I finally got around to watch Transformers 1,2&3 And.....
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stupot0607
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...First of all they were awesome films, i really enjoyed them, being a transformers fan when i was a kid, and seeing the effects are just mindblowing....
BUT...
They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom ? by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...
Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....
Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.
Oh & the girls in the films! ? me..............
BUT...
They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom ? by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...
Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....
Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.
Oh & the girls in the films! ? me..............
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stupot0607 wrote: »...First of all they were awesome films, i really enjoyed them, being a transformers fan when i was a kid, and seeing the effects are just mindblowing....
BUT...
They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom ? by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...
Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....
Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.
Oh & the girls in the films! ? me..............
What's wrong with being a conspiracy nut? -
Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
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Never mind the fact that they're pieces of ? films with plot holes the size of the grand canyon
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Sam was a ?
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@t/s there is always a military/paramilitary presence in all superhero movies except for ghostrider or punisher.
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Young Gunner wrote: »Never mind the fact that they're pieces of ? films with plot holes the size of the grand canyon
in Part 3 Bumblebee shown taken prisoner, hands up in the air...... totally defeated
and then the very,very next scene he is shown fighting along side the other Autobots
WTF???
no battle scars, no explanation or nothing
I mean he was just THERE
superhero,action movie whatever
that ? was beyond incompetence on the editor and director part
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stupot0607 wrote: »...First of all they were awesome films, i really enjoyed them, being a transformers fan when i was a kid, and seeing the effects are just mindblowing....
BUT...
They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom ? by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...
Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....
Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.
Oh & the girls in the films! ? me..............
What's wrong with being a conspiracy nut?
Everything... -
I Was Too Disgusted WIth Them At First Glance To Find Deeper Meaning Or Subtle Messages
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Other than the action..? the transformers series. In the last movie ain't no way them ? could win. Not even with both sential prime and Megatron dead, they were simply too out numbered.
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Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens. -
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
big co-sign on this
saying it's "just a Transformers" movie is a sorry cop-out
and no excuse for ? editing,directing, and acting
these basic foundations of what makes a movie enjoyable
should not be half-assed because of the genre
unless it's straight up satirical exploitation on the level of "Grindhouse" and "Machete" -
The comics of both TF and Gi Joe were far from cheesy. My issue with the TF movies is that they tried too hard to be funny and it just came out corny. Ninja Turtles did a great job of blending humor with action in a none cheesy way.
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After watching all 3:
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lol @ threadstarter just now being shocked - SHOCKED! - by the presence of ignorance in the Transformers films. He realize the 2nd flick was the one w/ The Coonbots (iirc their names were Mudflap & Sleep-n-Eat) tap dancing and singing Dixie, right? imo Military Propaganda is kind of the least of yo worries when you got Autobots w/ gold teeth eating watermelon smfh.
LMAO @ kufi-wearing Poor Righteous Teacher cats that write articles about how Jay-Z is a black slave master, then pay money to support Transformers 2. I know you ? are out there.... -
BUMBLEBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "? Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.
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good movies.. one of the best trilogies ever. Mike Bay is replacing Shia with Mark Wahlberg in part 4 so expect some next level badassery with extra amounts of no ? given about the haters.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "? Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.
But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "? Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.
But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows.
It absolutely has to do with the source material. If you have a solid base on which to work, the scripts and direction basically are already in place. You just have to do some fine tuning for the change in media. If you're taking something from a weak base, then that puts more on the people behind the movie to create and opens the door to them ? it up. Now the terrible acting, you're right, has nothing to do with the source material.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "? Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.
But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows.
It absolutely has to do with the source material. If you have a solid base on which to work, the scripts and direction basically are already in place. You just have to do some fine tuning for the change in media. If you're taking something from a weak base, then that puts more on the people behind the movie to create and opens the door to them ? it up. Now the terrible acting, you're right, has nothing to do with the source material.
Absolutely...but nothing good or great ever comes from going the easy route. A good script would be hard to write...absolutely....so get it done, do the hard work. The thing is M.Bay took the easy route and put out some rushed ? because thats all he is capable of. -
I stopped watching after "Robot Heaven". I mean literally, I walked out the theater when I saw that nonsense...
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Megan fox is overrated
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Everything in Transformers was ? other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.
That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.
I dont buy this..
Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly ? ? since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy ? to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "? Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.
But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows.
It absolutely has to do with the source material. If you have a solid base on which to work, the scripts and direction basically are already in place. You just have to do some fine tuning for the change in media. If you're taking something from a weak base, then that puts more on the people behind the movie to create and opens the door to them ? it up. Now the terrible acting, you're right, has nothing to do with the source material.
Absolutely...but nothing good or great ever comes from going the easy route. A good script would be hard to write...absolutely....so get it done, do the hard work. The thing is M.Bay took the easy route and put out some rushed ? because thats all he is capable of.
Hey, I don't disagree with you. I'm just pointing out that there are stories that write themselves and that even bad directors can't mess up. GI Joe and Transformers just aren't examples of that. -
the way megatron was destroyed is woat
