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Kendrick Lamar - ‘The Recipe’ (Produced By Dr. Dre) - [1st Single]

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  • StoneColdMikeyStoneColdMikey mikeyismod CHITOWN THE BEST TOWNPosts: 33,542 Regulator
    Man this shit raw as fuck
    #Mikeyismod2017
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 9,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    a.mann wrote: »

    Scoop Deville produced it.



    nah man, this is definitely a Dre banger

    the keys and clear bass line are dead give away

    Scoop probably made the beat, in hip hop that's not producing

    Cats keep forgetting that Dre is not just a beatmaker, but a producer.....much like a conductor

    and there's no doubt this track has flawless conducting

    Agree before i touched on that subject let me say DR. DRE have the greatest run in producing consecutive hip-hop classics in hip-hop history

    1988 - NWA "STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON"
    1988 - EAZY- E "EAZY DUZ IT
    1989 - THE D.O.C. "NO ONE CAN DO IT BETTER"
    1990 - NWA "100 MILEZ AND RUNNIN" EP
    1991 - NWA "NIGGAZ4LIFE" (Dr, Dre's MASTERPIECE)
    1992 - DR. DRE "THE CHRONIC"
    1993 - SNOOP DOGGY DOGG - DOGGYSTYLE


    right there Dre could of stop and still will be known as The Greatest Producer in hip-hop, THAT'S 7 CERTIFIED HIP-HOP CLASSIC ALBUMS that was produced by Dre. And I didnt even throw in DR. DRE "2001" and that's a hip-hop classic = 8 certifeid hip-hop classic albums.

    Now Dre dont need to produced whole albums no more, and i know he produced the whole Relapse album but i haven't heard of it because i dont fuck with Marshall like that, even though i fucks with the MMLP, but i will give it a listen since that was a full Dre produced album since 2001.

    But Dre is hip-hop's Quincy Jones meaning that he produces albums, guiding other producers when they make the beats telling them where to put a snare, kick add cymbals, keys and just adding layers to the producers beats, and telling the musicans what to play. The same shit that Quincy Jones do, People think Quincy Jones made the beats on THRILLER and BAD, No he didnt he had musicians make the beats and he guided them, and play by mouth and have them to play what they heard with the instruments from his mouth and he add his touches to it, tell the musicans what he want to hear and he mixes the album and tweak it some more adding more to it, that's the same thing that Dre does now, and what Kanye is doing, being PRODUCERS.

    but Dre said he mixed and cleaned up the song meaning That Dre add his touches cleaned the beat up and adding some layers here and there and that's Dre signatures that you hear in scoop devile beats, he just add a few touches to it. Listen how clear and polish THE BEAT is and the little instruments in the background the violins and shit that's DRE, that's why He's the GREATEST
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  • a.manna.mann Posts: 19,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    no doubt

    Dre the GOAT

    cats really need to understand when you get to that level why put in work making a mere "beat"
    when you can conduct young and up coming talent and still get all the credit, props, and praise








  • BobOblahBobOblah Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    if Dre aint producing or writing, wtf is he really doing there?
  • choppa_stylechoppa_style Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭✭
    a.mann wrote: »

    Scoop Deville produced it.



    nah man, this is definitely a Dre banger

    the keys and clear bass line are dead give away

    Scoop probably made the beat, in hip hop that's not producing

    Cats keep forgetting that Dre is not just a beatmaker, but a producer.....much like a conductor

    and there's no doubt this track has flawless conducting
    a.mann wrote: »

    Scoop Deville produced it.



    nah man, this is definitely a Dre banger

    the keys and clear bass line are dead give away

    Scoop probably made the beat, in hip hop that's not producing

    Cats keep forgetting that Dre is not just a beatmaker, but a producer.....much like a conductor

    and there's no doubt this track has flawless conducting


    First thing I thought when I heard it. Obviously dude did most of the track cause he got all the credit but this shit wasnt gonna be released without Dre's touch especially with his named involved in it.

    I know the difference between a producer and beat maker. The track is officially produced by Scoop Deville. If Dre had any input on the production he would have gotten credit for it.
  • choppa_stylechoppa_style Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭✭
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.
  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations

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  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"
    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
  • OuncemanOunceman Posts: 6,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cool song. nothing more nothing less
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  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.
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  • antarticpantarticp Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GeE-757 wrote: »
    antarticp wrote: »
    as sick as kendrick is lyrically you know hes bound to have a track with eminem fucking with dre if not this album ... def by the next album .... if u ask me kendrick is the black eminem if u get what im saying .... eminem whole thing was being broke white trash from the trailor park ........ kendricks whole this is being broke black brother growing up on section 8 ... same ish different side of the tracks .... and lyrically they both go ham slammming tons of words in a bar ..... switching up thier vocal tons and cadence ... useing crazy words metaphores etc..............

    well if kendrick got a trak wit da cracka he betta pull a jeezy & make sure that shit dont make da album or im coppin da BOOTLEG FUK EUROMATH!

    lol i can dig it lol ;)
  • antarticpantarticp Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sid note def a nice smooth track .. by why feature dre if he aint produce the track LOL !!!!! ;)
  • MC The RapperMC The Rapper Posts: 8,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    antarticp wrote: »
    sid note def a nice smooth track .. by why feature dre if he aint produce the track LOL !!!!! ;)

    To create that buzz, to get people to listen to him that don't listen to him
  • nujerz84nujerz84 NJPosts: 15,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.
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  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    I read the link, but Complex doesn't always back everything 100%
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.

    post it, I lost my booklet when I moved and magically my 200 cd case disappeared
    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
  • nujerz84nujerz84 NJPosts: 15,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    I read the link, but Complex doesn't always back everything 100%
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.

    post it, I lost my booklet when I moved and magically my 200 cd case disappeared

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    No S.Carter anywhere for that Song
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  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


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    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.

    I already posted to say that this wasn't the case @ liner notes. I said that I'd checked myself earlier lol.

    I'm pretty sure that Complex don't have it wrong as well, I've read elsewhere that Jay-Z had a take on The Watcher as well as Still D.R.E (which he does get credit for in the liner notes).
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  • nujerz84nujerz84 NJPosts: 15,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.

    I already posted to say that this wasn't the case @ liner notes. I said that I'd checked myself earlier lol.

    I'm pretty sure that Complex don't have it wrong as well, I've read elsewhere that Jay-Z had a take on The Watcher as well as Still D.R.E (which he does get credit for in the liner notes).

    Fact is Jay-z didnt write the Watcher Eminem did...Jay might have written verses but they werent used.

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  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.

    I already posted to say that this wasn't the case @ liner notes. I said that I'd checked myself earlier lol.

    I'm pretty sure that Complex don't have it wrong as well, I've read elsewhere that Jay-Z had a take on The Watcher as well as Still D.R.E (which he does get credit for in the liner notes).

    He wrote Still D.R.E there is a video of Snoop talking about how DOC did a version Dre said no, and he did and Dre told him it was wack. He said Jay's version came and every line was hitting.
    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    nujerz84 wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    okaay wrote: »
    Somebody tell Dre stop fucking rapping he always sounds like his ghostwriter at the moment and niggas dont believe sit you talking about stop leaching Dre just produce the track and fall the fuck back.

    Scoop Deville produced it.
    It's a cool drop, but it sounds more like a Droop-E production than a Dre beat.

    No, it sounds like a Scoop Deville beat, because it is.

    It's only on the page that has the song and has been stated in this thread multiple times.
    RuffDraft wrote: »

    The Watcher was a nice song wrote for him by Jay-Z because it was from the perspective of a veteran and it was still nice… he shouldn't be spelling the word H-A-T-E in a verse in my opinion, school boy stuff and he isn't even flippin' it.

    Marshall Mathers wrote "The Watcher."
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    @choppastyle, look in the liner notes, I'm not at the laptop to tell you otherwise, but The Watcher was written by Sean Carter aka Jay-Z.

    Can you show it? I don't have the liner notes but I'll track to find them.

    I actually could, but I just checked the liner-notes and it's not there… fail!

    Eminem is on background vocals, but Jay-Z wrote it, although this article does lend its hand towards what you were saying despite Jay-Z having largely taken credit for it over the years:

    http://www.complex.com/music/2010/03/detox-duet-the-history-of-dr-dre-jay-z-collaborations


    KendrickLamarandDrDreFullSize.jpg

    When I moved I lost over 200 physical albums. The Chronic 2001 was one of them. I know Jay-Z wrote Dre's verse for "The Watcher 2" on BP2. I do not remember if he wrote the one on "Chronic 2001"

    The link I posted explains that he did… here's the extract:

    Complex Says: "The Watcher," another 2001 song about haters trying to test an OG, also owes a lot to Jay-Z's pen. Eminem and Rakim are also rumored to have worked on the lyrics, so it's hard to say exactly how much work Hov put in. Regardless, this is classic D.R.E.

    I remember reading about it in other articles around the time of the release of 2001 though too… so I can confidently say that Jay-Z was the main writer of The Watcher. I think this is why he did a part 2 for it as well.

    The article is wrong I can post a photo of th linear notes Jay z didnt write Watcher that was on The Chronic 2001 was written by Eminem...Watcher 2 on Blueprint 2 was by Jay-z.

    I already posted to say that this wasn't the case @ liner notes. I said that I'd checked myself earlier lol.

    I'm pretty sure that Complex don't have it wrong as well, I've read elsewhere that Jay-Z had a take on The Watcher as well as Still D.R.E (which he does get credit for in the liner notes).

    Fact is Jay-z didnt write the Watcher Eminem did...Jay might have written verses but they werent used.

    Like I said earlier, I'm sure I've read otherwise in the past and it wouldn't be the first time someone wasn't credited with writing a track in the liner notes… do you not think it's strange that both Complex and a number of others have credited Jay-Z with writing some of that track in the past?

    Either way, be it Jay-Z or Eminem, my point was that The Watcher was a much more acceptable/believeable perspective from Dr. Dre back in 1999, when as others have stated, he was considered old. The track wasn't stating about being in the hood etc. it was an accepting track of a producer doing good and moving out of the b/s.

    Thirteen years on and he's speaking on The Recipe as if he's younger than he was in 1999. I'm just saying, it's unbelievable and borderline silly for a man of his age to be rhyming about this and that when he should really have more substance given his time in the game…

    I'm not debating Dr. Dre's legacy, I'm a huge fan from the NWA days to Chronic 2001. But I think him and Kendrick could have brought a nicer single that showcased who Kendrick Lamar is better…

    He wrote Still D.R.E there is a video of Snoop talking about how DOC did a version Dre said no, and he did and Dre told him it was wack. He said Jay's version came and every line was hitting.

    Damn, either way, I don't think it hurt Snoop's chemistry on 2001, that album still knocks and is a definitive hip hop record. Around a year ago, a club I was at played it from start to finish. Great listen in a different setting, made it all the more clear how great an album it was as everyone's heads continually knocked.
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  • Nah SonNah Son Habitual Line Stepper Posts: 9,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Gotta bump this thread real quick to say that this joint is my shit been bumpin it heavily since it dropped
  • WeazelWeazel Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, still a dope song
    One of those Dre joints that can stand the test of time.
    Looking forwords to other Dr Dre/Kendrick Lamar collabo's
  • andre_1024andre_1024 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lookin forward to the video for this, should be good..
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