STEROIDS, PRO-HORMONES, HGH, PEPTIDES, ON & POST CYCLE THERAPY, EPHEDRA, ? SUPPLEMENTS

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  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2013
    RodrigueZz wrote: »
    Buying gear online seems like risky biz
    something about sending money via western union doesnt sit right

    @RodrigueZz Yes it is, there's a risk of falling for fake sources im going to drop some do's and donts but there's some legit sources out there i know i said i wont tell people the names to find it but PM me what you found and i will tell you if it's legit, it's a process to search but they are out there, i was bout to go that route but my boy know a bodybuilder earning a pro card and lucky me i cut through my boy who was the middle man and went straight to the source, save abput 30 dollars off all orals and Oil and auilxary (sp) that combats the sides, but Pharma's if you can find a legit one it might cost a little more that's because it's pharma grade, top shelf ? from medical pharmacies.

    And for the reason some ask for Money Orders or WESTERN UNION is because of the paper trail if you use your CC
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2013
    TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE
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    Pharmaceutical Name: Testosterone (as Cypionate)
    Chemical structure: 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
    Molecular weight of base: 288.429
    Molecular weight of ester: 132.1184 (cypionic acid, 8 carbons)

    Testosterone cypionate is very similar to tesosterone enanthate. Although half lives and active life periods are different, they are similar. Injections are normally less frequent for cypionate. Testosterone is the king of all mass builders and for this purpose is also fairly cost effective. It works well either alone or stacked to create a great bulking cycle. It has a high risk of side effects due to its conversion to DHT and has the potential to form estrogen, causing gynecomastia. These characteristics also cause it to have such excellent mass building tendencies. Due to some other side effects, such as water retention, it may not be the best used alone for lean mass gains, but with bulking comes the addition of a lot of muscle as well as some gains in fat and water weight. This is typical and a natural part of the enhanced bodybuilder's bulking regiment.

    Doses of 200-100mg a week are common using testosterone cypionate, with excellent results found midway at about 500 mg or less for the first time user and between 500-1000mg weekly for the more advanced athlete. Testosterone stacks well with anything and is also great when used alone. When stacked with another anabolic-androgenic steroid, distinct androgenic effects may be seen. Using cypionate will improve regenerative capacity as well as training aggressiveness which results in significant increases in overall strength during the course of the cycle.

    Testosterone cypionate is a long acting, single ester testosterone product. It has a length of 8 carbons, and is stored mostly in the adipose tissue when injected intra-muscularly. It is slowly and steadily released in the body after it is injected. The blood levels of cypionate peak 24-48 hours after injection and then decline slowly. The blood levels reach a steady point 12 days after initial injection and stay there for over three weeks. Cypionate is normally injected once a week, which makes the very lowest dose higher than half the peak dose at any given time. Any testosterone, as the king of mass builders, are cost effective products and important for any steroid stack. Used alone, the user can expect to see some significant gains. The long acting nature of cypionate allows the user to inject less frequently while maintaining stable blood levels.

    Testosterone cypionate is a good choice for the first time steroid user. A simple cycle consisting of 500 mg of cypionate weekly for 10 weeks, with ancillaries on hand, and standard post cycle therapy makes a good first cycle and can create some excellent gains in muscle mass. Along with those gains will come some gains in fat as well as water rentention, but that is a standard part of bulking up and should be expected. Enanthate or cypionate are also normally preferred over sustanon for a first cycle, due to the inability to maintain stable blood levels of sustanon while at the same time minimizing injection frequency. For maximum efficiency, every day or every other day injections of sustanon are normally administered. This is unnecessary while using cypionate due to its extreme length of action.

    A long acting testosterone ester will be very helpful for your bulking needs, and cypionate is a product which is more simple than some of the other steroids out there. Not to say it is without its share of complications, but it's a good choice, especially for those new to enhanced bodybuilding. Discontinuing the product is not an option in case side effects occur, because it will continue to aggravate these side effects over extended periods of time due to the long length of action of this steroid. Ancillary drugs such as nolvadex, proviron, clomid and HCG may help, both during cycle and post cycle to help restore natural testosterone production. Testosterone cypionate does aromatize slightly more than sustanon, but when using either drug, one should be familiar with anti-estrogens such as nolvadex or clomid and use one of them when symptoms of gyno occur.

    Any form of testosterone will be longer acting and at times difficult to control. Having ancillary drugs on hand is considered very important due to the possibility of side effects. However, these potential side effect risks do not come without a benefit - and that benefit is that testosterone is the most powerful mass builder there is and stacks well with just about anything. The added benefit of cypionate is that the long acting ester only requires a single weekly injection to elicit great gains. This makes cypionate especially attractive for the first time user, who will likely have no prior experience with self administrations of intra-muscular agents and will want to minimize those injections.

    INJECTION INFORMATION

    Weekly totals of 250-1000mg weekly are frequently used, and sometimes more for the highly advanced athlete. Due to the relatively long half life of cypionate, injections are usually administered once per week. This will allow stable blood levels to be maintained. When the level of steroid tapers down, a new injection is made, keeping everything fairly level. This is unlike sustanon, which requires more frequent injections for the same effect. For a first cycle, 500mg alone of testosterone cypionate, shot once weekly (Monday and Thursday for example), for 10 weeks along with standard post cycle therapy would be very sufficient for good gains.


    SIDE EFFECTS

    Side effects such as water retention usually occur when using testosterone enanthate. Gyno, increased rate of hair growth, back acne, increased blood pressure, and aggressiveness, both in the gym and out, are possible when using enanthate. The liver is accustomed to processing testosterone, so liver toxicity is normally not a concern except at extremely high doses.




    Testosterone being the most effective mass builder there is, stacks well with virtually everything and can be used alone for significant increases in both muscle mass and strength. If used in combination with other anabolic-androgenic steroids, items of choice include dianabol, primobolan, equipoise and Deca-Durabolin.

    Cypionate can be stacked with compounds other than these ones, but the user should assess his or her goals and decide which steroids and going to bring about what types of gains. For mass, testosterone is excellent choice, and more testosterone should be preferred over stacking with other compounds for that express purpose. To minimize water retention, certain steroids may be preferred and this is a good decision, since more testosterone cannot reduce these water gains (and in fact may only cause them to become worse). This is one example of how stacking cypionate (or any other testosterone) can be very beneficial. However, for the first time user, a recommended cycle is testosterone only, and cypionate is a good choice. Once again, due to its extreme length of action and ability to maintain stable steroid blood levels while minimizing injection frequency.

    The testosterone using athlete should be familiar with a variety of ancillary drugs in case estrogen related side effects such as gyno take place. Nolvadex, clomid, and HCG are items which you will likely want to keep on hand, either to use during your cycle, or for post cycle therapy.
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Testosterone Cypionate

    Testosterone is a hormone produced by all human beings and is the primary male sex hormone. Through our discussion, well take a look at Testosterone Cypionate, and examine the pros and cons of its use to improve performance in athletics and bodybuilding. Before we dive in, lets clear up a common misconception. Testosterone Cypionate is no more or less powerful or effective than its counterpart Testosterone Enanthate. The two compounds are virtually identical in every way.

    Testosterone Cypionate Traits
    Testosterone Cypionate is a synthetic version of the naturally produced testosterone hormone. This hormone is responsible for many different physical and mental characteristics in males. It promotes sex drive, fat loss, helps with gaining and maintaining lean muscle mass, increases bone density, and may even protect against heart disease. Whether it is naturally produced or through the use of Testosterone Cypionate, these traits do not change. All other steroids are actually the testosterone molecule that has been altered to change the properties of the hormone. Testosterone Cypionate carries a rating of 100 when measuring its anabolic/androgenic structure and this rating is used to measure all other steroids. This would make testosterone the "father" of all anabolic steroids used by athletes today. It should be noted; all testosterone compounds, including Testosterone Cypionate carry this anabolic/androgenic score of 100, as they are all merely testosterone.

    Testosterone Cypionate is a highly anabolic and androgenic hormone making it a great steroid to use if one is in pursuit of more size and strength. Testosterone Cypionate promotes nitrogen retention in the muscle and the more nitrogen the muscles hold the more protein the muscles store. Testosterone Cypionate can also increase the levels of another anabolic hormone, IGF-1 in muscle tissue providing even more anabolic activity. Testosterone Cypionate also has the amazing ability to increase the activity of satellite cells. These cells play an active role in repairing damaged muscle. Testosterone also binds to the androgen receptor to promote androgen receptor dependent mechanisms for muscle gain and fat loss.

    Testosterone Cypionate induces changes in shape, size and can also change the appearance and the number of muscle fibers. Androgens like testosterone can protect your hard earned muscle from the catabolic (muscle wasting) glucocorticoid hormones, in-turn inhibiting the related adverse reactions. In addition, Testosterone Cypionate has the ability to increase red blood cell production and a higher red blood cell count will improve endurance through increased oxygenation in the blood. More red blood cells can also improve recovery from strenuous physical activity. Even so, Testosterones anabolic/androgenic effects are dose dependent; the higher the dose the higher the muscle building effect.

    Many athletes display massive strength gains while using Testosterone Cypionate as the hormone improves muscle contraction by increasing the number of motor neutrons in muscle and improves neuromuscular transmission. It also promotes glycogen synthesis providing more fuel for intense workouts thereby increasing endurance and strength.

    Testosterone Cypionate also has the ability to promote fat loss through an enhancement of metabolic activity. Testosterone binds to the androgen receptor fairly well resulting in fat breakdown, and further prevents new fat cell formation. Another indirect action of fat loss that testosterone produces is the nutrient portioning effect it has on muscle and fat. Since the body is building muscle at an accelerated rate more of the food you eat is shuttled to muscle tissue instead of being stored as fat; nutrient efficiency is enhanced.

    Testosterone Cypionate will also play a crucial role revolving around creatine. Creatine is essential to adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the source of energy for our muscles and when the muscles are stimulated ATP is broken down into adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and this is what releases energy. Unfortunately, the process is often too slow during strenuous activity but through the use of Testosterone Cypionate, this demand is met as ATP is replenished at a much faster rate.

    Effects of Testosterone Cypionate
    With a well-planned Testosterone Cypionate cycle, nearly every anabolic steroid benefit can be obtained. For the off-season athlete, more lean muscle mass can be built with less body fat gain. In-order to grow, you must consume enough calories and fat gain will occur, but Testosterone Cypionate will ensure the brunt of your weight gain is the weight you want.

    While off-season bulking use is the most common, the effects of Testosterone Cypionate can be tremendously beneficial during the cutting phase too. During this period of use, we are able to preserve far more lean muscle tissue that would otherwise be lost. In-order to lose body fat, we must burn more calories than we consume and this can and often does lead to muscle and strength loss. Further, the longer and harder you diet the more muscle and strength will be at risk, but due to the traits of Testosterone Cypionate muscle tissue and strength are protected.

    Regardless of the purpose of use, Testosterone Cypionate defines performance enhancement by its ability to promote recovery and endurance. With a performance level dose of Testosterone Cypionate your body can recover faster and you wont tire out as quickly. This will allow you to workout longer and harder, and more progress can be made. This is performance enhancement at its best!

  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Testosterone Cypionate Part2

    Testosterone Cypionate Administration
    Testosterone Cypionate is only available in an injectable form and is regularly used to treat conditions such as low testosterone. More than twenty million men in the U.S. alone suffer from some form of low testosterone, and such a condition can severely diminish ones quality of life. Symptoms such as loss of muscle mass and strength, a decrease in libido and sexual performance, an increase in body fat, and low energy levels are all common characteristics of low testosterone. Further, when ignored low testosterone can be a gateway to Alzheimers, diabetes, osteoporosis and many other serious conditions. Most men will find one injection every seven to ten days at 100mg to 200mg per injection to completely eradicate such a problem.

    For performance enhancement, one injection per week is often enough; however, in many cases two smaller yet equal sized injections will prove to be far more efficient. The reason for multiple injections is to keep blood levels peaked; further, it is often needed to control side effects that may occur with performance level dosing. Like most anabolic steroids, the more you take the greater the reward, but the more you take the greater the risk. By splitting the injections up into smaller more frequent injections, you are introducing smaller amounts of the hormone for your body to deal with all at once. As for the actual performance doses, this can range anywhere from 200mg per week all the way to 1,000mg per week depending on needs and desires.

    The typical dose for those who are using Cypionate to counteract the lowering of testosterone due to the use of other steroids is normally 200mg. If it is being used for direct performance purposes, most will find 400mg to 600mg per week will be effective, but it is important to note that higher doses will greatly increase the risk.

    Regardless of the total dose, most steroid users will find this to be an extremely well-tolerated anabolic steroid and one that can be used for long periods of time. 12 weeks of total use is quite commonplace, as is 16 weeks. There's nothing magical about these numbers, but they are solid guidelines in-order for the individual to plan out his desired goals.

    Regardless of the total dosing or the cycles length, you will need to design a post cycle therapy (PCT) plan once your Testosterone Cypionate use comes to an end. For most men, if you are discontinuing the use of anabolic steroids for more than ten weeks, you will need PCT but if your off period is less then it can be skipped. For full post cycle information and planning, please see the Post Cycle Therapy page on Steroid.com.

    It should be noted; when it comes to performance enhancement, Testosterone Cypionate for women is not recommended. This is a steroid that carries far too much androgenic activity; after all, it is the primary male androgen. Women can suffer from low testosterone and there can be therapeutic benefits from the use of Testosterone Cypionate; however such treatment plans will be tremendously low dosed and should be watched closely for virilization symptoms.

    The Side Effects of Testosterone Cypionate
    As an extremely well-tolerated hormone for most men, the side effects of Testosterone Cypionate are in many ways easy to control. When it comes to such adverse reactions, keep in mind they largely fall into the realm of possible and are by no means guaranteed. Even so, total dosing, genetic predispositions and your overall state of health will play a role.

    As for the side effects themselves, Testosterone Cypionate like all testosterone compounds carries a high level of aromatase activity; aromatization referring to the conversion of testosterone into estrogen. As estrogen levels rise, this can lead to gynecomastia (male breast enlargement) and excess water retention. This excess water retention can even negatively affect blood pressure. In-order to combat such effects, especially gynecomastia, many turn to Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs) such as Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) and for more serious protection Aromatase Inhibitors (AIs) such as Anastrozole (Arimidex). Without question, AIs are the most effective; however, they can also prove to be problematic when it comes to cholesterol and caution is advised.

    Beyond these effects, Testosterone Cypionate can promote dihydrotestosterone (DHT) related side effects such as acne, hair loss and prostate enlargement; however, it should go without saying DHT steroids will be the prime culprits. In-order to provide protection, a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor such as Finasteride can be useful as it is an androgen suppressor and the androgen DHT is causing the problem. It must be noted; hair loss is only possible in men predisposed to male pattern baldness.

    Availability of Testosterone Cypionate
    If you live in the U.S. you will not find Testosterone Cypionate for sale on the black market as commonly as you will many other testosterone forms; especially when it comes to pharmaceutical grade. The vast majority of Testosterone Cypionate is manufactured in the U.S. by Upjohn and Watson, and very little ever finds its way to black market suppliers. Of course, outside the U.S. things begin to change as there are quite a few pharmaceutical companies that make it. Further, numerous underground labs across the globe manufacture the product.

    Regardless of the brand you choose, most Testosterone Cypionate comes dosed at 200mg/ml or 250mg/ml. There are a few exceptions; however, most high dosed Testosterone Cypionate normally falls under the category of buyer beware. Such products are commonly under-dosed and are only provided by low-grade underground labs. Of course, regardless of the dosing, you must be very careful when making any anabolic steroid purchase. Contaminated products are not uncommon, and when it comes to human grade Testosterone Cypionate this is one of the most commonly counterfeited testosterones.

    Buying Testosterone Cypionate Online - Warning
    You can easily buy Testosterone Cypionate online; in-fact, this is the easiest and most common way to make an anabolic steroid purchase. Even so, anabolic steroids are classified as Schedule III controlled substances in the U.S. and carry severe legal ramifications if the law is broken. For this reason, if you desire to stay within the safety of the law while meeting your anabolic needs, please see the sponsors and advertisers here at steroid.com. Here you will find high quality anabolics that are not only effective but also legal without a prescription.

    Cypionate Reviews
    With many anabolic steroids to choose from, very few carry such a high level of versatility and toleration as Testosterone Cypionate. Perfect for beginners and long time steroid users in any cycle, it is impossible to go wrong with this steroid. If youre new to anabolic steroids and youve maxed out your natural potential, this is the perfect steroid to see your progress continue once again. If you are an advanced steroid user and have used Cypionate in past cycles, it will continue to be just as effective each and every time. This is not an anabolic steroid reserved for a particular group of people, or one that is only useful at one specific time but rather a solid foundational steroid that is perfect for any cycle.

    Testosterone Cypionate Profile

    •17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
    •Testosterone base + cypionate ester
    •Formula: C27 H40 O3
    •Molecular Weight: 412.6112
    •Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
    •Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
    •Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
    •Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
    •Melting Point (base): 155
    •Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
    •Manufacturer: Various
    •Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
    •Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
    •Active life: 8 days
    •Detection Time: 3 months
    •Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We just covered the different types of Test that is used for injections cycle, you should further your research...

    Testosterone Enanthate

    Testosterone Propionate

    Testosterone Cypionate


    Now i will continue with the injectibles before i touched on the Orals
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2013
    History of Steroids

    The history of steroids is richly immersed and runs long and deep, far extending the depths of brevity most conclude. The modern history of anabolic steroids, we may aptly place the beginning in the early 20th century but if we delve deeper we can go back even further but for a true history to be understood we must go back to ancient Greece and only then can we fully understand the magnitude and influence anabolic steroids have had throughout history.

    The Ancient Beginning

    Anabolic steroids did not receive a worldwide audience until the 20th century but the use of pure testosterone can be traced back to the original Olympic Games; keep in mind, it is the hormone testosterone for which all anabolic steroids owe their foundation. Early Olympic athletes, those we may call the fathers of modern athletics were known to ingest animal testicles before a competition; sometimes for extended periods before their meet was to take place. It is doubtful our forefathers understood what they were doing but they were on the right track. One can’t help but wonder who first thought of this novel idea and the idea of eating raw animal testicles is enough to make any stomach turn but as now the same could be said then; if there is an advantage to be had people will find it and grab hold. If we take it down to its bare skin and bones, “Sports Doping” has been going on for thousands of years.

    The New Age

    In 1849 a man we may call the father of modern-endocrinology, Arnold Adolph Berthold of Germany first removed ? from Cockerels, a species of birds and concluded the adverse effect indeed led to a loss of male characteristics common to the species. This led to a more apt understanding of the importance of the male testicles, in as they carry with them the necessitating factors that simply make men, men.

    Berthold took his experiment a step further by removing the testicles of Cockerels and transplanting them into the abdomen. By doing so he determined the sexual functions of the birds were largely unaffected but rather a vast series of capillaries were formed in connection leading to the conclusion the manner in-which testicles act in correlation with the blood.

    Granted, for a further understanding of anabolic steroids as we view them today, Berthold’s experiments do not shed a light comparable to what was to come but it was a first step towards understanding and one that must not be ignored.


    A True Beginning

    To trace the history of steroids as we know them today we must first go back to 1931, to a German chemist Adolf Butenandt. By this point it was understood, largely thanks to Berthold the importance and effects of male hormones but it was Butenandt who first found a way to pin-point and purify the hormone androstenone; he did so by extracting the hormone from a mere few liters of ? . This was a groundbreaking achievement and only the beginning of the breakthrough, as the next several years would see anabolic steroids truly birthed and evolved.

    Shortly after Butenandt’s accomplishment another fellow German chemist Leopold Ruzicka developed a means to synthesize the hormone making it safe for human use. Shortly after this breakthrough the snowball was put in place and in 1935 Ruzicka along with Butenandt compounded the first batch of synthetic of testosterone. This was without a doubt the dawning of the ages when it comes to anabolic steroid use and the history there of. The discovery was so profound both Butenandt and Ruzicka were awarded the 1939 Nobel Prize for their work in chemistry. Wrap your head around that; a Nobel Prize was awarded due to anabolic steroid science; as we perceive anabolic steroids today that is mind-blowing!

    Research would continue and by the late 1930’s the first injections of testosterone-propionate were administered to humans and in the Soviet Union by the 1940’s anabolic steroid use was becoming common place. During the 1940’s the Soviet Union was the dominating force in athletics thanks to anabolic steroid use but this dominance was short lived as Dr. John Ziegler, the U.S. Olympic team physician found a way to soon develop methandrostenolone; you know it as Dianabol or Dbol. Ciba Pharmaceuticals was first to market the drug and by 1958 Dianabol was approved by the FDA for human use. Ciba would not stop there, in-fact this would open the door for thousands of experiments in synthesizing anabolic steroids and derivatives.

  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2013
    I forgot there is 2 more Test injectable the name is Testosterone-Suspension and
    Sustanon-250 i drop them later,

    And also i will give news and history/ law information, articles on Steroids in this thread also
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got my Lipo 6 Black in the mail and copped 2 Masteron Bottles today.....I will be starting my cycle on Monday.........

    I will be injecting 1cc of Test Prop and Icc of Masteron on MON, WED, on FRIDAY 2CC OF TEST PROP and 2CC of Masteron that 400 mg of each every week.....

    I will be logging the cycle in this thread...I also brought Hawthron Beery begin to load to keep the blood pressure in check, will be buying Saw Palmetto for the prostate.....
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TOMMOROW is the first day of the CYCLE....WILL BE SHOOTING 1CC of TEST PROP and MASTERON, and 1cc of TEST -E what i have left over from my last cycle............

    I AM NOT CELEBRATING THE USE OF STEROIDS, IT'S FOR SMART, MATURE PEOPLE..........I WILL BE HONEST IF SIDES COME I WILL TELL YALL GUYS, IF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE COMES THEN I WILL SAY IT, IT WILL BE A 12 WEEK RIDE..........

    I got Hawthron extract. will be getting more Saw Palmetto and Celery Seed extract from.......

    AND THE BAD ABOUT STEROIDS i will post articles also, i dont sugar coat ? ............
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION

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    Pharmaceutical Name: Testosterone (as H2O suspension)
    Chemical structure: 4-androstene-3-one,17beta-ol
    Molecular weight of base: 288.429

    Testosterone suspension becomes active only one hour after it is injected. Suspension increases strength and aggressiveness at a rapid rate and muscle mass gains are relatively quick with its use - superior to other steroids. Testosterone suspension is able to increase glycogen storage in muscle tissue - increases in hardness, vascularity, and overall condition are possible while using testosterone suspension depending on your diet and what your goals are, as well as what drugs suspension is being stacked with. Since suspension is a very potent steroid, it is normally used for bulking purposes.

    Testosterone suspension is a more advanced steroid to use since the frequency of injections is greater to maximize its potential benefits. This is much like propionate, and it is also similar in the way that injections hurt more than other steroids. If a first cycle is what you are looking for, a superior choice would be a long acting, single ester steroid such as testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. With these drugs, a less frequent injection schedule can be used while keeping blood levels stable and seeing excellent results. Injections of those drugs are also generally less painful, which is another reason the first time user would find either of them to be a more attractive choice.

    Testosterone suspension is unlike the other forms of testosterone because it has no ester attached. As a result, the total weight is pure free based testosterone because ester weight does not need to be taken into consideration. Under normal circumstances, ester weight needs to be subtracted from total weight to get the weight of the free based testosterone in the agent. For example, sustanon 250 contains 188 mg of free based testosterone per 250 mg solution. Since suspension is pure testosterone, it is the most powerful testosterone gram for gram (since ester weight is not a factor). As a result, suspension is very powerful steroid.

    Suspension does not go directly into the blood. However, when it does go into the blood it releases quickly and delivers very high peak doses. Since it is a short acting agent, it must be injected every day or at the least every other day for maximum effect. If an injection schedule less frequent than that is performed, the user risks not maximizing the effects of the steroid which will naturally result in less overall muscle mass and strength gains. Certainly not desirable for the enhanced athlete.

    Since suspension is solely free based testosterone, it can be used in lower quantities than its esterified counterparts since there is no need to compensate for ester weight. However, generally speaking, suspension is used in the same quantities as other esterified testosterones and as a result yields very dramatic results. If used in this manner or stacked with an oral steroid such as dianabol, the user should not be surprised with dramatic gains in muscle mass over the duration of the cycle.

    Along with gains in muscle mass, increased levels of water retention and bloat can be seen while using testosterone suspension. Risks of estrogen related side effects such as gynecomastia are certainly a real possibility, and the suspension using athlete should be familiar with ancillary drugs such as nolvadex and clomid in case symptoms of gyno arise. Suspension is highly androgenic as well as being highly anabolic and as a result, prostate hypertrophy (size increase), ? and body hair increases and deepening of the voice are possible side effects from its use. Suspension is normally used for bulking, but like any testosterone can be used for cutting if stacked with the appropriate agents. Spot injections are popular with suspension (as well as winstrol since it is said to cause localized growth. For example, a biceps site injection using suspension is said to increase the overall size. It is slightly less painful to inject than winstrol or propionate but is still somewhat painful and the user should be prepared for some discomfort. Site injections are sometimes painful and whether or not they actually work is still a heatly debated topic. Regardless of where you inject the suspension, you will make gains off it, even if not the localized type (providing a good diet and training regiment are utilized).

    INJECTION INFORMATION


    Like propionate, suspension must be injected every day or every other day to maximize its effectiveness. As mentioned above, site injections of suspension are said to increase levels of localized growth at that site, but this is still widely debated in bodybuilding circles. In any case, injections are slightly more painful than injections of enanthate or cypionate, but less painful than winstrol or propionate.

    SIDE EFFECTS


    High rates of acne, water retention, and aromatization are possible while using testosterone suspension. Increased blood pressure and liver toxicity are normally not an issue unless dosages are very high. The reason for that being because the liver is already accustomed to processing testosterone. Testosterone suspension readily converts to DHT and significantly suppresses HPTA function. As a result, the user should be familiar with a host of ancillary drugs included anti-estrogens such as nolvadex and clomid as well as HCG which may be beneficial to run during cycle to prevent the suppression of HPTA and decrease the length of time required to achieve normalization post cycle. Generally speaking, natural testosterone production should return to normal post cycle whether or not HCG is used, but HCG is known to dramatically decrease the length of time required to see this normalization take place.
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION (continues)

    STACKING AND USE


    Suspension is generally used for bulking, and as such is an incredibly potent agent. Beginners will likely want to avoid suspension due to the frequency in which injections are necessary and the accompanying pain of such injections (although suspension is certainly not the worst culprit and far more painful injectable steroids exist). Since 100% of the suspension solution is free based testosterone, anabolic / androgenic side effects will likely be more pronounced than with its esterified testosterone counterparts. Suspension is best when injected daily at around 50-100 mg. Stacking suspension with compounds which have a lower ocurrence of androgenic side effects such as deca-durabolin, or equipose in dosages of 300-400 mg per week would create an excellent mass building stack. To jump start gains from suspension, using an oral steroid such as dianabol or anadrol for the first 4-6 weeks is a possibility, but the user should be aware of the potency of suspension before considering such stacks. Also, if the first time user does choose to use suspension, no stacking should be necessary. For one, this is good advice even when less potent esterified testosterones such as enanthate and cypionate are used, and is especially important with suspension since it is entirely free based testosterone and as a result, far more potent. Suspension is best used for 10-12 weeks given the length of time in which it takes for levels to peak, but with daily injections, many opt for shorter cycles.

    As with any other testosterone, having ancillary drugs on hand is very important. Anti-estrogens such as nolvadex or its weaker counterpart, clomid, should be kept on hand and used in the case estrogenic side effects rear their head. proviron or arimidex (both aromatase blockers) can be used with suspension to prevent estrogen from building up. Suspension is a very potent compound, but the user should be made aware that the concurrent use of aromatase blockers will reduce gains. This is not a very attractive for the athlete bulking, but if side effects can be minimized or eliminated it may be worth it. Appropriate COST-BENEFIT analysis' should be performed before using any steroid or deciding what to include in the stack as well as post cycle. Proviron should be the aromatase blocker of choice when using suspension. However, for individuals prone to male pattern baldness, an investment in arimidex would be wise (although it is normally more expensive). The reason for this is because proviron can increase androgen related side effects.

    Suspension significantly decreases HPTA and proper diet, training and use of ancillary drugs post cycle are vastly important when suspension has been cycled. The use of HCG and nolvadex or clomid should be considered a priority for post cycle therapy. An example of how these drugs could be run would be 3000-5000 IU every 5-6 days of HCG for the last two weeks of a cycle and then starting nolvadex 4-5 days after the last shot of suspension. The user should begin the nolvadex at 40-50 mg per day for two weeks, then taper this quantity down to 20-25mg for another two weeks. If clomid is used, the post cycle therapy should also begin 4-5 days after the last shot of suspension and be ran as follows:

    Standard Clomid Post Cycle Therapy

    Day 1 - 300mg
    Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
    Day 12-21 - 50mg/day
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    How to Talk to Your Child About Steroids

    One of the first things a parent will have to do is realize there is a possibility their child could be using steroids or other illegal drugs and come to grips with how they are going to deal with this. Denial and wishful thinking can quickly lead a family down the path to destruction. A lot of parents seem to have more a friend relationship with their children and when it comes to drugs, parents have to step up to the plate and be a parent and especially a protector. Getting past the hurdle of denial and putting all your strength and energy into identifying the problem and figuring out a way to stop your child from becoming a steroid user should be a top priority. You could potentially save them from making one of the most dangerous or life threatening mistakes they could ever get involved in.

    The next step is to identify the signs that can prove your child is abusing steroids.

    Early Signs of Steroid Abuse
    • One of the most obvious signs of steroid abuse is sudden muscle growth. Unusually fast bulking up (excessive and rapid muscle growth), especially in the shoulders and neck region, and across the chest and biceps often indicates steroid abuse.
    • Another common sign of steroid usage is an unusual and significant break out of acne on the face, or even more common, on the upper back, across the shoulders.
    • Next, look for mood swings or other shifts in behavior outside a teen’s normal behavior, such as a violent or combative attitude.
    • Look for drastic cosmetic changes such as shaving their head or changing their style of dress.
    • Using mouthwash or excessive brushing of their teeth, to cover up a serious sign of using steroids, which is harsh or foul breath could be another subtle sign.
    • Paranoid behavior may become event in daily activities. They may become more secretive and closed off. For example, becoming irritated by an adult’s presence in their room or hiding their internet searches can be an indicator that something is amiss.
    • A huge indicator that parents seem to miss a lot is when their child talks about steroids, asks questions regarding steroids, or even any type of workout supplements. It could be an early indicator that you need to pay more attention to what’s going on in their life.
    • Lastly, watch your child’s social life. See if they are changing friends more often or how they seem to be relating to their friends or family.



    Don’t hesitate to get involved in your child’s life, but do it in a tactful way without being to pushy to get information.

    What to do First

    Start by trying to understand the basic needs of your child, their interests and concerns. Every child wants to be accepted and is very susceptible to peer pressure, wanting to look there best and to get noticed, so stay connected and informed about your child. Things haven’t changed that much with respect to social interaction.

    What has changed is that kids can now get their hands on drugs and with much easier access. Drugs are easily obtainable and steroids are no exception. With internet access now available in almost every home across America, kids are exposed to every easily expose to every market and consumer good on the planet. Having only minimal resources, a kid can discover, research, and even order steroids online within days of having them in hand.

    In today’s world, steroids are the ultimate esteem builder. They are readily available to teenagers and young adults who are willing to look past all of the side effects they may cause because they will gain a short-term fulfillment. Before this begins, you have to be ready to confront your child and seek the truth before the situation can get out of hand.

    Adolescents usually have a craving for a role model in their life. They want someone they can admire, look up to, and respect. You, as a parent, can be that person or allow someone else to be, but you need to have a known presence in your child’s life. There are tons of other outside influences our there, and it’s your responsibility as a parent to keep them on track.

    Physical appearance is a huge influence in our society today. From muscle magazines, to TV and movies, great physique is highly craved, and commonly praised over all over virtues and values. Steroid abuse is on the rise even though people are beginning to see the real truth in the news daily. Promote your child’s self-esteem as early or as often as possible. Encourage a health lifestyle and be an active participant in it. Most importantly, establish a healthy body image for your child by using positive words that ensure confidence and laying down a solid healthy foundation for them to follow.

    What to do Now

    You have determined that your child may be using steroids, so where do you go from here? Keep in mind, there are no easy answers.

    Serious Steroid Abuse

    If you are realistic about the situation and are able to obtain a ? sample from your child, then you should do it. Understand, your trust and communication with your child could be potentially damaged, but this is probably the easiest way to determine the truth. Your child’s safety is at hand so intervention is most important. It is no longer about how much you are a friend to your child or how popular you are, but about your child’s safety. The next step is to talk to your child about the abuse of drugs and the severity. Take them to the doctor to get ? results if you can’t get them yourself. Start by having your doctor discuss case studies involving steroids and teens. By talking openly with your family physician, they will be upfront in telling your teen how badly the drugs could damage their body. The doctor can also give your child possible alternative and healthier suggestions instead of using steroids like proper nutrition and strength training or exercise ideas. The main objective is to not be naïve and address the situation as tactful as possible.

    The need to overcome perceived shortcomings is very powerful. At first, your child may not hear a word of what you are saying, but keep trying to communicate openly with them. You are as much of an influence on his or her life as any muscle magazine, TV show, or gym trainer. You can be the person that makes the biggest difference in your adolescent’s life. When your child doesn’t make wise decisions about their health, it is your responsibility as a parent to step in and make those decisions for them!



    Parents, if your concern is less immediate or perhaps you haven’t seen many of these signs above, but you sense something is changing, continue to pay attention! Drop subtle hints to let your child know you have realized something’s up. Start doing your research so that you know what you are saying to your child is factual, because most likely your child has gotten bad or incorrect information. This website has very thorough information covering all aspects of steroid abuse. Then, talk about steroids openly, the good, the bad, and the ugly regarding them.

    Openly talking about steroids with your child may not solve the problem right away, but at least you are getting the topic out in the open. Remind them that taking steroids is a form of cheating. The guilt factor can be introduced and some kids find it difficult to continue abusing steroids when they’re aware their parents know about it. Don’t assume it will happen like that so continue to watch for the signs.

    Ultimately, there are no hard or fast solutions to this problem. Continue to educate yourself and your child about these dangers and stay involved and in tune with their lives. The most important way to decrease the chance of your child abusing drugs is to openly communicate with them. Parents can deter many adolescent problems by just being available, helping to raise their self-esteem, and heading off unworthy goals.
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    Here's my thread in the Cheap Seats that talks about Steroids in Sports, College's, High Schools....http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/476631/steroids-peds-doping-in-sports-its-here-and-its-aint-going-nowhere/p3

    I AM AGAINST CHILDREN & TEENAGERS USING STEROIDS, but have no problem with the sports use of it...

    Like i said i will show both sides of the steroids coin, from those that abuse it and those that's for it also, it's up to you to make the call.........

    Use of steroids in gyms rockets

    Drug Free Sport leader blames obsession with looking good and worries about spillover into pro and amateur ranks.


    Gym operators said that steroid-users were mostly confined to body-building or weight-lifting facilities, but the drug was sometimes found in mainstream fitness clubs. Photo / Thinkstock

    An increasing obsession with appearance and body shape has led to a spike in the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs in gymnasiums, the head of New Zealand's anti-doping agency says.

    Drug Free Sport New Zealand chief executive Graeme Steel said a drug culture was developing in gyms which could spill over into professional and amateur sport.

    He told a parliamentary committee yesterday that New Zealand did not appear to have the same rate of doping among its sportspeople as in Australia, where a damning report this month revealed widespread use of banned substances such as peptides and hormones.

    But he said steroid use was increasing among gym users, mostly out of an obsession with looking good.

    "There's seemingly now a much broader part of the community that is interested in getting bigger and looking better. And that's where steroids work."

    Steroids were legal to use, but not to import or prescribe, Mr Steel said.



    A gym had approached Drug Free Sport to express its concern about the increase in steroid use. It had developed a code of conduct that it hoped other gyms would follow.

    Mr Steel said sportspeople were sharing gyms with steroid users such as body-builders, and could be drawn into substance abuse.

    "The danger for us is that [body-building] brings more steroids into the country, into the market, and athletes are in those same gymnasia and there's a potential that they may deliberately or not deliberately get involved with that.

    "[Body-builders] are probably the heaviest users and therefore part of the distribution network for those drugs. If they are using, then, as with many other drugs, it may be the next step is them selling in the gym alongside rugby players and athletes and cyclists. There is a potential for that to flow," Mr Steel said.

    Customs confirmed that seizures of steroids and gamma-aminobutyric acid (Gaba, used for toning muscles) had increased at the border.

    In 2011, 13.5kg of steroids and 63kg of Gaba were seized, compared with just 190 grams of steroids and 1.1kg of Gaba in 2008.

    Gym operators told the Herald that steroid-users were mostly confined to body-building or weight-lifting facilities, but the drug was sometimes found in mainstream fitness clubs.

    Club Physical chief executive Paul Richards said he was forced to ban a husband and wife from his Te Atatu branch because they were openly dealing in steroids. "They seem to go from gym to gym and get banned from each one. It's short-term thinking; all they want to do is get big. When you're in your 20s, you're not thinking long-term. It's all ego and vanity without any sort of future," he said.

    NZ Muscle Nutrition and Bodybuilding general manager Gavin Makins said it was difficult to detect steroid use because it was mostly underground.

    Dr Nigel Harris, a senior lecturer in sports and exercise science at the Auckland University of Technology, said: "When you are dealing with any drug that is designed to interfere with the body's natural hormonal processes, you set off a veritable cascade of hormonal events, and a lot of those aren't even known."


    Dark power

    * Anabolic steroids influence the body's natural hormonal processes.

    * Bodybuilders, sportspeople and athletes take them to lift performance and physical appearance.

    * Side-effects include shrinking of the testicles, severe acne and aggression or "roid rage".

    * Steroid abuse also implicated in cardiovascular disease, liver damage, infertility and loss of libido and mental illness. In some cases users have died
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    DAY ONE/WEEK 1 (Test Prop/Masteron Cycle)

    I was super juiced (no pun intended) to start this cycle, even though i have a week left of my old school stack, speaking of the old skool stack, ? is great strength went up like a muthafucka, UNIVERSAL Sterol Complex is the ? , leaned out, got stronger, and lifts went up, i can say i add 3 pounds of muscle.

    But last night i loaded my syringe, I had leftover TEST-E from my first cycle so i am using it also, Load 1cc of TEST-E and 1CC of Test Prop and 1CC of MASTERON..... that 300 Mg of steroids...

    I was a little nervous havent shot in months, but wasnt scared so i cleaned a spot on my right delt with alcohol, wipe down the syringe one more time and shot up in the delt...

    I hit a sweet spot because on a scale 1-10 the pain level was .01 neddle slid in the delt like butter and I push 300mg of oil inside my body......

    By sunday my libido should shoot up and aggression in the gym should be up, by next week the muscles should start coming in and i should be leaning out.....

    THE FAT BURNER LIPO-6 IS THE ? !!!!!!!! woke up this morning early to shoot up and for the gym, took one cap of lipo 6 black, a fish oil, 2 bcaa's, 1 cap of of Hawthorn berry, 2 caps of multi's vit, 1 Cla, 5 liver tabs.....

    waited 30 mins, the Lipo 6 black hit, a clean steady steam of energy...No jitters, no anxiety, not being all spooked and ? , no geeked out..just clean fat burning energy and appetite is shot to hell, i aint hungry had to force myself to eat 2 turkey burger patties and some scrambled eggs......


    Went to the gym for chest and back workout, i am supersetting chest and back........and i am reverse pyramid meaning the lifting heavy then going down in weight, so i can overload the muscle and get stronger.......

    CHEST/SUPERSET WITH CHINS........

    SET 1) BB BENCH 135X12 - 12 CHIN UPS

    SET 2) BB BENCH 275 to failure - 12 CHIN UPS

    SET 3) BB BENCH 250 to failure - 12 CHIN UPS

    SET 4) BB BENCH 230 to failure - ^^^^^^same

    SET 5) BB BENCH 225 to failure ^^^^^^^

    i did alot of ? , i dont feel like typing it..........


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    WEEK 1

    workout tuesday biceps and triceps went heavy i had a ok workout i had to rush because needed to take my pop dukes to the doctors.....

    SHOTUP to day left delt this time 1cc of prop and masteron find a sweet spot again, i am getting good as this shitm hitting SHOULDERS in the morning,

    oh yeah the the world famous test prop pain hit me this morning after the painless injection the pain from the ester kicked in, and that ? hurts i had to rub the arm a few times to get blood flowing to ease the pain,,,

    FRIDAY will be my first ever quads shot, nothing kicked in yet takes a few days,,,,,,
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    WEEK 1

    SHOT THE QUADS THIS MORNING AND ? WAS BUTTER DIDNT HURT AT ALL, A LITTLE SORE, I HAVE A STIFF ACHY BACK SO I DIDNT SQUAT....

    JUST SUPERSET LEG EXTENSIONS WITH LEG CURLS 4X15 AND CARDIO FOR 30 MIN, NEXT WEEK THAT'S WHEN THE FUN STARTS...
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    The Feds Say They Busted Up a Mansfield-Based Steroid Ring Last Month
    By Eric Nicholson Thu., Mar. 14 2013 at 8:35 AM

    On February 5, U.S. Postal Inspectors customs agents were doing a routine inspection at the North Texas Processing and Distribution Center when they spotted a package freshly arrived from Singapore and destined for a home address in Crowley.
    The customs agents opened the mail -- they have the authority to do this for all USPS mail shipped in from other countries -- and found several hundred tablets of anabolic steroids, 10 vials of testosterone, and another 50 vials of HCG. They alerted law enforcement officials in Johnson County and learned that the owner of the home to which the steroids were being sent, Geoffrey Engles, was believed to be a part of a steroid distribution ring.

    The Johnson County officials had begun the investigation nine months before after receiving a similar call from customs agents in San Francisco who had flagged a package from China, which turned out to be packed with testosterone enanthate, addressed to a woman in Burleson.

    The woman didn't actually live at the Burleson address; her father did. It didn't take much detective work long to trace her to the Mansfield home she shared with her boyfriend, Wayne Barfield. When a Johnson County investigator arrived on May 20 to ask her about the package, she told him everything.

    Barfield, the woman said, had been selling steroids for a while. He would order the raw steroids from overseas distributors, typically paying via Western Union, then use a Bunsen burner to mix the final product. This he would split with Engles, and they would distribute it to pushers throughout the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

    Further pointing to Barfield's involvement in the steroids game were a string of credit card purchases from Chinese companies with names like Gen X Chemicals, Simply Shred, and DNA Peptides and from Research Lab Supply, which sells the types of capsules and vials that might be used for packaging steroids.

    Barfield's girlfriend said she had helped out "because she had not thought about the seriousness of the offense," according to a federal criminal complaint filed against Barfield and Engles last month.

    BALCO this operation was not. Barfield apparently had no science or medical training but was an oilfield worker. And the scale of the operation was relatively small. The most recent shipment Barfield's girlfriend could recall was for $7,000, and their customers seem not to be professional athletes but gym rats hoping to bulk up.

    But the operation was enough for federal agents to go to the trouble of getting a warrant to search Engle's home, where they found a large quantities of anabolic steroids, plus vials, glass beakers and syringes.

    When the agents interviewed him, Engles more or less threw Barfield, whom he had known for four years, under the bus. Engles said he knew his friend had been importing, mixing, and selling steroids, and that he had even helped finance a couple of purchases, but that he had never otherwise been a part of the operation. The steroids in his house had been given to him by Barfield after his girlfriend had spilled her guts to investigators. Engles "didn't want to see any of it get thrown away" because he "planned to use it."

    Engles then got Barfield on the phone and let federal agents listen while he asked if his roommate could get a cut of the next shipment. Barfield agreed, and told Engles to have the money deposited directly into his bank account to avoid Money Gram's service fees.

    Two days later, the agents had a talk with said roommate, Jason Morris, who confessed to selling steroids but said that Engles and Barfield were "at a whole different level."

    "They are getting raw materials direct from China and making their own stuff," he told them. "This is way above anything I'm involved in. Geoff has done this for a long time and has made a lot of money doing it."

    Still, Morris, Engles, and Barfield were were hit with the same charge of possession with intent to distribute a controlled substance. So was a fourth man, Paul Clayton McComb.
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    Goodbye Androgen – Prostate Cancer Hypothesis

    In this issue of European Urology, Muller et al provide the final nail in the coffin for what had been a guiding principle of uro-oncology for >70 yr: the androgen hypothesis of prostate cancer (PCa). The androgen hypothesis originated with the Nobel-winning work of Charles Huggins, who, together with coauthor Clarence Hodges, reported in 1941 that castration caused PCa regression in men with metastatic disease, and that testosterone (T) administration caused PCa progression. They concluded that T activates PCa, producing an enhanced rate of growth.

    Over the years, the androgen hypothesis came to include the following features: PCa is an androgen-dependent cancer; high T levels contribute to the development of PCa; high T causes rapid growth of PCa; and low T is protective against development of PCa and causes PCa to regress. Medical trainees were taught that the relationship between T and PCa was like food for a hungry tumor or like pouring gasoline on a fire. Conversely, men who developed severely depressed T early in life (eg, eunuchs) never developed PCa.

    There was no reason to doubt the androgen hypothesis during my urology residency in the mid-1980s and in the period immediately afterward. Men who underwent castration for painful bony metastases experienced rapid relief, sometimes within hours. The newly available luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone (LHRH) agonists produced similar results, confirmed by dramatic declines in the new marker, prostate-specific antigen (PSA).

    However, one drawback of the LHRH agonists was the initial T flare, associated in some cases with sudden death and vertebral collapse, attributed to the transient rise in serum T. The introduction of finasteride in 1992 provided further confirmation, since this medication reduced PSA and prostate volume by depressing intraprostatic dihydrotes-tosterone (DHT) to castrate levels.

    My first inkling that there was something wrong with the androgen hypothesis came when I began performing prostate biopsies in symptomatic T-deficient men to rule out the presence of cancer before offering T therapy. Although it was universally believed that low T should have been protective against PCa, our results revealed cancer in 11 of 77 men (14%) with normal PSA and digital ? examination, a surprisingly high number similar to contemporaneous series in men with elevated PSA. A follow-up study in 345 men with low T and normal PSA revealed a similar cancer rate of 15%, with greatest risk for the most severely T deficient.

    Clearly, low T was not protective, as one in seven men with low T had biopsy-detectable PCa. In 2004, while performing a review of the world literature, I was stunned to discover there was also no compelling evidence that high T was risky for PCa. How was it possible that castration caused such dramatic effects on malignant and benign prostate tissue, yet higher T repeatedly appeared to have no relationship to PCa risk, prostate volume, or PSA? The androgen hypothesis that once seemed to explain every-thing was beginning to appear as if it explained nothing.

    My curiosity took me to historical primary sources archived in the basement of the Harvard Medical School library, where I researched old texts like an archeologist seeking clues from a bygone era that might have relevance for those living and working today. I have described that research elsewhere, but it suffices here to say that I discovered there was never any basis for a broad androgen hypothesis.

    Anecdotal observations in small numbers of men with metastatic PCa were generalized beyond reason, findings were oversimplified, and contrary evidence was ignored. Huggins and Hodges, for example, based their conclusions that T activated PCa on the erratic and now- abandoned blood test, acid phosphatase, in only two men treated with T injections for no more than 18 d, one of whom was already castrated. Their results are uninterpretable.

    Remarkably, in other reports some men with metastatic PCa responded positively to T administration with an improved sense of well being and reduced pain. What I noticed in these historical series was that men who had already undergone androgen deprivation via castration or estrogen treatment demonstrated rapid PCa progression with T administration, whereas T administration in men who were still hormonally intact demonstrated no cancer progression.

    This led to the saturation model as a unifying conceptual framework, based on observations in humans, animals, and PCa cell lines. Those observations uniformly reveal that androgens have a finite, limited ability to stimulate prostate tissue, malignant or benign. This refinement is simple yet profound. Yes, prostate tissue requires androgens for optimal growth. However, it can only use a relatively small amount, beyond which additional androgen is merely excess. The saturation point is well below physiologic concentrations, which explains why manipulation of serum T into or out of the castrate range produces large changes in prostate biology, whereas normal prostate and PCa appear completely indifferent to variations in serum T from the near-physiologic to supraphysiologic range.

    The study by Muller et al provides the ultimate evidence disproving the androgen hypothesis and supporting the saturation model. The authors report on the relationship of serum T and DHT to prostate biopsy results in the placebo arm of the reduction by dutasteride of prostate cancer events (REDUCE) trial. Entry requirements included a PSA of 2.5–10.0 ng/ml and a prior negative prostate biopsy. Of 8122 men, 4073 were randomly assigned to placebo, and of these, 3255 underwent at least one of the planned biopsies at 2 yr and 4 yr. These 3255 men comprised the current study population, for whom biopsy results were analyzed with regard to baseline serum values for T and DHT.

    The primary analysis revealed no significant association between PCa and serum T or DHT. Cancer rates were no different for men with normal T versus men with low T, defined as <10 nmol/l, or 288 ng/dl (25.5% vs 25.1%, respectively; p = 0.831). Interestingly, a subgroup analysis of men with low T presented a saturation-type curve, with lowest PCa rates at the lowest T values, increasing to a plateau value well below the normal range of T. The authors wrote, ‘‘Our findings of the lowest testosterone levels being associated with the lowest PCa risk with no further changes with higher testosterone support a saturation model.’’

    This last observation must be considered in light of multiple reports that suggest increased PCa risk with lower T. Additionally, PCa rates declined at the upper end of serum T, an intriguing observation that must also be regarded cautiously due to the small cohort involved. Regardless, it is the primary findings of this study that merit serious attention.
    Recent evidence provides the final nail in the coffin for what had been a guiding principle of oncology for >70 yr: the androgen hypothesis of prostate cancer (PCa). It is time to face facts. Prostate cancer risk is unrelated to serum androgen concentrations. High T does not predispose to PCa and low T is not protective. The truth is there was never any credible evidence to support a generalized theory that high T was dangerous and low T protective.


    Morgentaler A. Goodbye Androgen Hypothesis, Hello Saturation Model. Eur Urol. ScienceDirect.com - European Urology - Goodbye Androgen Hypothesis, Hello Saturation Model



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    This last observation must be considered in light of multiple reports that suggest increased PCa risk with lower T. Additionally, PCa rates declined at the upper end of serum T, an intriguing observation that must also be regarded cautiously due to the small cohort involved. Regardless, it is the primary findings of this study that merit serious attention.

    This is the first large-scale study with mandatory, routine, prostate biopsies to investigate the relationship of serum androgens and PCa. Prior work had caused retrenchment of the androgen hypothesis, but until now it still could be argued that there was no definitive rejection of the general concept that higher serum T was somehow risky for PCa.

    In the 1980s, it was believed high T caused PCa. In the 1990s, the argument became that high T stimulated growth only of existing PCa. In the early 2000s, high T was proposed to affect risk only over a period of years. By 2010, a large longitudinal study had rejected time exposure as a possibility. Adherents of the androgen hypothesis were left with the argument that systematic biopsies would be needed to exclude the possibility that high T might still cause an increased risk of androgen-stimulated PCa





    SO IN OTHER WORDS
    Goodbye Steroid=>Prostate Cancer Hypothesis - final nail in coffin for guiding principle oncology

    Enough!

    The biopsy results are now in, and it is time to face facts. Prostate cancer risk is unrelated to serum androgen concentrations. High T does not predispose to PCa and low T is not protective. The truth is there was never any credible evidence to support a generalized theory that high T was dangerous and low T protective. The androgen hypothesis was proposed and accepted before knowledge of hormone receptors, PSA, and prior to reliable measures of T.

    Indeed, the evidence against the androgen hypothesis was always obvious to anyone who wished to see: PCa occurs as men age and T declines; PCa never occurs in young men during the peak T years.

    The importance of the article by Muller et al cannot be overemphasized. It finally lays to rest a false concept that has misinformed medical practice for decades. The failure to find increased PCa rates associated with higher serum androgens based on biopsies in a large at-risk population removes the last possible hope to those who wish to hold on to a disproved theoretical notion from a premodern era. There was never any basis for the assertion that eunuchs do not develop PCa. The reported tragic consequences from T flare consisted of anecdotal reports in a group of men with advanced disease, some of whom suffered the same complications without receiving LHRH agonists at all.

    The persistence of the androgen hypothesis despite strong contradictory evidence teaches us how difficult it is to abandon ideas learned during our training, even in this age of evidence-based medicine. It is time now to move forward, with blinders removed. The sun is shining, the day is new, and the field of PCa is full of exciting research opportunities, including the possibility that T might actually be beneficial to men with PCa


    info from poster at Meso-rx
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    In this study, the pre-TRT treatment range was 145-248 ng/dL.
    “TT increased significantly after starting TRT from a mean ± SD of 197 ± 67 [145–248] to 591 ± 180 ng/dl (p = 0.0002).”

    Agarwal PK, Oefelein MG. TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY AFTER PRIMARY TREATMENT FOR PROSTATE CANCER. The Journal of urology 2005;173(2):533-6. Elsevier

    Purpose: A history of prostate cancer has been an absolute contraindication for testosterone supplementation. We studied a cohort of hypogonadal patients treated with radical retropubic prostatectomy (RRP) for ? confined prostate cancer to determine if testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) could be efficacious and administered safely without causing recurrent prostate tumor.

    Materials and Methods: Ten hypogonadal patients previously treated with RRP for ? confined prostate cancer were identified. They presented with low serum total testosterone (TT) and symptoms of hypogonadism after RRP. Patients had baseline serum determinations of prostate specific antigen (PSA) and TT, and were started on testosterone supplementation. They were assessed periodically for changes in PSA and TT, and for symptomatic improvement using the hormone domain of the Extended Prostate Inventory Composite Health Related Quality of Life questionnaire.

    Results: At a median followup of 19 months no patient had detectable (greater than 0.1 ng/ml) PSA. TT increased significantly after starting TRT from a mean ± SD of 197 ± 67 to 591 ± 180 ng/dl (p = 0.0002). The Hormone Domain of the Extended Prostate Inventory Composite Health Related Quality of Life questionnaire increased significantly from 38 ± 5 to 49 ± 3 (p = 0.00005), primarily due to a decrease in hot flashes and an increase in energy level.

    Conclusions: At a median of 19 months of TRT hypogonadal patients with a history of prostate cancer had no PSA recurrence and had statistically significant improvements in TT and hypogonadal symptoms. In highly select patients after RRP TRT can be administered carefully and with benefit to hypogonadal patients with prostate cancer.
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    Sustanon-250
    (Testosterone Mixture)


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    Developed by Organon for the purpose of Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) Sustanon-250 was at one time deemed the ultimate in achieving total TRT therapy in the most efficient means possible. The premise was simple; provide a testosterone based compound that would only need to be administered once every few weeks by combining multiple esters into one single compound for a steady continuous release of the testosterone hormone and the premise proved to be successful. The compound was so successful the individual could effectively inject the hormonal compound only once every 3-4 weeks and maintain a release of testosterone into the system but while a success it was not as perfect as it was hoped to be.

    Sustanon-250 is simply testosterone, in the same light of Testosterone-Cypionate, Testosterone-Propionate or any other form you can think of; Sustanon-250 is simply testosterone. In Sustanon-250 what you have is a testosterone mixture, four different esters attached to the same hormone; this does not change the hormones nature, it is just as anabolic and androgenic as it would be with only one ester attached but it’s mode of action in-terms of time regarding both initial activity and total duration is a very different story. While Sustanon-250 will provide a steady release of testosterone for extended periods of time by injecting only once every few weeks it is very difficult if not impossible to maintain a stable testosterone level and this can be very important to the performance enhancer and should be worthy of understanding to the TRT patient as well. Even though far extended spaced out injections may not be the best course of action as was once thought there is no doubt about it, Sustanon-250 is a fine testosterone hormone and can get the job done regardless of your individual purpose.

    Sustanon-250 101:
    As a four part testosterone Sustanon-250 is comprised of Testosterone-Propionate, Testosterone-Phenylpropionate, Testosterone-Isocaproate and Testosterone-Decanoate in very specific amounts of each comprising of one total 250mg/ml testosterone compound. When you find Sustanon-250, while this is the original Organon trade name you will find many brands carry this title as well or at least a very similar one but regardless the total mixture should look exactly as follows:


    •Testosterone-Propionate: 30mg
    •Testosterone-Phenylpropionate: 60mg
    •Testosterone-Isocaproate: 60mg
    •Testosterone-Decanoate: 100mg

    To understand the Sustanon-250 compound we only need to understand two specific things; the testosterone hormone itself and how the esters attached affect it; as you understand testosterone in of itself is the same across the board, it is the esters that vary. In that light, as a four part mixture the design is intended to provide active testosterone in a very quick fashion, as is allowed by the attached Propionate and Phenylpropionate esters and to continue the duration of release for a far extending period of time through the following two longer esters; Decanoate being the longest of all. Because of the mixtures variation the user will enjoy an almost instant benefit and one that stretches into a total 18 day half-life in total activity; however, as we will see, although a very long total half-life we cannot view this in the traditional half-life sense of other testosterone forms and frequent injections will often prove to be very necessary.

    As for the direct mode of action regarding the properties of Sustanon-250 the individual will find them to be the same as all testosterone forms, as Sustanon-250 is just that; pure testosterone. As pure testosterone Sustanon-250 is highly anabolic and androgenic, equal on both parts. By its nature as a pure testosterone it will greatly enhance nitrogen retention and overall protein synthesis as well as increase red blood cell count; all very important and intrinsic qualities regarding total anabolic activity. Testosterone also greatly affects the release of the anabolic IGF-1 hormone, therefor when testosterone levels increase more anabolic activity is brought to the table. Further, testosterone has a very positive effect on muscle wasting hormones such as cortisol; cortisol buildup and release is actually inhibited when testosterone is present in adequate amounts, thereby leading to a higher level of total anabolic activity and promoting a physique more apt to building muscle and simply looking and feeling better.


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    The Side-Effects of Sustanon-250:

    If it’s an anabolic androgenic steroid it will carry with it the possibility of negative side-effects and as Sustanon-250 is pure testosterone and as testosterone is the father of all anabolic androgenic steroids, you bet, it carries with it possible side-effects. However, it is also important to keep in mind when speaking of testosterone we are speaking of a hormone we naturally produce, we are not speaking of a foreign substance our body is unfamiliar with; in-fact, while there are possible side-effects you’ll find many over the counter medications commonly carry with them the possibility of far worse side-effects than testosterone and a far greater probability. That is correct, probability plays a role and with responsible use of Sustanon-250 or any testosterone and for that matter most anabolic steroids, side-effects can easily be avoided or at least easily controlled.

    As for the actual side-effects themselves, they will be the same as all testosterone forms, as the testosterone hormone aromatizes greatly and by this aromatase process converts to estrogen. As this conversion occurs and estrogen levels increase such estrogenic related side-effects can occur including Gynecomastia, excess water retention, high blood pressure and issues of a cholesterol nature. These side-effects can be very easily controlled and some will need no method of control as their response will be so positive no negative effect will be found. For those who do experience a buildup of estrogen an good aromatase inhibitor (AI) is highly advised as by the use of an AI you will inhibit the aromatase process from occurring as well as reduce the amount of estrogen in your body; what doesn’t exist cannot cause a problem. One’s diet will also play a large role and to maintain a healthy blood pressure and cholesterol levels it’s always a good idea to follow a diet rich in healthy fats, particularly omega fatty acids.

    There is however another side-effect to Sustanon-250 use and it is and will occur with all testosterone and all anabolic steroids for that matter; testicular atrophy. When anabolic steroids are present in the body they suppress natural testosterone production; each steroid carries with it its own degree of suppression but it will occur none the less. In most all cases testosterone is needed exogenously to maintain proper testosterone levels but thankfully when you’re using Sustanon-250 or any testosterone you’re providing just that; needed testosterone. However, as natural production is now stopped or at least dramatically suppressed the testicles will shrink since this is where the hormone is produced; no, they won’t shrivel into nothing but they will shrink. Even so, once use is discontinued and natural production begins again they will return to their normal size.

    Sustanon-250 – Omnadren – Testoviron:
    They are the three most common testosterone mixtures on the market; Sustanon-250, Omnadren and Testoviron. It is important to note, there is Testoviron and Testoviron Depot, both manufactured by Schering but Testoviron is a mixture while Testoviron Depot is simply Testosterone-Enanthate. Of the three forms Sustanon-250 and Omnadren are almost identical with only the final ester being different but still in the same level of dosing; as you recall the final ester in Sustanon-250 is Decanoate while in Omnadren it is Caproate; both dosed at 100mg. In the end, assuming both products are of a high quality nature the difference in the two compounds will be virtually non-existent. As for Testoviron we have a slightly different compound, a mixture of Testosterone-Enanthate and Testosterone-Propionate. The strong majority of the Testoviron compound will be Enanthate but you will find this compound comes dosed at as little as 50mg/ml up to 250mg/ml with a few options in-between. In the end, while a very quality product and perhaps the most efficient of the three for the performance enhancer Testoviron is also the most unique of the three simply because the total releasing time is far less in total duration than the previous two. However, all three compounds are quality if they are real and all three can produce the same results.

    Sustanon-250 Cycles & Doses:
    It really doesn’t matter what your goals are or your intended general purpose; Sustanon-250 is not an TRT steroid, it is not a performance enhancing steroid, it’s not a bulking steroid, it’s not a cutting steroid; Sustanon-250 is all of these things and to an equal degree in each. As Sust, as it is commonly known in the performance enhancing world is testosterone it is a fine choice for any cycle and often, as is responsible the foundational piece of a good cycle. For the healthy adult male very few and we mean very few will find they have a negative reaction due to supplemental use even in supraphysiological doses.

    For the TRT patient who is prescribed Sustanon-250, dosing can vary quite dramatically depending on what your doctor deems necessary as well as his knowledge of the hormone; for this reason we highly recommend you find a physician who is very familiar with TRT procedures and most general practitioners are not. Generally dosing will range in the 250mg every 2wks but this is by no means set in stone but is a solid general dosing. For those who find themselves looking for performance level dosing 500mg per week will generally be the minimal dosing you’ll need and while this would be the minimum it will be in many cases all you ever need as 500mg per week is far above natural production and will greatly enhance the individual. As with all testosterone forms doses in more ? circles commonly go to 1,000mg per week and even more at the elite level but as the dose increases so do the chances of adverse side-effects.

    As for the duration of use Sustanon-250 like all testosterones can be used for long extended periods of time, there’s really not a specific set time we can label as the longest you should ever use any testosterone medication. However, you will in most cases find 12 weeks to be the minimal time frame; yes, 8 weeks can produce results but 12 weeks will be far more optimal with 16 weeks generally being about perfect for a really good enhancement. Of course the TRT patient is a very different story as he will more than likely be using some form of testosterone for the rest of his life
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    GREAT TEA = MASK THE ? to PASS DOPING TEST (for Steroids)

    Green tea can mask the ?


    Can green tea be used to hide steroid use from ? tests?

    Researchers at London’s Kingston University found that people wanting to get away with taking performance-enhancing drugs should start drinking green and white teas. According to the researchers, a compound found in green and white tea (but not in black) called catechins inhibits the enzyme in the body that releases testosterone into the ? . ”The catechins stop enzymes tagging molecules for excretion so the kidneys don’t recognize them as needing to be removed and leave them circulating in the body,” explains lead researcher Professor Declan Naughton, from the University’s School of Life Sciences. “We found that green and white tea could inhibit the enzyme by about 30 per cent. The levels of catechins in a strong cup of green tea matched those we used in our experiments.”

    Unfortunately for athletes on PEDs, the effect is only good for masking testosterone in he ? – blood and hair tests will still get you busted. On the bright side, the research also suggests that the body will keep more of its natural testosterone after drinking green and white tea because it isn’t excreting it in the ? . ”It’s like having extra testosterone without actually taking any,” Professor Naughton said. ”By not excreting it from the body, athletes could potentially increase their testosterone levels for improved performance.”
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    Performance enhancers viewed as more OK for academic than athletic pursuits


    College students think it is more unethical for athletes to use steroids than for students to pop stimulants like Adderall.

    A research study published in the American Psychological Association journal Psychology of Addictive Behaviors found that young male college students think it is more unethical for athletes to use steroid drugs than it is for them to use stimulants while studying. The study also revealed that students who used stimulants were even more inclined to be biased toward an athlete’s use of performance enhancers and less inclined to see anything wrong with their own drug use to give them an edge in studying.

    “This is consistent with the idea that using performance enhancers is viewed as less ethical in the sporting world than in the academic world,” said the study’s lead author, Tonya Dodge, PhD, of George Washington University. “Interestingly, the students in our study considered off-label prescription drug use as more effective for success than using steroids.”

    The study was done at Pennsylvania State University, where around 1,200 college freshmen answered a questionaire that compared two different scenarios – one about a track and field athlete who needed to catch up on training and another about a student who needed to catch up on studying. The athlete used steroids to get in shape, the student used stimulants to cram for midterms. The athlete won his race and the student scored high in his tests. The participants in the study were then asked to judge which person was more the cheater and if they themselves had ever used steroids or stimulants, such as Adderall or Ritilan, without a prescription. They were also asked if they had played high school sports.

    The results of the questionaire showed that the participants significantly viewed the athlete on steroids as more the cheater than the student on stimulants. Less than 1 percent of the participants reported using steroids, while 8 percent admitted to using stimulants. Also, students who admitted to stimulant use were especially more inclined to view the athlete as a cheater and so were students who had played high school sports. Overall, the participants viewed performance enhancing drugs in sport as cheating while using performance enhancing drugs for learning as OK.

    “One reason students may have felt Adderall was more necessary than steroids for success is because people may believe intelligence is less malleable than athletic ability. This view of intelligence might have led the students in this study to believe that taking Adderall would increase intellectual capacity,” said Dodge. “This research can help mold future prevention efforts around off-label prescription stimulant use in the academic world.”
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    ok the ? is kicking in a little, libido is shooting up a little and I have acne on the back, I take that rather then having in on the face........


    I was going to shoot test prop and Master M.W,F but I am going to do it M,W,F,SUN that's because the lowest you can dose it is MWF but it's best to do it every other day.....

    I am going 4 days because the pinning got real easy and it's little to no pain....

    PINNING TOMORROW IN THE RIGHT QUAD