Lebron say's "Im going to be 1 of the top 4 thats ever played this game"
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Hell yea, he rightLook, point blank period, Lebron's supporting cast on the cavs was worse than any championship team in recent memory. (20+ years)
That is inarguable.
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Hell yea, he rightits....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
So 27 pt triple double aint good enough for A superstar with "Talented role players"?that's what he had in that game in Game 6 against Boston when He supposedly Disappeared..and The Year before that Against Orlando he averaged 35 8 and 8 the whole series and they still lost..that should tell you everything you need to know about how talented his supporting cast was..
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Cant call it right nowericb4prez wrote: »TrillRussell wrote: »It doesn't matter why they were a good team...they were one
You're failing to understand his point, LeBron was the centerpiece of a team built around him
Of course they got worst
The Bulls were built around Jordan too...But in '94 when he retired The Bulls won 55 games,Were A contender and were still 1 piece away from winning another championship without him..The Cavs without Lebron were the Worst team in Basketball..
Excellent point and comparison.
The Bulls supporting cast consisted of one of the best defenders in history, the best rebounder in the league, the best foreigner in the league, the best 3 point shooter in the league, and the best coach in history.
Compare that to mo williams if you want lmaooooo
If your going to piggyback his post at least know rodman wasn't on the squad lol
So rodman was never on the bulls?????? Wtf are you saying bruh
He wasn't on the team the first time Jordan retired -
Cant call it right nowTrillRussell wrote: »ericb4prez wrote: »WTrillRussell wrote: »ericb4prez wrote: »And they won jus as many rings without Jordan as we did without bron
Point is..Just because A team is built around A player doesn't mean they are excused to be ass without him..Lebron was the cavs..period..If they were A #1 seeded team and A contender with him they should've at least been able to compete for A playoff spot without him if his supporting cast was as good as y'all are saying it was..Mo Williams was still there..He was supposed to be the Scottie Pippen to his Mj right?lol
Yall acting like we didnt blow the team up after bron left in the summer and mo played 36 games before we flipped him for kyrie ... and as a bull pip avg 17 5 6 as a cav mo avg 16 5 3 so he was giving bron everything pip was giving mj minus some boards and being able to help him guard other SF
Ok then so he should've been able to carry the Cavs to the Playoffs like Pippen Carried The Bulls in '94 when MJ left...Most of the pieces were still there..
when bron left we got rid of our best pieces, Z left with bron, delonte got traded and shaq bounced only ? on the team left with any talent was Jamison and Andy... and we traded mo 36 games into the season he never had a chance to take us to the playoffs but you prolly think he played all 82
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Cant call it right nowTrillRussell wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
So 27 pt triple double aint good enough for A superstar with "Talented role players"?that's what he had in that game in Game 6 against Boston when He supposedly Disappeared..and The Year before that Against Orlando he averaged 35 8 and 8 the whole series and they still lost..that should tell you everything you need to know about how talented his supporting cast was..
The big 3 was that damn good and pierce would cancel out whatever bron did with similar production and the only reason we lost to Orlando was Dwight that's why we got shaq -
Cant call it right nowits....JOHN B wrote: »When the Cavs finished 61-21 with the best record in the NBA and favorites to come out of the east nobody was saying "Bron doesn't have any help", but as soon as he choked the excuses came flying
Was that the same year pierce out hustled bron to that loose ball that eventually turned the tide of the game and series -
Hell yea, he rightits....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
Dirk also languished as a perceived underachiever for about 5 of his at the time 13 seasons and never got the respect he deserved (still doesn't). It took a perfect storm of the Lakers declining, him having a MVP caliber season, The Heat expending all their energy in the Boston series, and having one of the hottest shooting benches in NBA playoff history to get to that ONE ring.
That was a fluke ring if I ever saw one.
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lol @ fluke ring
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Hell yea, he rightlol @ fluke ring
Maybe fluke is a strong word...but that 2011 ring was mostly a result of catching teams at bad times and the role players playing improbably well, many of them putting up numbers that they never or rarely had put up before. Kudos to Dallas for capitalizing, but IMO its why no one predicted Dallas to do it again and this is even before they blew the team up.
The point is, winning without a consistently great team (which no GOAT level player has done mind you) is extremely hard to do and unlikely circumstances along with great play has to occur most times to do it. Thats why I don't think Lebron deserves all the criticism for taking his destiny into his own hands.
The most criticism people could say about Lebron is that he got impatient, but I commend him for doing something about it versus "waiting" for the Cavs to figure out how to solve the problem.
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TrillRussell wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
So 27 pt triple double aint good enough for A superstar with "Talented role players"?that's what he had in that game in Game 6 against Boston when He supposedly Disappeared..and The Year before that Against Orlando he averaged 35 8 and 8 the whole series and they still lost..that should tell you everything you need to know about how talented his supporting cast was..
You referring to the game where he had almost a quadruple double with 9 to's?
Lebron played sloppy and had a shitload of costly to's
You can't possibly believe he played good enough to win that game
Only thing he did well on was crash the boards with 19 rebounds -
Hell yea, he rightKnives Amilli wrote: »lol @ fluke ring
Maybe fluke is a strong word...but that 2011 ring was mostly a result of catching teams at bad times and the role players playing improbably well, many of them putting up numbers that they never or rarely had put up before. Kudos to Dallas for capitalizing, but IMO its why no one predicted Dallas to do it again and this is even before they blew the team up.
The point is, winning without a consistently great team (which no GOAT level player has done mind you) is extremely hard to do and unlikely circumstances along with great play has to occur most times to do it. Thats why I don't think Lebron deserves all the criticism for taking his destiny into his own hands.
The most criticism people could say about Lebron is that he got impatient, but I commend him for doing something about it versus "waiting" for the Cavs to figure out how to solve the problem.
? because Dallas thought they was getting Dwight. They cut salary let Chandler walk. Cuban ? his self big time. -
Cant call it right nowTrillRussell wrote: »ericb4prez wrote: »WTrillRussell wrote: »ericb4prez wrote: »And they won jus as many rings without Jordan as we did without bron
Point is..Just because A team is built around A player doesn't mean they are excused to be ass without him..Lebron was the cavs..period..If they were A #1 seeded team and A contender with him they should've at least been able to compete for A playoff spot without him if his supporting cast was as good as y'all are saying it was..Mo Williams was still there..He was supposed to be the Scottie Pippen to his Mj right?lol
Yall acting like we didnt blow the team up after bron left in the summer and mo played 36 games before we flipped him for kyrie ... and as a bull pip avg 17 5 6 as a cav mo avg 16 5 3 so he was giving bron everything pip was giving mj minus some boards and being able to help him guard other SF
Ok then so he should've been able to carry the Cavs to the Playoffs like Pippen Carried The Bulls in '94 when MJ left...Most of the pieces were still there..
The better comparison would have been the team after the second 3 peat they lost MJ(bron) pippen(mo) Kerr(delonte) rodman(z and shaq) and fell off similar to the cavs we didn't jus lose 1 player -
Cant call it right nowprime_time_? wrote: »TrillRussell wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
So 27 pt triple double aint good enough for A superstar with "Talented role players"?that's what he had in that game in Game 6 against Boston when He supposedly Disappeared..and The Year before that Against Orlando he averaged 35 8 and 8 the whole series and they still lost..that should tell you everything you need to know about how talented his supporting cast was..
You referring to the game where he had almost a quadrple double with 9 to's?
Lebron played sloppy and had a shitload of costly to's
You can't possibly believe he played good enough to win that game
Only thing he did well on was crash the boards with 19 rebounds
? acting like bron played perfect basketball the whole time he was here, I remember vividly us making a comeback against boston down 3 on a break with bron and mo and bron pulls up for 3 while mo is wide open needless to say we lost that game -
Cant call it right nowTrillRussell wrote: »Y'all high off how Big Chris Bosh and Dwade's names are...but when you look at the production...Bosh getting Horace Grant numbers in the Finals..Wade Getting Typical sidekick numbers..Not to discredit them because the Heat wouldn't win without their presence...but Bosh and Wade's production don't back up "Superstar" help claims..they get the average numbers for 2nd and 3rd options..Lebron aint have no more help than any other championship winning Legend in League history..Don't be blinded by the names..check the production
What's funny about this is wade avg 15 5 5 bosh 12 7 1 ray 10 2 2 mo Williams avg 14 5 3 Jamison 15 7 1 shaq 11 5 1 so the production was the same in cleveland his last year
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Hell yea, he rightWhoisDonG??? wrote: »Knives Amilli wrote: »lol @ fluke ring
Maybe fluke is a strong word...but that 2011 ring was mostly a result of catching teams at bad times and the role players playing improbably well, many of them putting up numbers that they never or rarely had put up before. Kudos to Dallas for capitalizing, but IMO its why no one predicted Dallas to do it again and this is even before they blew the team up.
The point is, winning without a consistently great team (which no GOAT level player has done mind you) is extremely hard to do and unlikely circumstances along with great play has to occur most times to do it. Thats why I don't think Lebron deserves all the criticism for taking his destiny into his own hands.
The most criticism people could say about Lebron is that he got impatient, but I commend him for doing something about it versus "waiting" for the Cavs to figure out how to solve the problem.
? because Dallas thought they was getting Dwight. They cut salary let Chandler walk. Cuban ? his self big time.
You misunderstand me. The mavs weren't the fave to repeat even BEFORE Cuban blew the team up trying to get Howard.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/06/las_vegas_odds_makers_heat_fav.php
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Attention ?The Cavaliers teams were built for the regular season. They lived on the fast break, the 3 and athleticism. That ? does not translate to post season basketball. When the game slowed down, they got exposed...everybody including LeBron's suspect jumper. He wasn't the leader he would become and the players were good for what they excelled at - flashy basketball. Being top 5 in the NBA consistently does not translate to ? teammates, it means they were a good basketball team but not championship material. LeBron wasn't championship material until Dallas beat him.
Chris Bosh is the most important Heat player after LeBron, not Dwyane Wade. He is a superstar and hopefully he walks and goes to another squad so he can get the respect he deserves. He's an excellent power forward with a good attitude and strong skill-set that pulls big men out of the paint and lets his other guys do work. No rings for LeBron without Chris Bosh - PERIOD. -
ericb4prez wrote: »? gon downplay wades and bosh contributions to big up bron then over exaggerate Bynum and gasol presence to downplay Kobe lol I've seen it all
Gotdamn this is gospel
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Knives Amilli wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
Dirk also languished as a perceived underachiever for about 5 of his at the time 13 seasons and never got the respect he deserved (still doesn't). It took a perfect storm of the Lakers declining, him having a MVP caliber season, The Heat expending all their energy in the Boston series, and having one of the hottest shooting benches in NBA playoff history to get to that ONE ring.
That was a fluke ring if I ever saw one.
Lmao this right here is golden.
Trust me if you put that much thought into any season you would get similar results. -
Cant call it right nowKnives Amilli wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
Dirk also languished as a perceived underachiever for about 5 of his at the time 13 seasons and never got the respect he deserved (still doesn't). It took a perfect storm of the Lakers declining, him having a MVP caliber season, The Heat expending all their energy in the Boston series, and having one of the hottest shooting benches in NBA playoff history to get to that ONE ring.
That was a fluke ring if I ever saw one.
Lmao this right here is golden.
Trust me if you put that much thought into any season you would get similar results.
Exactly ? could say the same for the heat playin against a declining Boston team a young an inexperienced OKC team and D rose gettin hurt -
That interview was pretty good lebron was more candid than usual.I was also buggin wit my original post about who I think will be on there.The mt rushmore of nba players to me will be MJ,Kareem,Magic or Bird or Wilt and Lebron has a good chance of getting on there when his career is done
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Cant call it right nowKnives Amilli wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
Dirk also languished as a perceived underachiever for about 5 of his at the time 13 seasons and never got the respect he deserved (still doesn't). It took a perfect storm of the Lakers declining, him having a MVP caliber season, The Heat expending all their energy in the Boston series, and having one of the hottest shooting benches in NBA playoff history to get to that ONE ring.
That was a fluke ring if I ever saw one.
Ive done heard them all now, yea Miami must of been real exhausted from that "semifinals" series against Boston that ended in "5 games", oh you got the teams mixed up?? No they finished the Bulls in the eastern conference finals in 5 too, not one series went past 5 before the finals, yea Dallas really lucked out
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Cant call it right nowThere is no such thing as a fluke ring especially if its a team that came out the western conference and none of the games were blowouts so they couldn't have been more exhausted than Dallas
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Cant call it right nowLol Bron froze up. Couldn't figure out Dallas' zone defense. Became really passive. Wade was on his way to a 2nd Finals MVP had Bron done his part
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? acting like the league ever was competitive.
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ericb4prez wrote: »Knives Amilli wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »prime_time_? wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Cleveland didn't have another superstar but they had depth, they had size with Shaq who besides Dwight was putting up better numbers than any other center in the playoffs that year, Z and Varejao, they had Jamison and Mo still playing at a high level, they had good role players in Delonte, Hickson, Gibson, Moon and Parker, Cleveland had a good team im tired of people defending Bron with that excuse, like Cleveland didn't do anything to put a good team around him and wouldn't have continued to do that, no excuse to leave the franchise the way he did, it was Celtics time even if he teamed up with Wade that year they wouldn't have gotten through Boston
Dallas Mavericks 2011
1 great superstar with Dirk and a bunch of talented role players
That shows everybody you don't always need a hof caliber 2nd option to win a title
But I do think you do need one to build a dynasty
Co sign, the difference...Dirk dominated while Bron disapeared
Dirk also languished as a perceived underachiever for about 5 of his at the time 13 seasons and never got the respect he deserved (still doesn't). It took a perfect storm of the Lakers declining, him having a MVP caliber season, The Heat expending all their energy in the Boston series, and having one of the hottest shooting benches in NBA playoff history to get to that ONE ring.
That was a fluke ring if I ever saw one.
Lmao this right here is golden.
Trust me if you put that much thought into any season you would get similar results.
Exactly ? could say the same for the heat playin against a declining Boston team a young an inexperienced OKC team and D rose gettin hurt
The difference with this though is the Heat proved they could beat a healthy D. Rose led Bulls team
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