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Agree or Disagree: Rappers Should Work With In House Production

StillFaggyAFStillFaggyAF QueerLGBT CommunityPosts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2012 in The Reason
IMO the best albums in hip hop tend to be those where there is some sort of chemistry between the producers and rappers. Albums with one or two producers are usually always better than albums with 15 different producers on 20 tracks

Agree or Disagree?

Also what are your favorite producer/rapper combo? Mine are Organized Noize/Outkast, Common/No ID, Nas/Premier, Jay Z/Just Blaze

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  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Drake, like him or not (I don't), is making the best music, and coincidentally only works with 40, Boi 1da and T Minus most of the time. The superproducer is dying out, so rappers better start finding their sound and scoopin up these local/unknown producers.

    And I'm goin with Madvillian before this thread reaches 30 posts without one mention of them.
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  • StillFaggyAFStillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityPosts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Drake, like him or not (I don't), is making the best music, and coincidentally only works with 40, Boi 1da and T Minus most of the time. The superproducer is dying out, so rappers better start finding their sound and scoopin up these local/unknown producers.

    And I'm goin with Madvillian before this thread reaches 30 posts without one mention of them.

    i agree the superproducer is dying out, nearly every new rapper has a go to producer, Drake/40,TMinus,Boi1da, Wale/Tone P, Big Sean/No ID, Meek/Jahil, Cole/himself, ASAP Rocky/ASAP Ty Beats, Stalley/Rashad/Block Beattaz, KRIT/himself

    with that said, there is nothing wrong with branching out

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  • KameKame Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know... at the same time I like hearing rappers on productions or collabs that surprise me
    Working out of your element is an asset too IMO
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  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does not have to be in-house, but a producer or production team that understands the rapper works out.
    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
    DarthRozay
  • Bcotton5Bcotton5 Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.
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  • StillFaggyAFStillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityPosts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does not have to be in-house, but a producer or production team that understands the rapper works out.

    yeah i prolly shouldn't have used the words "inhouse"
    Kame wrote: »
    I don't know... at the same time I like hearing rappers on productions or collabs that surprise me
    Working out of your element is an asset too IMO

    but how many rappers have successfully done that with out having a base?

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  • KameKame Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.

    Maybe... I kinda think his best work was on those mixtapes where he was rapping over a whole bunch of producers beats... so it kind of makes sense that his albums would go that same way... just hasn't worked as well so far as on those tapes
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  • DMTxTHCDMTxTHC Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Agree.

    Covert Coup, Curren$y/Alchemist.
    The Greatest Story Never Told, Saigon/Just Blaze.
    Cole World: The Sideline Story, J. Cole/J. Cole.

    Those three^ are my favorite bodies of work from 2011.

    A lot of the albums that are considered classic or superior was mainly produced by one or two producers or one camp.

    AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Ice Cube/Bomb Squad/Sir Jinx.
    Death Certificate, Ice Cube/Boogiemen/Sir Jinx.
    The Infamous and Hell On Earth, Mobb Deep/Havoc.
    Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..., Raekwon and Ghostface/RZA.
    It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, DMX/P.K./Dame Grease.
    The Blueprint, Jay-Z/Just Blaze/Kanye West.
    The College Dropout, Kanye/Kanye.

    ...and my favorite rapper producer combo recently would be Saigon/Just Blaze.

    Edit: Big KRIT is someone who put out great mixtapes that's mainly produced by one producer (himself).
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  • 32DaysOfInfiniti32DaysOfInfiniti Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Generally i think the product comes out better when the producer and the artist work together and have chemistry, and not when it comes off a beat cd. Its suppose to be art. You know from the heart..

    Still though somethings are meant to happen, you never know what beat is going to trigger something in your mind & heart. It coulda been made whenever, but its still a hit when the vocals are laid. I dont think its so black and white.

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  • StillFaggyAFStillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityPosts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree.

    Covert Coup, Curren$y/Alchemist.
    The Greatest Story Never Told, Saigon/Just Blaze.
    Cole World: The Sideline Story, J. Cole/J. Cole.

    Those three^ are my favorite bodies of work from 2011.

    A lot of the albums that are considered classic or superior was mainly produced by one or two producers or one camp.

    AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Ice Cube/Bomb Squad/Sir Jinx.
    Death Certificate, Ice Cube/Boogiemen/Sir Jinx.
    The Infamous and Hell On Earth, Mobb Deep/Havoc.
    Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..., Raekwon and Ghostface/RZA.
    It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, DMX/P.K./Dame Grease.
    The Blueprint, Jay-Z/Just Blaze/Kanye West.
    The College Dropout, Kanye/Kanye.

    ...and my favorite rapper producer combo recently would be Saigon/Just Blaze.

    Edit: Big KRIT is someone who put out great mixtapes that's mainly produced by one producer (himself).

    i agree that Saigon GSNT went hard. it sounded a little outdated but still nice

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  • birdcallavelibirdcallaveli Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭✭
    theres nothing wrong with branching out, but there needs to be some kind of connection and chemistry between the artist and the producer. imo that brings out the best in the rapper and the producer.

    look at swizz beats, he got a lot of flack because when he became a super producer a lot of his beats started to sound alike. he was just sending out beat tapes with his prices and telling people to take what they could afford. but if you listen to songs with people that he has a connection with, the beats are fire. flesh of my flesh blood of my blood has some of swizzys best and most varied beats because he had that connection with x and he was actually in the studio every day, smoking blunts and doing lines of coke in between verses with x. you cant fake that kind of chemistry.
  • birdcallavelibirdcallaveli Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.

    yeah, wayne and streetrunner have some classics, i still wish they would do a full album together.
  • Black Boy KingBlack Boy King Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.
    LMAO God bless the man that believes producin for Wayne is going to reep him ANY benefits
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  • georgia boigeorgia boi Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.
  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Well, there were more songs on BP2, so it had more room to fail. If you take out a bunch of those songs, and made it a single disc, you'd have an album competing with some of Jay's best.
  • DarthRozayDarthRozay Posts: 20,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Well, there were more songs on BP2, so it had more room to fail. If you take out a bunch of those songs, and made it a single disc, you'd have an album competing with some of Jay's best.

    He said 3 dude, not 2.
  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Well, there were more songs on BP2, so it had more room to fail. If you take out a bunch of those songs, and made it a single disc, you'd have an album competing with some of Jay's best.

    He said 3 dude, not 2.

    Oh shit, I skimmed thru that. Well, my statement still applies cuz people shit on BP2 as well. Yeah, nothing can save BP3.
  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree.

    Covert Coup, Curren$y/Alchemist.
    The Greatest Story Never Told, Saigon/Just Blaze.
    Cole World: The Sideline Story, J. Cole/J. Cole.

    Those three^ are my favorite bodies of work from 2011.

    A lot of the albums that are considered classic or superior was mainly produced by one or two producers or one camp.

    AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Ice Cube/Bomb Squad/Sir Jinx.
    Death Certificate, Ice Cube/Boogiemen/Sir Jinx.
    The Infamous and Hell On Earth, Mobb Deep/Havoc.
    Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..., Raekwon and Ghostface/RZA.
    It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, DMX/P.K./Dame Grease.
    The Blueprint, Jay-Z/Just Blaze/Kanye West.
    The College Dropout, Kanye/Kanye.

    ...and my favorite rapper producer combo recently would be Saigon/Just Blaze.

    Edit: Big KRIT is someone who put out great mixtapes that's mainly produced by one producer (himself).

    Kanye has co-producers all over every single album bro

    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Stop, majority of the album was Bink, Kanye, and Just Blaze. Trackmasters, Timbaland, Eminem each are credited with ONE song each.
    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
  • StillFaggyAFStillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityPosts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Stop, majority of the album was Bink, Kanye, and Just Blaze. Trackmasters, Timbaland, Eminem each are credited with ONE song each.

    i wonder what ever happened to Bink

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    Rza / 4th & wu/killarmy
    E dub & redman
    E-swift / alkaholiks
  • TheFixTheFix Posts: 778 ✭✭✭✭
    The sound backdrop of the album gives an album cohesiveness. It's highly underrated. I believe its what makes many albums classics, it also turns marginal rappers into icons, and dope rappers into legends. Ask Snoop, and Nas respectively.
  • blackblocblackbloc Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    agree, most raper that blow usually have at least 1 producer who they helped but on and make a sound for them. no ones would be waka with southside and lex lugar ,french montana with harry fraud, meek mill with jahili beats etc..
  • damayor187damayor187 Posts: 387 ✭✭✭
    I always thought I was the only one who thought this way. Suavehouse, cashmoney, No limit, rap-alot, ruff ryders etc all had their own style and production. i hate when you buy a cd now a days and the cd is good only on certain songs because of certain producers and songs. One song might be good then the next one takes a left a left turn, because the productions style is totally different then the previous track.


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  • on1xon1x Posts: 43
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Drake, like him or not (I don't), is making the best music, and coincidentally only works with 40, Boi 1da and T Minus most of the time. The superproducer is dying out, so rappers better start finding their sound and scoopin up these local/unknown producers.

    And I'm goin with Madvillian before this thread reaches 30 posts without one mention of them.

    i agree the superproducer is dying out, nearly every new rapper has a go to producer, Drake/40,TMinus,Boi1da, Wale/Tone P, Big Sean/No ID, Meek/Jahil, Cole/himself, ASAP Rocky/ASAP Ty Beats, Stalley/Rashad/Block Beattaz, KRIT/himself

    with that said, there is nothing wrong with branching out

    of those, the only one whose production is dope is clams casino. the rest? they're cool. i guess, what i'm saying is, a lot of these inhouse producers are overrated by internet stans. there's nothing remarkable about them.
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