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Complex magazine "How illmatic ruined hip hop"

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  • nycest_1nycest_1 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this is actually a very true article with a sensationalistic title
    illmatic could be seen as the first album where producers started thinking they were more important than the artist
    "scust", "uoeno" "iont" "outchea" and "talmbout" are faggot words
    seriously, when you type like an ignorant nigga your chances of being something offline are nil
  • nycest_1nycest_1 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Someone made a gd point that they gave no examples of a bad album with multi producers

    you missed the point. the point was that after this albums became a formula.
    that "gotta have a kanye" mentality means albums lost individual artists sounds
    instead the game became a series of plug n play artists on a rotation of beats from whoever the "it" producer is with the "it" r&b singer and featuring the "it" rappers of the moment
    "scust", "uoeno" "iont" "outchea" and "talmbout" are faggot words
    seriously, when you type like an ignorant nigga your chances of being something offline are nil
  • 5th Letter5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Posts: 37,068 Regulator
    nycest_1 wrote: »
    this is actually a very true article with a sensationalistic title
    illmatic could be seen as the first album where producers started thinking they were more important than the artist
    I think the bold started around the early 00's.
    Fuck who's the baddest a persons status depends on salary
    That buck that bought that bottle could have struck the lotto
    Soloman_The_Wiseericb4prez
  • ericb4prezericb4prez Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These niggaz contradict themselves in the first paragraph
    Soloman_The_Wisemiamivice305FatterThanKat
  • FatterThanKatFatterThanKat Posts: 677
    edited February 2014
    Did illmatic really start this trend though?
  • GhostdenithegawdGhostdenithegawd Up from da 36 chambers HarlemPosts: 16,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GunTown wrote: »
    It's Nas best album and is a classic only because of it's influence on technical lyricisim and complex technical rhyming


    But musically i have always found it boring and bland i don't enjoy the album at all musically it doesn't have replay value for me so i do agree with what they are saying

    That's pretty much how i feel about all of Nas music, he can rap and is technically a sound rappr but i find his music boring and unappealing i respect he can spit but i feel his music is not good and is dull



    you are easily becoming one the worst posters on this board by far
    Soloman_The_Wisemiamivice305goldenja
  • GunTown wrote: »
    It's Nas best album and is a classic only because of it's influence on technical lyricisim and complex technical rhyming


    But musically i have always found it boring and bland i don't enjoy the album at all musically it doesn't have replay value for me so i do agree with what they are saying

    That's pretty much how i feel about all of Nas music, he can rap and is technically a sound rappr but i find his music boring and unappealing i respect he can spit but i feel his music is not good and is dull



    you are easily becoming one the worst posters on this board by far

    fixed for accuracy
    Built 4 cuban linxmiamivice305goldenjaGhostdenithegawd
  • nycest_1nycest_1 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5th Letter wrote: »
    nycest_1 wrote: »
    this is actually a very true article with a sensationalistic title
    illmatic could be seen as the first album where producers started thinking they were more important than the artist
    I think the bold started around the early 00's.
    pre 00s neptunes were getting shout outs on beats.
    swizz said his name on all the ruff ryder hits (keep in mind this is around the early 00s so its not contradicting your statement in any way)
    but prior to the producer name shout out the mid 90s had the producer for hire shit working
    premo was on everyones shit mid 90s giving that gangstar sound out
    diddy had his team locked but they started leaking out.
    but by the end of the 90s it was mos def the producers getting features like the artists
    "scust", "uoeno" "iont" "outchea" and "talmbout" are faggot words
    seriously, when you type like an ignorant nigga your chances of being something offline are nil
  • S2JS2J Posts: 28,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate how they clearly made that headline for shock value smh

    But i must begrudgingly admit...they are right in the point they're making

    Look no further than Jay z, who seems to be intent on doing shyt the hard way.

    BP-Kanye, Jus, Bink...RD-Ski, Jaz, American gangster-Hit Men

    vs the scattered shyt like BP2, KC, etc

    And that intensifies with LESSER artists.

    Since i think we can agree artists these days arent as good as before, they would all atleast sound better w/ production tht caters to their skill set. I.e. Dip Set and Heatmakerz
  • SnuffDaddySnuffDaddy Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2014
    S2J wrote: »
    I hate how they clearly made that headline for shock value smh

    But i must begrudgingly admit...they are right in the point they're making

    Look no further than Jay z, who seems to be intent on doing shyt the hard way.

    BP-Kanye, Jus, Bink...RD-Ski, Jaz, American gangster-Hit Men

    vs the scattered shyt like BP2, KC, etc

    And that intensifies with LESSER artists.

    Since i think we can agree artists these days arent as good as before, they would all atleast sound better w/ production tht caters to their skill set. I.e. Dip Set and Heatmakerz

    @ bolded, i already knew that before even reading.

    As far as your Jay-Z reference....ehh.

    Blueprint only had 4 out of the 13 songs (5 if you count 1 of the bonus songs) prod. by Kanye.

    Ski only had 4 out of the 14 produced songs.

    So Jay-Z been on that wagon, even if it was after Illmatic.

    Tape Deck

    "Get Down (Q-Tip Remix) " [Craig Mack, '94]
    "It Ain't Pt. 2" [Scarface, '00]

    cnn
    beanie the truth
    group home
    freddie foxx
    gang starr
    what a shame royal flush
    sticky fingaz/onyx
    scarface
    mop
    goodie mob angelic war
    fat joe the hidden hand
    freddie foxxx so tough
    dead prez turn off the radio
    az betcha dont know
    az beanie sigel thats real
    next friday soundtrack (pharaoe monch, isley brothers, wyclef, ja rule, eminem, krayzie bone, big tymers etc)
    craig mack jockin my style
    cormega love is love
    cypress hill 16 men
    luniz so much drama
    wc daz blam blam
    50 cent glow of a thug
    az just because
    bone thugs pod
    bone thugs sweet jane
    fat joe success
    lox life shit
    de la soul trying people
    the lox living off eXperience OX “Living Off eXperience
    ll cool j ill bomb
    method man redman da rockwilder
    poor righteous teachers my three wives
    bg i know
    terror squad rudeboy salute
    lox
    shyne
    lox thumbs up

    Trick Daddy
    Dr Dre ft Eminem
    Nas Reach Out
    JayZ Hey Papi


    Outkast
    Big Boi
    Eastsidaz Pussy Sells/Life Goes On
    trick daddy
    nore thugs r us
    mop my nigga hill figga
    the murderers we gettin high/murderers
    memphis bleek
    jayz change the game
    gang starr
    mop
    heavy d
    prodigy
  • SnuffDaddySnuffDaddy Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2014
    But Ruff Ryders along with Bad Boy etc. kinda brought that old school flavor back, no?

    I mean Swizz produced practically the whole "Flesh Of My Fleshh", "We Are The Streets", "Ryde Or Die Vol. 1" as well as Drag-On & Eve's debut joint.

    But for some reason it wasnt a "trend" that stuck, even with the success. That 1 producer shit can get really real bad if its bad tho & i think thats the worry. Cuz that was one thing that was bad about some of them Ruff Ryders joint. Swizz made some simple beats that worked sometimes but alot of the times didnt work (esp. on Drag-On's joint as well as some songs on Eve's first joint).

    Cuz IMO it worked perfectly on an album like "The War Report" (CNN).

    Should've continued to let Grease & Gotti only produced full X albums since he had a Ruff Ryders management deal.

    See if already have a in-house producer then it's cool cuz you got chemistry & both know each other as artists. Thing is most artists dont come up with producers. Its really no team thing at all either. So it's easier said than done.

    Cuz Havoc can produce for Prodigy since they're a group and know each other and came up with each other. But it's harder for a solo act to just find 1 producer to do a whole joint with.

    Building with producers, finding chemistry & reports take a looong while, soo..
    Tape Deck

    "Get Down (Q-Tip Remix) " [Craig Mack, '94]
    "It Ain't Pt. 2" [Scarface, '00]

    cnn
    beanie the truth
    group home
    freddie foxx
    gang starr
    what a shame royal flush
    sticky fingaz/onyx
    scarface
    mop
    goodie mob angelic war
    fat joe the hidden hand
    freddie foxxx so tough
    dead prez turn off the radio
    az betcha dont know
    az beanie sigel thats real
    next friday soundtrack (pharaoe monch, isley brothers, wyclef, ja rule, eminem, krayzie bone, big tymers etc)
    craig mack jockin my style
    cormega love is love
    cypress hill 16 men
    luniz so much drama
    wc daz blam blam
    50 cent glow of a thug
    az just because
    bone thugs pod
    bone thugs sweet jane
    fat joe success
    lox life shit
    de la soul trying people
    the lox living off eXperience OX “Living Off eXperience
    ll cool j ill bomb
    method man redman da rockwilder
    poor righteous teachers my three wives
    bg i know
    terror squad rudeboy salute
    lox
    shyne
    lox thumbs up

    Trick Daddy
    Dr Dre ft Eminem
    Nas Reach Out
    JayZ Hey Papi


    Outkast
    Big Boi
    Eastsidaz Pussy Sells/Life Goes On
    trick daddy
    nore thugs r us
    mop my nigga hill figga
    the murderers we gettin high/murderers
    memphis bleek
    jayz change the game
    gang starr
    mop
    heavy d
    prodigy
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