Who do ya'll consider the greatest "over-achiever'' in hiphop history?
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LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.
Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.
Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a ? about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their ? then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.
There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records. [/quote]
You still didn't hit the mark. The bold point shows you were close yet..you just didn't say it.
You're just beating around the bush...I'll say it for you then. White people.
White executives made it possible for Kurtis Blow to be first rapper with a gold record. Who bought those records back then when Whites thought it was a fad? Black kids in the hood. But now since they know it isn't a fad they want a piece of what we've created and suck it dry like they did all the other Black invented music and they're still vampires.
Imagine if white people got on Hip Hop like we did back then...he would've went platinum.
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Just say what's on your mind you blues clues ass ? , do i look like clairvoyant to you?
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LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.
Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.
Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a ? about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their ? then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.
There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records.
This used to be the case, but now (or at least at some point) the labels can create a star based on hype and promotion. An artist can make another Rapper's Delight, and have the same amount of talent and overall qualities as those artists, but if they don't have that initial buzz, the labels won't deal with them.
Look at Chief Keef. We all know dude is hot ? butter and a missing chromosome away from being a do do bird, but Interscope believed in him because he had Youtube views. They tried to capitalize off his buzz, but failed because outside his niche crowd, the public wasn't feelin him. Now, if he did succeed like Soulja Boy before, people would look at him and say he's a star. Speaking of which, Soulja Boy was a "star", but none of his music is hitting right now.
It takes more than "swag" and star quality to make a credible artist. You gotta have skills and musical ability. You mentioned MJ and Prince, but them dudes were musical geniuses. They wouldn't lasted half as long in the game if they didn't have talent. Labels have been focusing so much on buzz and mistaking it for true star quality that it's starting to blow up in their face, word to Kreayshawn.
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and you don't laugh at him during family reunions?
actually, I'm not really cool with that ? anymore. That ? did a hoe move
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86OkZEUgF_E
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Waka Flaka Flames
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Insane Clown Posse
You're trying to tell me that 2 white guys rapping from Detroit with clown makeup on and doing their thing on the independent circuit have been doing it longer than your favourite rapper, and with a following that's more loyal than almost any other fanbase, and more psychotic than most fanbases?
And they've put out more albums and sold more albums than most rappers.
I don't even listen to their music. I've never bumped a single song by them, and couldn't tell you the first thing about them. But what they've done is the definition of overachieving. -
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Jay-Z most of my comment didn't post i'ma try it again
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? really saying Wayne and Jay like these ? cant rap
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Insane Clown Posse owns this thread
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Wayne worked his ? ass off.
all them squad up tapes , features n mix tapes, carter 1 & 2 all goin under the radar from 03-05.
until 06', when ? started catching on. instead of ceasing , Wayne grind even harder like only a handful before him. yet he's an over achiever???
as a black man , you don't get to achieve ? in this world . without bussin ya ass harder then everyone around u.
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Kanye West- he came up in an era where hip hop was about being tough and being street, and being an oddball in the roc. Who would have thought this time 10 years ago that Kanye would be this big of a star
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? up that last post I had to edit it.
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Jay-z close thread
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lmaoooo but your answer makes no senseI Am Jay ? wrote: »Jay-z close thread
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Rick Ross....
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Rick Ross.
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ICP
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Nelly
Ja Rule
Lil Wayne
Jay-Z
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Rick Ross no doubt in my mind takes this title hands down. Jay, Wayne, 50, have all achieved more than him musicly or artisticly. ? like Nelly and Ja Rule don't even count - not relavent and Jeezy really ain't on his level of success for real.
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Wayne worked his ? ass off.
all them squad up tapes , features n mix tapes, carter 1 & 2 all goin under the radar from 03-05.
until 06', when ? started catching on. instead of ceasing , Wayne grind even harder like only a handful before him. yet he's an over achiever???
as a black man , you don't get to achieve ? in this world . without bussin ya ass harder then everyone around u.
Wayne earned his ?
Exactly why i put overachiever and underachiever. He should be a top 5 ? but he truly disappointed me as a former fan of his. -
Smh @ jay and em being listed. They both rap better than a lot of your favorite rappers. Only on the IC.
Anyway, I'm rolling with Gucci mane. This dude CAN'T rap to save his life yet people are on his ? like he be spittin that knowledge. This cat should've been out the game already. -
LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.
Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.
Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a ? about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their ? then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.
There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records.
This used to be the case, but now (or at least at some point) the labels can create a star based on hype and promotion. An artist can make another Rapper's Delight, and have the same amount of talent and overall qualities as those artists, but if they don't have that initial buzz, the labels won't deal with them.
Look at Chief Keef. We all know dude is hot ? butter and a missing chromosome away from being a do do bird, but Interscope believed in him because he had Youtube views. They tried to capitalize off his buzz, but failed because outside his niche crowd, the public wasn't feelin him. Now, if he did succeed like Soulja Boy before, people would look at him and say he's a star. Speaking of which, Soulja Boy was a "star", but none of his music is hitting right now.
It takes more than "swag" and star quality to make a credible artist. You gotta have skills and musical ability. You mentioned MJ and Prince, but them dudes were musical geniuses. They wouldn't lasted half as long in the game if they didn't have talent. Labels have been focusing so much on buzz and mistaking it for true star quality that it's starting to blow up in their face, word to Kreayshawn.LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.
Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.
Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a ? about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their ? then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.
There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records.
This used to be the case, but now (or at least at some point) the labels can create a star based on hype and promotion. An artist can make another Rapper's Delight, and have the same amount of talent and overall qualities as those artists, but if they don't have that initial buzz, the labels won't deal with them.
Look at Chief Keef. We all know dude is hot ? butter and a missing chromosome away from being a do do bird, but Interscope believed in him because he had Youtube views. They tried to capitalize off his buzz, but failed because outside his niche crowd, the public wasn't feelin him. Now, if he did succeed like Soulja Boy before, people would look at him and say he's a star. Speaking of which, Soulja Boy was a "star", but none of his music is hitting right now.
It takes more than "swag" and star quality to make a credible artist. You gotta have skills and musical ability. You mentioned MJ and Prince, but them dudes were musical geniuses. They wouldn't lasted half as long in the game if they didn't have talent. Labels have been focusing so much on buzz and mistaking it for true star quality that it's starting to blow up in their face, word to Kreayshawn.
This post reeks of ? -ness, if record labels could create stars like that, THE MUSIC BUSINESS WOULDN'T BE IN THE SHAMBLES THAT IT IS IN.
You ? are so ? predictable with your promo and hype nonsense. Just use some ? logic for one second (i know that's hard for you ? ), if hype/promo really worked then why isn't Interscope, Sony, Warner Bros,etc using it for all their artist if it guarantees success. Record labels put out 100's of albums every year and a good 90+ % don't even see gold much less ? 100k sold.
The Chief Kief example is ? stupid too, i always notice people like you always use extreme examples (some wack rapper who succeeds like Soulja Boy), but what you fail to mention is dudes like that have no longevity. Stars have the skillset,talent, and mass appeal (Pac, Dre, Jay, Big,etc) and their music is timeless. Anyone can throw out a name like Chief Kief, Vanilla Ice, Gucci,etc as the norm, but those dudes will flame out in the mainstream in a second.
No one said anything about swag ? , YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO BROUGHT UP SWAG. What i've from the beginning is stars is technically skilled, have that certain ''it'' factor,etc. No one said swag.
You act as if people like Jay, Pac, Biggie, etc aren't as technically skilled (if not more) than someone like a Mos Def, Talib,etc. I would even go further are say Jay, Pac, Biggie are more gifted in their songwriting ability.
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LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.
Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.
Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a ? about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their ? then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.
There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records.
This used to be the case, but now (or at least at some point) the labels can create a star based on hype and promotion. An artist can make another Rapper's Delight, and have the same amount of talent and overall qualities as those artists, but if they don't have that initial buzz, the labels won't deal with them.
Look at Chief Keef. We all know dude is hot ? butter and a missing chromosome away from being a do do bird, but Interscope believed in him because he had Youtube views. They tried to capitalize off his buzz, but failed because outside his niche crowd, the public wasn't feelin him. Now, if he did succeed like Soulja Boy before, people would look at him and say he's a star. Speaking of which, Soulja Boy was a "star", but none of his music is hitting right now.
It takes more than "swag" and star quality to make a credible artist. You gotta have skills and musical ability. You mentioned MJ and Prince, but them dudes were musical geniuses. They wouldn't lasted half as long in the game if they didn't have talent. Labels have been focusing so much on buzz and mistaking it for true star quality that it's starting to blow up in their face, word to Kreayshawn.
This post reeks of ? -ness, if record labels could create stars like that, THE MUSIC BUSINESS WOULDN'T BE IN THE SHAMBLES THAT IT IS IN.
You ? are so ? predictable with your promo and hype nonsense. Just use some ? logic for one second (i know that's hard for you ? ), if hype/promo really worked then why isn't Interscope, Sony, Warner Bros,etc using it for all their artist if it guarantees success. Record labels put out 100's of albums every year and a good 90+ % don't even see gold much less ? 100k sold.
The Chief Kief example is ? stupid too, i always notice people like you always use extreme examples (some wack rapper who succeeds like Soulja Boy), but what you fail to mention is dudes like that have no longevity. Stars have the skillset,talent, and mass appeal (Pac, Dre, Jay, Big,etc) and their music is timeless. Anyone can throw out a name like Chief Kief, Vanilla Ice, Gucci,etc as the norm, but those dudes will flame out in the mainstream in a second.
No one said anything about swag ? , YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO BROUGHT UP SWAG. What i've from the beginning is stars is technically skilled, have that certain ''it'' factor,etc. No one said swag.
You act as if people like Jay, Pac, Biggie, etc aren't as technically skilled (if not more) than someone like a Mos Def, Talib,etc. I would even go further are say Jay, Pac, Biggie are more gifted in their songwriting ability.
OK, let's look at Eminem. He was in the Pac/Big/Nas class, he's old as ? . He put out Infinite in his 20s, ? tanked. He couldn't even blow up in that era, when hip hop was in its prime. It took a Dre cosign and a shitload of Interscope money to make him the "star" he is today. Now Em is my dude, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like Interscope didn't build him like a Frankenstein monster. Not saying he isn't a star naturally, but it takes the right push to get a dude like that where he is now.
Jay is a better example. Son was under Big Daddy Kane. He could've debuted with Rakim and them. That ? got held back two whole classes before he graduated, per se. ? Shyhiem got on before him. Why would someone with so much "it" factor, as you say it, take so long to blow up if he was supposed to naturally do so? RD wasn't even that successful initially, and that was his best album. There's a difference between an album financed by drug money and an album financed by the biggest touring company in the world. Of course Jay would be as big as he is with 100 mil+ behind him. Without that ? , he'd be Hawaiian Sophie.
My point is this... taking nothing from anyone, Jay and Em are two of the best to do it, period. But the stars don't make themselves, the industry makes them. The people eventually have a say, but only if they buy what the industry is selling them. You can apply that to anyone that has ever made a single dime off entertainment. Some people succeed (Jay, Pac, Big), some people don't (Chief Keef, Kreayshawn). It's partly because the failures suck, but mostly because it's a competition. The execs know you gotta undercut anyone to make it, even if the product is horrible. We are not listeners to them, we are consumers, and they will sell us anything as long as we buy it. Lil Wayne from 08 til now has been suckin ? on the mic, but let's not act like Birdman ain't one of the brightest and most vicious business minds in the industry. A million people flocked to buy the same wack ass rehashed album in a week... twice... neither of them getting any play beyond a year. Does that say more about Wayne's "star quality", or Birdman's business savvy? It's music business, and if the business ain't right, the music and the artist is worthless... at least in that particular business.
