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SMH, this is nothing new to us African Americans and to our Latino Brothers and Sisters this is the way (some of us) always felt that the majority of yall feel you have more in common with whites than blacks. And maybe because in the work place or at a social events or even in every day life some of yall feel and act like you better because of your skin, in your minds yall feel like yall in 2nd place and that is sickening. 2nd place of what??? but here's this article and maybe we can get some hits and have a nice discussion. It's the R&R and all.
In Florida, a Death Foretold
IN the mid-1930s, a Yale anthropologist ventured to an unnamed town in the South to explore the feudal divisions of what we commonly call race but what he preferred to describe with the more layered language of caste. When he arrived — white, earnest and fresh from the North — white Southerners told him that a Northerner would soon enough “feel about Negroes as Southerners do.” In making that prediction, the anthropologist John Dollard wrote in his seminal study “Caste and Class in a Southern Town,” they are saying “that he joins the white caste. The solicitation is extremely active, though informal, and one must stand by one’s caste to survive.”
Americans tend to think of the rigid stratification of caste as a distant notion from feudal Europe or Victorian India. But caste is alive and well in this country, where a still unsettled multiracial society is emerging from the starkly drawn social order that Dollard described. Assumptions about one’s place in this new social order have become a muddying subtext in the case of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager slain at the hands of an overzealous neighborhood watch captain, who is the son of a white father and a Peruvian mother.
We do not know what George Zimmerman was thinking as he watched Mr. Martin from afar, told a 911 dispatcher that he looked suspicious and ultimately shot him. But we do know that it happened in central Florida, a region whose demographic landscape is rapidly changing, where unprecedented numbers of Latino immigrants have arrived at a place still scarred by the history of a vigilante-enforced caste system and the stereotypes that linger from it. In this context, newcomers — like previous waves of immigrants in the past — may feel pressed to identify with the dominant caste and distance themselves from blacks, in order to survive.
A study released in 2006 by Duke University on attitudes on race in Durham, N.C., a city with one of the fastest-growing Latino populations in the country, found that an overwhelming majority of Latinos — 78 percent — felt they had the most in common with whites, while 53 percent of them felt they had the least in common with blacks. So it would make sense for those respondents to act with the same assumptions about blacks that they perceive are held by native whites. In fact the Latino respondents, many of them immigrants from Mexico and Central America, actually reported higher negative feelings toward blacks than most native-born whites. Nearly 60 percent reported feeling that few or almost no blacks were hard-working or could be trusted, while only 10 percent of whites held that view.
On the other hand, almost three-quarters of blacks felt that Latinos were hard-working or could be trusted. Black Americans appear to view Latinos as more like themselves. “Blacks are not as negative toward Latinos as Latinos are toward blacks because blacks see them as another nonwhite group that will be treated as they have been,” said Paula D. McClain, the lead author on the study. Even as blacks worry about losing jobs to new immigrants, they are less supportive of harsh anti-immigration laws, she said, “because they know what laws have done to them.”
But shared hardships don’t necessarily make allies. “As linked fate rises, so does competition,” said Michael Jones-Correa, a professor of government at Cornell who specializes in immigration and interethnic relations. “It’s like a sibling rivalry,” he said. “This is not a painless relationship.” And, of course, Latino immigrants don’t just enter a pre-existing racial hierarchy; they bring with them their own assumptions based on the hierarchies in their home countries. “When we come to the U.S.,” Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, a professor of sociology at Duke, who is Puerto Rican, said, “we immediately recognize whites on top and blacks on the bottom and say, ‘My job is to be anything but black.’ ”
This uneasy coexistence has had tragic consequences in the past. A series of riots broke out in Miami in the 1980s after several black men were shot dead by Latino police officers who claimed self-defense and were later acquitted. In 1982 in Miami, a 20-year-old black man named Nevell Johnson Jr. was killed at a video arcade by a white, Cuban-born police officer. Seven years later, after a routine traffic stop in that same Miami neighborhood, a black man riding a motorcycle, Clement Anthony Lloyd, was shot dead by a Colombian-born police officer. The motorcycle then crashed; another black man who was riding on the back died the next day.
In Florida, a Death Foretold
IN the mid-1930s, a Yale anthropologist ventured to an unnamed town in the South to explore the feudal divisions of what we commonly call race but what he preferred to describe with the more layered language of caste. When he arrived — white, earnest and fresh from the North — white Southerners told him that a Northerner would soon enough “feel about Negroes as Southerners do.” In making that prediction, the anthropologist John Dollard wrote in his seminal study “Caste and Class in a Southern Town,” they are saying “that he joins the white caste. The solicitation is extremely active, though informal, and one must stand by one’s caste to survive.”
Americans tend to think of the rigid stratification of caste as a distant notion from feudal Europe or Victorian India. But caste is alive and well in this country, where a still unsettled multiracial society is emerging from the starkly drawn social order that Dollard described. Assumptions about one’s place in this new social order have become a muddying subtext in the case of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager slain at the hands of an overzealous neighborhood watch captain, who is the son of a white father and a Peruvian mother.
We do not know what George Zimmerman was thinking as he watched Mr. Martin from afar, told a 911 dispatcher that he looked suspicious and ultimately shot him. But we do know that it happened in central Florida, a region whose demographic landscape is rapidly changing, where unprecedented numbers of Latino immigrants have arrived at a place still scarred by the history of a vigilante-enforced caste system and the stereotypes that linger from it. In this context, newcomers — like previous waves of immigrants in the past — may feel pressed to identify with the dominant caste and distance themselves from blacks, in order to survive.
A study released in 2006 by Duke University on attitudes on race in Durham, N.C., a city with one of the fastest-growing Latino populations in the country, found that an overwhelming majority of Latinos — 78 percent — felt they had the most in common with whites, while 53 percent of them felt they had the least in common with blacks. So it would make sense for those respondents to act with the same assumptions about blacks that they perceive are held by native whites. In fact the Latino respondents, many of them immigrants from Mexico and Central America, actually reported higher negative feelings toward blacks than most native-born whites. Nearly 60 percent reported feeling that few or almost no blacks were hard-working or could be trusted, while only 10 percent of whites held that view.
On the other hand, almost three-quarters of blacks felt that Latinos were hard-working or could be trusted. Black Americans appear to view Latinos as more like themselves. “Blacks are not as negative toward Latinos as Latinos are toward blacks because blacks see them as another nonwhite group that will be treated as they have been,” said Paula D. McClain, the lead author on the study. Even as blacks worry about losing jobs to new immigrants, they are less supportive of harsh anti-immigration laws, she said, “because they know what laws have done to them.”
But shared hardships don’t necessarily make allies. “As linked fate rises, so does competition,” said Michael Jones-Correa, a professor of government at Cornell who specializes in immigration and interethnic relations. “It’s like a sibling rivalry,” he said. “This is not a painless relationship.” And, of course, Latino immigrants don’t just enter a pre-existing racial hierarchy; they bring with them their own assumptions based on the hierarchies in their home countries. “When we come to the U.S.,” Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, a professor of sociology at Duke, who is Puerto Rican, said, “we immediately recognize whites on top and blacks on the bottom and say, ‘My job is to be anything but black.’ ”
This uneasy coexistence has had tragic consequences in the past. A series of riots broke out in Miami in the 1980s after several black men were shot dead by Latino police officers who claimed self-defense and were later acquitted. In 1982 in Miami, a 20-year-old black man named Nevell Johnson Jr. was killed at a video arcade by a white, Cuban-born police officer. Seven years later, after a routine traffic stop in that same Miami neighborhood, a black man riding a motorcycle, Clement Anthony Lloyd, was shot dead by a Colombian-born police officer. The motorcycle then crashed; another black man who was riding on the back died the next day.
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Just last year in California, a gang of 51 people, mostly Latinos, were indicted in the San Gabriel Valley, east of Los Angeles, after a 15-year campaign of assaults and firebombings of African-American residents, whom they were trying to force out of the neighborhood.
In this atmosphere, blacks are the target of the highest number of hate crimes in the United States, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation — higher by a wide margin than any another group of Americans by race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or disability. While blacks make up 12.6 percent of the country’s population, they were 70 percent of the victims of racial hate crimes in 2010.
WHATEVER role caste may have played in the Trayvon Martin case is unknowable, and it is far too early to tell whether Mr. Zimmerman will be arrested, tried or convicted. But that encounter unfolded in Seminole County, where Latinos have overtaken African-Americans as the dominant minority group, rising to 17 percent from 11 percent in the last decade. Blacks now make up 11 percent and whites, 66 percent. The area had a history of vigilante justice long before the new arrivals, dating back to 1920, when blacks in the nearby town of Ocoee were burned out of their homes after two black men tried to vote.
Despite all that has gone before, there is reason for optimism. One of the great tragedies of the last century was the pitting of immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe against African-Americans who had migrated from the rural South to the industrial North. Both groups were seeking the same thing and were pretty much the same people — people of the land trying to make a way for their families in forbidding and alien places. Fear, suspicion and uneven access to unions, jobs and housing kept them apart. Firebombings and white flight followed, and we are still living with the aftereffects of those divisions.
The arrival of a new kind of immigrant to a country that has endured so much discord offers a chance for re-examination and redemption. Indeed, one of the most encouraging signs noted by Mr. Jones-Correa is that Latinos are maintaining a distinct identity and are increasingly choosing to be identified as “other” rather than black or white. “We have a history of immigrants coming to America and proving themselves as American by identifying as white,” he said. “Latinos see themselves as a third category. I think they will continue as a third position beyond the black and white rhetoric.”
John Dollard was told time and again that he would come to see the lowest caste of the South the same way that those who had devised the caste system did. He resisted that impulse and instead chose to lay bare the divisions in a hope that they one day might end. Now, 75 years later, a death in Florida gives all of us the chance to reflect on the meaning of that choice.
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I dont blame them. Blacks always wanna be cool with everyone except their own.
This is what ? get for giving out passes. -
It's sad that the Latino brothers have a negative view of us blacks and we have a positive view on them, come Latino brothers open up about your culture and why yall have these views on blacks, when black always had your back.
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i really could careless. ? em
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I dont blame them. Blacks always wanna be cool with everyone except their own.
This is what ? get for giving out passes.
and that's the damn truth but not the whole truth, but you touched on it...... blacks have love for the islander brothers, brown brothers but it seems we don't get the love back.
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i really could careless. ? em
i heard that and i can respect that. Out here in Cali there's always tension between the blacks and mexicans -
this is fact. when i was locked up the mexicans and latinos always rode with the white boys.
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waterproof wrote: »I dont blame them. Blacks always wanna be cool with everyone except their own.
This is what ? get for giving out passes.
and that's the damn truth but not the whole truth, but you touched on it...... blacks have love for the islander brothers, brown brothers but it seems we don't get the love back.
I am an "island brother"! -
waterproof wrote: »I dont blame them. Blacks always wanna be cool with everyone except their own.
This is what ? get for giving out passes.
and that's the damn truth but not the whole truth, but you touched on it...... blacks have love for the islander brothers, brown brothers but it seems we don't get the love back.
I am an "island brother"!
I aint talking about the Tongans, moans, fijians i from the bay and ran with a few some cool cats always showed the upmost respect and treat you cool unless you was on the other side, i am talking about the filipinos they be saying some of the most racist ? about blacks -
In other news, white people don't like black people.
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waterproof wrote: »waterproof wrote: »I dont blame them. Blacks always wanna be cool with everyone except their own.
This is what ? get for giving out passes.
and that's the damn truth but not the whole truth, but you touched on it...... blacks have love for the islander brothers, brown brothers but it seems we don't get the love back.
I am an "island brother"!
I aint talking about the Tongans, moans, fijians i from the bay and ran with a few some cool cats always showed the upmost respect and treat you cool unless you was on the other side, i am talking about the filipinos they be saying some of the most racist ? about blacks
lol i swear when u said island brother I thought of the Caribbean. Not them other islands but It looks like u r from the west coast so u gotta deal with them types.
filipinos do be racist sometimes and are hard to work with and like most asians they love whites. -
waterproof wrote: »waterproof wrote: »I dont blame them. Blacks always wanna be cool with everyone except their own.
This is what ? get for giving out passes.
and that's the damn truth but not the whole truth, but you touched on it...... blacks have love for the islander brothers, brown brothers but it seems we don't get the love back.
I am an "island brother"!
I aint talking about the Tongans, moans, fijians i from the bay and ran with a few some cool cats always showed the upmost respect and treat you cool unless you was on the other side, i am talking about the filipinos they be saying some of the most racist ? about blacks
lol i swear when u said island brother I thought of the Caribbean. Not them other islands but It looks like u r from the west coast so u gotta deal with them types.
filipinos do be racist sometimes and are hard to work with and like most asians they love whites.
LOL...... i see where coming from I got love for all my brothers afro-latino's and all and the brothers from the caribbeans, but yeah those filipinos (the racist one's) are hard to work with and they will quick to talk behind your and spy on you so they can drop dime
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this might seem less ridiculous if you consider that Latino is not a race
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What's the point of this thread?
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So many hasty generalization fallacies
There are tons of fallacies in that "article".
How can someone base a latino perspective of blacks on a study of latinos in North Carolina? There arent alot of latinos in the south besides texas and miami.
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Kushington wrote: »So many hasty generalization fallacies
There are tons of fallacies in that "article".
How can someone base a latino perspective of blacks on a study of latinos in North Carolina? There arent alot of latinos in the south besides texas and miami.
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What? There are plenty of Mexicans everywhere. I used to live in that area and there were a ton of them then. That was 5 years ago. -
Kushington wrote: »What's the point of this thread?
here read again "A study released in 2006 by Duke University on attitudes on race in Durham, N.C., a city with one of the fastest-growing Latino populations in the country, found that an overwhelming majority of Latinos — 78 percent — felt they had the most in common with whites, while 53 percent of them felt they had the least in common with blacks. So it would make sense for those respondents to act with the same assumptions about blacks that they perceive are held by native whites. In fact the Latino respondents, many of them immigrants from Mexico and Central America, actually reported higher negative feelings toward blacks than most native-born whites. Nearly 60 percent reported feeling that few or almost no blacks were hard-working or could be trusted, while only 10 percent of whites held that view.
On the other hand, almost three-quarters of blacks felt that Latinos were hard-working or could be trusted. Black Americans appear to view Latinos as more like themselves. “Blacks are not as negative toward Latinos as Latinos are toward blacks because blacks see them as another nonwhite group that will be treated as they have been,” said Paula D. McClain, the lead author on the study. Even as blacks worry about losing jobs to new immigrants, they are less supportive of harsh anti-immigration laws, she said, “because they know what laws have done to them.”
and that's the point of the thread, out here in california it's the same thing, this been happening for years and this is not the first nor last article on this race issue -
Kushington wrote: »
you got to put that kush down and come out that little box that you live in -
So many hasty generalization fallacies
name the fallacies, you should have first hand experince with that aint you dominican and white who have issues???? and we all know how they fell on the color issues -
Said it a million times already Latins are nothing more than crackas themselves. They are the ones who are going to eventually ? the American white man off royally. They come over here and kiss any ass that can get them a better life then when they get ready to they commit crimes and run back where they came from. They come over here and work for whatever they can get and try to down someone who will not do that. The white man loves them for being the closest thing to slave labor they can get. It is too late for the white man to stop illegal immigration and I don't care to help them with it. Those latins situation has never been anything close to blacks so I could give a ? less about them when they march for there rights and try to compare it to civil rights and I take that ? as a slap in the face. In short I really don't care for them because you can tell from a mile away that they are white wanna-bes
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i don't put too much thought or trust in that cause at the end of the day look how white folks turned light skin blacks against dark skin blacks. Majority of latinos don' have self awareness and think we came from whatever country we came from and thats what we are and are not really up on history or how the world runs.so those that think like that aint no different that any other race who thinks that way.
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Said it a million times already Latins are nothing more than crackas themselves. They are the ones who are going to eventually ? the American white man off royally. They come over here and kiss any ass that can get them a better life then when they get ready to they commit crimes and run back where they came from. They come over here and work for whatever they can get and try to down someone who will not do that. The white man loves them for being the closest thing to slave labor they can get. It is too late for the white man to stop illegal immigration and I don't care to help them with it. Those latins situation has never been anything close to blacks so I could give a ? less about them when they march for there rights and try to compare it to civil rights and I take that ? as a slap in the face. In short I really don't care for them because you can tell from a mile away that they are white wanna-bes
and i hope you are speaking from whatever bad experience you have had cause not every latin person thinks that way. -
Said it a million times already Latins are nothing more than crackas themselves. They are the ones who are going to eventually ? the American white man off royally. They come over here and kiss any ass that can get them a better life then when they get ready to they commit crimes and run back where they came from. They come over here and work for whatever they can get and try to down someone who will not do that. The white man loves them for being the closest thing to slave labor they can get. It is too late for the white man to stop illegal immigration and I don't care to help them with it. Those latins situation has never been anything close to blacks so I could give a ? less about them when they march for there rights and try to compare it to civil rights and I take that ? as a slap in the face. In short I really don't care for them because you can tell from a mile away that they are white wanna-bes
and i hope you are speaking from whatever bad experience you have had cause not every latin person thinks that way.
NOW here's some real irony/& hypocrisy at it's finest, lots of black people will hire those same illegals instead of hiring there own people....huh? so! who's really zooming who? - society is really trying hard to make the black men seem like the perfect human being...hell even saying the slightest thing about black people will get you branded/labeled - racist/bigots etc.
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Makes sense. If they see Spain as the place of their ancestors, they should feel that they have more in common with others of European decent.
