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Flavor Flav Explains Why Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar & Drake Music Is "Not Hip Hop"

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  • WeazelWeazel Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeeeeeah Boyyyyyy

    Flave might be clowning most of the time, but he is...let's say, not totally wrong at some point
    The thing about that lost element in Hip Hop he talked about for example. IMO it's not even about one
    Because the last decade felt like one big Hip Hop culture shock to me, now im talking mainly mainstream

    Kendrick is definitely a Hip Hop artist to me, he may experiment with all kind of beats and styles all he wan't
    As long as he don't forget what gave him the opportunity in the first place, and that was *drum-sounds* Hip Hop
  • A1000MILESA1000MILES Posts: 13,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Een though he's wrong...I get what he means...
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  • BarryHallsBarryHalls Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He has a point. Hip Hop is fun when its at the 93-108 BPM range. I'm sick and tired of these R.Kelly's "bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce" 68-75 BPM tracks.
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  • bigrizzbigrizz Posts: 4,369 ✭✭✭
    Dude is in PE so he entitled to his opinion. Its funny to see niggas hate on people who are doing better than them.
  • Peezy_JenkinsPeezy_Jenkins Sion Posts: 33,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    im cool with slow tempos

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  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    J-Breezy wrote: »
    If he would've explained more I think he would've had a point.
    Flav don't give a fuck tho.
    As long as he getting paid people can call him all kinds of crispety crunchety crackety coons.

    Fuck I missed this place.
  • GovernmentCheeseGovernmentCheese Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2013
    "There's no more of that 'Wave your hands in the air like you just don't care' - you know, something that makes you wanna get out there and breakdance,"

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    Flav start doing spinaroonies in his kitchen every time he like a song.
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  • SionSion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Posts: 45,664 Regulator
    He does have a point tho, when was the last time you've seen a bunch of black kids breakdancing ? Or people doing grafitti ? The only area he's wrong is with the music component but remember Hip-Hop is a culture not just limited to music. The music was just a form of expression. The aforementioned artists transcended Hip-Hop into Pop music for dollars and commercial appeal which is exactly what we hear now and as a result, certain elements of the culture weren't so lucky in the transitioning as they simply weren't as profitable.

    I get what he's saying but I felt he dropped the ball in not explaining it well. Hip-Hop's musical component went to the moon but the other shit these niggas are doing arguably isn't Hip-Hop. Also b/c of who it is and his history history with drugs, niggas are quick to dismiss him w/o thinking about it. If you young you won't understand, if you older you'll feel what he's saying. We went from breakdancing to twerk videos, grafitti to stereotypical internet memes ("niggas be like...."), rappers wearing skirts and rap music being a laughable career choice for people wanting to get out the hood (which contradicts part of Hip-Hop's goal). At the same time tho it's sort of the old school's fault for not properly grooming the new generation, it sorta was and wasn't their fault tho. Today many don't even own their own music and are broke b/c of shady label practices.

    Rap MUSIC has come along way but the rest of the culture hasn't been so fortunate.

    Iuno just my 2 cents, it really can go both ways tho....
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  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sion wrote: »
    He does have a point tho, when was the last time you've seen a bunch of black kids breakdancing ? Or people doing grafitti ? The only area he's wrong is with the music component but remember Hip-Hop is a culture not just limited to music. The music was just a form of expression. The aforementioned artists transcended Hip-Hop into Pop music for dollars and commercial appeal which is exactly what we hear now and as a result, certain elements of the culture weren't so lucky in the transitioning as they simply weren't as profitable.

    I get what he's saying but I felt he dropped the ball in not explaining it well. Hip-Hop's musical component went to the moon but the other shit these niggas are doing arguably isn't Hip-Hop. Also b/c of who it is and his history history with drugs, niggas are quick to dismiss him w/o thinking about it. If you young you won't understand, if you older you'll feel what he's saying. We went from breakdancing to twerk videos, grafitti to stereotypical internet memes ("niggas be like...."), rappers wearing skirts and rap music being a laughable career choice for people wanting to get out the hood (which contradicts part of Hip-Hop's goal). At the same time tho it's sort of the old school's fault for not properly grooming the new generation, it sorta was and wasn't their fault tho. Today many don't even own their own music and are broke b/c of shady label practices.

    Rap MUSIC has come along way but the rest of the culture hasn't been so fortunate.

    Iuno just my 2 cents, it really can go both ways tho....

    *has never been in an NYC subway post*

    Dead ass tho, every time them kids get on the train, turn on the boombox and start spinning on poles I wanna punch one of them niggas in the face for almost kicking me. But yeah, I dunno about other places, but dancing in general is still big in NY, though dancing for the most part has been clowned for the past decade. I still argue with my peoples to this day that Crank Dat Soulja Boy is a legitimate hip hop song cuz it incorporates dancing, it's just not in late 70s-80s tradition. Sheeit, twerk videos is still hip hop to me... granted it's raunchy and may not show the better side of human psychology, but it's still a culture and both sides of the gender fence seem to enjoy it, so screw it. I feel like hip hop moves as the people move, and whether it's Adidas sweatsuits and backspinnin on cardboard or skinny jeans and doin the dougie, it's all part of the culture.

    BTW, if you never seen subway dancers, it's actually fun to watch unless you're in a packed train bout to get kicked in the mouth. They got different groups, but I forgot their names.

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  • GovernmentCheeseGovernmentCheese Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Sion

    I get his point too but change is inevitable. Get with the times or get left behind.

    He didn't explain it right so it just sounded silly instead. Breakdancing is a major aspect in Hip Hop culture but Flav really showed his age with that statement.
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  • dollarandadreamdollarandadream Posts: 236
    Man Flavor Flav can get the fuc... Never mind
  • GovernmentCheeseGovernmentCheese Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2013
    Imagine girls breakdancing instead of twerking when they hear a song they like.

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  • young_reezyyoung_reezy Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2013
    I guess the question i'm asking myself is when did we turn into a society that gets all up at arms about someone having an opinion that's outside the norm or the unpolitically correct thing to say. You've see people complaining about how Hip Hop aint the same for years... shit Nas even dropped a fuckin album called Hip Hop is dead.. we all know that Hip Hop is a different machine now and some of the purist don't really jive with the new era.. I will say that real Hip Hop isn't as abundant as it once was but it is still out there.
  • soul rattlersoul rattler Chief Petty Officer of the Ill Community Naval Command HOOYAHPosts: 18,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Twerking = hip hop

    The culture is alive and well.
    do you understand what im getting at?? WHAT WHITE PPL THINK, AND WHAT THEY DEFINE THINGS AS IS NOT THE STANDARD YOU SHOULD BE GOING BY. That is of course, if you are not mentally defeated by the complex of white supremacy, where everything whites do is the "right" way, where having straight hair and lightskin is "beautiful" but dark skin and nappy hair is "ugly"
    You're doing it wrong. You take one and really fuck them up; make an example to the other kids. Like grab the small bitch and gouge her eyes out with your thumbs. Then curb stomp her.
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  • LEMZIMUS_RAMSEYLEMZIMUS_RAMSEY SHAPE YOUR REALITY INSIDE WHICH YOU THRIVE Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He is right
    I would like some executioners robb swifft type albums sometimes.
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  • LEMZIMUS_RAMSEYLEMZIMUS_RAMSEY SHAPE YOUR REALITY INSIDE WHICH YOU THRIVE Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Twerking = hip hop

    The culture is alive and well.

    It s low grade hip hop bruh ...
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  • loch121loch121 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    P. Town wrote: »
    Bruh...this nigga Flavor Flav had 2 seasons of a show with 40 bad bitches and end up on Couple's Therapy trying to work out his relationship with the prom fiend

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  • UPTOWNUPTOWN Posts: 13,009 Regulator
    jono wrote: »
    Damn, so dudes just jumped right in with the ad hominem tactics huh?

    It's hard no to...it's Fuckin Flava Flav B

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    Look at this fuck nigga

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    Bruh ...

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    not to mention he had the chance to straighten up and wife this while she was still lookin for "the ladder"


    instead he ends up with ivan drago's sloppy seconds?? ... and dont get me posting pics of bucky
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  • SionSion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Posts: 45,664 Regulator
    edited August 2013
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Sion wrote: »
    He does have a point tho, when was the last time you've seen a bunch of black kids breakdancing ? Or people doing grafitti ? The only area he's wrong is with the music component but remember Hip-Hop is a culture not just limited to music. The music was just a form of expression. The aforementioned artists transcended Hip-Hop into Pop music for dollars and commercial appeal which is exactly what we hear now and as a result, certain elements of the culture weren't so lucky in the transitioning as they simply weren't as profitable.

    I get what he's saying but I felt he dropped the ball in not explaining it well. Hip-Hop's musical component went to the moon but the other shit these niggas are doing arguably isn't Hip-Hop. Also b/c of who it is and his history history with drugs, niggas are quick to dismiss him w/o thinking about it. If you young you won't understand, if you older you'll feel what he's saying. We went from breakdancing to twerk videos, grafitti to stereotypical internet memes ("niggas be like...."), rappers wearing skirts and rap music being a laughable career choice for people wanting to get out the hood (which contradicts part of Hip-Hop's goal). At the same time tho it's sort of the old school's fault for not properly grooming the new generation, it sorta was and wasn't their fault tho. Today many don't even own their own music and are broke b/c of shady label practices.

    Rap MUSIC has come along way but the rest of the culture hasn't been so fortunate.

    Iuno just my 2 cents, it really can go both ways tho....

    *has never been in an NYC subway post*

    Dead ass tho, every time them kids get on the train, turn on the boombox and start spinning on poles I wanna punch one of them niggas in the face for almost kicking me. But yeah, I dunno about other places, but dancing in general is still big in NY, though dancing for the most part has been clowned for the past decade. I still argue with my peoples to this day that Crank Dat Soulja Boy is a legitimate hip hop song cuz it incorporates dancing, it's just not in late 70s-80s tradition. Sheeit, twerk videos is still hip hop to me... granted it's raunchy and may not show the better side of human psychology, but it's still a culture and both sides of the gender fence seem to enjoy it, so screw it. I feel like hip hop moves as the people move, and whether it's Adidas sweatsuits and backspinnin on cardboard or skinny jeans and doin the dougie, it's all part of the culture.

    BTW, if you never seen subway dancers, it's actually fun to watch unless you're in a packed train bout to get kicked in the mouth. They got different groups, but I forgot their names.



    I have never been on an NY subway LOLOL, I'm from Canada so yeah LOL. That's dope as fuck tho and I wish I could see that live in person.

    Personally I wish that representation was shown more in music videos fam. I think your post illustrates my ignorance towards it which kinda goes back to what Flav been tryna say. What I would ask is how do you feel about the representation ? Breakdancing is non-existent in rap videos (I see asian kids who care more about it than black kids & we invented it).

    Imagine yourself in 1989 rocking African/Black Power chains trying to bring social commentary to your people & culture and 24 years later that shit is swept under a rug & the message lost in favor of materialism. He has every reason to throw shade. I'm just saying, I get where Flav is coming from. He aint illustrate himself well but he has a point.

    @Sion

    I get his point too but change is inevitable. Get with the times or get left behind.

    He didn't explain it right so it just sounded silly instead. Breakdancing is a major aspect in Hip Hop culture but Flav really showed his age with that statement.

    This is why I say part of the fault is on the old school, a lot of them dudes just got the money and grew stagnant. They didn't bother to change up their music to fit the changing times the way Jay-Z or Snoop did. Had they done so we might still be getting albums out of them and Hip-Hop might look different today.

    Sad, whenever I see these guys now and compare to how they were back then I can't help but SMMFH. Who'd have thought that PE or even LL would ever fall off ? Little things like that, sucks even more if you still listen to tracks like "Rebel Without A Pause" :( ...
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    jono wrote: »
    This is the folly of the internet. Its become a bastion of misinformation, rumors, conspiracies and propaganda. A place where a person with no face or name can make accusations at any time with no verification or credentials and brainwash a small segment of people.
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Message to the trills of the IC: May Legion Of Trill be your enemies downfall
  • south4lifesouth4life Bama Repesenta! Posts: 9,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    P. Town wrote: »
    Bruh...this nigga Flavor Flav had 2 seasons of a show with 40 bad bitches and end up on Couple's Therapy trying to work out his relationship with the prom fiend

    YO! I thought I was the only one that noticed that shit, she looks rough as hell in the face she kind of reminds me of how Amy Winehouse looked before she passed.

    This nigga let Hoopz and Deelishis slip thru his fingers to stay with the meth user looking chick and apparently they were still dating when he was doing the shows lol.
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  • G.AvantG.Avant The Ville where we chillPosts: 4,360 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This nigga trying to put hip hop in a tiny ass box. He need to chill out alot of these older generattion niggas can't be satisfied cause they be bitter as fuck that they time gone or that shit isn't exactly like it was when they were young. They complain about a lot of the current artist when they probably haven't even listened to like three songs from the nigga. You gotta respect time shit changes, everybody can't sound like a straight out the nineties nigga like Joey Badass. That nigga is they savior lol.
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