Why Do ? Constantly Take "L's" Educationally?

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  • Drew_Ali
    Drew_Ali Members Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would not say lazy.......

    Most kids realize that they do not have opportunities, so they end up not even trying........

    IMO
  • Maximus Rex
    Maximus Rex Members Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Drew_Ali wrote: »
    I would not say lazy.......

    Most kids realize that they do not have opportunities, so they end up not even trying........

    IMO

    Here let me fix that:

    Most kids realize THINK OR NOT AWARE that they do not have opportunities, so they end up not even trying........
  • Ajackson17
    Ajackson17 Members Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Drew_Ali wrote: »
    I would not say lazy.......

    Most kids realize that they do not have opportunities, so they end up not even trying........

    IMO

    I can agree with this.
  • Say What
    Say What Members Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭
    Kids see they parents surviving with everything they know they can have without college. It is possible but it is harder out there then. People decide to take this harder life and blame the whiteman. I think the problem is role models. If the people you look up to don't have it and you are happy where you are why would you push harder?
  • desertrain10
    desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2013
    According to the National Center for Education Statistics, 43% of black fourth-graders do one hour or more of homework per night, as do 45% of whites and 47% of Hispanics. Although Asian fourth-graders are more likely than any other group to study one or more hours per night (56% do so), the differences between whites, blacks and Hispanics are too small to explain performance differences, and certainly contradict the notion that blacks or Latinos devalue education relative to whites.

    In fact, black and Hispanic fourth-graders are both more likely than whites that age to do more than one hour of homework, with 18% of Hispanics, 17% of blacks, but only 15% of whites putting in this amount of study time daily.

    Also Black students are twice as likely as white students to get help from their parents on homework every day of the school week (twenty percent compared to ten percent), and while roughly half of black students get help from parents on homework at least three times each week, approximately two-thirds of whites get such help two times or less, with whites a third more likely than blacks to work with parents rarely if ever on their homework.

    Likewise, and countering commonly held class biases, the poorest students (those from families with less than $5,000 in annual income) are actually the most likely to get substantial homework help from their parents, while those from families with incomes of $75,000 or more annually are the least likely to do so. Half of the poorest students work with their parents on lessons three or more times weekly, while only a third of the wealthiest students do.

    Likewise, evidence indicates there is no substantial difference between white and black students in terms of whether their parents attend parent-teacher conferences or school meetings. Black parents and their children are also equally likely as their white counterparts to visit a library, art gallery, zoo, aquarium, museum or historic site, as well as a community or religious event—further countering the notion that black parents take less interest in providing educational opportunities for their kids.

    Furthermore, and contrary to popular belief, three of four black children are read to by their parents when they are young, and black youth are equally or more likely than whites to be taught letters, numbers and words by their parents between the ages of three and five.

    Of all the evidence rebutting the notion that blacks place less value on education than whites, nothing makes the point more clearly than attendance information. Black twelfth graders are more than twice as likely as whites to have perfect attendance (16% versus 7.4%), and are even more likely than Asians to have perfect attendance.

    Whites are more likely than blacks to have missed seven or more days during the last semester, while blacks are less likely than members of any racial group to have missed that many days of school. There is also no significant difference between whites, Asians and blacks in terms of their likelihood to skip classes.
    Black students are only half as likely as whites to be placed in high-tracked English or math classes, and 2.4 times more likely than whites to be placed in remedial classes. Even when blacks demonstrate equal ability with their white counterparts, they are less likely to be placed in accelerated classes.

    When kids from lower-income families—who are disproportionately of color—correctly answer all math questions on a standardized test, they are no more likely to be placed in advanced or college tracks than children from upper-income families who missed a fourth of the questions, and they are 26% less likely to be placed in advanced tracks than upper-income persons with comparably perfect scores. Even the President of the College Board has acknowledged that black 8th graders with test scores comparable to whites are disproportionately placed in remedial high school classes.

    The impact of being tracked low in school has been shown to be profound. One of the nation’s leading experts on tracking, Jeannie Oakes, reports that according to her own studies and those of others, being tracked low fosters reductions in student feelings of their own abilities and helps depress aspirations for the future among low-tracked students.


    references: http://academic.udayton.edu/race/04needs/educate01.htm

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    Its long read but its very informative...kinda of debunks the notion that african americans place less value on education than the rest of the population

    *shrugs*
  • desertrain10
    desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    another academic limitation that african american youths have to contend with is the high number of white teachers. according to data from the National Center for Education Statistics, 85% of secondary level teachers are white. at the post-secondary level, it is 75% of the teaching staff which is comprised of whites.

    why is this a problem? well it is not possible these teachers struggle with their own prejudices against blacks can consciously and inadvertently pass on these prejudices to students in the classroom

    maybe this is why black students are only half as likely as whites to be placed in honors or ap classes, and twice as likely than whites to be placed in remedial classes



  • Say What
    Say What Members Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭
    another academic limitation that african american youths have to contend with is the high number of white teachers. according to data from the National Center for Education Statistics, 85% of secondary level teachers are white. at the post-secondary level, it is 75% of the teaching staff which is comprised of whites.

    why is this a problem? well it is not possible these teachers struggle with their own prejudices against blacks can consciously and inadvertently pass on these prejudices to students in the classroom

    maybe this is why black students are only half as likely as whites to be placed in honors or ap classes, and twice as likely than whites to be placed in remedial classes


    I don't think America is that racist & I'm from the south. I knew lots of minorities in honors and I thinks its goals and work ethics. Most settle for ok and good enough instead of attempting to be better.
  • desertrain10
    desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Say What wrote: »
    another academic limitation that african american youths have to contend with is the high number of white teachers. according to data from the National Center for Education Statistics, 85% of secondary level teachers are white. at the post-secondary level, it is 75% of the teaching staff which is comprised of whites.

    why is this a problem? well it is not possible these teachers struggle with their own prejudices against blacks can consciously and inadvertently pass on these prejudices to students in the classroom

    maybe this is why black students are only half as likely as whites to be placed in honors or ap classes, and twice as likely than whites to be placed in remedial classes


    I don't think America is that racist

    If only this were true /:
  • Maximus Rex
    Maximus Rex Members Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @ desertrain10 so what's happening between 4th and 12 grades and how do you explain this:
    knights wrote: »
    Now apply that to my people.

    K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.

    6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.

    9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.

  • Melanin_Enriched
    Melanin_Enriched Members Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol @ there being no opportunities when universities are admitting black students with 2.5 gpa just for being black to fulfill their quota.
  • desertrain10
    desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2013
    @ desertrain10 so what's happening between 4th and 12 grades and how do you explain this:
    knights wrote: »
    Now apply that to my people.

    K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.

    6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.

    9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.

    Read the article ....and theres plentity of similar studies you could find via google that can answer all ur questions and more

    And what knight posted is what he experienced growing up based on an article he read...... what more is there to explain? Lol.... and his post does nothing to substancially validate ur claim that blks devalue education any more the rest of the population


  • Say What
    Say What Members Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭
    Say What wrote: »
    another academic limitation that african american youths have to contend with is the high number of white teachers. according to data from the National Center for Education Statistics, 85% of secondary level teachers are white. at the post-secondary level, it is 75% of the teaching staff which is comprised of whites.

    why is this a problem? well it is not possible these teachers struggle with their own prejudices against blacks can consciously and inadvertently pass on these prejudices to students in the classroom

    maybe this is why black students are only half as likely as whites to be placed in honors or ap classes, and twice as likely than whites to be placed in remedial classes


    I don't think America is that racist

    If only this were true /:

    If only people tried instead of focusing on what they couldn't do. Prison of the mind
  • Maximus Rex
    Maximus Rex Members Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @ desertrain10 so what's happening between 4th and 12 grades and how do you explain this:
    knights wrote: »
    Now apply that to my people.

    K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.

    6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.

    9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.

    Read the article ....and theres plentity of similar studies you could find via google that can answer all ur questions and more

    And what knight posted is what he experienced growing up based on an article he read...... what more is there to explain? Lol.... and his post does nothing to substancially validate ur claim that blks devalue education any more the rest of the population

    So how do you explain that I and bunch of other ? around America experienced the same thing? Why do have such low graduation rates? Why our our SAT scores so low? Why is the minimum GPA to get into HBCU like around a 2.5? How come ? aren't getting Nobel prizes in something other than peace and literature? Why do schools in our neighborhoods tend to be the WOAT? Why are kids that show promise and are academically inclined treated as social pariahs? Something happens between elementary and high school were too many black kids just stop giving ? and that study doesn't address that, hell it's only talking about kids in elementary school, not junior high or high school.
  • desertrain10
    desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @ desertrain10 so what's sharpening between 4th and 12 grades and how do you explain this:
    knights wrote: »
    Now apply that to my people.

    K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.

    6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.

    9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.

    Read the article ....and theres plentity of similar studies you could find via google that can answer all ur questions and more

    And what knight posted is what he experienced growing up based on an article he read...... what more is there to explain? Lol.... and his post does nothing to substancially validate ur claim that blks devalue education any more the rest of the population

    So how do you explain that I and bunch of other ? around America experienced the same thing? Why do have such low graduation rates? Why our our SAT scores so low? Why is the minimum GPA to get into HBCU like around a 2.5? How come ? aren't getting Nobel prizes in something other than peace and literature? Why do schools in our neighborhoods tend to be the WOAT? Why are kids that show promise and are academically inclined treated as social pariahs? Something happens between elementary and high school were too many black kids just stop giving ? and that study doesn't address that, hell it's only talking about kids in elementary school, not junior high or high school.

    Article does touch on high schoolers ....click the link

    And as I said before there have been multiple studies that debunk what u have been saying that uncover the obstacles that are in place that discourage children of color from suceeding, that touch on the cultural/racial bias that exist within SAT scores, etc

    The highschool drop out rate in certain places is alarming however there are more blks attending and graduating from college now more than ever which is always a good thing

    We have plenty more work to do but u also have to consider we arent to far from the days of jim crow




  • Wild Self
    Wild Self Members Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    knights wrote: »
    From without and within the building crumbles. Long as ? post forthcoming.

    I read this article for Rhetoric of Hip Hop last semester that said people from broken and single-parent homes are less likely to finish a project once it gets difficult. Having one or no parents to walk them through the entire process from beginning to end to show them what (1) perseverance is when the project gets difficult, and (2) there is as much praise for finishing a project as there is in starting one, the child grows up only interested in things for as long as he or she receives attention.

    Now apply that to my people.

    K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.

    6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.

    9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.

    The Valedictorian who never partied, got straight A's, and won a scholarship to Harvard is less important than the team winning state with Carlito scoring 25 and grabbing 10 boards. 4 years of struggling in books by yourself vs. running laps, playing a game, and getting hoes. Easy choice.

    There's an example in the previous example.

    The article basically reveals a trend in broken and single-home children, which black folks are the leaders in unfortunately, and that's trendiness. Media makes it sound cool, but here's the reality: we're rapidly becoming if we aren't already a people who trend hop. Problem is, we treat ? that isn't a trend--like education--like a trend.

    Look at Hip Hop. We start so much ? and stop the minute it gets "too hard" and the attention wanes.

    DJing, breaking, graffiti--hell, even writing ? rhymes down to make them intricate is wack now. Difficulty. Why haul records when you can rap? Why dance when you can mug? Why run from transit when you can do nothing? Why write rhymes for days and hours when you can spit off the dome?

    Now look at each one of those and how they've been handled by people who come from cultures that are more "traditional" and where running from adverse situations isn't overlooked or allowed. Asians, Africans, Europeans--DJing, breaking, graffiti, and intricately rhyming are all still cool as ? . Us? "You DJing? You still on that ? ? Word? You STILL dancing like that? Word? You still reading and going to school ? ?"

    That's why we take educational L's. Education is a trend to us. We celebrate the start-adversity-completion relationship of everything before education. Jail bids, making it to the NBA/NFL/MLB, and child support responsibilities all get bigger parties than graduation. How can we expect anything else? More love coming out of Rykers than NYU. Meanwhile, education and hairstyles on the same level...

    Ether in its highest form. Especially when ? love taking the easy way out and schools having this "hands off" mentality when it comes to that harder work and mentality. I do see some hope of the next generation because the kids are actually trying in school and the "acting white" label is no longer a stigma due to race mixing.
  • alissowack
    alissowack Members Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    ...just a plug for the "Asian" kids. If we knew exactly how these kids were raised, we would come to appreciate freedoms we have to be "smart". Some have parents that will practically disown them for getting an A- in their studies.
  • Ajackson17
    Ajackson17 Members Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Asians freely tell how they raise their kids. They start at the young small age with education and make a lifestyle out of it. It's a lifestyle and anything less is wrong.