Is Thor top 5 D.O.A?
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DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »No, Dr. Strange under most circumstances, Odin, Zeus, Franklin Richards, a slew of other mutants, Blackheart, Mephisto, Doom at times, Thanos, Hulk at times, Silver Surfer at times, Phoenix at times(Phoenix force is the abstract), Dormammu, Umar, etc.
At full power Thor is more powerful than everbody you named aside from Thanos.
Odin, Zeus>Thanos,
Mephisto, Blackheart= or near = to Thanos,
Dr. Strange at times(when he was messing with Living Tribunal)>Thanos,
Franklin Richards=Galactus>Thanos
Dormammu=>thanos, etc.
Thor ain't touching Richards, Strange, Odin, or Zeus, but at full, Odin power he may be touching the rest, maybe.
Thanos has destroyed the universe...twice. Nobody on that list has done that.
Thanos didn't do that with his own power though and Franklin is more powerful than Galactus. Thanos isn't quite skyfather level in power so guys like Odin and Zeus are more powerful
What do you mean he didnt do it with his own power?? Thanos destroyed the Universe....he won....there is no other rebuttal.... he was the only person left...no Frank Richards, no Thor, No Living Tribunal, No Eternity, No Galactus...he won....TWICE!
As in, he didn't accomplish those feats using his own power..there was another power source involved..I assume you're referring to Thanos: the End and the Infinity Gauntlet.. -
What do you mean he didnt do it with his own power?? Thanos destroyed the Universe....he won....there is no other rebuttal.... he was the only person left...no Frank Richards, no Thor, No Living Tribunal, No Eternity, No Galactus...he won....TWICE![/quote]
I think what he meant was Thanos didn't do it without artifacts. As in if Thanos had to fight all of Earth's villains and heroes, the Celestials, Galactus, etc, without the Infinity Gauntlet, he would lose. Thanos briefly fought Galactus without any artifacts and although he got the first lick in, he still cried mercy at the end. Thanos didn't beat the Living Tribunal with the Infinity Gauntlet. Remember during that arc, that first Thanos killed half the population of the universe then took down that coalition of heroes & villains. Then he took down most of the cosmic abstracts before facing Eternity and usurping Eternity's position in the universe. Different from destroying a universe. The Living Tribunal is higher than the Infinity Gauntlet. It wasn't until Thanos attained the Heart of the Infinite(Universe) that he was able to defeat Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Even at that point, Thanos stated that an even higher power urged him to correct an imbalance in the multiverse and thus he reversed everything he did with the Heart of the Infinite. The being he was referring to is TOAA, who is top dog at Marvel. Remember there are quite a few beings in the Marvel's omniverse more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet but only one trumps the Heart of the Infinite. Adam Warlock proved deft at handling the Infinity Gauntlet and even when he pwned the cosmic abstracts like Thanos,he found out quick that Living Tribunal can easily nullify the Infinity Gauntlet.
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I think what he meant was Thanos didn't do it without artifacts. As in if Thanos had to fight all of Earth's villains and heroes, the Celestials, Galactus, etc, without the Infinity Gauntlet, he would lose. Thanos briefly fought Galactus without any artifacts and although he got the first lick in, he still cried mercy at the end. Thanos didn't beat the Living Tribunal with the Infinity Gauntlet. Remember during that arc, that first Thanos killed half the population of the universe then took down that coalition of heroes & villains. Then he took down most of the cosmic abstracts before facing Eternity and usurping Eternity's position in the universe. Different from destroying a universe. The Living Tribunal is higher than the Infinity Gauntlet. It wasn't until Thanos attained the Heart of the Infinite(Universe) that he was able to defeat Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Even at that point, Thanos stated that an even higher power urged him to correct an imbalance in the multiverse and thus he reversed everything he did with the Heart of the Infinite. The being he was referring to is TOAA, who is top dog at Marvel. Remember there are quite a few beings in the Marvel's omniverse more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet but only one trumps the Heart of the Infinite. Adam Warlock proved deft at handling the Infinity Gauntlet and even when he pwned the cosmic abstracts like Thanos,he found out quick that Living Tribunal can easily nullify the Infinity Gauntlet.
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Thanos gained the artifacts through using his powers. Thanos's intellect, strategic manoeuvring, and his will. He is essentially Batman on a cosmic scale. He intended to destroy the universe...he did...he achieved his ultimate and final goal...of complete and utter ? over the universe.
That TOAA garbage is just Marvel's defacto "? " that they use to apease the religious types.
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anyone can gain the artifacts..or the gems to accomplish what he did..and he didn't destroy the universe in IG -
if you know you're comics history
of course he is
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if you know you're comics history
of course he is
no doubt
Exact opposite actually. But w/e.
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Thor is the ? ! He runs marvel ? . As far as heroes go, bolt, hulk, sentry, and a few others can even match him in battle...
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aye, i was watching that hulk vs thor movie..
hulk ran through the whole asgard like it was nothing......
? was kinda embarrassing imo.. i thought them ? was G's -
who or wtf is a TOAA??
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bcotton2000@yahoo.co wrote: »
haha then i guess that is the most powerful ? then. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »
Riiiighhtt...Marvel's own handbook puts his strength at incalculable, he's easily lifted a million tonnes, has easily fought the Hulk to a standstill (while the Hulk kept getting stronger) Thor was restraining himself. He has battled an entire Celestial Host by himself, smashed stars and planets with his bare fists, turned the Sentry into a corpse...Rune King Thor was omniscient and semi-omnipotent. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »
Riiiighhtt...Marvel's own handbook puts his strength at incalculable, he's easily lifted a million tonnes, has easily fought the Hulk to a standstill (while the Hulk kept getting stronger) Thor was restraining himself. He has battled an entire Celestial Host by himself, smashed stars and planets with his bare fists, turned the Sentry into a corpse...Rune King Thor was omniscient and semi-omnipotent.
He's also lost to Hulk multiple times, lost to Beta Ray Bill, lost to Thanos, etc. And nothing you named put him in the top 5. There are far more than 5 omnipotents, nonetheless semi-omnipotents -
DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »
Riiiighhtt...Marvel's own handbook puts his strength at incalculable, he's easily lifted a million tonnes, has easily fought the Hulk to a standstill (while the Hulk kept getting stronger) Thor was restraining himself. He has battled an entire Celestial Host by himself, smashed stars and planets with his bare fists, turned the Sentry into a corpse...Rune King Thor was omniscient and semi-omnipotent.
He's also lost to Hulk multiple times, lost to Beta Ray Bill, lost to Thanos, etc. And nothing you named put him in the top 5. There are far more than 5 omnipotents, nonetheless semi-omnipotents
Of course he has lost it's a comic book...if he never lost ? would be pointless. The point is Rune King Thor was far more powerfull than Odin or any Skyfather. There aren't more than 5 omnipotents or even near omnipotents that aren't Abstracts.
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DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »
Riiiighhtt...Marvel's own handbook puts his strength at incalculable, he's easily lifted a million tonnes, has easily fought the Hulk to a standstill (while the Hulk kept getting stronger) Thor was restraining himself. He has battled an entire Celestial Host by himself, smashed stars and planets with his bare fists, turned the Sentry into a corpse...Rune King Thor was omniscient and semi-omnipotent.
He's also lost to Hulk multiple times, lost to Beta Ray Bill, lost to Thanos, etc. And nothing you named put him in the top 5. There are far more than 5 omnipotents, nonetheless semi-omnipotents
Of course he has lost it's a comic book...if he never lost ? would be pointless. The point is Rune King Thor was far more powerfull than Odin or any Skyfather. There aren't more than 5 omnipotents or even near omnipotents that aren't Abstracts.
So you're using only the strongest version of Thor and no one else? And then deliberately say no abstracts? Of course he'll seem top 5 with all of those restrictions and even then I need proof that he's stronger than Odin, then Doctor Strange(classic), then Dormammu(one that beat Eternity), then Mephisto, then Blackheart, Franklin Richards(who is Galactus level), Mad Jim Jaspers(Universal or Omniversal level threat), Scarlet Witch(Universal or Omniversal level threat), Cyttorak, Onslaught, etc.
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Thor is a superhero sky father! He is the one hero you can send to fight any villain or and other hero and he would be able to stand his ground, Outside of people who can alter reality in order to keep thor from touching them (franklin richards, Galactacus, eternity, infinity) Thor can dance with pretty much anyone
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Let's not forget that Mags has given Thor hell also. But he's still a top 5 hero, easily.
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But he didn't destroy the universe with the IG. U stated he destroyed the universe twice, which he did not do. He destroyed the universe once with the HotI. But then again, Reed Richards destroyed the universe with the Ultimate Nullifer (including Eternity) and recreated it without Abraxas as a threat. Morg, who's not the brightest bulb, managed to scheme his way to the Ultimate Nullifier also. Are you saying that Morg & Reed Richards > Eternity, Infinity, Etc? The Living Tribunal trumps the IG. Regardless of how anyone feels about TOAA, his position is canon. Also remember that the Infinity Gauntlet had no effect on Maelstrom when Maelstrom confronted Thanos with the IG (confirmed as canon too by Marvel's Official Handbook)
The Infinity Gauntlet is über powerful but there are some artifacts and characters more powerful than it, or at the very least unaffected by its effects.
To be fair, Galactus gave Reed the UN and allowed him to rewrite the universe. It's not like Reed did anything to earn. It was revealed in that same storyline that the UN is an aspect of Galactus' own power. So getting it is not the same as outsmarting a bunch of ancient and powerful beings to gain the gems as Thanos did.
Also, Thanos not destroying the universe with the IG is not an example of failure. Unless I'm mistaken, he didn't want to do that in the first place. He only wanted to do enough to impress Death. -
For some reason I thought this was limited to the heroes of Marvel Earth. If you are counting anyone below Galactus level, then he doesn't scratch the top 5. Hell, he doesn't even come close.
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For some reason I thought this was limited to the heroes of Marvel Earth. If you are counting anyone below Galactus level, then he doesn't scratch the top 5. Hell, he doesn't even come close.
That's what I was thinking. In that case, Thor is definitely Top 5, maybe even #1 on most days. If you're talking about most powerful being in the Marvel Universe, then no, he's not even close. Even if you take away the Abstracts and high level cosmics like Galactus, Thor still doesn't make the Top 5. Now if you take away the Abstracts, Cosmics, high level villains like Thanos, and reality warpers then maybe Thor creeps back up there.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »But he didn't destroy the universe with the IG. U stated he destroyed the universe twice, which he did not do. He destroyed the universe once with the HotI. But then again, Reed Richards destroyed the universe with the Ultimate Nullifer (including Eternity) and recreated it without Abraxas as a threat. Morg, who's not the brightest bulb, managed to scheme his way to the Ultimate Nullifier also. Are you saying that Morg & Reed Richards > Eternity, Infinity, Etc? The Living Tribunal trumps the IG. Regardless of how anyone feels about TOAA, his position is canon. Also remember that the Infinity Gauntlet had no effect on Maelstrom when Maelstrom confronted Thanos with the IG (confirmed as canon too by Marvel's Official Handbook)
The Infinity Gauntlet is über powerful but there are some artifacts and characters more powerful than it, or at the very least unaffected by its effects.
To be fair, Galactus gave Reed the UN and allowed him to rewrite the universe. It's not like Reed did anything to earn. It was revealed in that same storyline that the UN is an aspect of Galactus' own power. So getting it is not the same as outsmarting a bunch of ancient and powerful beings to gain the gems as Thanos did.
Also, Thanos not destroying the universe with the IG is not an example of failure. Unless I'm mistaken, he didn't want to do that in the first place. He only wanted to do enough to impress Death.
They were playing hot potato with the UN before it landed to Reed. I have the issue somewhere and I'll try to upload it when I find it, but remember Galactus had the UN after retracting it from Abraxas and giving his spiel. But then Nova did a fastball special through his ear lol causing him shock/pain and dropping it. Also, Morg did scheme his way to the UN to confront Tyrant when Tyrant gained the upper hand against Galactus. Galactus was clearly shook as he couldn't control Morg's actions with the UN. Plus though the UN is an aspect of Galactus, there have been quite a number of appearances where he is utterly unable to gain control of it from its possessor.
I'm not taking away from Thanos' amazing feat with the IG. It's just it was stated afterward during the IW saga that Living Tribunal allowed Thanos to defeat Eternity was because he was just usurping Eternity's position in a single universe.
I don't even know where I would rank Thor. Rune King Thor's feats:
Owning Mangog easily
Decap Loki and kept him alive
Approach Surtur and requested Surtur to battle Asgard one last time
Ended the cycle of Ragnarok by rejecting Those Who Sit Above in Shadows (a feat Odin was never able to do) and severing their connection to Asgard
If we talking bout reg Thor, not top 5! Considering Kurse ALWAYS had his number.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTu5XzFQVgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcbSUJzUy8&feature=related
