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  • usmarin3
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    LOL at Kevin Love being ranked that high, dude is just putting up stats on a ? team. No way in hell is Love better than Wade or Melo.
  • MC The Rapper
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    blu197 wrote: »
    ^^^ ? there are 2 teams in L.A and other cities that are just as good ? outta here with that "they're only there ? it's la" ?

    also for winning you should know the lakers have been in about half of the NBA finals in league history . ? in the

    Jerry west era they went to 9 finals. That lakers legacy way before kobe bryant
  • DR. JEK
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    Kevin love should be like 15th. What the ? are these guys thinking? A perinial loser gets to get picked over Gasol, over Duncan...shm phshhhhh!!! Extra bogus

    Number 1 in rebounding number 3 in scoring. If they went by what people's teams did last season Rondo,Duncan Wade , Westbrook would be top ten just off what they did in the playoffs. This is an individual ranking.


    He just seem like a stat stuffer. Im not sayin he aint good but I feel he's like the 4th guy that comes to mind at his own Position so How is he ahead of Rondo and Dirk? All Rondo is missin is a legit 12 to 18 foot J and this ? will be unfuckwitable. These guys stat stuffing also tranlated to some Playoff success, It's just crazy man....you know it!
  • DR. JEK
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    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.

    thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself

    **nice Edit*** btw lol

    Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic

    yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.

    He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .

    When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you ? know how to keep the comedy going. ? got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO
  • DR. JEK
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    DaBull wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning

    its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.

    to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**

    I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the

    team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots .
    Oh and this ? has lost games

    trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker

    franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always

    been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening


    Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.

  • MC The Rapper
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning

    its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.

    to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**

    I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the

    team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots .
    Oh and this ? has lost games

    trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker

    franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always

    been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening


    Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.

    hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different ? this year's exits to the thunder says different.
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.

    thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself

    **nice Edit*** btw lol

    Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic

    yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.

    He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .

    When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you ? know how to keep the comedy going. ? got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO

    he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even

    know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also

    there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm

    and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something
  • woah316
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    here is sports nation rankings (everyone voting in united states on espn)

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/8428065/nba-top-player


    Rondo in top 10... like he SHOULD be...


    1.LeBron James

    2.Kevin Durant

    3.Dwight Howard

    4.Kobe Bryant

    5.Chris Paul

    6.Derrick Rose

    7.Dwyane Wade

    8.Dirk Nowitzki

    9.Rajon Rondo

    10.Kevin Love

    11.Russell Westbrook

    12.Deron Williams

    13.Carmelo Anthony

    14.Andrew Bynum

    15.Blake Griffin

    16.Pau Gasol

    17.Chris Bosh

    18.Tony Parker

    19.Steve Nash

    20.LaMarcus Aldridge
  • woah316
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    one thing that bothers me is I think chris bosh is BLATANTLY better than Pau Gasol... is there anyone here that would disagree with that?
  • DR. JEK
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning

    its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.

    to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**

    I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the

    team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots .
    Oh and this ? has lost games

    trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker

    franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always

    been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening


    Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.

    hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different ? this year's exits to the thunder says different.
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.

    thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself

    **nice Edit*** btw lol

    Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic

    yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.

    He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .

    When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you ? know how to keep the comedy going. ? got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO

    he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even

    know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also

    there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm

    and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something


    I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow ? down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" ? . In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of ? what would you have done?

    Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a ? when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?
  • MC The Rapper
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning

    its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.

    to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**

    I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the

    team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots .
    Oh and this ? has lost games

    trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker

    franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always

    been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening


    Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.

    hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different ? this year's exits to the thunder says different.
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.

    thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself

    **nice Edit*** btw lol

    Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic

    yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.

    He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .

    When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you ? know how to keep the comedy going. ? got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO

    he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even

    know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also

    there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm

    and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something


    I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow ? down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" ? . In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of ? what would you have done?

    Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a ? when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?

    Word that ? that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get

    your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even

    pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked

    them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers

    offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball

    with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should

    have been on the offensive glass."
  • jayhi22
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    woah316 wrote: »
    one thing that bothers me is I think chris bosh is BLATANTLY better than Pau Gasol... is there anyone here that would disagree with that?

    Bosh is better, but it's not a huge gap. If Bosh is a 85 (on a 2K Scale lol), Pau is an 83.

    People still call Pau "The Most Skilled Big Man" in the league.

    BUT...Seeing Bosh hit big shots the playoffs/Finals... And seeing Pau do this ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD44rJwe5ng

    Smh... Lost a lot of respect for him after that game
  • woah316
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    @jayhi22

    It took you THAT long?


    I lost respect for him when he left kobe for dead in the finals in 2008 vs the celtics....



    Yall ? dont realize this man is a walking bipolar player for at least the last 4 years.. (never watched him in memphis)... but yall want him in the hall of fame? LOL
  • jayhi22
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    woah316 wrote: »
    @jayhi22

    It took you THAT long?


    I lost respect for him when he left kobe for dead in the finals in 2008 vs the celtics....



    Yall ? dont realize this man is a walking bipolar player for at least the last 4 years.. (never watched him in memphis)... but yall want him in the hall of fame? LOL

    LOL! Being bipolar doesn't mean he's not good. He just don't want it at the end of games when ? gets tough. I mean, he did somewhat redeem himself in 09 and 2010. + He had a pretty good game/stretch in the Gold Medal game when it looked like USA was getting ready to blow the game open.

    HOF for Pau? Yes.. He's accomplished too much in his entire basketball career, and done a lot for expanding basketball beyond the US. That's why he'll get in pretty damn easy.
  • blu197
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning

    its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.

    to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**

    I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the

    team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots .
    Oh and this ? has lost games

    trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker

    franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always

    been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening


    Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.

    hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different ? this year's exits to the thunder says different.
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.

    thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself

    **nice Edit*** btw lol

    Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic

    yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.

    He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .

    When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you ? know how to keep the comedy going. ? got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO

    he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even

    know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also

    there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm

    and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something


    I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow ? down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" ? . In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of ? what would you have done?

    Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a ? when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?

    Word that ? that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get

    your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even

    pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked

    them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers

    offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball

    with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should

    have been on the offensive glass."

    You do know Kobe has led the lakers in assists for a handful of seasons so why are u actin like nobody gets touches??? Kobe was only really hoggin from 04-07 which was the only way for the lakers to win with the sorry rosters they had during those years
  • DaBull
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah my bad, i spelled the coach name wrong i meant westhead!!! i agree that magic is a better leader but he is also a PG so i agree he is a better leader because he had the floor general instincts naturally from beginning

    its also true that magic was a better leader than Kareem because he was more vocal and a better leader than jordan because he didnt berate or punch teammates in the face, but neither of that means he was a better basketball player than either one of them, same applys for kobe.

    to your 2nd point, have you ever heard of the 1984 finals????? magic literally choked away the finals, just let time expire, it gets no worse than that. the true definition of losing ur team da chip. but he recovered, it happens...**shrug**

    I meant with a good performance Kobe will lose you a game with a good performance. Having a bad game and the

    team losing is one thing but losing a game after you chuck up about 25-30 shots .
    Oh and this ? has lost games

    trying to prove a point . Like dawg stats is one thing intangibles is another compared to the greats in the Laker

    franchise he should be at the bottom of the list . As far as free agents wanting to go to the lakers that has always

    been the case . Its los angeles if they were still in minnepolis that wouldn't be happening


    Ummm .......I think you got him confused With Carmelo. Kobe has actually won trophies while puttin up numbers.

    hahaha that phoenix series says different 04 finals says different ? this year's exits to the thunder says different.
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    you are just a funny online cat..lol you been mad ever since i sonned you way back in that magic (greatest laker) thread, had you makin up stats and awards about magic talking about how he had 7 mvps and what not cuz i was destroying you wit facts....dag bruh just take the L and move on.

    thats y you pick on these low bball IQ cats in other debates so you can attempt to appear to be improving in the bball IQ department. all my opinions cause you to overcompensate but in a serious bball discussion i stay owning you, stick 2 pickin on them other casual bball fans instead of a historian such as myself

    **nice Edit*** btw lol

    Wait a minute you actually think that Kobe is a better Laker than Magic

    yes, you bring up the teammate thing like magic aint curse out Vlade all the time and even get paul westpaul fired as coach. man ya'll need to know the game instead of havin vendetta's against certain players. every superstar is demanding, thats how you win.

    He got paul westhead fired too but Magic was a better leader as well . Kobe bryant is the only player I ever seen lose teams championships, and playoff series .

    When Magic cusses out a teamate he's a great leader. When Kobe cusses out a teamate for the same exact things magic did his teamates he's a bad teamate...you ? know how to keep the comedy going. ? got 5 rangs and he said Kobe loses teams chips and playoff series LMAO

    he does and do you even know why Magic and Westhead had beef probably not the other muthafucka didn't even

    know his name . How y'all claim to be laker fans and don't even know the history of the franchise is beyond me . Also

    there's a difference between a Chucker telling you something after he's taken the whole team out of offensive rhythm

    and the Point Guard who is a willing passer telling you something


    I know that Paul westhead wanted to slow ? down and run the offense through Kareem more and Magic Johnson had different agendas. Magic Johnson was a high octane fast point guard who wanted to drop dimes on the fast break so he wasn't. Having fun anymore. Talk to somebody else. With that "you don't even know why westhead got fired" ? . In hindsight when Magic go to buss like" fire him or trade me type of ? what would you have done?

    Anyways I don't See what that situation has To do with kobe being an alpha dog leader. He stuck up for Paul, stuck up for Bynum, criticized paul for playin like a ? when he did. Criticized bynum for not steppin up, coached the team better than mike brown when he was hurt I mean wtf?

    Word that ? that can't even run a offense without chucking . Everybody and they momma know you have to get

    your teammates involved in the offense. How can somebody criticize his teammates for not stepping up and won't even

    pass them the ball . Its the psychology of the game. Somebody Brought up the Paul Westhead incident and rebuked

    them they didn't know dudes name and I'm going rebuked you too . The Westhead situation was about the Lakers

    offense being predictable not just because they wanted to run the offense thru Kareem . I would hate to play ball

    with any of you Laker fans . Y'all shoot us out the game than look at me like I did something wrong . "Like you should

    have been on the offensive glass."

    aww ? stop capin. so what i aint know that old white manz name. point is you act like other players werent doin selfish stuff and i brought up Magic gettin his coach fired. then you gave a wack excuse that "its ok for a willing passer to be a bad teammate" thats a dumb nikka logic.

    i guess its OK to be a criminal if you go to church twice a week??? point is all superstars do the same thing. only difference is how the media portrays them to us. Magic always was smiling and the white folks loved him which is why he is regarded so high. Fact is he was fortunate to play with the GOAT is whole career as evidenced by the lack of titles he won once Kareem retired.

    no player has benefited more from being in LA than Magic.....#fact
  • ATTS
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    ESPN #NBARank 6-10:

    10. Deron Williams
    9. Russell Westbrook
    8. Dwyane Wade

    7. Kevin Love
    6. Kobe Bryant


    kobe will be heated again......but I agree with this ESPN rank of 6-10
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    They already ranked the Top 5

    5. Rose
    4. CP3
    3. Dwight
    2. KD
    1. LBJ

    With the players they had left, can't really argue it
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    jayhi22 wrote: »
    They already ranked the Top 5

    5. Rose
    4. CP3
    3. Dwight
    2. KD
    1. LBJ

    With the players they had left, can't really argue it


    All the dumb ? saying dwight not a top 3 player in that other thread.... I think he's 2nd only to lebron and has proven that.


    Can you imagine dwight with:


    C - Dwight
    PF - Ibaka
    SF - Sefalosa
    SG - whoever
    PG - Westbrook


    Harden off bench... Or can make him a start...


    I honestly don't think anyone is beating that team.. They would've at least done better than 1 win vs Miami. KD is good, but dwight overall has more impact on the team, period.
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    lol @ taking the best scorer off a team lacking scorers and thinking they get better

    common sense aint so common
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    R.D. wrote: »
    lol @ taking the best scorer off a team lacking scorers and thinking they get better

    common sense aint so common


    Oh... All you are doing is adding the best defensive player in the *slaps face* .....last 5 years... Yea, that aint ? .


    You're a ? idiot.

    You have Dwight / Ibaka the 2 best shot blockers in the league. Sefalosha... You basically now have the top 3 defenders at their position.

    You add harden to the starting line up.... Harden + dwight's offense >>>>> Durant's + Kendrick perkins (lol) offense


    So now all you end up with is a MUCHHH better defense and rebounding, and a weaker bench...


    MUCHHH better defense and rebounding >>> better bench.


    You right, common sense aint so common.

    Hit me up anytime you need to be schooled on the game lil homie.
  • DR. JEK
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    ? dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as ? ) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, ? got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this ? dont even make any sence.
  • blu197
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    ? dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as ? ) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, ? got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this ? dont even make any sence.

    Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated
  • woah316
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    blu197 wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    ? dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as ? ) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, ? got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this ? dont even make any sence.

    Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated

    Honestly... Melo needs to improve his leadership skills... And he's never really went anywhere...

    I guess when you compare him DIRECTLY to durant, and the fact that he can create his own shot and post up, while durant can't... maybe he's underated.. But at the same time, durant is overatted to me... So with that said I don't think melo is underrated...

    He's just a scorer, nothing else... If he had KG type will to win, he'd be top 5.. He just doesn't all the time, flat out..
  • DR. JEK
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    woah316 wrote: »
    blu197 wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    ? dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as ? ) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, ? got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this ? dont even make any sence.

    Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated

    Honestly... Melo needs to improve his leadership skills... And he's never really went anywhere...
    I guess when you compare him DIRECTLY to durant, and the fact that he can create his own shot and post up, while durant can't... maybe he's underated.. But at the same time, durant is overatted to me... So with that said I don't think melo is underrated...

    He's just a scorer, nothing else... If he had KG type will to win, he'd be top 5.. He just doesn't all the time, flat out..

    @ the Bolded I would except that If they didn't put kevin Love in at 7. Kevin Love aint never led his team to nothing either. Atleast Melo went to the Western conference Finals once. Melo Offensively i cant think of more than 3 guys better than him, so for him to not even atleast be 10-15 (even tho he belongs in the top 10 imo) is just crazy. Aint no excuse for it.
  • blu197
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    DR. JEK wrote: »
    woah316 wrote: »
    blu197 wrote: »
    DR. JEK wrote: »
    ? dont evenhave Melo in the top 15 (which is crazy as ? ) and Love at number 7. I cant take this Espn poll serious at all. Last year they had Kobe at number 7 and gonna act like they threw him a bone by making him 6 this year when he really belongs at anywhere from 3 to 5. Im not sure Westbrook is better than Deron Williams, ? got Dirk at 11. After Dallas won the finals which was not long ago I know there was alotta peopkle saying Dirk was the best player, now he's 11? ok I mean this ? dont even make any sence.

    Word, how do not have the 3rd best SF (some nights play like the 2nd best) not in the top 10.... Melo is underrated

    Honestly... Melo needs to improve his leadership skills... And he's never really went anywhere...
    I guess when you compare him DIRECTLY to durant, and the fact that he can create his own shot and post up, while durant can't... maybe he's underated.. But at the same time, durant is overatted to me... So with that said I don't think melo is underrated...

    He's just a scorer, nothing else... If he had KG type will to win, he'd be top 5.. He just doesn't all the time, flat out..

    @ the Bolded I would except that If they didn't put kevin Love in at 7. Kevin Love aint never led his team to nothing either. Atleast Melo went to the Western conference Finals once. Melo Offensively i cant think of more than 3 guys better than him, so for him to not even atleast be 10-15 (even tho he belongs in the top 10 imo) is just crazy. Aint no excuse for it.

    C/s atleast melo leads his team to the playoffs every year, love can't even get a 8th seed, I know the west is tougher conference but melo played in the west 80% of his career and still made playoffs