What Does Racial Progress Look Like?

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  • LightYearzAhead
    LightYearzAhead Members Posts: 66
    edited January 2013
    Could it be that Obama was cloned to look and sound black, and given fake parents as a cover up...hmm!
  • Trollio
    Trollio Members Posts: 25,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somebody go log off and eat pork
  • Amotekun
    Amotekun Members Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amotekun wrote: »
    7fIG wrote: »
    I'd guess it would start with unification / organization within that race.

    came in here to say this. This is the only card left to play and it's worked before at varying levels. That's why it's puzzling why blacks don't use it. Whites have it perfected. A white dude kills a bunch of people; he's mentally ill. A black dude kills 1 person, he's a savage. They'll protect their own till their dying breath, no matter what. (Nothing wrong with that, that's how it should be as long as you have a leg to stand on) A black man gets a little success and moves his family to a part of town with better schools and he's a ? uncle tom. Then they say ? like "black people don't even want to live around black people". Well name one successful white person that's still in the trailer park. Racial progress looks like a unified front on all levels. If every dollar touched 2-5 people of said race before it exits the circle, you'd see undeniable progress.

    Only thing about it is an up and coming Black person isnt moving otu the hood into a middle class black suburb or upper class black community, they are uprooting their family and moving them into a predominantly white community in order to satisfy the notion of moving on up.

    This is counter productive...

    Not all black people move to predominantly white communities to "satisfy the notion of moving on up," but rather moving their children to a safer environment so that they might be exposed to better socioeconomic opportunities?

    Lets just be honest here, safe middle class black suburbs/upper class black communities are few and far between.

    Just because you're black doesn't mean you have to live around black people your entire life. That doesn't promote racial integration and harmony. Separatism is not going to solve anything.

    So you mean to tell me that all these other ethnic groups jews, italians, mexicans, asians, irish, etc, etc with their protective enclaves [separatism] and relative upwardly mobile economic and political ambitions is is sheer coincidence compared to black people who practice the very opposite and getted stepped on and pimped out?

  • leftcoastkev
    leftcoastkev Members Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    I'm glad I live where I live. The main thing that separates people is money.

    As long as you're useful to the next persons bottom line (pockets), race is *typically* looked over for the "greater good".

    I'm not saying it's all good, but things don't always revolve around the "black/white" dynamic.
  • Amotekun
    Amotekun Members Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    play your role ? will forget you black?

    A lot of ? tried that ? ...its all good for a minute
    til its not. RIght now you an asset but when you start tippin
    the scale of asset____liability then you see where you stand.
  • DarcSkies
    DarcSkies Members Posts: 13,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Economic empowerment, and end to the war on drugs (i.e. war on blacks and Hispanics)

    Those things are what truly keeps blacks from rising to the top. Most of the country's racism cant just be "voted" out because its institutionalized and a part of America's core and identity. So true racial progress will be seen in the form of more minorities getting into a position (slowly but surely) to be able to pass wealth down to our kids so they have the same head start white kids get.

    Til then, there will be no racial progress. A black president doesnt really mean much to blacks living in inner cities. Thats as moronic as saying sexism in Blue States is no longer an issue because HIllary Clinton almost got the nomination in 2008. Or xenophobia is no longer an issue because Minnesota has a muslim representative to the House.

    The president being black dont mean ? if your CREDITOR & BANKERS are still white as Lucifer.
  • usmarin3
    usmarin3 Members Posts: 38,013 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's gonna be a while imo, you have to think that we still have a generation from the civil rights era and contrary to popular belief we are still segregated in where we live, school system,etc.

    If anything i think America will move from a racial based society to a class society like how the UK is. Class warfare is more of an issue than race right now.
  • playmaker88
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  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thinking of races as nothing more than various groups, racial progress would tend to move towards a complete absence of disparity of power between various groups.

    A more equal footing for all. Of course to attain this whites would have to give up some power
    and we already know that people who have power never give that ? up unless they will be benefited in some way
  • Amotekun
    Amotekun Members Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RodrigueZz wrote: »
    Thinking of races as nothing more than various groups, racial progress would tend to move towards a complete absence of disparity of power between various groups.

    A more equal footing for all. Of course to attain this whites would have to give up some power
    and we already know that people who have power never give that ? up unless they will be benefited in some way


    When people think of equal thats equal as in comparison to what? White folks? I dont want to be like white or to proceed to work that I may live and act and do as they do because they are a self destructive parasite on the whole body called earth.

    Its deeper than race because we existed long before the idea of race? Before the idea of nations and borders? Its about justice and its about harmony...simpatico. Our struggle is about justice not climbing to the point where white people are because we'll just turn around and become just like them and in truth many of us have already.
  • cobbland
    cobbland Members Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Worth reading if interested:

    “ ‘The special function of the ? intellectual is a cultural one. He should take to the rostrum and assail the stultifying blight of the commercially depraved white middle-class who has poisoned the structural roots of the American ethos and transformed the American people into a nation of intellectual dolts. He should explain the economic and institutional causes of this American cultural depravity. He should tell black America how and why Negroes are trapped in this cultural degeneracy, and how it has dehumanized their essential identity, squeezed the lifeblood of their inherited cultural ingredients out of them, and then relegated them to the cultural slums. They should tell this brain-washed white America, this “nation of sheep,” this overfed, overdeveloped, overprivileged (but culturally pauperized) federation of unassimilated European remnants that their days of grace are numbered.*’”[1]
    [1] Robert L. Allen, Black Awakening in Capitalist America (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1969), p. 147. Footnote *: Cruse, pp. 455-56 (New York: William Morrow, 1967).


  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amotekun wrote: »
    RodrigueZz wrote: »
    Thinking of races as nothing more than various groups, racial progress would tend to move towards a complete absence of disparity of power between various groups.

    A more equal footing for all. Of course to attain this whites would have to give up some power
    and we already know that people who have power never give that ? up unless they will be benefited in some way


    When people think of equal thats equal as in comparison to what? White folks? I dont want to be like white or to proceed to work that I may live and act and do as they do because they are a self destructive parasite on the whole body called earth.

    Its deeper than race because we existed long before the idea of race? Before the idea of nations and borders? Its about justice and its about harmony...simpatico. Our struggle is about justice not climbing to the point where white people are because we'll just turn around and become just like them and in truth many of us have already.

    I was thinking more a socialist type of society in terms of egalitarianism, collectivism and community being stressed more. So much so that the disparity disappears not because minority groups have somehow managed to pull themselves out of the hole that white people pushed them into but rather because everyone has decided that unity is what is best for our success as a species.

    Of course this would never happen for many reason.

    People at the top of the hierarchy will do anything to remain there. And sadly they have the resources to do anything.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We all should start acknowledging that there is only one race, the human race. Race is a colonist concept that was created to be counterproductive and divisive as the rich pillage the resources of the earth. So "racial" progress is really an oxymoron and you'll always have conflict, wars, scapegoats, holocausts etc due to this bogus concept called "Race"

    We know better than anyone bruh. Black people have done more for racial tolerance than any other ethnic group on the planet.

    But we can acknowledge there is technically "only one race" and still have our own enclaves. Everyone else does.
  • TheFix
    TheFix Members Posts: 778 ✭✭✭✭
    Down with titangraphs. I can sum this ? up.....
    Personal responsibility fiscal responsibility, economic, and moral ambition as well as integrity in each individual. Synergy among the parts to move each "Race" forward. Ask the Jews. They'll tell you the same.
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i dont think jews give a ? about black folks b
    and thats part of the problem

    its been a few times on the internet where i've argued a stance and people assume i am white, black, asian or whatever because I am defending a certain group
    people got this "? everyone else but the group i belong to" mentality and nobody wants to stand up for people who arent part of their group

    that attitude needs to die imo
  • Billy_Poncho
    Billy_Poncho Members Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Racial progress is when it's done through one's own will, not it being legislated away. Someone would rather a bully not beat them up because they realize the wrong in it rather than them saying they won't do it because they might get in trouble for it.
  • Undergroundraplegend
    Undergroundraplegend Members Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    We all should start acknowledging that there is only one race, the human race. Race is a colonist concept that was created to be counterproductive and divisive as the rich pillage the resources of the earth. So "racial" progress is really an oxymoron and you'll always have conflict, wars, scapegoats, holocausts etc due to this bogus concept called "Race"

    except its hard its hard to take that knowing whats happening to our race and the fact these white leaders continue to go into africa and exploit our leaders and ? other coloreds around the world.


    and the race concept has been brought up amongst people longer then colonial.
  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    Amotekun wrote: »
    @Thefix

    Barack isn't the first "Black" US president. Hell he isnt even the second.

    So what has having a Black face in leadership position done for the collective
    of Black people?

    First of all @ amo great topic.

    You my ? here and at the comic section of the boards.

    That being said, instead of "John Hansoning" these people, explain to them the knowledge they are ignorant of b4 making your point.

    I think theres a natural disconnect between the educational backgrounds and comprehension amongst... In fact its only natural so we all cant debate this on the same level.

    That being said.. Race is simply a tool we have remastered reused and altered to how we want to ever since its been invented.

    So you want to know when racoal progression meets its real fruition? Never, not until er eliminate the whole stupid and false notion of race ib the first place.

    Naturally we're gonna eventually evolve into a society that cant be divided into racial backgrounds evenly anymore.

    So then what? Make up new races?

    Its funny how ablack man can be mad at a white man for looking down at them but he/she can turn around and do the same thing to someone they think or know is "haitian", "somalian", "mexican", or etc.

    But as long as race exist its just a tool we have all continue to use based purely on our experiences combined with pscyhological and emotional attachments we can't separate from despite how hard we try.

    #endrace

    (in b4 someone says but how imma start to identify suspects n ? posts)
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really wish black people would stop being so ? naive, there will be no end to the race concept. It will always be us vs them wake up and see that. This is not ? star trek the different races of earth are not going to hold hands and unite. Except the reality of race. we are at war with all the other races on earth it's a war for our very genetic and cultural survival we have to dominate or be dominated. Death or slavery to the weakling wealth to the strong.You choose. Politics is warfare . Economics is warfare. In both areas black people are losing because many of us don't even know we are in a war. Instead ? want to integrate or progress right into the grave and the sad part is we are doing so with a smile on our faces.
  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amotekun wrote: »
    Ok its changed attitudes about how far up we may allegedly participate in the system...
    but what has that done about the execution of education, wealth redistribution into Black hands
    international brotherhood and such?

    all the things you described come from WITHIN the community

    Not some mythical black deity


    No one man could ever do that, so why should Obama be expected to?
  • Amotekun
    Amotekun Members Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    haute wrote: »
    Amotekun wrote: »
    Ok its changed attitudes about how far up we may allegedly participate in the system...
    but what has that done about the execution of education, wealth redistribution into Black hands
    international brotherhood and such?

    all the things you described come from WITHIN the community

    Not some mythical black deity


    No one man could ever do that, so why should Obama be expected to?

    Nah nah haute miss me with that.

    What political president gains almost 100% of a vote
    and isnt expected to quo pro ont he quid? Only Black
    folks accept that ? .

    What you mean no one man could do that? FDR managed to
    do that ? just fine during his presidency...it was called the
    New Deal.

    You are right though, the only people who's coming our resuce
    are ourselves...when Black folk in general start looking at Beezy
    like any other president before they'll understand they gotta get it for
    themselves.
  • cannonspike1994
    cannonspike1994 Members Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Race is a social construct
  • haute
    haute Members Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    the new deal wouldn't have meant anything if the people weren't active, the new deals success was based on people getting up and actually DOING something

    Back then their was a sense of community people understood that the collective had to move along with having leadership

    But today the only thing you hear people talk about is what someone else should be doing with no talk about what they actually bring to the conversation


    Expecting someone else to save you is the reason why their is no progress


    Change starts at home

    Obama can pass all the legislation in world and ? will still be crying over 40 acres and mule not be handed to them

  • Amotekun
    Amotekun Members Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    haute wrote: »
    the new deal wouldn't have meant anything if the people weren't active, the new deals success was based on people getting up and actually DOING something

    Back then their was a sense of community people understood that the collective had to move along with having leadership

    But today the only thing you hear people talk about is what someone else should be doing with no talk about what they actually bring to the conversation


    Expecting someone else to save you is the reason why their is no progress


    Change starts at home

    Obama can pass all the legislation in world and ? will still be crying over 40 acres and mule not be handed to them


    Thats the thing though Black peopel expect Obama to save them. Thats
    why they voted for them. There is a certain level of expectation each group
    expects from the prez. ? expect a equal marriage act to be signed within
    the next two years. Hispanics expect an immigration reform, corporations expect
    extensions to tax cuts and bail outs...military expects extension of military operations
    and expanding budgets.

    Black people should expect something...we have a right to. As far as 40 acres and a mule.
    Reparations...compensation for unpaid wages is the only way Black people are going to
    acquire the capital necessary to build a solid infrastructure with today's dollars. That and tax
    exempt status.

    You are right though the only way its gonna happen is if Black folks get out and fight for it...but so
    far Black people tend to only wanna flex every four years when liberal democrats call us up out
    the basement and riddle us with tales of how republicans and conservatives are conspiring to strip
    our voting rights that our ancestors marched and died for. FOH.
  • _Jay_
    _Jay_ Members, Administrators Posts: 3,689 My Name Is My Name.
    This thread should be in R & R also.