Nearly a third of Americans think an armed revolution will be necessary soon
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Black_Samson wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »lol @ these homegrown militia mother ? thinking their weekend woods training is going to prepare them for a battle with the U.S. military.
you are grossly underestimating them.
most are already military training and unlike ? ...they share knowledge an improve on each others ideas for the greater cause. ? wanna be know as the dude that knows it all an should be the leader.
it was the militias that are behind most homegrown terrorism.
if all these lil militias band together....they can mosly likely hold off the military for a few years.
guerrilla tactics ? on conventional tactics.
just think Iraq or Afghanistan with better weapons.
? no, I work with DOD. If you really think these homegrown militias could do anything to our military, you don't really understand where the military is at now. There is a bunch of reasons why ? went on so long in Iraq and Afghanistan. None of those reasons are because guerrilla tactics worked so well and none of those reasons apply to homegrown militias.
lol @ them holding off the military for a few years. If they get on some homegrown terrorism ? and just take ? shots at innocent civilians in an effort to make a point, then yeah maybe it takes a while for the government to wipe them out. If these idiots really think they can take the U.S. military on with their battle strategy and weapons, then they are stupid. And anybody that thinks they could is stupid. I'll tell you straight up. Anonymous has a better chance of winning a war with the U.S. government than a bunch of gun crazed backwoods hicks.Black_Samson wrote: »oops i forgot.
im in the Social Lounge, where pseudo-intellectual pacifist, pretend to know a thing or two about guerrilla warfare vs conventional warfare...
yeah, cause everytime a ? country employed said tactics against our Joe's we came out on top right?
you ? need history.
? out of here man. What are you talking about? Vietnam? I mean that's about all that really applies here. And there are way more factors into why that turned out to be a fiasco than guerilla warfare vs conventional warfare. Not only that, but ? is a lot different techwise nowadays, and we're not talking about taking over a damn country. We're talking about stomping a splinter segment of our own population. What you're suggesting doesn't even make sense. There the ones talking about they will mount an offensive. In what world, do you think these dudes will be able to actively take on our military and win. Who gives a ? if they are 7th generation military? They still don't have access to the stuff that makes out military dangerous.
I honestly think people underestimate what the militaries of powerful countries are capable of.
dude...
one side is wearing uniforms the other side isn't.
do you have any idea how hard it is to fight that?
act like FLiR is impossible to beat.
im not saying it's going to be a long engagement, but the first couple of pushes are going to be met with force that even you wouldn't expect.
IED's change everything too bruh...
dawg i frequent sites that are adamant about tearing apart every bit of technolgy the fed's would employ and finding it's weakness. and this the internet.
a whole lot more people are scared than yall think... aint just a small town in ga either...
no, one side is wearing uniforms and has trillions of dollars of tech at their disposal while the other side isn't and only has some guns and whatever ? they can ? rig.
You can believe what you want, but these dudes have no chance of going head up with the U.S. military and winning. As someone else suggested, I doubt they could even beat out the domestic and federal law enforcement agencies if they went head to head.
Now, if they are talking about going on to some terrorism ? , then yeah, they could cause a lot of damage before they were taken down. And lol @ thinking military tech can be easily defeated because some dudes on the internet said so. I'm not saying that anything the military has is invincible, but I wouldn't put that much stock into what some guys on the internet said especially when those guys have no idea about some of the ? that the military has in it's back pocket. -
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Black_Samson wrote: »you ? will sit and praise mayweather for his stick and move fighting style yet will laugh at guerrilla warfare...
interesting...Today, with police militarization, the NYPD can overthrow nations. These "militias" are filled with delusional rednecks. Don't get me wrong, anybody with the type of weapons they have access to is dangerous but that hardly means they can beat any military force and yes I'm including local police forces.
Again ? need to wake up. You got the ATF, FBI, CIA, DOD, state national guards, and about 800k police officers to shoot. Oh and let's not forget about private contractors, tanks, jets and drones.
So where your "guerrillas" gonna start? Its gonna take more than rolling around in wheat fields to do any real damage.
And if you don't think the military or any other force won't take action against people, tell that to the Oakland PD who beat the ? out of Occupy protesters (who weren't armed), tell that to the FBI who drove a ? tank through David Koresh's fortress (they also burned the ? to the ground) and ultimately tell that ? to the Confederate Army lol.
When facing an overwhelmingly more powerful foe you don't try to match strength, that's a losing plan.
yall dont know ? about guerrilla warfare huh?
the thing is, it's not gon be the hillbillys and gun nuts on the defensive, it's going to be the feds.
we gotta find the cells first...
they can keep striking and moving, striking and moving.
? 's like a damn hydra.
and worst yet is we, the noncombatant's will be the ones to suffer the most in the end, cause of the loss of liberties.
i never said they'd win.
they dont have too, not immediately...
lol...
think about it.
Here we go with the guerilla warfare ? again? Dog, this ain't the Civil War. lol @ you acting like cats are going to be going all Swamp Fox in the modern era. What exactly would they even be accomplishing by striking and moving? They'd ? people, but there would always be more to take their place and they wouldn't succeed in getting the government to change. All they would be doing is pushing the greenlight for more force to be used on the government's behalf, and there is a point where the rebels would be ? plain and simple. -
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Black_Samson wrote: »we had trillions of dollars of tech in iraq and afghanistan and most the real work was still done by boots on ground.
americans fighting americans who want america to be america again...
you wanna talk about a psyop?!
HAAAAAAAAA!
Dog you keep on bringing up Iraq and Afghanistan. Those are two completely different situations. We were literally trying to take a country over with Iraq, and in Afghanistan we were trying to forcibly remove a bunch of people that were entrenched in an area. On top of that both those happened in foreign countries where intelligence is limited. You're comparing that, to some cats that want to go on the offensive against the U.S., live in the U.S., and are likely already on watchlists and being monitored. Those circumstances are in no way comparable. You're comparing apples and oranges. -
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so the army can fight against ied's and people potshotting from snipers postions?
have you ? been to your local gun range?
these white boys aint playing.
now while i know a few brothas that got that heat..but lets keep it real here. -
the united states of america is not the exception to history when a people turn against their government sooner or later the government losses. for a solider of the usa bombing an america city or shooting americans mentally will not be the same as doing it in iraq. and that is why the government will lose. If the rebel side can gain any support from the general public even on a state level it will be a wrap because then the only way to stop it would be all out war with what ever states that support the rebels.
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How many people here are former military because they should be the ones who know what they are talking about the rest of us are just guessing really.
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How many people here are former military because they should be the ones who know what they are talking about the rest of us are just guessing really.
i can say im not an ex military guy....but i have been around an seen ppl at the ranges an see the type guns they have.
I have know ppl who talk to those militia people...they are like the aryans in prison...they stick together an will support each other an trade knwledge.
tim mcveigh?
? brought dwon a big ass building by himself...
now image 10 others doing the same at the same time all around the country....
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To all those saying a revolution would die out quick due to superior military technology, I have three words for you: Afghanistan and Vietnam
American military isn't as bad ass as we think it is, America hasn't won a real war in a long time. America's military is soooo strong and soooo powerful we haven't beat the flip flop wearing, AK-47 using Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in 11 years LOL....Karzai's govt in Afghanistan only has real power in Kabul and like ten percent of the country. A revolution against American govt wouldn't be as tough as some of ya'll think
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Today, with police militarization, the NYPD can overthrow nations. These "militias" are filled with delusional rednecks. Don't get me wrong, anybody with the type of weapons they have access to is dangerous but that hardly means they can beat any military force and yes I'm including local police forces.
Again ? need to wake up. You got the ATF, FBI, CIA, DOD, state national guards, and about 800k police officers to shoot. Oh and let's not forget about private contractors, tanks, jets and drones.
So where your "guerrillas" gonna start? Its gonna take more than rolling around in wheat fields to do any real damage.
And if you don't think the military or any other force won't take action against people, tell that to the Oakland PD who beat the ? out of Occupy protesters (who weren't armed), tell that to the FBI who drove a ? tank through David Koresh's fortress (they also burned the ? to the ground) and ultimately tell that ? to the Confederate Army lol.
When facing an overwhelmingly more powerful foe you don't try to match strength, that's a losing plan.
Americans are armed to the teeth in comparison to most of the world. America is getting its ass kicked in Afghanistan by people with old ass weapons and little to no body armor.
Now imagine how American military would do against citizens with modern weapons. ? would get ugly....not saying a revolution would be easy but taking on America's military wouldn't be as overwhelming as you think. Based on how America has performed in Iraq and Afghanistan, I gota say I'm not impressed -
MansaMusa67 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »A revolution wouldn't be a bad idea but I only fear who would replace this already corrupt federal govt we have. I don't want Tea Baggers in charge of my healthcare or my water.
Well, to be fair....The ones currently in charge apparently haven't been making decisions in you best interest....
Oh this I know trust me..... -
America all Ls when it come to guerilla warfare. We got the technology but the military aint got the brains to use it correctly or adapt to smarter, desperate ? with a gameplan.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »Today, with police militarization, the NYPD can overthrow nations. These "militias" are filled with delusional rednecks. Don't get me wrong, anybody with the type of weapons they have access to is dangerous but that hardly means they can beat any military force and yes I'm including local police forces.
Again ? need to wake up. You got the ATF, FBI, CIA, DOD, state national guards, and about 800k police officers to shoot. Oh and let's not forget about private contractors, tanks, jets and drones.
So where your "guerrillas" gonna start? Its gonna take more than rolling around in wheat fields to do any real damage.
And if you don't think the military or any other force won't take action against people, tell that to the Oakland PD who beat the ? out of Occupy protesters (who weren't armed), tell that to the FBI who drove a ? tank through David Koresh's fortress (they also burned the ? to the ground) and ultimately tell that ? to the Confederate Army lol.
When facing an overwhelmingly more powerful foe you don't try to match strength, that's a losing plan.
Americans are armed to the teeth in comparison to most of the world. America is getting its ass kicked in Afghanistan by people with old ass weapons and little to no body armor.
Now imagine how American military would do against citizens with modern weapons. ? would get ugly....not saying a revolution would be easy but taking on America's military wouldn't be as overwhelming as you think. Based on how America has performed in Iraq and Afghanistan, I gota say I'm not impressed
Iraq was overthrown extremely quickly, don't believe the hype. The military wasn't still fighting a war over there, they already won the war, certainly you remember Saddam hiding in a hole? Afghanistan is the same case, neither country was a threat really. The military were allowing governments to be structured and taken over, procuring land and resources for American corporations, they were dealing with rebels definitely but no military just scabs with guns. They were also hunting, capturing , investigating and interrogating "terrorists". They were quite busy for those 10 years...wasting everybody's money but they had plenty to do.
Vietnam was damn near a lifetime ago and many historians have mixed responses to America losing battles there:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/05/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-never-lost-major-battle-vietn/
Certainly you won't say that things are the same. The wars aren't on people's TV screens anymore, public opinion doesn't matter that much anymore, the technology is different as well.
Fact is, an armed revolution is foolish. If you really want to change the system a gun won't get it done. -
actually, we should also be fair: look how many of your list were supplied materially by outside actors. that helps a LOT.Swiffness! wrote: »The Taliban? Soviet Partisans? FARC? IRA? You talking about powerful movements that were forged under conditions of terrible, damn-near-apocalyptic, suffering, oppression, and death.
so i am just going to say this: you saw politicians talk about it and then walk it back during this year's round of anti-gun legislation. and while there IS an air of fear-mongering about it, seriously, this is why people want gun registries.Swiffness! wrote: »ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN NOBODY'S EVER GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY SHUT THE ? UP.
let's get this out of the way: Vietnam was not about a guerrilla war versus the US. we ultimately crushed those guerrillas. however, there was this little country next door called North Vietnam...The Lonious Monk wrote: »? out of here man. What are you talking about? Vietnam? I mean that's about all that really applies here.
again, thinking of Vietnam as a guerrilla war is a bit of a misconception. also:kingblaze84 wrote: »To all those saying a revolution would die out quick due to superior military technology, I have three words for you: Afghanistan and Vietnam
so here's the thing: America's military beats the ? out of whatever military force fights us. seriously, both in Iraq and Afghanistan. but the problem is that Afghanistan isn't about winning militarily. seriously, for all the big talk, tell me a scenario where the Taliban could make the US leave by force. will they be there after we say "? it" and roll out? likely, but on the other hand, it won't be because they beat us up.kingblaze84 wrote: »American military isn't as bad ass as we think it is, America hasn't won a real war in a long time. America's military is soooo strong and soooo powerful we haven't beat the flip flop wearing, AK-47 using Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in 11 years
also, i will take the rednecks over the federal/local police. either way, i guess you've got a bunch of people who want to play military, and i think we have more rednecks. -
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Y'all can think those crazy rednecks in Appalachia are easy pickings if you want, any group willing to lay down for a belief is dangerous.
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How many people here are former military because they should be the ones who know what they are talking about the rest of us are just guessing really.
<--Army Vet
Served in Iraq (in the beginning when ? was real AND I was an infantryman at the time
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I know for a fact that American Soldiers ain't willing to go against citizens of their own country
now police are a different story, they already have no problems with ? with people's rights every day
what would most likely happen in a revolution is the military, police, armed govt agencies would fracture into separate groups with separate loyalties..............same thing with the civilian populace
it would be highly unlikely that ? would shooting side by side with the redneck militias
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Sooo who's ideology will we install once the revolution occurs (if you win or even know who your enemy is). Y'all ? gonna be looking like the Bolsheviks when Stalin ? on everybody and took over from where the October Revolution ended. Everybody wants to revolt for different reasons and many are completely against your principles. I hope you all have a plan to grab power in the vacuum that will occur. Don't think black folks gonna have a say.
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