform.

    Death from the depths

    With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish.

    As horrible as that is, what would follow is an event so potentially horrific that it equals in its fury the Indonesian tsunami that killed more than 600,000, or the destruction of Pompeii by Mt. Vesuvius.


    The ultimate Gulf disaster, however, would make even those historical horrors pale by comparison. If the huge methane bubble breaches the seabed, it will erupt with an explosive fury similar to that experienced during the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens in the Pacific Northwest. A gas gusher will surge upwards through miles of ancient sedimentary rock—layer after layer—past the oil reservoir. It will explode upwards propelled by 50 tons psi, burst through the cracks and fissures of the compromised sea floor, and rupture miles of ocean bottom with one titanic explosion.

    The burgeoning methane gas cloud will surface, killing everything it touches, and set off a supersonic tsunami with the wave traveling somewhere between 400 to 600 miles per hour.


    While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the fury of a supersonic wave towering 150 to 200 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine State only averages about 100 feet above sea level with much of the coastline and lowlands and swamps near zero elevation. [Elevation map] A supersonic tsunami would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia—a state with no Gulf coastline—would also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

    Loss of property is virtually incalculable and the days of the US position as the world's superpower would be literally gone in a flash...of detonating methane.

    http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-? -millions/print

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    DoUwant2go2Heaven?, why don't you lead us in prayer.........

    ***Sarah Palin voice***

    Damn that half breed nig9er Obama!!!! This is all Obama's fault!!!! He's cursed the USA by being anti-Israel!!! Doesn't he know those who stand against Israel will be cursed??!!! That ? will curse those who shake down BP???!!!

    Damn you Obama!!!! Damn you Niiiiggggggggggerrrrrrrrrrr
  • BethlehemBill
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    Suspending all oil rigs would be wise overall, but the economy would hurt too badly, especially during these times. However, new wells should be paused for the simple fact we still don't know what caused the Deep Horizon catastrophe that is going on now. New wells being paused is better than NO wells being paused. Obama's decision is not perfect, but suspending at least some of the drilling is wise and intelligent. Letting our oil rigs be used to full capacity now would be reckless and dangerous, some wells must be suspended now. Let's take our time and see what went wrong before going all out, full steam ahead on drilling.

    And Obama's stimulus package was just about right, anything in the 2 or 3 trillion dollar range would further bankrupt our already fragile deficit? Do you see what is going on in Europe, especially Greece???? They're in debt up to their receding hairline, debts DO matter, contrary to what ? "Sucking" Cheney said.

    Obama was wrong to send ANY more troops to the hell hole known as Afghanistan, he actually listened to Mc Reckless Crystal more than he should of. Mccrystal was a lousy ? general, whose plans for stabilizing Afghanistan were lame and pathetic. We definitely won't agree on this issue, but if you want to debate me on this, we can. It's pretty easy to state why the war in Afghanistan is now a sham war that has zero purpose now. The Taliban control most of Afghanistan, why do you think we are PAYING so many drug lords there to not attack our convoys? The war is a JOKE, as well as the longest war in American history. We have hospitals shutting down, and schools that are laying off teachers, let's spend our money on Americans who won't bomb us with IEDS. The Afghans hate us now, and with GREAT reasons. If we truly want to prevent another 911, how about we bring more of our troops home to defend us HERE?

    As far as oil and its importance to our economy, you and I agree. Drilling is necessary.....but some of it should be on pause for awhile. Obama is very wise to pause some of the drilling, even if it may hurt our economy for awhile. What if another oil spill occurs on the new rigs??? WTF would you say than??????

    i'd say the same thing i said for the DWH. its tragic, unfortunate, and a disaster. so the company responsible, BP, will have to clean up the entire mess (that is if they can stop the oil from flowing first), and then pay for all lost wages, lost jobs, and any other damages that they may have caused. i don't align with the GOP in thinking that BP is the victim. they cut corners (and actually have a long history of safety violations) and they really screwed up. i would even go so far as to say criminal negligence and would like to see people go to jail over it. same thing if it happens again. the bottom line is that drilling for oil will always be risky and dangerous. we shouldnt even be drilling that far out in the oceans but the environmentalist nutjobs have had too much say in things. we have plenty of land to drill in alaska, and even off shore but not as far out as the DWH was. unfortunately, the health and well being of the red speckled toad has been placed about the health and well being of our country.

    the reason I say that this moratorium is pointless, is because we still have all of our other wells operating at full capacity. what if one of them blows up? safety regulations have been in place for a long time, but when the gov doesnt enforce them, theyre useless anyway. and between clinton, GW, and obama, all of their administrations have been in bed with big oil so this is not a new problem. also, things like this will always happen. every once in a while a power plant melts down (i grew up near three mile island in pennsylvania, also see chernobyl), chemical plants blow up. oil rigs exploded. this ? happens and its an inherent risk in the process no matter what regulations are in place.

    so its like i said, either we start riding our bikes to work, buying only hybrid cars, and erecting millions of windmills, or we continue to drill. we can have a million regulations in place but the oil companies will still cut corners. and we will still look the other way because we are addicted to oil and will not stop using it any time soon. finally, even the governors of louisiana and mississippi have said they oppose banning off shore drilling and its their states being the most affected. they know that the oil companies put 60,000+ people to work each day. obama hasnt done any thing to help reduce unemployment (it went from 8 to 10% since he took office) and is incapable of creating new jobs. so for him to go out of his way to put others out of work is a travesty
  • DB Cooper
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    jesus christ the guy with the pe and 2pac avy is trying to drop knowledge
    didnt see that one coming