Why is hard for people to let go a belief in a ? ?
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FuriousOne wrote: »Actually my position is that i think and know ? is real. however it is irrelavent if he really exist or not. The ? concept is real it's affects are measurable and evidence for it's existence can be experienced. The bolded is wrong.
You can be successful with out ? and so can a religion, the question is successful at what. Those who have tried to create a godless society have created horrors and only horrors, in every aspect those nations have not been as good and prosperous as those that have embraced ? /gods. jim jones was an atheist who used religion for evil. Give me one example of another species other than our own that can intentionally drive others to extinction? If we want to we can ? on life on earth gamma bombs biological weapons there are a variety of ways we can destroy life here , we are thinking of new ways all the time. bacteria cannot write a sonnet so please don't compare us to germs it's ridiculous.
drug dealers in brooklyn don't ? to survive they do that ? so they can get fresh buy sneakers and expensive cars, they don't do that ? to eat.THERE IS NO REAL GHETTO IN AMERICA what you guys have is poor neigborhoods. I know ? in brooklyn WHO grew up with a roof over there heads, food free water lights and free school. if you want to see a ghetto where people are busting there gun to survive you have to leave this country.
LOOK i understand where you are coming from your ideology makes sense on paper and on screen. unfortunately it much like socialism does not really work or at least it does not work by itself, but it's a nice idea.
You have no proof of your ? other then fuzzy feelings. Does bacteria need to make a sonnet? Do we? I was actually comparing our makeup and overall intent. I was also comparing our ability to co-opt other organisms. Our ability to destroy our evironment and other animals doesn't make our position on earth a noble one. Still, with all the bombs and bio weapons we have, we will only destroy ourselves. Bacteria actually eats nuclear waste, virii adapt on the fly are are now considered super virii, and animals that can, and animals that can repopulate from a lone survivor. It only to a single organism to evolve to all of the organisms we see now including us. We wouldn't have enough anyway. We are still surviving the same as them. As i said, we had to fight to become what we are and we are fortunate no other organism beat us to the punch.
Jim Jones used religion they same way others have. To make money and draw converts to preserver your doctrine because you think it is the best method for survival. He was just crazier than most. Look at Northern Europe for an example of a society that doesn't require religion to succeed. I've never seen a society that isn't dysfunctional in spite of religion. I've seen plenty of failed states that were heavily theistic throughout history. Many societies that didn't practice theistic religion created a religion of personality (similar to a living ? ). You did mention earlier that religion aided in unifying nations, well how exactly did they go about that? Did mass murder not occur then? It guess the cameras weren't rolling at that point. As i said, following any religion (even a non theistic one) blindly is a disservice to the progress of mankind.
Please do not assume that everybody in bk was living the "paid in full" lifestyle. Personally I've starved on days and our family shopped at used clothing stores. Everybody who hustled didn't have a brand new pair of kicks and that wasn't the only hustle. Actually most people who wore fancy clothing bootlegged and boosted it unless their parents had a descent job. I was saying that the intent was to survive but it got out of hand. If you want to speak on sociology, the purpose of dressing fancy is to attract a mate and compete for top position. Humans have a tendency to pervert their survival mechanisms.
Drug dealing was glorified by the media (for economic gain) but most low level dealers were just trying to eat especially when there weren't enough jobs to go around or a proper education to obtain one. I can't say it wasn't the most ignorant choice and the majority didn't make that choice but laws were needed discourage that choice further. The church didn't do much to stop what occurred and many professed their love for the lord while poisoning their communities. The funny thing is places like Africa, and the Americas were doing just fine surviving as a society until religious Christian imperialist came brandishing their banners. Sure they had war and Animist\Pagan religions, but they weren't suffering in ghettos.
My argument has nothing with to do with trying to prove the supernatural ? and i have already told you why that is impossible. so stop bringing it up lets move forward in our debate. I am talking about the concept of ? being the best way for man to free himself of his base urges. This concept civilizes man better than any other it strengthens him more than any other and motives him to survive or die BETTER than any other. You have no proof that bacteria would have evolved into intelligence you also have no proof that that evolution of intelligence is the norm for life. perhaps life does not go past bacteria maybe that's the norm in the universe and humanity is even more special than i previously thought. Yes we have to create art it's another thing that makes us different from most animals.
Sorry, but my doctrine is not jim jones doctrine that man was an atheist and a communist he used religion to push people to atheism. Northern europe is a dying society atheist always like to brag about northern europe but the native people of that land are barely having babies and have to import masses of people from other nations to keep their economies running. Religion unites A people not all people just those who believe, when they come into contact with those who don't believe this often leads to bloodshed, this is not the religions fault it is usually the fault of the people who use the religion for political and monetary gains. There have been many jim joneses in history that is the downside of all religion theistic or not so you cannot blame the ? concept for starting war you can however attribute the strength of the people fighting back against their invaders to the ? concept.
I know exactly how brooklyn is because when i came from jamaica that's where i lived and the vast majority of drug dealers that i came across did not have to do that ? and they certainly did not have to do it for so long. The whole i gotta eat i am only selling this ? to survive is an excuse for doing what you know is wrong. FOOLS out there are not selling dime bags to pay rent or pay community college bills or buy food. those who really do sell to survive are in the extreme minority. I know of no church that supported drug dealings there might have been a crooked pastor here or there but the church supporting ? ?? which church was this. religion only comes into imerialism as an excuse not a cause, WHITES cared nothing about who the africans worshiped until TheY wanted to control us for money. African people being in the ghetto today has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with economics politics and bad side of capitalism.
Stopped reading after the bolded.
What is the problem with what i have said.
You know that bacteria exist, man.
Why did you use that as a example. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
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@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ? -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then? -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then?
Human culture. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then?
Human culture.
What about the other apes, big cats, dogs, and etc?
Morality didn't just start with us. That would be stupid.
I'll agree with you on philosophy, art, language and etc.
Morality evolved from animals. Mammals have brains like we do. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then?
Human culture.
What about the other apes, big cats, dogs, and etc?
Morality didn't just start with us. That would be stupid.
I'll agree with you on philosophy, art, language and etc.
Morality evolved from animals. Mammals have brains like we do.
The human brain is unlike any other brain if animals had brains like ours then they would be as intelligent as we are. lions tiger and other big cats have no morals, domesticated animals like dogs have no morals but they can learn to react a certain way to human stimuli. animals don't think deep
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@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then?
Human culture.
What about the other apes, big cats, dogs, and etc?
Morality didn't just start with us. That would be stupid.
I'll agree with you on philosophy, art, language and etc.
Morality evolved from animals. Mammals have brains like we do.
The human brain is unlike any other brain if animals had brains like ours then they would be as intelligent as we are. lions tiger and other big cats have no morals, domesticated animals like dogs have no morals but they can learn to react a certain way to human stimuli. animals don't think deep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Bd-bVgCfM
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@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then?
Human culture.
What about the other apes, big cats, dogs, and etc?
Morality didn't just start with us. That would be stupid.
I'll agree with you on philosophy, art, language and etc.
Morality evolved from animals. Mammals have brains like we do.
The human brain is unlike any other brain if animals had brains like ours then they would be as intelligent as we are. lions tiger and other big cats have no morals, domesticated animals like dogs have no morals but they can learn to react a certain way to human stimuli. animals don't think deephttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Bd-bVgCfM
The video proved nothing .monkeys playing with each other does not equal morals cats taking care of others does not equal morals. morals require thought and not just social behavior. The social behavior displayed by animals can easily be explained as being nothing more than survival tactics that help keep group cohesion strong among social.
HUMANS however can act nice to other humans that they have no connection too, in fact we can even care about our enemies. -
@ohhhla
read closer. I never said that bacteria does not exist , it DOES. he was talking about people being no different than bacteria because we all originated under the laws of evolution and that if we die bacteria or other animals may evolve into another intelligent species i basically told him he has no proof that this could happen because we are the only species with this high level intelliegence and power. this makes us special.
Is a octopus special because of his vision?
Is a Cheetah special because of its speed?
Is a reptile special because it doesn't need to eat as much?
This evolution, Zombie. You know this.
No species is special, just lucky due to their environment and adaption.
By definition we are special because we are the only species that can do what we can do, all those animals have one thing in common they are trapped by their instincts and environment they are also unable to make generational plans. Evolution is no problem for me, if we got those powers because of ? or because of EVOLUTION, it is irrelevant. The fact is we have them and thus are special because we have no proof that THE evolution of our high level intelligence is the norm.
We have big brains so what?
We traded strength for High Intelligent.
Our anatomy is weak, our big brain is problematic, we and many other species are incredibly flawed
Which is why we invent things to protect against nature.
Our big brains make us special the fact that we invented complex machines to protect us from nature makes us special every other creature lives as a part of nature and is trapped by it we are not. we have morality animals do not.
This is not true, at all.
Take a bone from a dog and see what the dog will do.
A dog's reaction to you taking his food has nothing to do with morality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals
Yes, it does.
It knows you're at fault for trying to take something that's not yours
How is that not morality?
what the ? does me being at fault or not have to do with the dog having morality ? do you even know what morality is ?
Morality has something to do with right or wrong.
Animals have this, we're animals that's were it came from.
Humans are apes (monkeys technically), other apes beside us have a sense of morality.
They're not as complex as us but they have morality.
You cannot deny this and no I'm not trolling.
Animals have emotions they do not have the concept of morality. morality takes self reflection on one's actions and judging of those actions.
Where did our morality come from, then?
Human culture.
What about the other apes, big cats, dogs, and etc?
Morality didn't just start with us. That would be stupid.
I'll agree with you on philosophy, art, language and etc.
Morality evolved from animals. Mammals have brains like we do.
The human brain is unlike any other brain if animals had brains like ours then they would be as intelligent as we are. lions tiger and other big cats have no morals, domesticated animals like dogs have no morals but they can learn to react a certain way to human stimuli. animals don't think deephttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Bd-bVgCfM
The video proved nothing .monkeys playing with each other does not equal morals cats taking care of others does not equal morals. morals require thought and not just social behavior. The social behavior displayed by animals can easily be explained as being nothing more than survival tactics that help keep group cohesion strong among social.
HUMANS however can act nice to other humans that they have no connection too, in fact we can even care about our enemies.
What about when a dog rescues another dog or when dolphins rescues humans?
That's not morality? -
alissowack wrote: »If the theory is not "complete", then why is there such an advancing of it? If the science community is in the business of getting things right, then it should have either waited to present it after all the facts are in, or gave a "wave of the hand" explanation for it. Now, it is incorporated into how everyone perceives the way the world came to be. Finding after of years of searching that the theory is not right would really upset things.
My position is that there people who believe in ? who are not trying to provide some miraculous revelation or trying to live in some fantasy world in their head. There are people who believe in ? who are trying to make sense of who we are, what are we doing (or what we are suppose to do), and where we are going by actually looking at the world around them and it is not particularly fair (though I can see why) that some people think that everyone's perception of a deity is the same. It has nothing to do with offering "? " as a scientific explanation. A philosophical argument does allow for unbiased inquiry, but it is treated as if it is.
Because, the theory is based on facts and it's advanced because more facts are being found that aids in supporting that theory. It's not complete because all of the facts haven't been found even though they've been investigated and tested using formulas and simulations. The Big Bang has actually been reproduced and shown to create new elements from old so this goes to say that something can come from something that may always exist in a certain state. The theory has progressed further than the conclusion that ? did it without offering any tangible proof or an equation after all of these centuries.
Still most of what is there supports the theory but people aren't satisfied because there are missing components the same way that this are missing links in the evolution theory. Regardless, using data that supports the theory has led to even more data that supports the theory such as the big bang. Why not teach the methods that got us there and show the overall concept that embodies those methods? In school, you are thought to investigate further which is why we have new scientist adding to discoveries every decade.
It doesn't matter if people perceive ? differently. People perceive everything differently. That is the point of science requiring evidence that can be perceived the same by anyone who cares to test that theory in which it can be actually applied. The overall issue with one offering ? as a scientific explanation is that people claim to follow the laws of this ? (I'm confused how they attributed it to a ? ) and they feel society should follow too. Well, you would have to give me more to go on if you expect to influence my way of life with your claims. I'm sure others ponder ? without including these laws, but they still aren't offering any calculations of competing theories. -
My argument has nothing with to do with trying to prove the supernatural ? and i have already told you why that is impossible. so stop bringing it up lets move forward in our debate. I am talking about the concept of ? being the best way for man to free himself of his base urges. This concept civilizes man better than any other it strengthens him more than any other and motives him to survive or die BETTER than any other. You have no proof that bacteria would have evolved into intelligence you also have no proof that that evolution of intelligence is the norm for life. perhaps life does not go past bacteria maybe that's the norm in the universe and humanity is even more special than i previously thought. Yes we have to create art it's another thing that makes us different from most animals.
Sorry, but my doctrine is not Jim Jones doctrine that man was an atheist and a communist he used religion to push people to atheism. Northern Europe is a dying society atheist always like to brag about northern Europe but the native people of that land are barely having babies and have to import masses of people from other nations to keep their economies running. Religion unites A people not all people just those who believe, when they come into contact with those who don't believe this often leads to bloodshed, this is not the religions fault it is usually the fault of the people who use the religion for political and monetary gains. There have been many Jim Jones in history which is the downside of all religion, theistic or not so you cannot blame the ? concept for starting war you can however attribute the strength of the people fighting back against their invaders to the ? concept.
I know exactly how brooklyn is because when i came from jamaica that's where i lived and the vast majority of drug dealers that i came across did not have to do that ? and they certainly did not have to do it for so long. The whole i gotta eat i am only selling this ? to survive is an excuse for doing what you know is wrong. FOOLS out there are not selling dime bags to pay rent or pay community college bills or buy food. those who really do sell to survive are in the extreme minority. I know of no church that supported drug dealings there might have been a crooked pastor here or there but the church supporting ? ?? which church was this. religion only comes into imerialism as an excuse not a cause, WHITES cared nothing about who the africans worshiped until TheY wanted to control us for money. African people being in the ghetto today has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with economics politics and bad side of capitalism.
If you mention the idea of ? as being the best way to present something, then i will question your belief in the existence of this ? or whether you are just making things up. Also, that's what the OP was about. Regardless of Jim Jones overall goal, the point is that he used religion to achieve them and as you admitted, so has others who actually were believers. The interpretation of religion can be twisted. Nothing else has to be expressed like us and probably can't because the conditions changed. Organisms still do well surviving without our mechanisms. There were others like us until they died off. You still offered no reason for us needing to create art other than saying we have to which isn't a reason. Interestingly, religions attempted to suppress art as idolatry worship and science as blasphemy.
Tribes formed for various reasons not having to do with Religion and cultures arose from those formations that aren't all attributed to religion. more than for religions affiliation. The need for cohesive structure led to rules and laws. As i said if you find structure in your religion, you can do what Jefferson did and omit the fantasy (even if you care not to talk about that). There are plenty of reasons for low birth other than the lack of religion. Still, how much a problem is it with the billions of people we have on this earth already? People are going to those lands willingly because of economic prosperity the same way they are coming to the States and even Jamaica. You even have Chinese people there. America is experiencing a decline in birth also. But religion didn't initiate the human birth process nor was it necessary to encourage it. Other animals don't require religion to procreate, but changing conditions affect them too.
I'm not going to chat about my upbringing and prove how bad Brooklyn was, the point was to illustrate that it started out as an economic need for survival and turned bad. It's not like Jamaica didn't have the same issues. I wasn't accusing the church of taking part (even though some did), i asked where were they to put an end to it since they are so good add guiding our societies. Also, many who claimed to be of Christ (not churches but people) committed these acts.
Who said the white man was concerned about their religion? They were concerned with conquering under the banner of their religion the same as others have done. I'm thinking the fact that war is coming to your front door would do a lot in uniting a people. Religion hasn't done much to stop mans urge to conquer but civil conversation has but it's interesting how it's mostly underlying religious wars going on now. It's still based on survival because people don't want other cultures moving in taking their jerbz. Religion is just a cool catch phrase to mask the base motivation of an earth based organism trying to survive with scarce resources and turbulent economy by conquering and taking advantage of others. It hasn't helped the problem, it's only aided in masking it. -
If you mention ? as being the best way to do anything (even if you are lying about it's existence to calm others), then i will question your belief in the existence of this ? . Regardless of Jim Jones overall goal, the point is that he used religion to achieve them and as you admitted, so has others who actually were believers. The interpretation of religion can be twisted. Nothing else has to be expressed like us and probably can't because the conditions changed. Organisms still do well surviving without our mechanisms. There were others like us until we killed them because of competition. You still offered no reason for us needing to create art other than for communication purposes and recreating fictional realities based on our brains perception.You can question my belief in the existence of ? but any answer i give you would be totally irrelevant, i could question your belief in evolution but it would be totally irrelevant. Both concepts exist there effects are all that matter. EVERY concept can be twisted the teachings of darwin became eugenics which lead to social darwinism which has created more suffering than religion has. But has given no benefit to daily human life. Organism don't do well surviving without our mechanisms because survival is not enough, bare survival without improvement is a dead end that will lead to extinction. There are creatures older or just as old as us they went through the same climate changes and forced adaption as we did it still was not enough. they are now at our mercy. Humans, unlike animals are consciously trying to improve ourselves not just survive.
Tribes formed for protection, family relations, and business needs (resources) more than for religions affiliation. The need for cohesive structure led to rules and laws. As i said if you find structure in your religion, you can do what Jefferson did and omit the fantasy (even if you care not to talk about that). There are plenty of reasons for low birth other than the lack of religion. One has to do with the focus on education before having babies, and not popping out 10 kids to work the land. Still, how much a problem is it with the billions of people we have on this earth already? People are going to those lands willingly because of economic prosperity the same way they are coming to the States and even Jamaica. You even have Chinese people there. America is experiencing a decline in birth also. But religion didn't initiate the human birth process nor was it necessary to encourage it. Other animals don't require religion to procreate, but changing conditions affect them too.Low birth rate is a huge problem for a native population, when you are importing large numbers of other people because sooner or later they are going to take control of your land and outbreed you. The real native people of america are an example of this, If northern europeans are not careful the same thing is going to happen to them. Jamaicans are under no threat of the chinese outbreeding them in Jamaica. Tribes formed for all those things but moved beyond simple social organization and religion arose. we don't require religion to procreate but religion spurs procreation and does encourage it.There are other reasons for low bith rate but lack of religion and the changing social values it created in northern europe is a reason the native people of those nations seem to be experiencing it. You cannot remove the unknowable from theist/non-theist religions, without it you have civil law and i have already told you why that is an inferior self motivating factor.
I'm not going to chat about my upbringing and prove how bad Brooklyn was, the point was to illustrate that it started out as an economic need for survival and turned bad. It's not like Jamaica didn't have the same issues. I wasn't accusing the church of taking part (even though some did), i asked where were they to put an end to it since they are so good add guiding our societies. Also, many who claimed to be of Christ (not churches but people) committed these acts.I don't believe it was started out of a need for survival. in jamaica's case it was a need for survival for most drug dealers in america drug dealing is nothing more than easy money.The church does not have law enforcement powers anymore but the concept of ? sure does seem to have reformatory powers.
Who said the white man was concerned about their religion? They were concerned with conquering under the banner of their religion the same as others have done. I'm thinking the fact that war is coming to your front door would do a lot in uniting a people. Religion hasn't done much to stop mans urge to conquer but civil conversation has but it's interesting how it's mostly underlying religious wars going on now. It's still based on survival because people don't want other cultures moving in taking their jerbz. Religion is just a cool catch phrase to mask the base motivation of an earth based organism trying to survive with scarce resources and turbulent economy by conquering and taking advantage of others. It hasn't helped the problem, it's only aided in masking it.
The native americans tried civil conversation with the us government how did that work out for them ? people tried talking to ? how did that work out ? The reality is man is warlike religious or not and our wars are not based on survival anymore they are based on greed,ego and fear. what's going on in syria does not have ? to do with resources, the Buddhist genocide of the muslims in burma has nothing to do with survival. if you took religion away these people would still be fighting. Have you flipped through the O.T ?IF anything it reveals human nature not mask
it. The hospital came out of religion the concept of a code of laws came out of religion studies have shown that religious people are happier than non-believers. Do bad things come out of religion/theism ? sure but the good outweighs the bad by far. -
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You can question my belief in the existence of ? but any answer i give you would be totally irrelevant, i could question your belief in evolution but it would be totally irrelevant. Both concepts exist there effects are all that matter. EVERY concept can be twisted the teachings of darwin became eugenics which lead to social darwinism which has created more suffering than religion has. But has given no benefit to daily human life. Organism don't do well surviving without our mechanisms because survival is not enough, bare survival without improvement is a dead end that will lead to extinction. There are creatures older or just as old as us they went through the same climate changes and forced adaption as we did it still was not enough. they are now at our mercy. Humans, unlike animals are consciously trying to improve ourselves not just survive.
Low birth rate is a huge problem for a native population, when you are importing large numbers of other people because sooner or later they are going to take control of your land and outbreed you. The real native people of america are an example of this, If northern europeans are not careful the same thing is going to happen to them. Jamaicans are under no threat of the chinese outbreeding them in Jamaica. Tribes formed for all those things but moved beyond simple social organization and religion arose. we don't require religion to procreate but religion spurs procreation and does encourage it.There are other reasons for low bith rate but lack of religion and the changing social values it created in northern europe is a reason the native people of those nations seem to be experiencing it. You cannot remove the unknowable from theist/non-theist religions, without it you have civil law and i have already told you why that is an inferior self motivating factor.
I don't believe it was started out of a need for survival. in jamaica's case it was a need for survival for most drug dealers in america drug dealing is nothing more than easy money.The church does not have law enforcement powers anymore but the concept of ? sure does seem to have reformatory powers.
The native americans tried civil conversation with the us government how did that work out for them ? people tried talking to ? how did that work out ? The reality is man is warlike religious or not and our wars are not based on survival anymore they are based on greed,ego and fear. what's going on in syria does not have ? to do with resources, the Buddhist genocide of the muslims in burma has nothing to do with survival. if you took religion away these people would still be fighting. Have you flipped through the O.T ?IF anything it reveals human nature not mask
it. The hospital came out of religion the concept of a code of laws came out of religion studies have shown that religious people are happier than non-believers. Do bad things come out of religion/theism ? sure but the good outweighs the bad by far.
Humans created the concept and there is no evidence for your ? and making claims of what your ? desires while saying this ? is unknown is contradictory. The evolutionary process doesn't claim that all reality begin with evolution. If anything can be twisted, they how can you makes claims of validity for your religious doctrine when it hasn't even attempted to prove anything? Eugenics was created by a people that made extra ordinary claims concerning survival of the fittest with little fact supporting those claims. The fittest doesn't have to mean the strongest, it just means the best adapted to a situation. We really don't have a number on the total deaths caused by religion throughout the history, so saying eugenics was far worse is very subjective. Modern Medicine is a result of evolutionary biology. Evolution isn't a concept, it's a description of a process. The theory doesn't assert anything as fact without proof and questions it's own evidence. Just because some idiots took a piece of the evidence and ran with it, doesn't make it invalid. Still there is evidence.
Religion isn't needed for human to be humans and do human things. It's just used as a flag to convince others to join your cause even if like Jim Jones, that isn't your real intent. Still it is dangerous because it confuses genuine intent with a layer of smooth talking rhetoric. This occurs in other facets of life, but that doesn't do much to support religious validity. The native people of North America died because of foreign disease and for the most part it wasn't intentional or to do with a lack of religion. It was a natural catastrophe or pandemic. It is religion that created tribal splits for the most part for instance, Sunnis vs Shiites with them all being Arab. Organisms survived just fine under their own mechanisms and evolutionary pressures didn't apply the same way for each organism with the same requirements.
What study are you referring to about non-believers vs believers? It sounds like a very slanted study and i imagine religions ostracizing non-believers would play a part. Still doesn't do much to support religion as a valid cause. I couldn't see how civil law is inferior when you just said church doesn't have law enforcement powers. Regardless of the initiation of war, civil conversation is still the end result if you plan to settle conflict unless you are talking total annihilation. Not talking post ww1 is what created the environment for ww2. ? used religious like rhetoric to convince others of a divine plan and Americans felt themselves better than Indians because they were considered godless savages. Still, the results are Indians getting money with Casinos and having their own land. Better results than African Americans got. My overall point is to not follow doctrines blindly and consider evidence but there always has to be moral considerations which still doesn't require religion. Still, if religion was so effective, we wouldn't be dealing with these very human conditions currently. If anything religion has rode those war into popularity.
Remember i said in the beginning when it came to dealing, people were broke in the 70's and 80's much more so than now. It was also a practice of tribal warfare. What it is now doesn't compare. I'm sure Jamaica could have done other things besides selling drugs and don't tell me people didn't get greedy there too.
