Silver Surfer VS Superman?
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In metropolis and written by DC supes 7/10
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Surfer never does any of that ? currently.nawledge_? wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »Surfer never goes intangible never created sun energy and never uses cosmic awareness to predict attacks...rarely....supes could stop turn time back to when surfer was still Norrin. Supes stomps
Silver Age Supes Maybe But Not Current Superman Pre-Flashpoint/New 52...What The ? You Been Reading?
And Surfer Has The Abilities To Do Those Things...Energy Manipulation Cosmic Awareness Telepathy Create Blackholes Etc
I still say surfer 7/10 -
DrMindbender122 wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »Surfer never goes intangible never created sun energy and never uses cosmic awareness to predict attacks...rarely....supes could stop turn time back to when surfer was still Norrin. Supes stomps
The Surfer has limited time travel capabilities. He technically can be powered by the same energy source that Supes is powered by. He also has some transmutation capabilities. He can do damn near all that Supes can and more.
Sorry, but the Surfer takes this one 9/10, if written correctly and going strictly offa these characters' power sets.
I agree but I say 7/10 I just don't see it as a stomp
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evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Surfer stomps with ease. He's more durable, faster, has waay more powers, can absorb the energy i Supes and leave him powerless, and can even be physically stronger if he feels like it. Nothing Supes can do can hurt him
Supes could hurt him. He would give surfer hell...wouldn't give him a guarantee victory at all but he would give him a fight.
Supes has never had his powers absorbed.
And this matters why? Surfer can absorb solar energy from people's bodies. He has cosmic awareness aka knows his opponent's weakness. When he looks at Supes and sees a solar battery, he'll simply drain him and win.
If he decides not to, Supes still can't hurt him the same way Hulk can't. Surfer can tank Supernovas exploding on him without a scratch. Supes isn't stronger than a Supernova. And cosmic energy>>Supes durability by far.
It matters because you said surfer stomps.
Supes took all of hulks punches without flinching. He lifted 20quintillion pounds.
Runs faster than flash and he moved all the planets at once. Lol
He held a blackhole in his hands. He tanked a supernova.
He absorbs energy and gets stronger. This is crazy. Supes is the ? . Why is Surfer so untouchable to most? He is great but to say he stomps Supes who has incarnations that can stop time and absorb energy is baffling.
He's nowhere near faster than flash, that's just plain false. But you know who is? Surfer.
He took a weak Hulk's punches without flinching, you know who else did? Surfer
He lifted 2 quintillion tons, Surfer has potentially unlimited strength.
He held something that wasn't quite a black hole in his hand with difficulty, Surfer creates it by fighting sometimes and can do it with ease.
He absorbs Solar energy only, and only yellow and blue solar energy. Surfer absorbs all energy including Big Bang caliber energy. And Surfer can time travel as well with ease.
Surfer wins however you slice it.
Using abilities to highest level, Surfer stomps.
Personality? Supes tries to tank everything Surfer shoots at him, Surfer being very pacifistic, simply drains him of his energy or restrains him, and Supes does nothing cause in character he doesn't use most of his powers either.
Bloodlusted? Surfer rapes him and his whole race with a newly created mega Red Star right next to him, while simultaneously draining him and torturing him on a molecular level. -
The Silver Surfer would body supes so bad Campbell's would file a lawsuit against Marvel
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I want to say Silver Surfer. It seems like DC has jacked Superman's powers up every year since he was created.
I say Silver Surfer outlasts him. He'd take his ass into outer space and beat the oxygen out of him. -
evoljeanyes wrote: »
Surfer never does any of that ? currently.nawledge_? wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »Surfer never goes intangible never created sun energy and never uses cosmic awareness to predict attacks...rarely....supes could stop turn time back to when surfer was still Norrin. Supes stomps
Silver Age Supes Maybe But Not Current Superman Pre-Flashpoint/New 52...What The ? You Been Reading?
And Surfer Has The Abilities To Do Those Things...Energy Manipulation Cosmic Awareness Telepathy Create Blackholes Etc
I still say surfer 7/10
Surfer does still do this -
DarkRaiden wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Surfer stomps with ease. He's more durable, faster, has waay more powers, can absorb the energy i Supes and leave him powerless, and can even be physically stronger if he feels like it. Nothing Supes can do can hurt him
Supes could hurt him. He would give surfer hell...wouldn't give him a guarantee victory at all but he would give him a fight.
Supes has never had his powers absorbed.
And this matters why? Surfer can absorb solar energy from people's bodies. He has cosmic awareness aka knows his opponent's weakness. When he looks at Supes and sees a solar battery, he'll simply drain him and win.
If he decides not to, Supes still can't hurt him the same way Hulk can't. Surfer can tank Supernovas exploding on him without a scratch. Supes isn't stronger than a Supernova. And cosmic energy>>Supes durability by far.
It matters because you said surfer stomps.
Supes took all of hulks punches without flinching. He lifted 20quintillion pounds.
Runs faster than flash and he moved all the planets at once. Lol
He held a blackhole in his hands. He tanked a supernova.
He absorbs energy and gets stronger. This is crazy. Supes is the ? . Why is Surfer so untouchable to most? He is great but to say he stomps Supes who has incarnations that can stop time and absorb energy is baffling.
He's nowhere near faster than flash, that's just plain false. But you know who is? Surfer.
He took a weak Hulk's punches without flinching, you know who else did? Surfer
He lifted 2 quintillion tons, Surfer has potentially unlimited strength.
He held something that wasn't quite a black hole in his hand with difficulty, Surfer creates it by fighting sometimes and can do it with ease.
He absorbs Solar energy only, and only yellow and blue solar energy. Surfer absorbs all energy including Big Bang caliber energy. And Surfer can time travel as well with ease.
Surfer wins however you slice it.
Using abilities to highest level, Surfer stomps.
Personality? Supes tries to tank everything Surfer shoots at him, Surfer being very pacifistic, simply drains him of his energy or restrains him, and Supes does nothing cause in character he doesn't use most of his powers either.
Bloodlusted? Surfer rapes him and his whole race with a newly created mega Red Star right next to him, while simultaneously draining him and torturing him on a molecular level.
Bruh...surfer wouldn't have time to do any if that while supes was dropping him with 100,000 punches per second like he was a got damn statue. Bloodlusted Supes for the win...surfer reaction time is regular -
Surfur wins easily
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Surfer has more powerful friends
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As much as I prefer Surfer over Superman, some of you are delusional. Surfer is not a fighter even at his most resolute. If he and Superman were to get into straight up fight, Superman would curbstomp Surfer the same way Thor usually does. Fact of the matter is Superman is a better fighter and knows how to apply his powers better to combat.
That said, they'd never make it to a straight up fight because Surfer would just drain the solar energy out of Superman like he did with Hulk's gamma energy or attack him with red sun radiation like he threatened to do with Gladiator who also has some form of energy spectrum weakness. -
false. The Surfer can fight..he just chooses to be a pacifist based on his nature as a scientist and the billions of deaths he's responsible for..The Surfer was able to manhandle the Hulk and the Warbound in straight hth. When he wants to fight, he will end you..see Morg, Firelord, Super Skrull, Midnight Sun, Ravenous, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill and several others. He holds back more than alot of heroes. He will actually allow someone to pound on him before ? get real..Unless Superman has an enchanted hammer similar to Mjolnir, there will be no curb stomping, hell there's no curbstomping when Thor fights him..Superman is as much of a fighter as any other top tier not named Adam Warlock or Wonder Woman..in other words, his fighting skills are moot and won't even be a factor in a fightThe Lonious Monk wrote: »As much as I prefer Surfer over Superman, some of you are delusional. Surfer is not a fighter even at his most resolute. If he and Superman were to get into straight up fight, Superman would curbstomp Surfer the same way Thor usually does. Fact of the matter is Superman is a better fighter and knows how to apply his powers better to combat.
That said, they'd never make it to a straight up fight because Surfer would just drain the solar energy out of Superman like he did with Hulk's gamma energy or attack him with red sun radiation like he threatened to do with Gladiator who also has some form of energy spectrum weakness.
I don't reference non canon stories, but have you seen the Superman/Surfer crossover? Superman was in awe of the Surfer's power. DC wouldn't let the boy scout fight the Surfer in that book because they knew what time it was. DC doesn't usually show Marvel folks respect but they did with Surfer and Galactus -
evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Surfer stomps with ease. He's more durable, faster, has waay more powers, can absorb the energy i Supes and leave him powerless, and can even be physically stronger if he feels like it. Nothing Supes can do can hurt him
Supes could hurt him. He would give surfer hell...wouldn't give him a guarantee victory at all but he would give him a fight.
Supes has never had his powers absorbed.
And this matters why? Surfer can absorb solar energy from people's bodies. He has cosmic awareness aka knows his opponent's weakness. When he looks at Supes and sees a solar battery, he'll simply drain him and win.
If he decides not to, Supes still can't hurt him the same way Hulk can't. Surfer can tank Supernovas exploding on him without a scratch. Supes isn't stronger than a Supernova. And cosmic energy>>Supes durability by far.
It matters because you said surfer stomps.
Supes took all of hulks punches without flinching. He lifted 20quintillion pounds.
Runs faster than flash and he moved all the planets at once. Lol
He held a blackhole in his hands. He tanked a supernova.
He absorbs energy and gets stronger. This is crazy. Supes is the ? . Why is Surfer so untouchable to most? He is great but to say he stomps Supes who has incarnations that can stop time and absorb energy is baffling.
He's nowhere near faster than flash, that's just plain false. But you know who is? Surfer.
He took a weak Hulk's punches without flinching, you know who else did? Surfer
He lifted 2 quintillion tons, Surfer has potentially unlimited strength.
He held something that wasn't quite a black hole in his hand with difficulty, Surfer creates it by fighting sometimes and can do it with ease.
He absorbs Solar energy only, and only yellow and blue solar energy. Surfer absorbs all energy including Big Bang caliber energy. And Surfer can time travel as well with ease.
Surfer wins however you slice it.
Using abilities to highest level, Surfer stomps.
Personality? Supes tries to tank everything Surfer shoots at him, Surfer being very pacifistic, simply drains him of his energy or restrains him, and Supes does nothing cause in character he doesn't use most of his powers either.
Bloodlusted? Surfer rapes him and his whole race with a newly created mega Red Star right next to him, while simultaneously draining him and torturing him on a molecular level.
Bruh...surfer wouldn't have time to do any if that while supes was dropping him with 100,000 punches per second like he was a got damn statue. Bloodlusted Supes for the win...surfer reaction time is regular
Bruh....Surfer can react and move at faster than 400x light speeds. Supes ain't landing none of those punches. And if he does, they ain't striking with the force of a Supernova, he ain't feeling em. Surfer will continue manhandling Supes however he wants. -
Surfer Got Too Many Weapons At His Disposal Too Much Versatility For A Brawler Like Superman To Take Him Out
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Physical attacks really aint gonna do ? to Surfer, and heat eye beams would tickle Surfer
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false. The Surfer can fight..he just chooses to be a pacifist based on his nature as a scientist and the billions of deaths he's responsible for..The Surfer was able to manhandle the Hulk and the Warbound in straight hth. When he wants to fight, he will end you..see Morg, Firelord, Super Skrull, Midnight Sun, Ravenous, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill and several others. He holds back more than alot of heroes. He will actually allow someone to pound on him before ? get real..Unless Superman has an enchanted hammer similar to Mjolnir, there will be no curb stomping, hell there's no curbstomping when Thor fights him..Superman is as much of a fighter as any other top tier not named Adam Warlock or Wonder Woman..in other words, his fighting skills are moot and won't even be a factor in a fightThe Lonious Monk wrote: »As much as I prefer Surfer over Superman, some of you are delusional. Surfer is not a fighter even at his most resolute. If he and Superman were to get into straight up fight, Superman would curbstomp Surfer the same way Thor usually does. Fact of the matter is Superman is a better fighter and knows how to apply his powers better to combat.
That said, they'd never make it to a straight up fight because Surfer would just drain the solar energy out of Superman like he did with Hulk's gamma energy or attack him with red sun radiation like he threatened to do with Gladiator who also has some form of energy spectrum weakness.
I don't reference non canon stories, but have you seen the Superman/Surfer crossover? Superman was in awe of the Surfer's power. DC wouldn't let the boy scout fight the Surfer in that book because they knew what time it was. DC doesn't usually show Marvel folks respect but they did with Surfer and Galactus
Surfer is canonically the most powerful herald (not counting Tyrant), so him beating up a bunch of weaker heralds means nothing. I never said, Surfer can't fight. But he's not a true warrior like Thor, so when he's matched up against someone who has similar power or can withstand his power he doesn't fare as well. Say what you want about Superman but his strength, durability, speed, etc... are basically DEM. They are as high as the writer wants them to be and that basically translates out to Superman being unbeatable except under certain conditions. Surfer has tons of power at his disposal, but most of his fights usually turn into him rushing in with blasts and trying to fight melee style. Sorry, but he's not beating Superman like that. The reason he beats Superman is because Superman has weaknesses that would be obvious to Surfer and also easily exploitable. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »
false. The Surfer can fight..he just chooses to be a pacifist based on his nature as a scientist and the billions of deaths he's responsible for..The Surfer was able to manhandle the Hulk and the Warbound in straight hth. When he wants to fight, he will end you..see Morg, Firelord, Super Skrull, Midnight Sun, Ravenous, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill and several others. He holds back more than alot of heroes. He will actually allow someone to pound on him before ? get real..Unless Superman has an enchanted hammer similar to Mjolnir, there will be no curb stomping, hell there's no curbstomping when Thor fights him..Superman is as much of a fighter as any other top tier not named Adam Warlock or Wonder Woman..in other words, his fighting skills are moot and won't even be a factor in a fightThe Lonious Monk wrote: »As much as I prefer Surfer over Superman, some of you are delusional. Surfer is not a fighter even at his most resolute. If he and Superman were to get into straight up fight, Superman would curbstomp Surfer the same way Thor usually does. Fact of the matter is Superman is a better fighter and knows how to apply his powers better to combat.
That said, they'd never make it to a straight up fight because Surfer would just drain the solar energy out of Superman like he did with Hulk's gamma energy or attack him with red sun radiation like he threatened to do with Gladiator who also has some form of energy spectrum weakness.
I don't reference non canon stories, but have you seen the Superman/Surfer crossover? Superman was in awe of the Surfer's power. DC wouldn't let the boy scout fight the Surfer in that book because they knew what time it was. DC doesn't usually show Marvel folks respect but they did with Surfer and Galactus
Surfer is canonically the most powerful herald (not counting Tyrant), so him beating up a bunch of weaker heralds means nothing. I never said, Surfer can't fight. But he's not a true warrior like Thor, so when he's matched up against someone who has similar power or can withstand his power he doesn't fare as well. Say what you want about Superman but his strength, durability, speed, etc... are basically DEM. They are as high as the writer wants them to be and that basically translates out to Superman being unbeatable except under certain conditions. Surfer has tons of power at his disposal, but most of his fights usually turn into him rushing in with blasts and trying to fight melee style. Sorry, but he's not beating Superman like that. The reason he beats Superman is because Superman has weaknesses that would be obvious to Surfer and also easily exploitable.
First, Tyrant isn't a herald and are you saying Morg is weak? What about the others I listed??? Are they weak as well? I'm pretty sure all of the Heralds would give Superman a good fight if not outright beat him. Surfer being a true warrior is irrelevant considering Superman isn't a true warrior. He's a regular top tier brick like so many others. Please list the people with similar powers or whom can withstand his power that he's had trouble with...I'll wait...Thor has mjolnir, what does Superman have? Superman's durability and speed are below the Surfer's..strength is arguable considering the Surfer can amp himself to enraged Hulk levels....your reasoning can be used for any character in the history of comics..oh look Thor had trouble with Air Walker in their first meeting, but in the second encounter, he threw mjolnir right through him..that kind of thing happens all the time in comics (Spidey/Firelord comes to mind). Of course a writer has the ability to glorify a character..that's what's happening with the Hulk right now..it happens for everyone in the books. But what's Superman's strategy that's so great?..he comes in.....punching..wow. That's something Surfer has never seen before...ever. The Surfer doesn't need to exploit a weakness to defeat Superman -
Y'all ? hyping surfer and disrespecting Superman...Superman can't hurt surfer is utter fuckery...surfer gets hit and hurt by hulk...because he downed a Nova doesn't mean anything less than that won't hurt him...supes downs novas and he drug the whole milky way galaxy.
Superman is faster reaction wise than Surfer easy. Supes gets punches off and sleeps him...making the fight anything but a stomp...surfer wins 7/10 -
Surfer should never lose by your standards. Surfers reaction time is not the same as his speed even if it is...its not much faster than supes. Surfer and supes would go head up. Surfer is not more durable than Supes.
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Surfer will just drain supes of all his solar based strength.
If solar was a trill ass ? he'd just turn the sun into a red one.
Surfer can move at c^40.
Superman can move at superluminal speeds depending on who is writing but thats stillnot as fast as SS can move.
SS can cross galaxies.
The Hulk that SS fought was a severely weakened SS not a fully powered one.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »
false. The Surfer can fight..he just chooses to be a pacifist based on his nature as a scientist and the billions of deaths he's responsible for..The Surfer was able to manhandle the Hulk and the Warbound in straight hth. When he wants to fight, he will end you..see Morg, Firelord, Super Skrull, Midnight Sun, Ravenous, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill and several others. He holds back more than alot of heroes. He will actually allow someone to pound on him before ? get real..Unless Superman has an enchanted hammer similar to Mjolnir, there will be no curb stomping, hell there's no curbstomping when Thor fights him..Superman is as much of a fighter as any other top tier not named Adam Warlock or Wonder Woman..in other words, his fighting skills are moot and won't even be a factor in a fightThe Lonious Monk wrote: »As much as I prefer Surfer over Superman, some of you are delusional. Surfer is not a fighter even at his most resolute. If he and Superman were to get into straight up fight, Superman would curbstomp Surfer the same way Thor usually does. Fact of the matter is Superman is a better fighter and knows how to apply his powers better to combat.
That said, they'd never make it to a straight up fight because Surfer would just drain the solar energy out of Superman like he did with Hulk's gamma energy or attack him with red sun radiation like he threatened to do with Gladiator who also has some form of energy spectrum weakness.
I don't reference non canon stories, but have you seen the Superman/Surfer crossover? Superman was in awe of the Surfer's power. DC wouldn't let the boy scout fight the Surfer in that book because they knew what time it was. DC doesn't usually show Marvel folks respect but they did with Surfer and Galactus
Surfer is canonically the most powerful herald (not counting Tyrant), so him beating up a bunch of weaker heralds means nothing. I never said, Surfer can't fight. But he's not a true warrior like Thor, so when he's matched up against someone who has similar power or can withstand his power he doesn't fare as well. Say what you want about Superman but his strength, durability, speed, etc... are basically DEM. They are as high as the writer wants them to be and that basically translates out to Superman being unbeatable except under certain conditions. Surfer has tons of power at his disposal, but most of his fights usually turn into him rushing in with blasts and trying to fight melee style. Sorry, but he's not beating Superman like that. The reason he beats Superman is because Superman has weaknesses that would be obvious to Surfer and also easily exploitable.
First, Tyrant isn't a herald and are you saying Morg is weak? What about the others I listed??? Are they weak as well? I'm pretty sure all of the Heralds would give Superman a good fight if not outright beat him. Surfer being a true warrior is irrelevant considering Superman isn't a true warrior. He's a regular top tier brick like so many others. Please list the people with similar powers or whom can withstand his power that he's had trouble with...I'll wait...Thor has mjolnir, what does Superman have? Superman's durability and speed are below the Surfer's..strength is arguable considering the Surfer can amp himself to enraged Hulk levels....your reasoning can be used for any character in the history of comics..oh look Thor had trouble with Air Walker in their first meeting, but in the second encounter, he threw mjolnir right through him..that kind of thing happens all the time in comics (Spidey/Firelord comes to mind). Of course a writer has the ability to glorify a character..that's what's happening with the Hulk right now..it happens for everyone in the books. But what's Superman's strategy that's so great?..he comes in.....punching..wow. That's something Surfer has never seen before...ever. The Surfer doesn't need to exploit a weakness to defeat Superman
I didn't say any of those people were weak. I said they were weaker than Surfer, and they are. Surfer was stated to be the most powerful herald. I also only mentioned Tyrant because he is a Galactus creation similar to the heralds even though he never played that role, but I also stated that we weren't counting him to avoid any confusion.
And Surfer is not physically stronger than Superman. Yes, we all know he can amp his strength, but he doesn't fight like that typically, and even when he did he was still beaten by Thor if I remember correctly. Maybe Surfer can amp his strength and durability to be beyond Superman's, but there is no guarantee that he'd do that before Superman was able to stomp him out. Not to mention that we don't even have a good idea for just how strong Superman is. He's notorious for holding back his power, and the few times he has let loose, the difference was very dramatic. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »
false. The Surfer can fight..he just chooses to be a pacifist based on his nature as a scientist and the billions of deaths he's responsible for..The Surfer was able to manhandle the Hulk and the Warbound in straight hth. When he wants to fight, he will end you..see Morg, Firelord, Super Skrull, Midnight Sun, Ravenous, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill and several others. He holds back more than alot of heroes. He will actually allow someone to pound on him before ? get real..Unless Superman has an enchanted hammer similar to Mjolnir, there will be no curb stomping, hell there's no curbstomping when Thor fights him..Superman is as much of a fighter as any other top tier not named Adam Warlock or Wonder Woman..in other words, his fighting skills are moot and won't even be a factor in a fightThe Lonious Monk wrote: »As much as I prefer Surfer over Superman, some of you are delusional. Surfer is not a fighter even at his most resolute. If he and Superman were to get into straight up fight, Superman would curbstomp Surfer the same way Thor usually does. Fact of the matter is Superman is a better fighter and knows how to apply his powers better to combat.
That said, they'd never make it to a straight up fight because Surfer would just drain the solar energy out of Superman like he did with Hulk's gamma energy or attack him with red sun radiation like he threatened to do with Gladiator who also has some form of energy spectrum weakness.
I don't reference non canon stories, but have you seen the Superman/Surfer crossover? Superman was in awe of the Surfer's power. DC wouldn't let the boy scout fight the Surfer in that book because they knew what time it was. DC doesn't usually show Marvel folks respect but they did with Surfer and Galactus
Surfer is canonically the most powerful herald (not counting Tyrant), so him beating up a bunch of weaker heralds means nothing. I never said, Surfer can't fight. But he's not a true warrior like Thor, so when he's matched up against someone who has similar power or can withstand his power he doesn't fare as well. Say what you want about Superman but his strength, durability, speed, etc... are basically DEM. They are as high as the writer wants them to be and that basically translates out to Superman being unbeatable except under certain conditions. Surfer has tons of power at his disposal, but most of his fights usually turn into him rushing in with blasts and trying to fight melee style. Sorry, but he's not beating Superman like that. The reason he beats Superman is because Superman has weaknesses that would be obvious to Surfer and also easily exploitable.
First, Tyrant isn't a herald and are you saying Morg is weak? What about the others I listed??? Are they weak as well? I'm pretty sure all of the Heralds would give Superman a good fight if not outright beat him. Surfer being a true warrior is irrelevant considering Superman isn't a true warrior. He's a regular top tier brick like so many others. Please list the people with similar powers or whom can withstand his power that he's had trouble with...I'll wait...Thor has mjolnir, what does Superman have? Superman's durability and speed are below the Surfer's..strength is arguable considering the Surfer can amp himself to enraged Hulk levels....your reasoning can be used for any character in the history of comics..oh look Thor had trouble with Air Walker in their first meeting, but in the second encounter, he threw mjolnir right through him..that kind of thing happens all the time in comics (Spidey/Firelord comes to mind). Of course a writer has the ability to glorify a character..that's what's happening with the Hulk right now..it happens for everyone in the books. But what's Superman's strategy that's so great?..he comes in.....punching..wow. That's something Surfer has never seen before...ever. The Surfer doesn't need to exploit a weakness to defeat Superman
apparently they are weak though. if you're dismissing them. My point is most of the Heralds can give Superman a fight if not outright beat himI didn't say any of those people were weak. I said they were weaker than Surfer, and they are. Surfer was stated to be the most powerful herald. I also only mentioned Tyrant because he is a Galactus creation similar to the heralds even though he never played that role, but I also stated that we weren't counting him to avoid any confusion.
I never argued that he wasAnd Surfer is not physically stronger than Superman.
correctYes, we all know he can amp his strength,
you're not remembering correctlybut he doesn't fight like that typically, and even when he did he was still beaten by Thor if I remember correctly.
what do you mean by maybe? his amps are instant. Superman wouldn't be able to stomp him outMaybe Surfer can amp his strength and durability to be beyond Superman's, but there is no guarantee that he'd do that before Superman was able to stomp him out.Not to mention that we don't even have a good idea for just how strong Superman is. He's notorious for holding back his power, and the few times he has let loose, the difference was very dramatic.
We don't know how strong Norrin can get when he amps either..The Surfer holds back more than Superman so your argument can be used to support the Surfer as well -
Yall are super sleep on the Boy Scout in here
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The fact of the matter here is that while both can absorb solar energy, the Surfer's trump card is that he can absorb Supes' solar power and use it for his own.
Admittedly, I'm not a Superman fan or reader, but he doesn't have any energy absorption power skills that I know of.
That skill set alone will have Supes on the receiving end of a beat down from SS far worse than what Doomsday dropped on him during their 1st fight. -
SUPES REACTION IS WAY FASTER THAN SURFER he would get beat to sleep before he could get a thought off. Y'all don't know how fast Supes is obviously. His feats are up there with surfer in speed. AND HE IS MUCH Stronger than surfer has ever shown and MUCH MUCH more invulnerable.
