Assault weapons ban now highly unlikely: Senate Democrats won’t even include it in their bill
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Assault weapons ban now highly unlikely: Senate Democrats won’t even include it in their bill
...even though they call for a renewed AWB in their national platform.
that said, i cannot take much enjoyment from this since some of us are likely to get ? on a state level.
Assault weapons ban now highly unlikely: Senate Democrats won’t even include it in their bill
the funny thing is, when this was going better for them, the Democrats made a big thing of the triad of assault weapon ban/magazine capacity restrictions/universal background checks, but now that things look worse, they're all about claiming what they always wanted was just the last one.An assault weapons ban won’t be in the gun-control legislation that Democrats bring to the Senate floor next month, a decision that means the ban’s chances of survival now are all but hopeless.
The ban is the most controversial firearms restriction that President Barack Obama and other Democrats have pressed for since an assault-type weapon was used in the December massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. Rejection by Congress would be a major victory for the National Rifle Association and its supporters and a setback for Obama and the provision’s sponsor, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein.
In a tactical decision, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., concluded that including the prohibition in the gun bill would jeopardize the chances for passage of any firearms legislation at all, taking away votes that would be needed to overcome Republican attempts to block the Senate from even taking up the issue.
“I very much regret it,” Feinstein said Tuesday of the choice that Reid told her he had made. “I tried my best. But my best, I guess, wasn’t good enough.”
Feinstein’s proposal to prohibit military-style weapons will still get a vote as an amendment to the gun legislation that Democrats debate. But she is all but certain to need 60 votes from the 100-member Senate to prevail, and she faces solid Republican opposition as well as likely defections from some Democrats.
Reid told reporters that “using the most optimistic numbers,” there were less than 40 votes for Feinstein’s ban. That is far less than the 60 votes needed to move contested legislation in the chamber, which has 53 Democrats plus two independents who usually back them.
“I’m not going to try to put something on the floor that won’t succeed. I want something that will succeed. I think the worst of all worlds would be to bring something to the floor and it dies there,” Reid said.
Because of the opposition the ban has prompted, its exclusion from the initial package the Senate considers had been expected as a way for Democrats to amass the strongest possible vote for the overall legislation. Having a separate vote on assault weapons might free moderate Democratic senators facing re-election in Republican-leaning states next year to vote against the assault weapons measure, but then support the remaining overall package of gun curbs.
...even though they call for a renewed AWB in their national platform.
that said, i cannot take much enjoyment from this since some of us are likely to get ? on a state level.
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These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
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These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH -
blakfyahking wrote: »These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH
I agree with most of what you said............
However......
Legislation favoring gun restrictions is not looking to an outside group for help...........
Theoretically, American people have local, state and national representatives.........
Seeking change through your legislators is not seeking help from outsiders........
Although it might seem that way..............
Most African Americans (the ones that shoot people) don't get guns from gun stores.........
These weapons are placed strategically in "minority" neighborhoods in order to continue violence..........
(Similar to Iran-Contra)
And yes......
Just legislation will reduce gun violence.............
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we need to ban all guns and make ninja swords mandatory for all 20 year olds n up
...bring back the art. -
with america producing arms like them ? is going out of style, a "ban" of any kind would be asinine
them ? will always hit the streets...they are already there. are we really gonna trust that these gun manufacturers all around the countries arent gonna have guns walking out? really?.......i mean REALLY? ? THAT
and anyone looking to the government & america's citizens to favor gun banning to help black people are out of touch w/ reality & need to get their heads out there ? . The ? image of black men is one of the cornerstones of what sells guns out here & the whole pro gun rights rhetoric period. Help aint coming from no where else and the sooner we realize that, the better -
blakfyahking wrote: »These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH
I agree with most of what you said............
However......
Legislation favoring gun restrictions is not looking to an outside group for help...........
Theoretically, American people have local, state and national representatives.........
Seeking change through your legislators is not seeking help from outsiders........
Although it might seem that way..............
Most African Americans (the ones that shoot people) don't get guns from gun stores.........
These weapons are placed strategically in "minority" neighborhoods in order to continue violence..........
(Similar to Iran-Contra)
And yes......
Just legislation will reduce gun violence.............
you are correct @ the bolded/underlined...........but just going to your legislator isn't really enough without also considering that other legislators representing other groups have to vote in favor of these bills too
legislators representing those other constituents who don't give a damn about what's happening in the black community are the same ones that black folks hope will all of a sudden be sympathetic to the black experience
that is a weak solution to depend on, cause we see how it's worked so far
and @ the bolded............how do you not see the gap in your logic?
if most guns that ? people don't come from gun stores or places that perform background checks
what is passing a law that criminalizes responsible owners really going to do but make us all even more vulnerable?
it makes no sense to be in another thread talking about police brutality
but then in another thread we are advocating taking away legal firearms to make us even more reliant on the same govt systems that already don't protect us
Chicago is a perfect example of gun control legislation at work..........yet rational folks can never explain how that situation is really benefiting the black community
would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
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blakfyahking wrote: »would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
There's nothing wrong with "stop-and-frisk," per se, however, there's something very wrong when "stop-and-frisk," is used as a means to meet quotas as measurement of police officers production. As far as Chicago goes, those ? out there are out of control and short of black people collectively having a paradigm shift as far as the way they conduct and live their lives coupled with what they'll tolerate are the only things that will change the situation. Extreme times calls for extreme measures and extreme ? is going on in the Chi.
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lol even with the bill passing.. people will still get guns. and the assault rifles that are sold to the public only let out 3 rounds each shot or something like that. ain't really a gun pro. but Chicago has the toughest gun laws... and look what that did to us...
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blakfyahking wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH
I agree with most of what you said............
However......
Legislation favoring gun restrictions is not looking to an outside group for help...........
Theoretically, American people have local, state and national representatives.........
Seeking change through your legislators is not seeking help from outsiders........
Although it might seem that way..............
Most African Americans (the ones that shoot people) don't get guns from gun stores.........
These weapons are placed strategically in "minority" neighborhoods in order to continue violence..........
(Similar to Iran-Contra)
And yes......
Just legislation will reduce gun violence.............
you are correct @ the bolded/underlined...........but just going to your legislator isn't really enough without also considering that other legislators representing other groups have to vote in favor of these bills too
legislators representing those other constituents who don't give a damn about what's happening in the black community are the same ones that black folks hope will all of a sudden be sympathetic to the black experience
that is a weak solution to depend on, cause we see how it's worked so far
and @ the bolded............how do you not see the gap in your logic?
if most guns that ? people don't come from gun stores or places that perform background checks
what is passing a law that criminalizes responsible owners really going to do but make us all even more vulnerable?
it makes no sense to be in another thread talking about police brutality
but then in another thread we are advocating taking away legal firearms to make us even more reliant on the same govt systems that already don't protect us
Chicago is a perfect example of gun control legislation at work..........yet rational folks can never explain how that situation is really benefiting the black community
would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
Nah brother........
I am not on it like that..........
I am a gun owner and don't want my rights interfered on either.....
Legislation that I support goes beyond background checks and targets manufacturing and distribution........
Also the control of guns confiscated by law enforcement agencies......
Remember "Fast & Furious".......
They have been doing that ? in our hoods for decades............
You right about facing the opposition of big money lobbyists and such......
However......
As you stated earlier....... "we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions"......
When this happens our legislators have to pay more attention........
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meanwhile......
Politicians in Washington are pushing to curb violent video games after a Daily News report revealed Newtown killer Adam Lanza’s ? for slaughter jumped from his TV screen to real life.
A day after columnist Mike Lupica broke the story on the violent video game obsession that apparently prompted Lanza to try to “score” a high body count in the Connecticut shooting rampage, politicians were moving to stop the madness.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/crackdown-urged-violent-games-lanza-report-article-1.1292402#ixzz2OB24HU00 -
mostly i enjoy police officers declaring how they've reduced crime heavily while simultaneously declaring we need to ban guns because they face an explosive of violenceThese ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America...
the ACTUAL legislation that will address this? END THE ? DRUG WAR
"assault rifles" sold to the public are strictly semi-automatic. no select-fire optionsMikeydaGawd wrote: »and the assault rifles that are sold to the public only let out 3 rounds each shot or something like that.
i mean, we can go down the rabbit hole here and discuss the specifics of the way select-fire firearms are regulated in the US if people REALLY want to, but the preceding statement covers it
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Maximus Rex wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
There's nothing wrong with "stop-and-frisk," per se, however, there's something very wrong when "stop-and-frisk," is used as a means to meet quotas as measurement of police officers production. As far as Chicago goes, those ? out there are out of control and short of black people collectively having a paradigm shift as far as the way they conduct and live their lives coupled with what they'll tolerate are the only things that will change the situation. Extreme times calls for extreme measures and extreme ? is going on in the Chi.
bruh are you serious?
you don't see nothing wrong with police having the right to just stop you and search/question you without a legitimate reason to believe you might have participated in/committed a crime?
so you cool with walking out with your fam and just having cops walk up on you expecting you to explain yourself for no reason?
I agree that there needs to be a collective mindset of change in the black community............but I'm not willing to cosign stop and frisk as a policy just because I live as a law abiding citizen
cause where do we draw the line to where cops have to remember that they work for the citizens and not the other way around? -
blakfyahking wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH
I agree with most of what you said............
However......
Legislation favoring gun restrictions is not looking to an outside group for help...........
Theoretically, American people have local, state and national representatives.........
Seeking change through your legislators is not seeking help from outsiders........
Although it might seem that way..............
Most African Americans (the ones that shoot people) don't get guns from gun stores.........
These weapons are placed strategically in "minority" neighborhoods in order to continue violence..........
(Similar to Iran-Contra)
And yes......
Just legislation will reduce gun violence.............
you are correct @ the bolded/underlined...........but just going to your legislator isn't really enough without also considering that other legislators representing other groups have to vote in favor of these bills too
legislators representing those other constituents who don't give a damn about what's happening in the black community are the same ones that black folks hope will all of a sudden be sympathetic to the black experience
that is a weak solution to depend on, cause we see how it's worked so far
and @ the bolded............how do you not see the gap in your logic?
if most guns that ? people don't come from gun stores or places that perform background checks
what is passing a law that criminalizes responsible owners really going to do but make us all even more vulnerable?
it makes no sense to be in another thread talking about police brutality
but then in another thread we are advocating taking away legal firearms to make us even more reliant on the same govt systems that already don't protect us
Chicago is a perfect example of gun control legislation at work..........yet rational folks can never explain how that situation is really benefiting the black community
would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
Nah brother........
I am not on it like that..........
I am a gun owner and don't want my rights interfered on either.....
Legislation that I support goes beyond background checks and targets manufacturing and distribution........
Also the control of guns confiscated by law enforcement agencies......
Remember "Fast & Furious".......
They have been doing that ? in our hoods for decades............
You right about facing the opposition of big money lobbyists and such......
However......
As you stated earlier....... "we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions"......
When this happens our legislators have to pay more attention........
I agree that the bolded has made a negative impact in our community
but legislation still isn't going to stop that
the problem isn't the supply of guns
the problem is that we turn and use them on each other...........cause the minute we start using them ? to protect ourselves from outsiders, then it will be a real problem haha -
i THINK --and Maximus Rex can correct me-- that what he's trying to say is that if it's done properly by someone without ill intentions, it would be fine, so presumably cases where you do have a legitimate reason to stop someone?blakfyahking wrote: »you don't see nothing wrong with police having the right to just stop you and search/question you without a legitimate reason to believe you might have participated in/committed a crime?
...but then even communism works in theory
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blakfyahking wrote: »Maximus Rex wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
There's nothing wrong with "stop-and-frisk," per se, however, there's something very wrong when "stop-and-frisk," is used as a means to meet quotas as measurement of police officers production. As far as Chicago goes, those ? out there are out of control and short of black people collectively having a paradigm shift as far as the way they conduct and live their lives coupled with what they'll tolerate are the only things that will change the situation. Extreme times calls for extreme measures and extreme ? is going on in the Chi.
bruh are you serious?
you don't see nothing wrong with police having the right to just stop you and search/question you without a legitimate reason to believe you might have participated in/committed a crime?
so you cool with walking out with your fam and just having cops walk up on you expecting you to explain yourself for no reason?
I agree that there needs to be a collective mindset of change in the black community............but I'm willing to cosign stop and frisk as a policy just because I live as a law abiding citizen
cause where do we draw the line to where cops have to remember that work for the citizens and not the other way around?
i THINK --and Maximus Rex can correct me-- that what he's trying to say is that if it's done properly by someone without ill intentions, it would be fine, so presumably cases where you do have a legitimate reason to stop someone?blakfyahking wrote: »you don't see nothing wrong with police having the right to just stop you and search/question you without a legitimate reason to believe you might have participated in/committed a crime?
...but then even communism works in theory
^^^^ What dude said. Knowing how y'all ? don't like to read, I'll try and be as brief as possible. Contrary to popular belief, it's unconstitutional for the police to stop and you. They have to have "reasonable suspicion." This precedent was established under Terry v Ohio. Where NYPD got into trouble is that they have "production numbers," i.e. quotas. they have to produce every month to show that they're doing something when they're out on patrol. This causes a problem for us, because it's in our communities where the crime is taking place and it goes back to my original argument, if crime is greatly reduced in our neighborhoods, then we can ask, why are the police there if the crime rate is low?
When profiling is used in conjunction with other crime fighting techniques, it can be quite effective, the FBI does it
all the time, but when profiling and stop-and-frisk is used solely as a means to prove that you're being productive on the street, that's when the problems incur.
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both sides of this debate are ? up. The liberal legislators who wanna cover their ass by passing some bill as a result of some tragedy to make it seem like it will do ? is wrong. The gun ? NRA is wrong cause they do whatever it takes to spread fear into gunaholics like the government is going to take away their guns in the middle of the night.
All i know is ain't no bushmasters killing ? in chiraq so banning assault weapons wont do ? . I know ? who are from newtown and my church held a funeral for Ana Marquez-Greene who died ? was terrible. But as a country we need to think of real solutions that aren't words in a law book but actions that will change things. Im not entirely sure what those actions are but we need to continue to look deeper from all sides. -
Monizzle14 wrote: »The gun ? NRA is wrong cause they do whatever it takes to spread fear into gunaholics like the government is going to take away their guns in the middle of the night.
The government will take your guns, that's why I'm so proud of those NRA ? . Instead of ? ' out they dug in their heels, stood firm, and killed this ? . I always used the analogy of smoking in public places. At first smoking bans started off as "common sense," legislation, now you have a situation (e.g. New York City,) where a ? can't smoke in the park or on the beach. Some places like Oakland are really doing the fool, you can't smoke at ANYWHERE in public. The NRA knows this, they know if they give one issue, (no matter how sensible it may be,) it will only encourage the opposition to press forward on other gun control measures which will eventually lead to the Second Amendment being overturned. -
blakfyahking wrote: »These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH
BAM!!!! Black people have to stop whining and crying about outside groups who don't care what happens in the Black community. When we learn to take responsibility for our own communities, outside people will take us more seriously. Banning assault weapons will only make it easier for outside groups that hate Black people to harm us. -
Maximus Rex wrote: »Monizzle14 wrote: »The gun ? NRA is wrong cause they do whatever it takes to spread fear into gunaholics like the government is going to take away their guns in the middle of the night.
The government will take your guns, that's why I'm so proud of those NRA ? . Instead of ? ' out they dug in their heels, stood firm, and killed this ? . I always used the analogy of smoking in public places. At first smoking bans started off as "common sense," legislation, now you have a situation (e.g. New York City,) where a ? can't smoke in the park or on the beach. Some places like Oakland are really doing the fool, you can't smoke at ANYWHERE in public. The NRA knows this, they know if they give one issue, (no matter how sensible it may be,) it will only encourage the opposition to press forward on other gun control measures which will eventually lead to the Second Amendment being overturned.
Amen brotha.....I gained a lot of respect for the NRA this month -
I was trying to get rid of some old TVs and some other ? I didn't need so I figured I'd try to ? it b4 I threw it away.
I go in this ? shop that looked like where Marsellus Washington got ?
they told me the didn't need my ? .They all strapped w/ guns on the waist ban like cowboys.Straight rednecks w/ a ? shop in the hood.
They got this 40 that looks like a chopper.I was asking what it was and he said it was a 40 and said "but there about to go up in price because of ? Obama and them"
they were salty and ready to shoot me and any ? -
and in the end, whatever anyone thinks of stop-and-frisk or other specific police shenanigans, we should all know that quotas and playing these numbers games ALWAYS results in some ? by the police.Maximus Rex wrote: »Where NYPD got into trouble is that they have "production numbers," i.e. quotas.
...cut to members of the government, both on state and local levels, attempting to ban guns. Obama did a hell of a job undermining every moderate gun owner i know who spent time telling people to calm down because he didn't want to take your guns away.Monizzle14 wrote: »The gun ? NRA is wrong cause they do whatever it takes to spread fear into gunaholics like the government is going to take away their guns in the middle of the night.
sounds like trouble for anyone, reallyI go in this ? shop that looked like where Marsellus Washington got ? -
? (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on ? , and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. ? is straight poison.
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DarkRaiden wrote: »? (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on ? , and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. ? is straight poison.
That's not true. There are many cases of home invasion robberies ending up with the robbers getting shot dead and the home owner being safe and secure. If the cops can't protect a murder victim, why should people not have a gun to protect themselves. You know what every murder victim has in common? The cops came by after the victim was murdered. -
I was trying to get rid of some old TVs and some other ? I didn't need so I figured I'd try to ? it b4 I threw it away.
I go in this ? shop that looked like where Marsellus Washington got ?
they told me the didn't need my ? .They all strapped w/ guns on the waist ban like cowboys.Straight rednecks w/ a ? shop in the hood.
They got this 40 that looks like a chopper.I was asking what it was and he said it was a 40 and said "but there about to go up in price because of ? Obama and them"
they were salty and ready to shoot me and any ?
Well say what you wana say about them, but I bet any ? thinking of robbing somebody will avoid that store. They will probably choose to rob someone they think is unarmed, just like most robbers out there. -
blakfyahking wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »These ? have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................
Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............
"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."
so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?
our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture
vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens
those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered
we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions
instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH
I agree with most of what you said............
However......
Legislation favoring gun restrictions is not looking to an outside group for help...........
Theoretically, American people have local, state and national representatives.........
Seeking change through your legislators is not seeking help from outsiders........
Although it might seem that way..............
Most African Americans (the ones that shoot people) don't get guns from gun stores.........
These weapons are placed strategically in "minority" neighborhoods in order to continue violence..........
(Similar to Iran-Contra)
And yes......
Just legislation will reduce gun violence.............
you are correct @ the bolded/underlined...........but just going to your legislator isn't really enough without also considering that other legislators representing other groups have to vote in favor of these bills too
legislators representing those other constituents who don't give a damn about what's happening in the black community are the same ones that black folks hope will all of a sudden be sympathetic to the black experience
that is a weak solution to depend on, cause we see how it's worked so far
and @ the bolded............how do you not see the gap in your logic?
if most guns that ? people don't come from gun stores or places that perform background checks
what is passing a law that criminalizes responsible owners really going to do but make us all even more vulnerable?
it makes no sense to be in another thread talking about police brutality
but then in another thread we are advocating taking away legal firearms to make us even more reliant on the same govt systems that already don't protect us
Chicago is a perfect example of gun control legislation at work..........yet rational folks can never explain how that situation is really benefiting the black community
would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?
Nah brother........
I am not on it like that..........
I am a gun owner and don't want my rights interfered on either.....
Legislation that I support goes beyond background checks and targets manufacturing and distribution........
Also the control of guns confiscated by law enforcement agencies......
Remember "Fast & Furious".......
They have been doing that ? in our hoods for decades............
You right about facing the opposition of big money lobbyists and such......
However......
As you stated earlier....... "we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions"......
When this happens our legislators have to pay more attention........
I agree that the bolded has made a negative impact in our community
but legislation still isn't going to stop that
the problem isn't the supply of guns
the problem is that we turn and use them on each other...........cause the minute we start using them ? to protect ourselves from outsiders, then it will be a real problem haha
Like janklow stated earlier........
Ending the drug war & other legislation will reduce gun violence................
The hood is ? up, b.........
But eliminating poverty will also go a long way towards ending "inner-city gun violence".............
