Video: So You Want To Play Poker For A Living? – Man Suffers Brutal Defeat, Shows Every Emotion

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  • bbkg79
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    DEAD! I thought I was the only one that heard this. Yo that is the illest quote ever, that announcer is nuts dead wrong for that lmao Im bout to have a heartattack lmao
    "i'm supprised he's not slumped over into his chair in a state of unconsciousness until 2017!"

  • Trollio
    Trollio Members Posts: 25,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    bahahahahahaha
  • UPTOWN
    UPTOWN Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 13,009 Regulator
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    i dont know ? about poker but the very minimum to play with a group of ppl

    how much did he lose??

    im assuming he thought there was a very slim chance that the queen would be drawn but it was??

    it looked like the screen said he stood to win 600k but lost 28k
  • AZTG
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    Wow. You could tell he lost a few years off his life span in a matter of minutes
  • MillzOG
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    Du_Du wrote: »
    Du_Du wrote: »
    ? had the chance to eliminate a player with what looked like barely an 8th of his chip stack.....

    he damn near had to call....

    and we didn't see how much he bet all hand long....he prolly was ? comitted

    Let me find out you play DU. Did you play the IC poker games with us?

    i think i played a few tournaments....

    me seeds and wall were taking that ? seriously as ? ...

    i shut down the entire gns and donkey one night and held them ransom until more people joined our game

    Word did you just omit a real ? who was dominating ya ? b?
  • Shizlansky
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    That look on his face made me uncomfortable.

    I can't imagine how that ? made him feel.

    That's why I don't gamble anything above $20 on ? I can't decide 100% on my own

    Poker is a skill but it's still luck of the draw.

  • Darth Sidious
    Darth Sidious Members Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's the difference between a cal state chico dropout and a harvard grad.

    For the record, there is an astounding amount of skill required to play poker at this level. Luck has very little to do with it. The luck aspect is mitigated by managing risk and reward.

  • Max.
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    Dude prolly comes from a rich family ^^^
  • Max.
    Max. Members Posts: 33,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    <<<Not u the dude that lost>>
  • Neophyte Wolfgang
    Neophyte Wolfgang Members Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I been playing poker for 13 years, I use to think it was mostly skill, but that is what the pros claim to sell their books and subconsciously have you play there style of poker. That is why new players and internet players coming in because they are turning the game upside down and doing things these pros deemed as bad poker play. There is skill involved, but the other half is luck. Dude made a suspect call
  • Darth Sidious
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    Internet Poker has been taking over by Bots. I haven't followed this but did hear about it a while ago. I am not sure if they have been able to stop them but here is a story from 2011. I would never play internet poker. I am sure the bots have only gotten better.

    You might think Luck is the most important component of Poker but it's really MATH.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/science/14poker.html?_r=0

    Poker Bots Invade Online Gambling

    Bryan Taylor, 36, could not shake the feeling that something funny was going on. Three of his most frequent opponents on an online poker site were acting oddly, playing in ways that were so similar it was suspicious.

    Mr. Taylor, who started playing poker professionally in 2008, suspected that he was competing against computers — specifically bots, short for robots — that had been programmed to play poker and beat the odds.

    And he was right. After an investigation, the site Mr. Taylor frequented, PokerStars, determined that his opponents had been computers masquerading as people and shut them down.


    Poker bots are not new, but until recently they were not very good. Humans were better at the nuances of the game — at bluffing, for instance — and could routinely beat the machines. But artificial intelligence has come a long way in the last few years, far enough that poker bots are now good enough to win tens of thousands of dollars on major game sites, which are clamping down on them.

    The bots that Mr. Taylor identified on PokerStars were shut down in July. In October, another large poker site, Full Tilt, informed customers that it had taken action to limit the proliferation of bots, including freezing some accounts. (Internet gambling is illegal in the United States, but online casinos operate offshore.)

    PokerStars is continuing to invest substantial resources to combat bots,” Michael Josem, a security manager at the site, said in an interview conducted via e-mail. “When a player is identified as a bot, PokerStars removes them from our games as soon as possible.” Their winnings are confiscated, he said, and the company will “provide compensation to players when appropriate.”

    Yet poker bots are openly for sale online. Shanky Technologies sells licenses for the Holdem Poker Bot — the target of Full Tilt’s crackdown in October — for $129 per year. Brian Jetter, a co-founder of Shanky, said in an e-mail interview that more than 400 of his customers had been banned from Full Tilt. (Full Tilt did not respond to requests for comment.)

    Mr. Jetter said that Full Tilt had seized more than $50,000 of his customers’ money, a figure that he called a “conservative estimate.” He added that the gaming site was forgoing at least $70,000 per month in revenue by shutting down his customers’ bots.

    “They really must have wanted us gone,” Mr. Jetter said. “We don’t think the other poker rooms we support will make a similar financial decision.”

    According to the Web site PokerScout.com, which bills itself as an Internet poker clearinghouse, there are more than 600 Web sites where people can play online. Mr. Jetter says that while Shanky does not have any “official relationships with the poker rooms,” some of them look the other way when bots play.

    The science of poker bots is still in its infancy, which may be one reason that some gambling sites do not ? down on them. Unlike Watson, the I.B.M. computer that won on “Jeopardy!,” poker bots are not stellar players. But they are getting better, thanks to advances in the way computer scientists program software to play games.

    “The large majority of bots are very bad,” said Darse Billings, a consultant to PokerStars and Full Tilt and the former chief of data analytics at Full Tilt. “More than 90 percent are losing money.”

    It turns out to be a lot easier to build a perfect chess player than a poker whiz. Chess is a perfect information game: if you look at a chessboard, you know the exact state of the game from both players’ perspectives. And the rules of the game are not affected by chance, like the drawing of a card.

    But in poker, an imperfect information game, there are many unknown variables. A player does not know his opponents’ cards and may not know their style of play — how aggressive they tend to be, for instance, or how often they bluff.

    Unlike a chess bot, a poker bot does most of its work before the match, running millions of simulations before the first card is dealt. But even with the large amounts of memory available with today’s computers, storing — or even computing — information for every possible scenario would be implausible.

    The best poker bots in the world include those from the University of Alberta Computer Poker Research Group, which is nearly 20 years old. Professor Michael Bowling, who has led the group since 2005, says the breakthrough came in 2003, when researchers decided to change their approach, shifting away from the methodology used to build chess bots.

    In 2006, the inaugural Annual Computer Poker Competition created more interest in poker-playing computers and established a friendly rivalry between the University of Alberta and Professor Tuomas W. Sandholm’s poker research group at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh.

    Today, Professor Sandholm said, poker bots “can rival good players, but not the best — yet.”

    Many of the poker bots available on the Internet were built by programmers as a personal exercise or hobby. Some buyers think they can make money with the bots, but others use them in intellectual exercises, Mr. Jetter said. Buyers can program their bots to use different decision-making strategies in various circumstances, and then observe which outcomes are more successful when applied in real-world games.

    “Using a poker bot is in fact a natural extension of the game of online poker,” said Mr. Jetter, who added that Shanky has sold 5,000 copies of its Holdem Bot software since it was introduced in early 2008. “Creating your own playing profile is a fun challenge that many players enjoy.”

    That argument does not go over well at sites like PokerStars. Last year, after it was tipped off by Mr. Taylor, the company found 10 bots and returned more than $57,000 to players who had lost money to them.

    The poker bots’ arrival may be just another sign of an emerging world where humans, knowingly or unknowingly, encounter robots on an everyday basis. People already talk with computers when they call customer service centers or drive their cars.

    As for Mr. Taylor, his cleverness in spotting bots won him a job. He now works full time for PokerStars, where “he is helping to protect the integrity of our games,” Mr. Josem said.

    And so the human wins — this time.
  • Neophyte Wolfgang
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    There is math its 50 percent it gonna happen 50 percent its not. Ask Hellmuth lmao
  • Darth Sidious
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    I Am Jay ? wrote: »
    There is math its 50 percent it gonna happen 50 percent its not. Ask Hellmuth lmao

    Bruh, Top Poker players in the world.

    http://www.pokernews.com/global-poker-index/

    There is a reason why they are at the top year after year.

    Daniel Negreanu - Winnings $20,918,950

    Intro

    Daniel Negreanu was born in Toronto, Ontario, Canada in 1974. He started playing poker when he was 21 years old and has been doing it ever since. He is widely considered to be one of the best players in the world as his title collection features 5 WSOP bracelets, 2 WTP titles and numerous cashes in the world's major poker events. Negreanu is also a member of Team PokerStars pro, an author and a co-author of some of the most popular poker books including Hold’em Wisdom for All Players and Doyle Brunson’s Super/System II.

    Background

    The native of Toronto, Canada, Negreanu got his start in gambling as a young teenager hanging out in pool halls, hustling, betting on sports, and also playing cards. With the encouragement of his parents to always chase his dreams, Daniel decided school just wasn’t in the cards for him. He left high school just one credit short of graduation to focus on poker.

    After cleaning up around town, Negreanu decided to head out to Las Vegas at the age of 21. You might think that was all she wrote, but it wasn’t that easy. Daniel only lasted in Vegas for several months before having to return home to Toronto. After taking some time to re-establish his bankroll, it was time to take another shot at it. He may have been broke, but his dreams weren’t shattered just yet.

    World Series of Poker

    In 1998, at the age of 23, Negreanu entered his first World Series of Poker and became the youngest WSOP champion ever after winning the $2,000 ? -Limit Hold’em Event. Negreanu kept the title of youngest champion until 2004. He was then named the player of the year at the 2004 WSOP after he took home another bracelet and netted multiple other cashes.

    In 2008 Negreanu added a fourth WSOP bracelet to his collection and came just short of his fifth the very next year by scoring one runner-up finish in Vegas and then another one in London at the WSOP Europe. Negreanu stepped down to Barry Shulman in the English capital for the Main Event title collecting a cash prize of almost half a million pounds.

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