Muhammad Ali 1964-1967 Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Times (Who can beat 64-67 Ali)
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All TimesBecause in Mike Tyson's prime he would not have lost to Ali.
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Timeswaterproof wrote: »There's 2 Boxer I felt that would give Ali Trouble and defeat Ali but one have a greater chance to defeat Ali.
IRON MIKE TYSON (from the Age 18-21)
Mike Tyson vs Trevor Berbick 1986-11-22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbwStryLMo
ANIMAL THUG one of the most dominating, furious, cat-like quick reflexes, student of the game, devasting puncher with his Speed, Power, Seek & Destroy Cutting the ring off, head movements and peak a boo style of bobbing and weaving BOXER the boxing world ever seen
because of those attributes that I listed would give 64-67 Ali problem in the ring, Iron Mike used to have fights won before he even threw a punch, he came to the ring with boxing shoes on with no sucks, wearing all black with a towel cut over him with no music, lol.......fighters lost already he had them beat when he got in the ring and he said that he knew it when he look in their eyes....
that ? wont work with Ali because Ali fought the very same person who Tyson said he was the next incarnate of Sonny Liston.......Ali would of pop ? at the touch gloves....
Tyson 18-21 got Ali on Power and Speed but 64-67 Ali but that's about it.......
ALI had the total package with the Chin 64-67 Ali faced the brute Patterson and Liston one of the most crushing power punchers in boxing history....and Ali chin was the factor and Stamina, endurance, speed, power, Psychology, and can take punishment....
Ali size would of gave IRON MIKE problems, Ali was tall 6'3 with that long ass reach with laser like pin point accuracy would take Tyson out of his game... And Tyson had short reach, going against Ali who always was on the move with that range and foot speed and dancing would of cause problems Mike will start to lose discipline and lung and swing then POP, POP, POP, POP, POP, POP, from Ali and Ali apply pressure also...
IF IRON MIKE DIDNT GET TO ALI IN THE FIRST 4 ROUNDS then it's a wrap, ALI will have his way and put a beating on the TYSON.... WHY??? BECAUSE TYSON HAVE LUNG PROBLEMS THERE WAS A REASON after 5 rounds HE HAVE A HARD TIME K.O. people, TYSON cam OUT AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT HE KEPT IT A SECRET......
ALI would of drag him in the waters and it's a wrap, plus TYSON have hard time against FIGHTERS that didn't fear him also ALI always find weakness in who he fighting and when he finds it, it's over he's going in.
Ali Length, Feet work, pin point accuracy in Jab, Quick Combo's would of been to much for Tyson but Tyson head movements, POWER, SPEED would of cause major problems for Ali, Again Tyson have 4 rounds to sleep Ali and Ali never been knocked out cold blooded because of that Chin.
MIKE TYSON IS GREAT and 18-21 PRIME TIME TYSON is my top 5 greatest Heavyweight of All times
anybody want to add on to this, give your thoughts.... THAT'S MY REASON WHY I THINK ALI 64-67 would of beat TYSON 86-89 -
i haven't watched enough ali material nor do i have watched enough fights of boxers like sugar ray robinson or archie moore to give an answer to this anyone could take seriously.
i also doubt most others in here did. -
1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All TimesAli's last fight before the exile against Zora folley was goat....I don't think he threw a punch the first round and folley couldn't hit him at all....his foot speed and ability to play the angles (when throwing punches) during that period makes him unbeatable during that period...plus the chip on his shoulder was an helluva intangible
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Timeswaterproof wrote: »
As I person who watches boxing, study the Sweet Science and study the great warriors of the past. I have to say I never seen a fighter in my life like Muhammad Ali when he was entering the sweet spot aka the Prime years 1964-1967.....
I think Muhammad Ali from 1964-1967 was the greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of all times and no other boxers could of beat Ali, from 1964-1967 Muhammad Ali was in a place where few have ever gone. Mentally, Physically, Spiritually Ali was in a zone reached a point in his life where those three aspects was as one. All the circumstance from 1964-1967 turned him into a Master of himself that's why he was to dominate and play with his opponents.
Mentally he was tough, strong, smart, student of the game, a master of the ring, deal with racism in America and In the sports of boxing, have faith in his self and skills, believed he was the greatest.
Spiritually he was at peace, found Islam the discipline in Islam made him stronger, the love of his race made him stronger, his faith in Allah and the NOI getting knowledge of self made him that much stronger.
Physically he was a freak of nature and trained like a mad man, trained hard, his training methods was torture and he pushed his body to limits.
From 1964-1967 the planets aligned from Muhammad Ali, his boxing skills never have been seen since. His laser sharp focus with pin point accuracy of his jab that is so fast that is still being studied and marveled today.... His vision to see your movement before you move and counter it before you let off, His Foot Skills, speed and dancing in the ring, combo's, his defense to much ? to talk about...
But I say there is 2 Boxers that I think that have a chance to beat 64-67 Ali and the other to give him a challenge, I will list them later...
Do you think 64-67 Muhammad Ali is the greatest boxer and what boxer you think would of defeat Muhammad Ali 1964-1967.
ONE OF THE GREASTEST DISPLAY OF BOXING IN 1967 Muhammad Ali vs Ernie Terrell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKAuef0DHE&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=HXxGRTQYbe0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=XgfjPdQ3ThU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZTGctYBVtc&NR=1&feature
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or3xsM2xQtw&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD3LULP36vc&NR=1&feature=endscreen
G.O.A.T.
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Timeswaterproof wrote: »There's 2 Boxer I felt that would give Ali Trouble and defeat Ali but one have a greater chance to defeat Ali.
IRON MIKE TYSON (from the Age 18-21)
Mike Tyson vs Trevor Berbick 1986-11-22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbwStryLMo
ANIMAL THUG one of the most dominating, furious, cat-like quick reflexes, student of the game, devasting puncher with his Speed, Power, Seek & Destroy Cutting the ring off, head movements and peak a boo style of bobbing and weaving BOXER the boxing world ever seen
because of those attributes that I listed would give 64-67 Ali problem in the ring, Iron Mike used to have fights won before he even threw a punch, he came to the ring with boxing shoes on with no sucks, wearing all black with a towel cut over him with no music, lol.......fighters lost already he had them beat when he got in the ring and he said that he knew it when he look in their eyes....
that ? wont work with Ali because Ali fought the very same person who Tyson said he was the next incarnate of Sonny Liston.......Ali would of pop ? at the touch gloves....
Tyson 18-21 got Ali on Power and Speed but 64-67 Ali but that's about it.......
ALI had the total package with the Chin 64-67 Ali faced the brute Patterson and Liston one of the most crushing power punchers in boxing history....and Ali chin was the factor and Stamina, endurance, speed, power, Psychology, and can take punishment....
Ali size would of gave IRON MIKE problems, Ali was tall 6'3 with that long ass reach with laser like pin point accuracy would take Tyson out of his game... And Tyson had short reach, going against Ali who always was on the move with that range and foot speed and dancing would of cause problems Mike will start to lose discipline and lung and swing then POP, POP, POP, POP, POP, POP, from Ali and Ali apply pressure also...
IF IRON MIKE DIDNT GET TO ALI IN THE FIRST 4 ROUNDS then it's a wrap, ALI will have his way and put a beating on the TYSON.... WHY??? BECAUSE TYSON HAVE LUNG PROBLEMS THERE WAS A REASON after 5 rounds HE HAVE A HARD TIME K.O. people, TYSON cam OUT AND LET IT BE KNOWN THAT HE KEPT IT A SECRET......
ALI would of drag him in the waters and it's a wrap, plus TYSON have hard time against FIGHTERS that didn't fear him also ALI always find weakness in who he fighting and when he finds it, it's over he's going in.
Ali Length, Feet work, pin point accuracy in Jab, Quick Combo's would of been to much for Tyson but Tyson head movements, POWER, SPEED would of cause major problems for Ali, Again Tyson have 4 rounds to sleep Ali and Ali never been knocked out cold blooded because of that Chin.
MIKE TYSON IS GREAT and 18-21 PRIME TIME TYSON is my top 5 greatest Heavyweight of All times
best post in this thread...
the ONLY. thing....and i mean ONLY. thing that might've kept this Tyson from beating ali was experience....
the saddest thing about mike's career is that we never got a chance to see mike fufill his potential...
mike at 21 was the most technically sound he was ever going to be..
once don king got all his original trainers ad camp outta his corner, his skill set diminished greatly... his ring presence suffered, and he ceased to be the fighter he was..... -
A Prime Lennox Lewis would be a great fight vs Ali also or Tyson even.
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KingGivBiz wrote: »A Prime Lennox Lewis would be a great fight vs Ali also or Tyson even.
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All TimesForeman >>>... there's a reason why Ali had to do that little rope a dope ? . He couldn't box with dude head up so he had to use a "strategy."
P.S. We all saw what happened to Frazier when he tried to box head up with Foreman. Dun got KO'd in the 2nd round LOL. -
NothingButTheTruth wrote: »Foreman >>>... there's a reason why Ali had to do that little rope a dope ? . He couldn't box with dude head up so he had to use a "strategy."
P.S. We all saw what happened to Frazier when he tried to box head up with Foreman. Dun got KO'd in the 2nd round LOL.
You are ? ? .. you fight to win son.. not fight on someone else terms..in the ring.
Lol @ boxhead up you gotta be ? kidding me
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Timesayo.. if you got someone willing to punch them selves out right in front of you.....
you know what you do??
let them punch themselves the ? out....
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All TimesWasn't there an article saying Tyson wanted no parts of Forman?
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NothingButTheTruth wrote: »Foreman >>>... there's a reason why Ali had to do that little rope a dope ? . He couldn't box with dude head up so he had to use a "strategy."
P.S. We all saw what happened to Frazier when he tried to box head up with Foreman. Dun got KO'd in the 2nd round LOL.
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Timesthe most frustrating argument in the ali/tyson debate is when you try to break down the importance of having the perfect corner for a fighter, and how much weight that corner holds.....
mike's corner up until he was 21 was the absolute best and the perfect corner for his entire career.....at 21.. could mike have beaten the GOAT ali???.....it's very debatable....
but the biggest what if in boxing is this....
what if mike's corner that started him in boxing had stayed with him throughout his career??
i don't think your casual fan grasps how much of an immediate difference you see in mikes entire ring demeanor once the corner was fired after the spinks fight.....he just wasn't the same fighter....
all he was after that fight was a brawler....the technician was gone, the fundamentals gone, the conditioning gone, the combos, gone, the speed diminishing, the power underutilized,...his patience, execution, discipline, all gone...everything that made mike..mike...left...
simply because he had a bunch of people around him who had no idea how to to train, nutture, prepaper im or harness and build off his natural talent.. not to mention his fragile mindset...
and don king basically gave him access to all his money whenever he wanted it....
you give any 21year old the keys to the world.. he gonna go ham....
had mike stayed with kevin rooney n them throughout his 20's......
the argument of tyson/ali woulda been completely different,.....
cuz i to this day honestly believe, a rooney trained tyson was the closet thing to an invincible warrior boxing has ever seen..
i just looked at this from his wiki, cuz i was looking for the year rooney left the camp and i saw this...Kevin Rooney was the trainer of world heavyweight champion Mike Tyson from the start of his professional career in 1985, up until Tyson's bout with Michael Spinks in 1988. During the period when Rooney was Tyson's trainer, Tyson had a record of 35 fights, 35 wins (31 wins by KO). Rooney was then fired at the urging of Don King, who had successfully urged Tyson to break all ties with the D'Amato stable. Tyson's mobility skills in the boxing ring noticeably declined after Rooney's firing and Tyson suffered his first loss in a professional fight just 18 months after Rooney's departure.
Rooney was the second closest trainer to young Mike Tyson, followed by Teddy Atlas, and is most familiar with ? D'Amato's famed "Peek-a-Boo" boxing style. Rooney has continued to train fighters, working most notably with Vinny Paz who after hooking up with Rooney, won the 154 pound title.
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1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All TimesNothingButTheTruth wrote: »Foreman >>>... there's a reason why Ali had to do that little rope a dope ? . He couldn't box with dude head up so he had to use a "strategy."
P.S. We all saw what happened to Frazier when he tried to box head up with Foreman. Dun got KO'd in the 2nd round LOL.
We talking bout Ali in his prime tho....the young Ali would make foreman look stoopid just on foot speed and accuracy......that ? would be a repeat of the first Liston fight -
1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Timesthere's a special place in hell for don king...
right next to bob arum....
them ? the devil..
only reason king wanted mike away from the d'amato camp was to have more 24/7 access to him....
they kept mike in check, and on an allowance, curfew, low tolerance for fuckery..all that...
they kept the beast at bay, and allowed him to be the best fighter he could possibly be..
king, said ? that, and let him self destruct, just to make him more of a celebrity.. -
Ali already beat Tyson when Tyson was named George Forman.
Ali already took Tyson's best punch Tyson's name was Joe Frazier, and got right back up.
Seriously though, Its hard to compare fighters from different generations, Too many factors such as training, nutrition, money (motivation) and distractions etc. to really get an accurate feel of who was the GOAT. Ali is my personal favorite but I can't honestly say that he would of beat Jack Johnson (in Johnson's era) or vice versa. -
1964-1967 Muhammad Ali is not the Greatest Boxer and Heavyweight of All Times
Foreman was no where as near as fast as Tyson.O.G.VETERAN wrote: »Ali already beat Tyson when Tyson was named George Forman.
Ali already took Tyson's best punch Tyson's name was Joe Frazier, and got right back up.
Seriously though, Its hard to compare fighters from different generations, Too many factors such as training, nutrition, money (motivation) and distractions etc. to really get an accurate feel of who was the GOAT. Ali is my personal favorite but I can't honestly say that he would of beat Jack Johnson (in Johnson's era) or vice versa.
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That title will always belong to Sugar Ray.
124 consecutive wins before his 1st loss and wins over multiple champions from 135 to 160. Also, has just as many wins over HOF'ers as Ali.
Ali: "I am the greatest Heavyweight of all times. Sugar Ray was the greatest Boxer of all times!" -
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Foreman was no where as near as fast as Tyson.O.G.VETERAN wrote: »Ali already beat Tyson when Tyson was named George Forman.
Ali already took Tyson's best punch Tyson's name was Joe Frazier, and got right back up.
Seriously though, Its hard to compare fighters from different generations, Too many factors such as training, nutrition, money (motivation) and distractions etc. to really get an accurate feel of who was the GOAT. Ali is my personal favorite but I can't honestly say that he would of beat Jack Johnson (in Johnson's era) or vice versa.
True. But Ali was nowhere in his prime and he took Foreman's blows and even got in his head a bit. I think prime Ali's defensive skills could of dealt with Tyson's speed and power. Ali's jab would of kept Tyson honest. IMO. -
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Younger cats dont realize how fast Ali was. He beat cats while throwing only head shots. I cant recall ever seeing him throw a body punch. Ever. Ali is the GOAT personified.
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