Hannibal Season 2 (February 28th)

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  • Broddie
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    Bryan Fuller: We had a much bigger story originally conceived where Will Graham was going to go into that case of her [Bedelia] patient, who was Hannibal Lecter’s former patient, who attacked her and ended up dying mysteriously halfway through the attack, which saved her life.

    That was all going to be this very elaborate kind of Extremities-esque episode where Will Graham was going to be decriminalizing those events, essentially portraying the patient who attacked her and figuring it all out, that she, in fact, killed him. It wasn’t Hannibal Lecter. And the reason she had been keeping secrets all along and Hannibal painted her into this corner where she was complicit in his crimes to keep her silent was because she actually killed a person.

    It was going to be a much bigger story, and it became a game of Name That Tune in six notes, two notes. Can you name that tune in two scenes? It was originally going to be a full episode. We boiled it down to two scenes and were only able to get those two scenes because Gillian Anderson broke her back to give them to us.

    source: http://www.avclub.com/article/hannibals-bryan-fuller-adventures-standards-and-pr-204648

    Interesting. I wish we had gotten to see that episode.
  • marc123
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    Hannibal season finale friday!
  • twentyfivelighters
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    About to go down.
  • TheBossman
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    ? Phillies game is on, might cross over into Hannibal hour.
  • TheBossman
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    Well, he warned her..........
  • TheBossman
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  • twentyfivelighters
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    GOAT

    I cant believe that ? ending!!! wtf!
  • young_belvi
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    Finale was epic! Great, great television.
  • twentyfivelighters
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    They did a complete 180 with some of the source material. Wow.
  • TheBossman
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    This ? Hannibal said
    "Now you know me, now see me".
    GOAT

    had all them people leaking crazy

    All Hannibal had to say to cap it off was, I am my brothers keeper.
  • marc123
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    Damn, damn, damn!

    Wow, im at a loss for words.
  • marc123
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    lol. I didnt even know there was a post credits scene.

    ? awesome
  • TheBossman
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    Just re watched it, lol at alana trying to shoot Hannibal and when she realizes she had no bullets she starting running in slow motion, I started laughing.
  • TheBossman
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    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Hannibal-Season2-Finale-Postmortem-Bryan-Fuller-1082245.aspx

    We knew the Jack-Hannibal fight was coming from the beginning of the season. How much of the rest of the finale did you know that early on?
    Bryan Fuller: I knew that I wanted to have Hannibal lay waste to the remaining cast and then drop the mic and leave the stage. [Laughs] That was the main goal. Really, we wanted to demonstrate how much Will hurt Hannibal. That was a big motivation for this entire finale: It had to be the nasty breakup. It had to be the terrible doom that everyone was rocking toward because they dared to enter into a relationship with Hannibal Lecter and thought they could outsmart him.
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    I was shocked by how bad I did feel for Hannibal. He looked so heartbroken.
    Fuller: When he smells Freddie Lounds on Will Graham, Mads' performance is so struck in that moment because Hannibal was convinced. Will's plan succeeded; he absolutely seduced Hannibal Lecter. That's part of it for Hannibal. "You tricked me, and I allowed myself to be tricked." The other part was just the devastating loss of the friendship.

    And yet, it seemed that Will tried to warn Hannibal that Jack was coming. Had Will truly betrayed Hannibal?
    Fuller: Honestly, Will did not know what he was going to do next in terms of who he was going to betray and who he was going to save. I think he could see a world in which he allowed Hannibal to get away, and there's a world where he could see him incarcerated. When Will calls Hannibal to say, "They know," part of it was to bring the series full circle back to that very first episode and create moments to parallel that. But also for Will, it could mean two things, [which] we won't really understand with absolute clarity until Season 3. On one level, it could be exactly as it appears with him calling his friend and warning him that trouble's coming. Or it could be Will calling and telling Hannibal, "They know," because he wants Hannibal to get out of there before Jack arrives because he's worried about Jack's safety. We really wanted to embrace the idea that the audience should not know at this stage what Will Graham's intentions are because we have a few more punches to be pulled — and not pulled — in Season 3.

    The first huge shock in the episode is the reveal that Abigail is still alive!
    Fuller: Originally, we were going to have Hannibal flying away with Abigail Hobbs. When we started talking about it, we said, "Oh, gosh, we brought Miriam back and we're brining Dr. Chilton back — does that seem like too much?" So we just thought, "Well, let's just bring her back and ? her on-screen!" [Laughs]

    Where has she been all this time? And was there more to Hannibal keeping her alive than just to surprise Will?
    Fuller: [In Season 1] when Hannibal was stroking her cheek and presumably about to cut her throat, he says to her, "I'm sorry I couldn't protect you in this life," which means he had to craft a new one for her. Who she was had to go away. He probably had Abigail in the same house by the sea where he was storing Miriam Lass for all those years, and I think it was about, "I'm going to, once again, take somebody who had the capacity to be a victim in their situation and transform them into their own champion." It's about having Abigail take her life back — or take a life back. Hannibal felt truly responsible for what happened to Abigail. He called her father and said "They know," and that changed her life inexorably.

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    Did Hannibal make Abigail push Alana out the window because of his own feelings for Alana?
    Fuller: What was good about sending Abigail in is that completely surprises Alana, and the element of surprise is her downfall. Alana had a gun, she had an extra clip, and, without Abigail [coming in], she was probably going to end Hannibal in some way. So, Hannibal says, "You go in there and shove her out the window. This is what you have to do in order for us to continue what we set out to do with your life." I don't think Abigail was comfortable with that at all. She was terrified and reluctant to do it but nevertheless had to. As a result, her faith in Hannibal started to shift.

    And then Abigail also was a surprise for Will, though not in the way Hannibal originally intended.
    Fuller: It's so romantic! It's such a romantic gesture. [Laughs]

    Gutting Will and slicing Abigail's throat was decidedly less romantic, however. Did he just want to hurt Will as much as possible?
    Fuller: Absolutely. [He's saying,] "This is the world that we could've had together and it was going to be beautiful. And you ruined everything."

    Is this truly the end of the relationship between them? Will does see the stag die...
    Fuller: The stag always represented the connection between Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter. He started seeing the stag after he was first exposed to Hannibal's murder of Cassie Boyle impaled on the stag head in the field. It felt like, at that moment, the relationship that they had has died. Whatever comes next between them will be a fresh new hell. ... In any relationship, when you throw a fit and end a relationship in dramatic fashion, later you might be going, "Oh, I do sort of miss them." [Laughs] The obsession is going to always work both ways between these two gentlemen.

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    That's assuming that Will survives!
    Fuller: We are staying very true to in the incident in the novel with Will and Hannibal and it's very basic outcome.

    What about the others? Will they make it as well?
    Fuller: There's going to be an impact from what's happened here. It's safe to say that not everybody survives. Everyone that's laying their breathing could be breathing their last breaths. It doesn't go well for all of them.

    Meanwhile Hannibal escapes to France ... with Dr. Du Maurier! Has she been in on this the whole time?
    Fuller: The answers to exactly why Bedelia Du Maurier is on a plane to France with Hannibal Lecter is all part of the first episode of Season 3, which will essentially function as a new pilot for a new series because everything's different.

    Will we be seeing much more of Bedelia next season now that Gillian Anderson's other NBC show was canceled?
    Fuller: She's a very busy lady. But if I had my druthers, she'd be a series regular in Season 3.

  • TheBossman
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    You said next season will be different. Does that mean you're shifting the point of view to be more squarely about Hannibal?
    Fuller: Season 3 is going to be a lot of fun because it's going to be taking a lot of disparate elements from the novel Hannibal Rising and the novel Hannibal and mashing them up together as part of the thrust of the season. It's going to be fun to bastardize two novels into one sort of Frankenstein season. I will brace everybody right now: We're significantly changing the Hannibal origin story from Hannibal Rising.

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    You originally had mapped out certain seasons to follow certain books. Is that still your plan, or have you abandoned that timeline?
    Fuller: The books won't necessarily be in sequential order. We'll be hitting elements of each of them except Silence of the Lambs in the next season. My hope is that not only do we have a completely different Hannibal Lecter story in Season 3, but we will meet some of those great characters like Francis Dolarhyde and Lady Murasaki and weave them into the world in a unique way.

    Do you know when the show will be back or when you'll go back into production?
    Fuller: We're having that meeting Tuesday. I'm hoping we start production a little later this year because we had very few weeks in the writers' room before cameras started rolling, and it was hard to keep up. I'm hoping we have a little bit more time in the writers' room. Because this season is so different and it is such a departure structurally from what we've been doing in the first two seasons, I want to make sure we've thought it through very well.

    What parts of the structure will change the most? The setting? The case-of-the-week format?
    Fuller: The basic structure revolving around the FBI will be less prominent in Season 3 — at least for the first half of the season.

    That doesn't sound good for Jack's survival! And Laurence Fishburne does recur on a new ABC sitcom.
    Fuller: Laurence is also a very busy man. One of the wonders of this season is: Will Alana survive and will Jack Crawford survive? Will Abigail Hobbs survive? Those are things that are going to be revealed very slowly at the beginning of Season 3.

    So, when you said before that somebody doesn't make it, you were including Abigail in that? I assumed she was already gone.
    Fuller: I'm speaking of everybody in that house that was dying. And it doesn't just mean that only one person could be dead.

    Dam he talking about a total reboot.
  • S.jR.
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    First the obligatory...

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    TheBossman wrote: »
    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Hannibal-Season2-Finale-Postmortem-Bryan-Fuller-1082245.aspx

    Bryan Fuller: I knew that I wanted to have Hannibal lay waste to the remaining cast and then drop the mic and leave the stage. [Laughs]

    Not only did he drop the muthafuckin mic, he TKO'ed 4 people in 1 house, all before the police arrived.

    I've always said... I love it when the bad guy wins. But this Charlie Sheen winning on a whole nother level.

    ? he stood over this ? in the rain and enjoyed the moment.... LMAO!

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    And put on his coat and left scene like he heading out to dinner.
  • S.jR.
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    Hannibal to Will be like.. This could be us...

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    But you ain't realize this ain't Checkers... It's Chess..
  • S.jR.
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    The imagery... Can this at least get an Emmy nod... damn.

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  • S.jR.
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    In a industry full of "well intention" leads that are technically the "bad guy/law breaker"... Hannibal doesn't mean well he's just evil and it's fun to root for him. No matter how much he should be stopped.
  • Broddie
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    http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/24/hannibal-bryan-fuller-on-season-2s-shocking-end-and-big-changes-in-season-3?page=1
    marc123 wrote: »
    lol. I didnt even know there was a post credits scene.

    ? awesome

    That was the best scene. Besides Hannibal non nonchalantly slicing up Abigail's throat in front of Will.

    If this was the series finally I'd say everybody's dead but like Fuller implies in that interview I linked to Will and Jack specifically were given injuries they could survive. Will was basically given the same wound Lecter gave him from the Red Dragon novel just earlier than expected. Even Alana could end up being just a ? . Next season is going to be something else. Can't wait to see that first episode already.

    Why are people so anxious for this to get Emmy recognition?

    Awards ain't ? but politics. This show is already better than most shows that have ever won emmy's. If the sheep like masses can't comprehend what a great show this is without having an award show bandwagon force the hype on to them it's their loss.
  • young_belvi
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    I find it amazing how much of my ? Bedelia (Gillian Anderson's character) could get.
  • loch121
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    Great finale

    I think them not knowing if they'd get another season is why they made it so off the hook

    Did they actually show old girl who got thrown from the window dead?

    Crazy that Abigail popped in my head for a second during this ep and I wondered if she was really dead them "BOOM"

    Will isn't dead and Jack isn't either so next season should be crazy with them hunting Hannibal

    Glad NBC decided not to cancel it

    It's just as good as Dexter's 1st 4 seasons so far IMO



  • young_belvi
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    *Future voice* All them people leaking and ain't nobody poppin up dead at the beginning of Season 3? I disagree, it'd be to much of a cop out if all 4 of them lived and Hannibal got away. The writers are better than that. I think Jack is dead, Will lives, and the two chicks are a toss up.
  • Broddie
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    Abigail is definitively dead. The other 3 aren't. We have to wait for next year to see where they go with what happened once the cops arrived. The difference between Jack, Will and Alana is that they still have roles that they could serve in the story going forward. Abigail does not. She's already served her purpose so she's definitely a goner.