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Complex magazine "How illmatic ruined hip hop"

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  • Swiffness!Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Illmatic did have one terrible lasting impact: It gave rise to the idea that rap albums would be better served with multiple producers."

    really?



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  • Go figureGo figure Sion the GoPosts: 4,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    read through the article and to a degree i somewhat agree

    i made the argument a few times about how current hip-hop tries to copy that next hot sound making everyone sound the same. back in the 90s was different because u had a lot of groups and artist with their own sound cuz they stuck to one or two main producers.

    wu-tang had rza, bone had dj u-neek and eazy, dmx had swizz beatz, cam had mostly the same producers on confessions of fire, big tymers had mannie fresh, outkast used 1 or 2 on atliens, dre did all his own beats, etc.

    the shit worked wonders and made some classic albums when done correctly but if the hottest producer out is over saturating the game with today's 'hottest trending sounds' more people jump the bandwagon and everything starts to sound the same, making the genre seem more generic, less genuine.

    u cant blame nas tho, it was the growing popularity of rap and internet accessibility that caused this shit if anything. anyone with talent and connections is gonna try to capitalize regardless.
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  • AZTGAZTG Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Smh yo. Complex busy trying to tear illmatic down.
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  • GunTownGunTown Posts: 3,489
    edited January 2014
    It's Nas best album and is a classic only because of it's influence on technical lyricisim and complex technical rhyming


    But musically i have always found it boring and bland i don't enjoy the album at all musically it doesn't have replay value for me so i do agree with what they are saying

    That's pretty much how i feel about all of Nas music, he can rap and is technically a sound rappr but i find his music boring and unappealing i respect he can spit but i feel his music is not good and is dull
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  • choppa_stylechoppa_style Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭✭
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    They didn't say anything negative about Illmatic. The point was just that it started a trend that led to less cohesive sounding albums, which I think is a valid point. Compare Dre's Dre 2001 to Xzibit's Restless. Don't you think 2001 has a more singular sound?
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    Word. That's like XXL saying Dark Side of the Moon ruined rock by incorporating a cohesive concept that couldn't be duplicated. Ol sayin shit cuz it sounds cool ass niggas.

    I don't think that's an accurate analogy at all. The title is overly dramatic, but the content of the article doesn't say the genre was ruined. It even says it's one of the greatest rap albums ever in the subtitle.
  • lamontbdclamontbdc 16th & UPosts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tf is complex talking bout
  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Posts: 10,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bunch of professional idiots.
    Hip-Hop is still America's favorite step child.
    In The 90's shit was at its peak still fresh.
    Now it seems to the point where people are more critical.
    I would compare it to hiring new workers and expecting them to be on the level of someone wit 30 years experience.
    I feel the powers that be get a kick out this sh#t!
    We got less talented rappers, with less resources then get mad when their shit come out wack.
    We got less experienced rappers and refuse to let old school leaders help mold the future generations.
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  • choppa_stylechoppa_style Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭✭
    Clearly none of you'all even read the article.
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  • 5th Letter5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Posts: 37,068 Regulator
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    They didn't say anything negative about Illmatic. The point was just that it started a trend that led to less cohesive sounding albums, which I think is a valid point. Compare Dre's Dre 2001 to Xzibit's Restless. Don't you think 2001 has a more singular sound?
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    Word. That's like XXL saying Dark Side of the Moon ruined rock by incorporating a cohesive concept that couldn't be duplicated. Ol sayin shit cuz it sounds cool ass niggas.

    I don't think that's an accurate analogy at all. The title is overly dramatic, but the content of the article doesn't say the genre was ruined. It even says it's one of the greatest rap albums ever in the subtitle.

    "Illmatic ruined hip hop" sounds negative to me. The point is that it's not cool for these crackas to tear down one of the best albums in hip hop regardless of whatever logic they want to use.
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  • dc's teflondondc's teflondon Posts: 5,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wale is going to call them and cry about it
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  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    They didn't say anything negative about Illmatic. The point was just that it started a trend that led to less cohesive sounding albums, which I think is a valid point. Compare Dre's Dre 2001 to Xzibit's Restless. Don't you think 2001 has a more singular sound?
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    Word. That's like XXL saying Dark Side of the Moon ruined rock by incorporating a cohesive concept that couldn't be duplicated. Ol sayin shit cuz it sounds cool ass niggas.

    I don't think that's an accurate analogy at all. The title is overly dramatic, but the content of the article doesn't say the genre was ruined. It even says it's one of the greatest rap albums ever in the subtitle.

    That's what I mean. It's not that they negatively critiqued it, everyone has an opinion. It's that they were wrong on all accounts. It's basically a backhanded way of saying hip hop doesn't know the potential of our own culture cuz others couldn't duplicate Illmatic. Of all the reasons hip hop is "ruined", from the labels, to the DJ getting shut out, to even magazines like themselves... Illmatic? Plus they're not a hip hop magazine anyway, so there's even less credibility in that statement.
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  • rapmusicrapmusic Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dumb ass article by a dumb ass magazine
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  • choppa_stylechoppa_style Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭✭
    5th Letter wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    They didn't say anything negative about Illmatic. The point was just that it started a trend that led to less cohesive sounding albums, which I think is a valid point. Compare Dre's Dre 2001 to Xzibit's Restless. Don't you think 2001 has a more singular sound?
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    Word. That's like XXL saying Dark Side of the Moon ruined rock by incorporating a cohesive concept that couldn't be duplicated. Ol sayin shit cuz it sounds cool ass niggas.

    I don't think that's an accurate analogy at all. The title is overly dramatic, but the content of the article doesn't say the genre was ruined. It even says it's one of the greatest rap albums ever in the subtitle.

    "Illmatic ruined hip hop" sounds negative to me. The point is that it's not cool for these crackas to tear down one of the best albums in hip hop regardless of whatever logic they want to use.

    Well based on this quote from the actual article it doesn't sound like that's the point at all, but if that's how you're reading it then it's cool.
    complex wrote:
    First and foremost, no one is saying that Nas' Illmatic is in any way, shape, or form wack. It’s probably the greatest rap album of all time. It set the gold standard for every album after it. It’s just a phenomenal piece of art. Point blank period. With that being said...

    Illmatic did have one terrible lasting impact: It gave rise to the idea that rap albums would be better served with multiple producers. That lead to an overall decline in the cohesion and quality of rap albums and ushered in the era of superproducers.
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    They didn't say anything negative about Illmatic. The point was just that it started a trend that led to less cohesive sounding albums, which I think is a valid point. Compare Dre's Dre 2001 to Xzibit's Restless. Don't you think 2001 has a more singular sound?
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    did yall even read the article?


    it was a valid viewpoint; the headline is overly dramatic.
    Actually the article does have a point and it's something that I've thought myself for a long time.

    Nah fuck that. Is Rolling Stones magazine writing articles about why (classic rock album) ruined rock music? Illmatic is one of the most celebrated pieces of work in hip hop history and these hipsters aren't gonna trash it just for the sake of cheap headlines.

    Word. That's like XXL saying Dark Side of the Moon ruined rock by incorporating a cohesive concept that couldn't be duplicated. Ol sayin shit cuz it sounds cool ass niggas.

    I don't think that's an accurate analogy at all. The title is overly dramatic, but the content of the article doesn't say the genre was ruined. It even says it's one of the greatest rap albums ever in the subtitle.

    That's what I mean. It's not that they negatively critiqued it, everyone has an opinion. It's that they were wrong on all accounts. It's basically a backhanded way of saying hip hop doesn't know the potential of our own culture cuz others couldn't duplicate Illmatic. Of all the reasons hip hop is "ruined", from the labels, to the DJ getting shut out, to even magazines like themselves... Illmatic? Plus they're not a hip hop magazine anyway, so there's even less credibility in that statement.

    You lost me dude. The article is saying that other rappers tried to copy the Illmatic formula which led to less cohesive sounding albums. Where are you getting the notion that it's saying the culture didn't reach its potential because of rappers failing to duplicate Illmatic?
  • Mr.LVMr.LV Posts: 14,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Fuck Complex. Heres a dope gif

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    Thats Naomi from WWE...ass looks juicier than four Strawbursts mashed together.
    Sadly she just got married

    Her ass something else when she wrestle at Barclay's center in TLC 2012 good gawddd.

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  • I thought they were just stirring controversy for page views, but then I read the article and it's a fairly cohesive argument.

    However, I think this is all a moot point in 2014 because most music is single/one downloadable track at a time driven rather than album driven anyway.
  • real_hh_repreal_hh_rep Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭
    This article is full of shit. Complex proved they totally ran out of ideas again.
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  • 5th Letter5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Posts: 37,068 Regulator
    It ruined hip hop because it had multiple producers. I get the gist of their point. I just think it's bullshit.
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  • Mister B.Mister B. Still the Devil's #1 Advocate. Come on out that box! Posts: 16,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Get this article 300% the fuck out of here.
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Posts: 10,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    which big names tried to copy the style?
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  • themadlionsfanthemadlionsfan Posts: 9,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didn't even bother reading this bullshit.....I expect trolling from posters....to a certain extent even artists....but for "professional publication" to come up with some left field argument to disgrace a classic album just to get views is shameful.....we should flood their shit
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