"Malcolm Shabazz, grandson of Malcolm X, killed"

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  • S2J
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    traestar wrote: »
    I know I've heard of him being involved in the fire that killed his grandmom, but Idda know about that because there might be more to that that may apply to him being a fall guy to what really happened. Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples. I just don't want to rely on the general media on what happened in incidents because they HAVE control of the information that people receive.

    Far be it for me to let the truth interupt a good conspiracy, but here Malcolm is in his OWN words in 2001:
    Calmly, then, he talked about the fire.

    His grandmother's bedroom was in the middle of the hall. She could have turned away from the flames and made it outside.

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    And heres a GREAT article that sheds light on some of his post-fire life

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/06/nyregion/for-malcolm-x-s-grandson-a-clouded-path.html?ref=malcolmshabazz
  • janklow
    janklow Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    edited May 2013
    traestar wrote: »
    Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples.
    ...what about the deaths of Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston is mysterious? drug addicts die all the time.

    the fact is, it's a more likely explanation that he was a troubled kid who died for some reason than THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO STOP MALCOLM X'S GRANDSON WHO WAS DOING NOTHING OF CONSEQUENCE. it doesn't make the circumstances of his life/death less sad and/or unfortunate.
  • Swiffness!
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    I smell a rat. Called the cia
    another assassination on behalf of the CIA

    Black Jesus Christ Almighty will you ? fools stop with this ? . You ? must think Amy Winehouse, Junior Seau, and your grandmother was all secretly assassinated by the CIA. You ? really think the CIA gave two ? about this nobody because THE BLOOD OF THE GREAT ONE PULSES THROUGH HIS VEINS? Are you ? serious with this Game of Thrones royal bloodline fantasy ? ?

    This dude's most notable act was setting a fire that burned Betty Shabazz to death. That's just fact.
    traestar wrote: »
    Yea they were after him because he was informing people in Iran of what they are doing in US

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiOj5y2yLI

    oh yeah they killed him cuz he was leaking the TOP SECRET INFO that's there's racism in America omglol

    Face it: if black activism were basketball, this dude wouldn't even be Brent Barry or Luke Wilson. He'd be one of Michael Jordan's sons.....the one who averaged 1.6 points a game.

    just another deeply troubled kid with famous DNA that never took LAW #41 to heart....

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  • traestar
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    s2jepeka wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    I know I've heard of him being involved in the fire that killed his grandmom, but Idda know about that because there might be more to that that may apply to him being a fall guy to what really happened. Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples. I just don't want to rely on the general media on what happened in incidents because they HAVE control of the information that people receive.

    Far be it for me to let the truth interupt a good conspiracy, but here Malcolm is in his OWN words in 2001:
    Calmly, then, he talked about the fire.

    His grandmother's bedroom was in the middle of the hall. She could have turned away from the flames and made it outside.

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    And heres a GREAT article that sheds light on some of his post-fire life

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/06/nyregion/for-malcolm-x-s-grandson-a-clouded-path.html?ref=malcolmshabazz

    Oh ok, so she died trying to save her grandkids. Why he set his house on fire, thats weird. Honestly there could've been alot of things that happened that sparked that fire. If he was really troubled, I get it but to intent on killing your grandmom doesn't sound right.
  • traestar
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    janklow wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples.
    ...what about the deaths of Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston is mysterious? drug addicts die all the time.

    the fact is, it's a more likely explanation that he was a troubled kid who died for some reason than THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO STOP MALCOLM X'S GRANDSON WHO WAS DOING NOTHING OF CONSEQUENCE. it doesn't make the circumstances of his life/death less sad and/or unfortunate.

    I'm saying DON'T take the media's story for face value. Try to get the story from different perspectives instead of believing what they tell you to believe.

    We DON'T know the full story unless we were there, but keep in mind that authorities and media groups could hide evidence, create scenes, etc. in order to get the viewing audience to believe what they create.
  • traestar
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    Swiffness! wrote: »
    I smell a rat. Called the cia
    another assassination on behalf of the CIA

    Black Jesus Christ Almighty will you ? fools stop with this ? . You ? must think Amy Winehouse, Junior Seau, and your grandmother was all secretly assassinated by the CIA. You ? really think the CIA gave two ? about this nobody because THE BLOOD OF THE GREAT ONE PULSES THROUGH HIS VEINS? Are you ? serious with this Game of Thrones royal bloodline fantasy ? ?

    This dude's most notable act was setting a fire that burned Betty Shabazz to death. That's just fact.
    traestar wrote: »
    Yea they were after him because he was informing people in Iran of what they are doing in US

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiOj5y2yLI

    oh yeah they killed him cuz he was leaking the TOP SECRET INFO that's there's racism in America omglol

    Face it: if black activism were basketball, this dude wouldn't even be Brent Barry or Luke Wilson. He'd be one of Michael Jordan's sons.....the one who averaged 1.6 points a game.

    just another deeply troubled kid with famous DNA that never took LAW #41 to heart....

    Avoid Stepping into a Great Man’s Shoes

    If you succeed a great man or have a famous parent, you will have to accomplish double their achievements to outshine them. Do not get lost in their shadow, or stuck in a past not of your own making: Establish your own name and identity by changing course. Slay the overbearing father, disparage his legacy, and gain power by shining in your own way.

    Do I know exactly what the situation was with Malcolm, no. But please believe that the powers that be do not want you to spread awareness about the injustices that are going in America.
  • traestar
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    s2jepeka wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    I know I've heard of him being involved in the fire that killed his grandmom, but Idda know about that because there might be more to that that may apply to him being a fall guy to what really happened. Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples. I just don't want to rely on the general media on what happened in incidents because they HAVE control of the information that people receive.

    Far be it for me to let the truth interupt a good conspiracy, but here Malcolm is in his OWN words in 2001:
    Calmly, then, he talked about the fire.

    His grandmother's bedroom was in the middle of the hall. She could have turned away from the flames and made it outside.

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    And heres a GREAT article that sheds light on some of his post-fire life

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/06/nyregion/for-malcolm-x-s-grandson-a-clouded-path.html?ref=malcolmshabazz

    I've read the article, Idda know. I'm not sure of Malcolm Shabazz's criminal past, but I don't think this had connection to his death. Keep in mind this happened a couple months back...http://newsone.com/2183813/malcolm-shabazz-arrested/

  • S2J
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    edited May 2013
    traestar wrote: »
    s2jepeka wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    I know I've heard of him being involved in the fire that killed his grandmom, but Idda know about that because there might be more to that that may apply to him being a fall guy to what really happened. Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples. I just don't want to rely on the general media on what happened in incidents because they HAVE control of the information that people receive.

    Far be it for me to let the truth interupt a good conspiracy, but here Malcolm is in his OWN words in 2001:
    Calmly, then, he talked about the fire.

    His grandmother's bedroom was in the middle of the hall. She could have turned away from the flames and made it outside.

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    And heres a GREAT article that sheds light on some of his post-fire life

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/06/nyregion/for-malcolm-x-s-grandson-a-clouded-path.html?ref=malcolmshabazz

    Oh ok, so she died trying to save her grandkids. Why he set his house on fire, thats weird. Honestly there could've been alot of things that happened that sparked that fire. If he was really troubled, I get it but to intent on killing your grandmom doesn't sound right.

    Wow...just, wow. Ngga i posted the articl efor a reason Lol READ IT.

    The ngga HIMSELF says it in plain view: "I set the fire in the hallway"

    He was acting out b/c...again, in his own words: 'I wanted them to send me back to my mom"

    Why are you sniffing and searching for logic and motive: He was 12! Basically he was a 12 yr old kid playin with fire (kids do that, ya know) that didnt realize how it could spread

  • traestar
    traestar Members Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2013
    s2jepeka wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    s2jepeka wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    I know I've heard of him being involved in the fire that killed his grandmom, but Idda know about that because there might be more to that that may apply to him being a fall guy to what really happened. Just saying because if you notice when higher profile people are killed or "accidentally killed", you don't always hear the real story. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, just a couple examples. I just don't want to rely on the general media on what happened in incidents because they HAVE control of the information that people receive.

    Far be it for me to let the truth interupt a good conspiracy, but here Malcolm is in his OWN words in 2001:
    Calmly, then, he talked about the fire.

    His grandmother's bedroom was in the middle of the hall. She could have turned away from the flames and made it outside.

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    And heres a GREAT article that sheds light on some of his post-fire life

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/06/nyregion/for-malcolm-x-s-grandson-a-clouded-path.html?ref=malcolmshabazz

    Oh ok, so she died trying to save her grandkids. Why he set his house on fire, thats weird. Honestly there could've been alot of things that happened that sparked that fire. If he was really troubled, I get it but to intent on killing your grandmom doesn't sound right.

    Wow...just, wow. Ngga i posted the articl efor a reason Lol READ IT.

    The ngga HIMSELF says it in plain view: "I set the fire in the hallway"

    He was acting out b/c...again, in his own words: 'I wanted them to send me back to my mom"

    Why are you sniffing and searching for logic and motive: He was 12! Basically he was a 12 yr old kid playin with fire (kids do that, ya know) that didnt realize how it could spread

    Calm down, I'm saying there could've been alot of reasons why he did it. And I didn't see any of that in that article you posted. Show me the article where he said that.
  • traestar
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  • traestar
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    Dude, he even said he didn't intend it for his grandmom, he did it in order to stress his anger towards his imprisoned mother. Ok, thats the reason, got it.
  • S2J
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    Correction Appended

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    I already posted this part^^^...

    Mother and son lived a nomadic existence, moving from France to California, to New York City, to Pennsylvania. In 1995, when Malcolm was 10, Qubilah was charged with plotting with her boyfriend to assassinate Louis Farrakhan out of fear for the life of her mother, who long suspected Mr. Farrakhan had a role in Malcolm X's death.

    The boyfriend was an F.B.I. informer later accused of ensnaring Qubilah in a sting, and the charges were dropped, but she agreed to psychiatric and substance-abuse treatment in Texas.

    When that was done, two years later, she brought Malcolm to live with her in San Antonio, where they battled, sometimes physically. After only a few months she sent him back to live with his grandmother. But Dr. Shabazz, devoted to preserving her husband's memory, often had to leave town, sending the boy to stay with an aunt, who in turn would send him to a friend -- a door-to-door cycle he hated.

    ''And this time, I start acting up,'' he said. ''Being bad, doing anything to get them to send me back to my mother. And nothing's working.

    ''Then I get the idea to set the fire.''


    Before sentencing, the prosecution and the judge selected mental health specialists to interview Malcolm and his family. One testified that Malcolm was ''a schizophrenic boy of a paranoid type.'' Another said that he was fascinated by fire, that he set his shoes ablaze at age 3. Even family members were stunned to hear testimony that Malcolm had an imaginary friend named Sinister Torch who told him to do things.

    Malcolm says now that he came up with the friend -- combining the names of characters from the X-Men comics -- as a way to get out of trouble when he was 9. ''That was the type of kid I was: 'I can do this and not be responsible for my actions.' ''
  • traestar
    traestar Members Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    s2jepeka wrote: »

    (Page 2 of 4)
    Correction Appended

    ''I set a fire in the hallway, and I didn't think the whole thing through thoroughly, but she didn't have to run through that fire,'' he said. ''There was another way out of the house from her room. I guess what she thought was I was stuck, and she had to run and get me because it was in front of my room as well. She ran through the fire. I did not picture that happening, that she would do that.''

    I already posted this part^^^...

    Mother and son lived a nomadic existence, moving from France to California, to New York City, to Pennsylvania. In 1995, when Malcolm was 10, Qubilah was charged with plotting with her boyfriend to assassinate Louis Farrakhan out of fear for the life of her mother, who long suspected Mr. Farrakhan had a role in Malcolm X's death.

    The boyfriend was an F.B.I. informer later accused of ensnaring Qubilah in a sting, and the charges were dropped, but she agreed to psychiatric and substance-abuse treatment in Texas.

    When that was done, two years later, she brought Malcolm to live with her in San Antonio, where they battled, sometimes physically. After only a few months she sent him back to live with his grandmother. But Dr. Shabazz, devoted to preserving her husband's memory, often had to leave town, sending the boy to stay with an aunt, who in turn would send him to a friend -- a door-to-door cycle he hated.

    ''And this time, I start acting up,'' he said. ''Being bad, doing anything to get them to send me back to my mother. And nothing's working.

    ''Then I get the idea to set the fire.''


    Before sentencing, the prosecution and the judge selected mental health specialists to interview Malcolm and his family. One testified that Malcolm was ''a schizophrenic boy of a paranoid type.'' Another said that he was fascinated by fire, that he set his shoes ablaze at age 3. Even family members were stunned to hear testimony that Malcolm had an imaginary friend named Sinister Torch who told him to do things.

    Malcolm says now that he came up with the friend -- combining the names of characters from the X-Men comics -- as a way to get out of trouble when he was 9. ''That was the type of kid I was: 'I can do this and not be responsible for my actions.' ''

    There are more pages, I didn't see that. Well why didn't anyone call to the fact that he was moving from different families and not understanding why he couldn't be with his mother at a young age. NO balance in his family, not learning any sense of discipline. Yea him commiting arson resulting in killing his grandmother is terrible, but no one looks at the situations that led to that happening. His mother trying to hide from Louis Farrakhan leading to her leaving her son to her mother. Then no one taking care of him so he started making the wrong decisions. Then when he was locked up, started reading and understanding what he was doing wrong and started doing right for himself once he got out.
  • janklow
    janklow Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    traestar wrote: »
    I'm saying DON'T take the media's story for face value. Try to get the story from different perspectives instead of believing what they tell you to believe.
    first off, let's just get this out there: there's NO unbiased source, and one that actively disagrees with "the media" has PROBABLY got their own agenda. but the thing is this: it's more likely he's a guy with issues than he's some big deal target for the government to bring down ASAP.
  • traestar
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    janklow wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    I'm saying DON'T take the media's story for face value. Try to get the story from different perspectives instead of believing what they tell you to believe.
    first off, let's just get this out there: there's NO unbiased source, and one that actively disagrees with "the media" has PROBABLY got their own agenda. but the thing is this: it's more likely he's a guy with issues than he's some big deal target for the government to bring down ASAP.

    You believe everything you read/watch/hear in the news?
  • janklow
    janklow Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    traestar wrote: »
    You believe everything you read/watch/hear in the news?
    perhaps a better question is "did you actually read my post before you got hurt feelings about it?" let's look at the bolded again:
    janklow wrote: »
    first off, let's just get this out there: there's NO unbiased source-
    yeah, looks like i am including every damn thing you'd qualify as "the media" in there.

    on the other hand, you're telling everyone the media cannot be trusted because they have an agenda while not asking if your trusted sources have an agenda as well. some of these concepts - like bias - apply to absolutely EVERYONE.
  • traestar
    traestar Members Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    traestar wrote: »
    You believe everything you read/watch/hear in the news?
    perhaps a better question is "did you actually read my post before you got hurt feelings about it?" let's look at the bolded again:
    janklow wrote: »
    first off, let's just get this out there: there's NO unbiased source-
    yeah, looks like i am including every damn thing you'd qualify as "the media" in there.

    on the other hand, you're telling everyone the media cannot be trusted because they have an agenda while not asking if your trusted sources have an agenda as well. some of these concepts - like bias - apply to absolutely EVERYONE.

    ok
  • blackamerica
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    janklow wrote: »
    perhaps a better question is "did you actually read my post before you got hurt feelings about it?"/quote]
    Answer his question and stop shuckin & jivin like you always do. ? ask you a direct question, you respond with "perhaps a better question is..". Gtfoh lol. Do you believe the media? Very simple
    janklow wrote: »
    yeah, looks like i am including every damn thing you'd qualify as "the media" in there.

    on the other hand, you're telling everyone the media cannot be trusted because they have an agenda while not asking if your trusted sources have an agenda as well. some of these concepts - like bias - apply to absolutely EVERYONE.
    You try so hard to play the middle you expose your ignorance at times. One way you determine whether your sources are legit is checking that source's credibility and if the person funding them plays a part. The US media has been known to lie and mislead the public. They've also been known to strike fear into the public to push a certain agenda.


    But yet janklow says differently
  • blackamerica
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    "janklow wrote: »
    perhaps a better question is "did you actually read my post before you got hurt feelings about it?"
    Answer his question and stop shuckin & jivin like you always do. ? ask you a direct question, you respond with "perhaps a better question is..". Gtfoh lol. Do you believe the media? Very simple
    janklow wrote: »
    yeah, looks like i am including every damn thing you'd qualify as "the media" in there.

    on the other hand, you're telling everyone the media cannot be trusted because they have an agenda while not asking if your trusted sources have an agenda as well. some of these concepts - like bias - apply to absolutely EVERYONE.
    You try so hard to play the middle you expose your ignorance at times. One way you determine whether your sources are legit is checking that source's credibility and if the person funding them plays a part. The US media has been known to lie and mislead the public. They've also been known to strike fear into the public to push a certain agenda.

    Thats who you get you're opinions from? The mainstream media is your source of information? Really? And you trying to shoot down every conspiracy because the mainstream media told you do lol


  • janklow
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    Answer his question and stop shuckin & jivin like you always do. ? ask you a direct question, you respond with "perhaps a better question is..". Gtfoh lol. Do you believe the media? Very simple
    yeah, actually, i DID answer his question: "yeah, looks like i am including every damn thing you'd qualify as "the media" in there."

    i guess you're carrying around such HURT FEELINGS that you're leaping into a debate that was resolved a week ago to try and prove otherwise?

    i also suspect that someone who dodged serious responses in other threads HE WAS ACTUALLY DEBATING IN shouldn't be in here calling people out for not answering questions, but you'll note i bring it up topically and not as part of a sadness obsession.
    janklow wrote: »
    You try so hard to play the middle you expose your ignorance at times. One way you determine whether your sources are legit is checking that source's credibility and if the person funding them plays a part. The US media has been known to lie and mislead the public. They've also been known to strike fear into the public to push a certain agenda. Thats who you get you're opinions from? The mainstream media is your source of information? Really? And you trying to shoot down every conspiracy because the mainstream media told you do lol
    honestly, if you wanted to try and talk ? , you should PROBABLY have done a better job in composing your argument before claiming anyone else's "ignorance" is exposed.

    ...because if you actually read the thread, you'll note the following:

    --i note that NO SOURCE (and this includes the "mainstream media") is free of bias; use a little critical thinking and you'll realize this in turn means you should question all sources;
    --i note that EVERYONE (and once again, this includes the "mainstream media") has an agenda;
    --you're leaping to conclusions about what i base my opinions on (i get my opinions from myself) because, well, it's convenient to your world views, although in fairness, i suspect to you, "mainstream media" means "any media source that disagrees with me."

    yet you're so upset about something in the past (probably me calling ? on some nonsense you posted in another thread) that you're in here yelling because i say all sources have agendas and should be considered biased? that doesn't even make sense beyond hurt feelings just making you post this way to prove some kind of point.