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  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    bambu wrote: »
    ^^^^ Again, an intoxicant is a substance that is poisonous when ingested.

    So anyone making this claim is either misinformed or bearing false witness......

    you are TOTALLY misunderstanding what meaning of intoxicant is being used here. As far as islam is concerned anything that affects your state of mind (especially in terms of praying) is haram. Marijuana alters your mind state and therefore one would NOT be able to offer salah (prayers).
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.
    as salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    thank you for your comment ta barak allah feek
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012
    husnain1 wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    Welcome back from your incarceration brother.....

    Any mention of cannabis in the Qur'an?

    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    smoking and devouring strong drink is makrooh according to the sunnah
    "Khamr" is what befogs the mind
    The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Every intoxicant is prohibited.” Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4088)

    And he (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said:

    “That which intoxicates in large quantities is prohibited in small quantities.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and others, with a sound chain of narrators)

    insha this helps

    Indeed.....

    However, the word used in the Koran itself is khamr - which means "fermented grape" - and this classification doesn't cover the use of cannabis....


    Islam has generally condemned the use of marijuana; the religion regards the use of any intoxicants as haraam. Sufism (the mystical offshoot of Islam) takes a somewhat different view. This religion believes in knowing ? through ecstatic states of mind, and widespread history of marijuana use has been recorded in Sufi culture over the centuries. Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!


    helal ottur, gunah yoktur


    this is categorically untrue. true sufism follows the sunnah and therefore would absolutely prohibit any use of intoxicants. the first sufi was not a monk called haydar. Sufism's roots go back to the time of the Prophet (saw).

    ^^ attributing sufi'ism to persians is as egregious as it sounds
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    ^^^^ Again, an intoxicant is a substance that is poisonous when ingested.

    So anyone making this claim is either misinformed or bearing false witness......

    you are TOTALLY misunderstanding what meaning of intoxicant is being used here. As far as islam is concerned anything that affects your state of mind (especially in terms of praying) is haram. Marijuana alters your mind state and therefore one would NOT be able to offer salah (prayers).

    @husnain1.....

    I think that as far as Islam is concerned, cannabis is misunderstood.....

    intoxicant =

    1. anything that causes intoxication

    — adj
    2. causing intoxication

    ***pretty vague***

    intoxicate =

    1. (of an alcoholic drink) to produce in (a person) a state ranging from euphoria to stupor, usually accompanied by loss of inhibitions and control; make ? ; inebriate
    2. to stimulate, excite, or elate so as to overwhelm
    3. (of a drug) to poison

    Etymology...

    intoxicant (n.)
    "liquor," 1863; see intoxicate......to poison," mid-15c., from M.L. intoxicatus, pp. of intoxicare "to poison," from L. in- "in" (see in- (2)) + toxicare "to poison," from toxicum "poison" (see toxic). Meaning "make ? " first recorded 1570s. Related: Intoxicated; intoxicating.

    .

    helal ottur, gunah yoktur
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    Welcome back from your incarceration brother.....

    Any mention of cannabis in the Qur'an?

    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    smoking and devouring strong drink is makrooh according to the sunnah
    "Khamr" is what befogs the mind
    The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Every intoxicant is prohibited.” Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4088)

    And he (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said:

    “That which intoxicates in large quantities is prohibited in small quantities.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and others, with a sound chain of narrators)

    insha this helps

    Indeed.....

    However, the word used in the Koran itself is khamr - which means "fermented grape" - and this classification doesn't cover the use of cannabis....


    Islam has generally condemned the use of marijuana; the religion regards the use of any intoxicants as haraam. Sufism (the mystical offshoot of Islam) takes a somewhat different view. This religion believes in knowing ? through ecstatic states of mind, and widespread history of marijuana use has been recorded in Sufi culture over the centuries. Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!


    helal ottur, gunah yoktur


    this is categorically untrue. true sufism follows the sunnah and therefore would absolutely prohibit any use of intoxicants. the first sufi was not a monk called haydar. Sufism's roots go back to the time of the Prophet (saw).

    Ok...

    Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. [/b]Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!

  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    edited July 2012
    bambu wrote: »
    husnain1 wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    ^^^^ Again, an intoxicant is a substance that is poisonous when ingested.

    So anyone making this claim is either misinformed or bearing false witness......

    you are TOTALLY misunderstanding what meaning of intoxicant is being used here. As far as islam is concerned anything that affects your state of mind (especially in terms of praying) is haram. Marijuana alters your mind state and therefore one would NOT be able to offer salah (prayers).

    @husnain1.....

    I think that as far as Islam is concerned, cannabis is misunderstood.....

    intoxicant =

    1. anything that causes intoxication

    — adj
    2. causing intoxication

    ***pretty vague***

    intoxicate =

    1. (of an alcoholic drink) to produce in (a person) a state ranging from euphoria to stupor, usually accompanied by loss of inhibitions and control; make ? ; inebriate
    2. to stimulate, excite, or elate so as to overwhelm
    3. (of a drug) to poison

    Etymology...

    intoxicant (n.)
    "liquor," 1863; see intoxicate......to poison," mid-15c., from M.L. intoxicatus, pp. of intoxicare "to poison," from L. in- "in" (see in- (2)) + toxicare "to poison," from toxicum "poison" (see toxic). Meaning "make ? " first recorded 1570s. Related: Intoxicated; intoxicating.

    .

    helal ottur, gunah yoktur

    the problem is you don't have the proper understanding of islam. cannabis is NOT misunderstood. maybe intoxicant is the wrong word being used here. however, the injunction on marijuana is not because it is considered an intoxicant. the problem here is that another poster classified marijuana as an intoxicant and you assumed islam prohibits it based on that classification. that is not the case. it is prohibited based on qiyas (duduction by analogy based on islamic principles). what i said earlier was that you were misinterpreting the meaning of intoxicant in this case. it wasnt being used in its strict medical sense but instead to provide an analogy to point to its mind altering affects which go against islam and therefore is one reason for marijuana being haram (i.e. prohibited)
  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    edited July 2012
    bambu wrote: »
    husnain1 wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    Welcome back from your incarceration brother.....

    Any mention of cannabis in the Qur'an?

    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    smoking and devouring strong drink is makrooh according to the sunnah
    "Khamr" is what befogs the mind
    The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Every intoxicant is prohibited.” Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4088)

    And he (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said:

    “That which intoxicates in large quantities is prohibited in small quantities.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and others, with a sound chain of narrators)

    insha this helps

    Indeed.....

    However, the word used in the Koran itself is khamr - which means "fermented grape" - and this classification doesn't cover the use of cannabis....


    Islam has generally condemned the use of marijuana; the religion regards the use of any intoxicants as haraam. Sufism (the mystical offshoot of Islam) takes a somewhat different view. This religion believes in knowing ? through ecstatic states of mind, and widespread history of marijuana use has been recorded in Sufi culture over the centuries. Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!


    helal ottur, gunah yoktur


    this is categorically untrue. true sufism follows the sunnah and therefore would absolutely prohibit any use of intoxicants. the first sufi was not a monk called haydar. Sufism's roots go back to the time of the Prophet (saw).

    Ok...

    Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. [/b]Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!
    bambu wrote: »
    husnain1 wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    Welcome back from your incarceration brother.....

    Any mention of cannabis in the Qur'an?

    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    smoking and devouring strong drink is makrooh according to the sunnah
    "Khamr" is what befogs the mind
    The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Every intoxicant is prohibited.” Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4088)

    And he (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said:

    “That which intoxicates in large quantities is prohibited in small quantities.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and others, with a sound chain of narrators)

    insha this helps

    Indeed.....

    However, the word used in the Koran itself is khamr - which means "fermented grape" - and this classification doesn't cover the use of cannabis....


    Islam has generally condemned the use of marijuana; the religion regards the use of any intoxicants as haraam. Sufism (the mystical offshoot of Islam) takes a somewhat different view. This religion believes in knowing ? through ecstatic states of mind, and widespread history of marijuana use has been recorded in Sufi culture over the centuries. Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!


    helal ottur, gunah yoktur


    this is categorically untrue. true sufism follows the sunnah and therefore would absolutely prohibit any use of intoxicants. the first sufi was not a monk called haydar. Sufism's roots go back to the time of the Prophet (saw).

    Ok...

    Indeed, in one Persian folk tale, the founder of Sufism, a monk called Haydar, was the first Persian to discover marijuana. [/b]Out walking in the midst of a depressed mood, he came across the marijuana plant and ate several of its leaves. Finding his mood immediately and dramatically improved, he returned to the monastery and recommended that his brother monks should try it too!

    a folk tale is a folk tale. the point was that he was not the founder of sufism and the folk tale (of which i cant find much evidence for) states he was a founder of a sufi order (these are two different things). by any token if the folk tale is true he was partaking in something that is islamically prohibited. so regardless of whether this story is true this "sufi" smoking weed doesnt give credence to marijuana being lawful (islamically)
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »

    the problem is you don't have the proper understanding of islam. cannabis is NOT misunderstood. maybe intoxicant is the wrong word being used here. however, the injunction on marijuana is not because it is considered an intoxicant. the problem here is that another poster classified marijuana as an intoxicant and you assumed islam prohibits it based on that classification. that is not the case. it is prohibited based on qiyas (duduction by analogy based on islamic principles). what i said earlier was that you were misinterpreting the meaning of intoxicant in this case. it wasnt being used in its strict medical sense but instead to provide an analogy to point to its mind altering affects which go against islam and therefore is one reason for marijuana being haram (i.e. prohibited)

    I can agree with that...

    However, the "intoxicant" issue arose out of the incorrect classification of cannabis as Khamr......

    Whatever you call it, I think that the effects of cannabis are more mind opening than mind altering.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpV6licCOMw
    husnain1 wrote: »
    a folk tale is a folk tale. the point was that he was not the founder of sufism and the folk tale (of which i cant find much evidence for) states he was a founder of a sufi order (these are two different things). by any token if the folk tale is true he was partaking in something that is islamically prohibited. so regardless of whether this story is true this "sufi" smoking weed doesnt give credence to marijuana being lawful (islamically)

    No doubt....

    I added the folk tale as "evidence" of cannabis use in Persian/Islamic history......

    Not claiming it as the "truth" or a law.......

    HOTEP.......

  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXCvnposB1k

    more context on the lies of aisha ? abu bakr
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    question habib who wrote Surat `Abasa ? and who turned there head when Abdullah bin Umm Maktum, a blind man convened at the gathering in mecca ?
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012
    ..
    bambu wrote: »
    husnain1 wrote: »

    the problem is you don't have the proper understanding of islam. cannabis is NOT misunderstood. maybe intoxicant is the wrong word being used here. however, the injunction on marijuana is not because it is considered an intoxicant. the problem here is that another poster classified marijuana as an intoxicant and you assumed islam prohibits it based on that classification. that is not the case. it is prohibited based on qiyas (duduction by analogy based on islamic principles). what i said earlier was that you were misinterpreting the meaning of intoxicant in this case. it wasnt being used in its strict medical sense but instead to provide an analogy to point to its mind altering affects which go against islam and therefore is one reason for marijuana being haram (i.e. prohibited)

    I can agree with that...

    However, the "intoxicant" issue arose out of the incorrect classification of cannabis as Khamr......

    Whatever you call it, I think that the effects of cannabis are more mind opening than mind altering.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpV6licCOMw
    husnain1 wrote: »
    a folk tale is a folk tale. the point was that he was not the founder of sufism and the folk tale (of which i cant find much evidence for) states he was a founder of a sufi order (these are two different things). by any token if the folk tale is true he was partaking in something that is islamically prohibited. so regardless of whether this story is true this "sufi" smoking weed doesnt give credence to marijuana being lawful (islamically)

    No doubt....

    I added the folk tale as "evidence" of cannabis use in Persian/Islamic history......

    Not claiming it as the "truth" or a law.......

    HOTEP.......
    where did you study arabic?? how have you determined i documented khamr incorrectly?? even after your OWN SOURCE corrected you?
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    ^^^^ easy brother.....

    I made no accusations directed at you......

    I think the issue of khamr and cannabis was clarified thoroughly....

    I do not speak arabic... So you should provide translations where necessary......

    One may take a statement that cannot be easily translated as a sign of disrespect................

    HOTEP......
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

    haha ^ yes forgive me i was not trying to turn usman into author of quran i can see how than can be mis interpreted


  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

    haha ^ yes forgive me i was not trying to turn usman into author of quran i can see how than can be mis interpreted


    yes i was demonstrating the abyss of difference in approaches to its publishing and that the quran didnt fall from heaven and if it did it went thru a very earthly journey before and after its publishing

  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    yes ^ jzk alaah khair
  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

    can't prove what? there is AMPLE evidence out there to prove it. im not trying to be rude here but i feel you have a gross misunderstanding of this subject at least it appears that way
  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    question habib who wrote Surat `Abasa ? and who turned there head when Abdullah bin Umm Maktum, a blind man convened at the gathering in mecca ?

    forgive me but what are you talking about here? as for the surah it comes from Allah swt (just like the rest)
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012
    husnain1 wrote: »
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

    can't prove what? there is AMPLE evidence out there to prove it. im not trying to be rude here but i feel you have a gross misunderstanding of this subject at least it appears that way

    jzk allah khair
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012

    may allah guide us insha allah
  • lostsamuraisotaku
    lostsamuraisotaku Members Posts: 807 ✭✭
    edited July 2012
    sobek wrote: »
    I got 2 questions. And by no means is this an attack of any kind. Just questions.

    1. If Muhammad was truly a man ? , then why was he married to a child ( Aisha) when she 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9?

    2. Why is slavery and sex slavery allowed?

    There are some other questions I have, but these were the first off the top of my head

    Peace

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXCvnposB1k
    more context on the lies of aisha ? abu bakr
  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    husnain1 wrote: »
    husnain1 wrote: »
    salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

    the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

    those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

    you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

    can't prove what? there is AMPLE evidence out there to prove it. im not trying to be rude here but i feel you have a gross misunderstanding of this subject at least it appears that way



    bro are you shia?
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    لكن، منذ كنت تريد أن تكون مستمرة

    Khamr is the drink prohibited in the Koran. The word khamr is derived from the verb khamara means it veiled or covered or concealed a thing, and wine is called khamr because it veils and shrouds the intellect of man. The word khamr occurs six times in the Koran, once in subjective case (5:90), twice in objective case (12:36, 41) and thrice in genitive case (2:219, 5:91, 47:15).

    Khamr is differently explained as meaning what intoxicates, of the expressed juice of grapes, or the juice of grapes when it has effervesced and thrown up froth and become freed therefrom and still, or it has common application to intoxicating expressed juice of anything, or any intoxicating thing that clouds or obscures the intellect.

    القنب لا كل ضمن هذه الفئة

    Cannabis does not fit into this classification......
  • husnain1
    husnain1 Members Posts: 87
    bambu wrote: »
    لكن، منذ كنت تريد أن تكون مستمرة

    Khamr is the drink prohibited in the Koran. The word khamr is derived from the verb khamara means it veiled or covered or concealed a thing, and wine is called khamr because it veils and shrouds the intellect of man. The word khamr occurs six times in the Koran, once in subjective case (5:90), twice in objective case (12:36, 41) and thrice in genitive case (2:219, 5:91, 47:15).

    Khamr is differently explained as meaning what intoxicates, of the expressed juice of grapes, or the juice of grapes when it has effervesced and thrown up froth and become freed therefrom and still, or it has common application to intoxicating expressed juice of anything, or any intoxicating thing that clouds or obscures the intellect.

    القنب لا كل ضمن هذه الفئة

    Cannabis does not fit into this classification......

    bro u do realize cannabis has many different effects some of which could be classified under intoxicants. idk if u are muslim or not but u seem to be missing the point. alcohol suppresses many brain functions and does not allow one to think clearly similarly marijuana affects brain function and does not allow one to think clearly therefore both would be haram because one could not pray in such a state. you keep using this strict sense of intoxication not realizing that intoxication has different meanings and can be used in different ways.
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a Muslim, just a staunch defender of cannabis....

    Semantics....

    Cannabis does not share any similarities with alcohol..........
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