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Are Jay-Z and Nas responsible for the current state of hip-hop

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  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    hlf wrote: »
    Well since they put out 1561818 albums, your right not all of it.

    thats the point hater. master p had the freedom to put out as many records as he wanted. p said he could drop a record when ever he wanted and put as many tracks on it as he pleased. he didnt need jimmy iovines blessing. can diddy, 50, nas or any of these other commercialized ass niggas say that? i think not.

    if niggas wouldnt spend so much time hating maybe they could learn from each other instead of trying to tear each other down. instead of learning from business men percy miller niggas is so full of envy they would rather tear him down, settle for 10-15 points and let whites/jews who couldnt rap a dr. seus book get 85%-90% of the money. crab ass niggas. smh at niggas crabbing on mlk day
  • And_So_It_BurnsAnd_So_It_Burns Posts: 921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    damn homie who the fuck are you to take shots at no limit and cash money. master p built a company like no other in the history of the rap game before or since. p had complete control and ownership of no limit. when everyone else has happy to get a production deal with a major and taking upfront cash p took the longterm view, turned down upfront bonuses, and had 100% control of no limit records. while niggas like puff was washing andre harrell's car and happy to be arista/clive davis hip hop nigga child p stood on his own and pocketed every dime that no limit ever made. he had a pure distribution deal and no white man touched a dime of master p's money.

    i cant understand these fake ass east coast hip hop purist ass niggas who talk shit about cash money records and ride gay-z and diddy's dick like these corny ass comericialized ass niggas didnt spend a decade plus rapping about cars hoes and clothes. fucking hatin ass hypocrites. smh
    U mad?
    Master P gave a lane for wack ass artist to make noise and started the general decline of hip hop.
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  • idoitforhiphop10idoitforhiphop10 Posts: 5,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    Wild Self wrote: »
    2004, right? That was the last year that The East Coast made noise. That was right after Jay retired and everyone tried to get the King of NY, back when it mattered.

    Nas
    Ghostface
    Fab
    Jada
    Cam Ron
    Jim Jones
    Cormega
    Banks
    50
    Ma$e
    Ja Rule (lol)

    all them dudes battled it out for the crown, 50 took advantage of it and divided NY Hip Hop, and the South completely taken over in Summer 2005 with Jeezy.

    Also don't forget how Fat Joe/Terror Squad had everybody in the summer of '04 goin crzy wit Lean Back
    Fav Rappers No order:

    Schoolboy Q
    Joey Bada$$
    J. Cole
    Ab-Soul
    Lupe Fiasco
    Kendrick Lamar
    Chance The Rapper
    Big K.R.I.T.
  • StewStew Rap Music Is My Religion HTTRPosts: 52,208 Regulator
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    thats the point hater. master p had the freedom to put out as many records as he wanted. p said he could drop a record when ever he wanted and put as many tracks on it as he pleased. he didnt need jimmy iovines blessing. can diddy, 50, nas or any of these other commercialized ass niggas say that? i think not.

    if niggas wouldnt spend so much time hating maybe they could learn from each other instead of trying to tear each other down. instead of learning from business men percy miller niggas is so full of envy they would rather tear him down, settle for 10-15 points and let whites/jews who couldnt rap a dr. seus book get 85%-90% of the money. crab ass niggas. smh at niggas crabbing on mlk day

    I hate the Cowboys and Yankees not No Limit. There music was simply not appealing to me.
  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    Also don't forget how Fat Joe/Terror Squad had everybody in the summer of '04 goin crzy wit Lean Back

    That too. Those were the times when that transitional phase made dudes act outta pocket.
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    U mad?
    Master P gave a lane for wack ass artist to make noise and started the general decline of hip hop.

    the whole puff daddy/gay-z jiggy era killed hip-hop. they made it safe for commercial ass niggas to feel free to say nothing. they purposely made corporate white ppl approved music and were paid handsomely to the ssafe negroes. after seeing the firestorm that pac caused and how gimmickyand superficial these commercial jiggy niggas like gay-z and puff was corporations lined to pay them niggas to sell out. all them corny ass jiggy niggas rapped about was clubs, clothes, hoes, and champagne. after that any cultural relevence in hip hop was as dead as pac.
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    hlf wrote: »
    I hate the Cowboys and Yankees not No Limit. There music was simply not appealing to me.

    i hate the patriots, celtics, and bad boy records. big was the only relevent artist puff ever had. the rest of them niggas was commericialized, corny, white ppl approved bullshit. the lox was the only other decent group but they had to start a street petition to leave that bullshit factory. gay-z and his camp wasnt much better
  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    the whole puff daddy/gay-z jiggy era killed hip-hop. they made it safe for commercial ass niggas to feel free to say nothing. they purposely made corporate white ppl approved music and were paid handsomely to the ssafe negroes. after seeing the firestorm that pac caused and how gimmickyand superficial these commercial jiggy niggas like gay-z and puff was corporations lined to pay them niggas to sell out. all them corny ass jiggy niggas rapped about was clubs, clothes, hoes, and champagne. after that any cultural relevence in hip hop was as dead as pac.

    Trust me, there was a lot of gangsta shit going on back then as well. DMX was making millions while barking like a dog n making tracks that make today's trap rappers look soft. I said before that Kanye basically opened the floodgates for homo friendly behavior in this rap shit. His first 2 albums are classic, though.
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    we went from this....

    to this...

    to this......

    all in 3 short years. still not sure who killed the game??????
  • Niggas backNiggas back Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78, u seem mad as fuck
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78, u seem mad as fuck

    not mad just allergic to bullshittin ass niggas. besides somebodys gotta tell the truth. if every1 went along with this hypocritical 1 sided bullshit the kids wouldnt know whats really going on & would be just as fucked up as these following ass niggas out here. truth matters & most niggas dont like it *shrugs shoulders and walks off the stage giving even less of a fuck*
  • Disciplined InSightDisciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    Sean Combs 'jiggy era' was responsible..skpjr78 you're not the only one who thinks this.
    To be a real hood you need more than just a gun. You need ideas.

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  • 'nino'jacob'nino'jacob Posts: 154
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    not mad just allergic to bullshittin ass niggas. besides somebodys gotta tell the truth. if every1 went along with this hypocritical 1 sided bullshit the kids wouldnt know whats really going on & would be just as fucked up as these following ass niggas out here. truth matters & most niggas dont like it *shrugs shoulders and walks off the stage giving even less of a fuck*

    Pac had his own gimmicks.

    you just seem like a miserable lame who can't enjoy anything without a pro-black message.
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    nino wrote:
    Pac had his own gimmicks.

    you just seem like a miserable lame who can't enjoy anything without a pro-black message.

    you wanna talk about gimmicks and miserable lames how about this for a gimmick.
    ^^^Real Shit
    ^^^Gimmick Shit

    you wanna talk about miserable lames? this bullshit takes the fucking cake. then niggas will dick ride this fake shit and have the nerve to talk down on rappers who be on real sshit. smh @ fake ass commercial dick ridin ass niggas who blame every1 but themselves for killing the game.
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 27,261 Regulator
    edited January 2012
    well yeah obviously but did they lead us in the right direction. There was a huge void after Pac and B.I died people looked up to them for guidence. The reason why I ask this is because some people say No Limit/Cash Money etc would have never started if Pac and Big were alive

    The southern region on it's own is too damn big to say that if Pac/Big were alive they would have never started...especially given that both Pac and Big openly fucked with southern music and southern rappers...
  • antarticpantarticp Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    After Pac and Big died everyone looked up to these two to take the reigns of hip-hop, lead the next generation, set the trends and call out wack shit etc. Well did they do a good job? Can we hold them responsible for being leaders and guiding the general direction of hip-hop?

    uh back then we were just checking for dope music ... so with big and pac gone we were just hoping they would continue to consistently drop ill shit .... we didnt look to rappers for swag tips ...... ;)
  • antarticpantarticp Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    the whole puff daddy/gay-z jiggy era killed hip-hop. they made it safe for commercial ass niggas to feel free to say nothing. they purposely made corporate white ppl approved music and were paid handsomely to the ssafe negroes. after seeing the firestorm that pac caused and how gimmickyand superficial these commercial jiggy niggas like gay-z and puff was corporations lined to pay them niggas to sell out. all them corny ass jiggy niggas rapped about was clubs, clothes, hoes, and champagne. after that any cultural relevence in hip hop was as dead as pac.

    deep and its stil going on till this day ... damn this is one long as party LOL ;)
  • bankrupt ballerbankrupt baller Posts: 12,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    i think nobody battles anymore because the top corporate people almost had their cash cow ended with ether......lol "we have to put a stop to these battle shenanigans"
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    blackrain wrote: »
    The southern region on it's own is too damn big to say that if Pac/Big were alive they would have never started...especially given that both Pac and Big openly fucked with southern music and southern rappers...





    it blows my mind how these hypocrite ass east niggas keep talking down on the south. like niggas down south told flavor flav to be a career coon and told dmx to be a fucking crackhead or ol' dirty bastard to be a fucking embarrasement. the south showed you weak ass niggas how to get paid and control your own music. if not for jay prince, master p, and rico wade yall coward ass niggas would still be rapping for gold chains and addidas. white ppl are still eating on the money yall hoe ass east coast niggas got fucked out of 30 years ago.
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 27,261 Regulator
    edited January 2012
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    the whole puff daddy/gay-z jiggy era killed hip-hop. they made it safe for commercial ass niggas to feel free to say nothing. they purposely made corporate white ppl approved music and were paid handsomely to the ssafe negroes. after seeing the firestorm that pac caused and how gimmickyand superficial these commercial jiggy niggas like gay-z and puff was corporations lined to pay them niggas to sell out. all them corny ass jiggy niggas rapped about was clubs, clothes, hoes, and champagne. after that any cultural relevence in hip hop was as dead as pac.

    wasn't Biggie's first single ever called Party & Bullshit? You do know even Pac rapped about partying, fucking hoes, smoking weed and bullshitting around? It was here before Pac and it will be here long after niggas stop using 2Pac as some unreachable standard no rapper will ever touch
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    blackrain wrote: »
    wasn't Biggie's first single ever called Party & Bullshit? You do know even Pac rapped about partying, fucking hoes, smoking weed and bullshitting around? It was here before Pac and it will be here long after niggas stop using 2Pac as some unreachable standard no rapper will ever touch

    i cant understand how on 1 hand niggas will talk down on southern music b/c they say its club/party music then dick ride big's party and bullshit. these same niggas will throw stones at cash money b/c they rap about cars, hoes, and clothes then they'll tell you great gay-z is like he didnt spend a decade plus rapping about cars, hoes, clothes. you niggas are so full shit, hate, and envy that you keep tripping over your own words. if it ws good for puffy, gay-z, mase and the rest of them cowards to rap about nothing but cars, hoes, and clothes why is bad for other ppl to rap about the same shit?. fucking hypocrites
  • The_ManThe_Man Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    The current state of hip hop is down to us fans, we decide who the top rappers will be (sales wise) when we purchase/dont purchase their albums, Plus alot of the younger generation are being brought up on rappers like drake and nicki minaj so their expectations of quality and tallent are alot lower than us older fans (im 24)
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