Batman vs. Captain America
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Captain AmericaCap is trill. He will handle bats ...the difference between cap and deathstroke is minimal, but I would take DS.
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New vids for those that want it since the old links don't work.
Part 1: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kgg6y_batman-vs-captain-america-part-1-efn_tech
Part 2: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kghst_batman-vs-captain-america-part-2-efn_tech
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DarkRaiden wrote: »Deathstroke is >>>>Cap though.
Based on? He might be more interesting, but what makes you think he's more physically capable?
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Deathstroke is >>>>Cap though.
Based on? He might be more interesting, but what makes you think he's more physically capable?
it's based on nothing, because DS physical stats don't trump Caps by any means -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Deathstroke is >>>>Cap though.
Based on? He might be more interesting, but what makes you think he's more physically capable?
Him beating Batman like he stole something. Him constantly whooping the teen titans, the justice league, Flash, etc. -
BatmanBatman has beaten deathstroke as well.
guess they can all beat eachother.
without the gagdets, shield and sword, Deathstroke takes both of em cause he can ? ....bat vs cap? Bat trained with ra, should have the techniquel egde on caps. -
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DarkRaiden wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Deathstroke is >>>>Cap though.
Based on? He might be more interesting, but what makes you think he's more physically capable?
Him beating Batman like he stole something. Him constantly whooping the teen titans, the justice league, Flash, etc.
lol Did you just use Deathstroke's wins over Batman as proof that Deathstroke is physically superior to Captain America in a topic where how Cap and Batman compare is being debated? Do I really have to explain the problem with that argument? -
BatmanDeathstroke has taken on the whole justice league, he will ? captain America up badly.
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Arguments like that are usually terrible. Spiderman has taken on a whole team of X-men before. That doesn't mean he'd be the favorite in a 1on1 vs Storm or Jean Gray and they were part of those battles. So even that argument would make more sense than saying what Deathstroke would do 1on1 vs Cap based on what he did to a team of completely different characters.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Deathstroke is >>>>Cap though.
Based on? He might be more interesting, but what makes you think he's more physically capable?
Him beating Batman like he stole something. Him constantly whooping the teen titans, the justice league, Flash, etc.
lol Did you just use Deathstroke's wins over Batman as proof that Deathstroke is physically superior to Captain America in a topic where how Cap and Batman compare is being debated? Do I really have to explain the problem with that argument?
Nah but clearly Batman and Cap have similar feats and stats and Deathstroke beating him SO BAD (not just that he won, but it wasn't close really) is a plus for him.
As for your other argument, Spidey did that pretty much once or twice (take teams like that), Deathstroke regularly does it till the point that it's consistent. Teen Titans, Outsiders, Justice League, Flash. At the very least he's much faster than Cap and Batman. -
Batman and Cap don't have similar stats. Batman is peak human. Cap is superhuman just like Deathstroke.
And that's the problem with your whole argument. You keep on grouping Batman and Cap together as if they are the same when they aren't. Argument about who would win aside, Cap is physically superior to Batman in every way just like Deathstroke is. It makes more sense to use the Cap and Deathstroke comparison to assume what Cap would do to Batman than it does to use the Batman and Cap comparison to assume what Deathstroke will do to Cap.
Lastly, how regularly Deathstroke does something is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Deathstroke getting the best of these groups has no bearing on how he'll fare in a 1on1 against Cap. In most of those fights you're referencing Deathstroke uses planning and manages to use the members of the group against each other. Neither of those would be an option in a fight against Cap. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Batman and Cap don't have similar stats. Batman is peak human. Cap is superhuman just like Deathstroke.
And that's the problem with your whole argument. You keep on grouping Batman and Cap together as if they are the same when they aren't. Argument about who would win aside, Cap is physically superior to Batman in every way just like Deathstroke is. It makes more sense to use the Cap and Deathstroke comparison to assume what Cap would do to Batman than it does to use the Batman and Cap comparison to assume what Deathstroke will do to Cap.
Lastly, how regularly Deathstroke does something is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Deathstroke getting the best of these groups has no bearing on how he'll fare in a 1on1 against Cap. In most of those fights you're referencing Deathstroke uses planning and manages to use the members of the group against each other. Neither of those would be an option in a fight against Cap.
agree with everything said here. Batman and Daredevil are in the same category for peak human. DS fights against teams require prep time. He's not just showing up on their doorsteps in Superman fashion saying "come at me bro".
Also, Batman does not have similar stats to Cap. Batman is peak human for Bruce Wayne whereas Steve Rogers is peak human for humanity..that's the difference or at least that's how Marvel described him. Cap is a legit superhuman character, with enhanced strength, speed, agility, stamina and limited durability. When he first became Cap, the best fighters from around the globe were brought to him to train him. Furthermore, he began to become a training machine constantly having sessions with the entire Avengers lineup(s). He's capable of adapting to *any* fighting style on the fly. If you look at his history, Cap has been doing ridiculous ? since his debut and has fought superhumans straight up on a regular basis. Just an example of Cap's level versus a Daredevil/Batman level..during the Streets of Ice arc (may have messed the name up) Cap was nuts, not in his right mind..Daredevil approached him to see what was up. Let's just say the fight didn't go well for DD..DD has ridiculous feats himself and for a regular human, he's the most agile character in books..If you know about DD, then you know about his enhanced senses, radar sense, his ability to perceive an attack based on his opponents heart beat and most importantly, he's a ninja ? trained by Stick who is like a martial arts ? in the MU..DD was unable to perceive these attacks due to being unable to read Steve, because his biology is different. One punch from Steve was ? DD up to the point he had to retreat to recover, but he couldn't because Cap was too fast to get away from..When Cap caught him, he held him by his wrists, toying with him and they were beginning to break. iirc, Cap just eventually left him alone. I will have to pull the issue out to confirm the details. Despite Cap being in the street level category, there are levels to this ? . Cap, Deathstroke, Black Panther are all on the same level, whereas Batman, Daredevil, MoonKnight etc.. are on a level or two below them. Hell you can just look at the two "fights" in Marvel vs DC and the JLA/Avengers crossover, especially the former..Although Batman won the fan voted fight, look at how the fight went. Batman hid in the shadows the entire fight..He wasn't trying to engage him in straight hth. Bats punches Cap, Cap turns his head..Cap punches Batman and Bats goes flying..yeah they're similar alright..
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Captain AmericaLOL. Cap beat the memory outta Daredevil during "Streets of Poison".
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Batman and Cap don't have similar stats. Batman is peak human. Cap is superhuman just like Deathstroke.
And that's the problem with your whole argument. You keep on grouping Batman and Cap together as if they are the same when they aren't. Argument about who would win aside, Cap is physically superior to Batman in every way just like Deathstroke is. It makes more sense to use the Cap and Deathstroke comparison to assume what Cap would do to Batman than it does to use the Batman and Cap comparison to assume what Deathstroke will do to Cap.
Lastly, how regularly Deathstroke does something is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Deathstroke getting the best of these groups has no bearing on how he'll fare in a 1on1 against Cap. In most of those fights you're referencing Deathstroke uses planning and manages to use the members of the group against each other. Neither of those would be an option in a fight against Cap.
Except they do. Cap has done nothing to exceed Batman's "punching through bazooka proof glass" or "kicking a guy through a missile proof door" thing. Cap has never shown to be faster than Batman in any way either. Batman and Cap have similar stats when you look at what they've done, not the flawed way you look at them and their "character concepts". Batman is very superhuman, just like Cap.
Deathstroke hitting Flash, dodging Starfire's blasts, easily beating people who are physically superior to him and giving it to high tiers has A LOT to do with how he'll handle Cap. It shows how fast he is, how good he is at what he does, the arsenal he has at his disposal. Also you're forgetting that his healing factor and durability are leagues above Caps.
Deathstroke has 5-10 ton feats, Cap stays closer to 2 like Batman does. -
BatmanBruh, daredevil is highly overrated. He got beat by gambit. Black Panther ? on DD easily. This is a no brainer for cap. Everyone walks on daredevil including Spiderman and Luke Cage.
What gives Deathstroke the edge over cap is that he uses 90% of his brain so he's much smarter. What gives bats the edge is that he's smarter. He has gadgets for all his enemies (even superman). He may not be able to fight cap hand to hand solo for a long bout but bats is gonna take him out before cap beats him. It's still a close match up, don't see it being a sweep. Didn't batman beat wolverine in a crossover? Batman vs iron man is a better match up imo. I believe batman is up there as a top 10 in the smartest dc characters, cap isn't top 10 in marvel though. I dunno, I could be wrong.
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Captain AmericaCats are sleeping on Daredevil. Dude is a blind regular Joe whooping ass for decades.
No African herbs, no super soldier serum, no X-gene. Just straight up martial arts, that sonar ability and heightened senses and the ability to "read" most opponent's biorhythms in order to anticipate their next moves before they even make them.
In Streets of Poison, he wasn't at his best; he had just got ? up in a different storyline. If he were at 100%, he would've had a better showing against Cap. He still would've lost (cuz Cap was high offa drugs reacting bad with the super soldier serum and was on some ? Boy ? ), but he would've faired much better.
For those who don't know, read Frank Miller's run. His battles with the Kingpin, Elektra and Bullseye are classics.
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Captain AmericaCats are sleeping on Daredevil. Dude is a blind regular Joe whooping ass for decades.
No African herbs, no super soldier serum, no X-gene. Just straight up martial arts, that sonar ability and heightened senses and the ability to "read" most opponent's biorhythms in order to anticipate their next moves before they even make them.
In Streets of Poison, he wasn't at his best; he had just got ? up in a different storyline. If he were at 100%, he would've had a better showing against Cap. He still would've lost (cuz Cap was high offa drugs reacting bad with the super soldier serum and was on some ? Boy ? ), but he would've faired much better.
For those who don't know, read Frank Miller's run. His battles with the Kingpin, Elektra and Bullseye are classics.
Also, read that Shadow Land run.
Examples of Cap's said ? Boy ? :
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DarkRaiden wrote: »
Except they do. Cap has done nothing to exceed Batman's "punching through bazooka proof glass" or "kicking a guy through a missile proof door" thing. Cap has never shown to be faster than Batman in any way either. Batman and Cap have similar stats when you look at what they've done, not the flawed way you look at them and their "character concepts". Batman is very superhuman, just like Cap.
Deathstroke hitting Flash, dodging Starfire's blasts, easily beating people who are physically superior to him and giving it to high tiers has A LOT to do with how he'll handle Cap. It shows how fast he is, how good he is at what he does, the arsenal he has at his disposal. Also you're forgetting that his healing factor and durability are leagues above Caps.
Deathstroke has 5-10 ton feats, Cap stays closer to 2 like Batman does.
So, my way of looking at things which is basically to take what is stated about and established for the character is "flawed," but you're way of basing everything on a couple high level feats is right? Ok, I don't know how long you've been reading comics, but I'm sure you know that feats go up and down like roller coasters. In one comic a character can be chucking cars like ninja stars, and in another comic that same character can be struggling to lift an enemy that barely ways a ton. That's how it goes. Unless you've got Batman performing some feats and have proof that Cap couldn't do the same easier, you're not definitively proving anything.
Just look at Batman's rogue gallery. Hardly any of them have super powers. Hell, Bane is probably one of his strongest enemies. He's just a roided up human and he damn near killed Batman. Pretty much everyone Cap fights, is superhuman.
As for Deathstroke, everything you're saying in favor of him can be said for Cap. Cap has school pretty much all the Avengers at some point or the other. So again, your example of how well he does against JL members is meaningless. Hell, forget the Avengers. Cap has gone into the Cosmic arena and been revered for his prowess. When you have the respect of members of alien races that were space faring while humans were still trying to figure out fire, you're doing something right. -
DrMindbender122 wrote: »LOL. Cap beat the memory outta Daredevil during "Streets of Poison".
One of my favorite arcs when I was a youngin'.
thanks!! for correcting the arc name -
Ironman is a bad match up for Batman and being smart doesn't give you wins. Ask Dr. DoomGrandMasterSour wrote: »Bruh, daredevil is highly overrated. He got beat by gambit. Black Panther ? on DD easily. This is a no brainer for cap. Everyone walks on daredevil including Spiderman and Luke Cage.
What gives Deathstroke the edge over cap is that he uses 90% of his brain so he's much smarter. What gives bats the edge is that he's smarter. He has gadgets for all his enemies (even superman). He may not be able to fight cap hand to hand solo for a long bout but bats is gonna take him out before cap beats him. It's still a close match up, don't see it being a sweep. Didn't batman beat wolverine in a crossover? Batman vs iron man is a better match up imo. I believe batman is up there as a top 10 in the smartest dc characters, cap isn't top 10 in marvel though. I dunno, I could be wrong. -
Batmanlets not forget Bane wore out Bats before fighting and breaking Batman's back
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »
Except they do. Cap has done nothing to exceed Batman's "punching through bazooka proof glass" or "kicking a guy through a missile proof door" thing. Cap has never shown to be faster than Batman in any way either. Batman and Cap have similar stats when you look at what they've done, not the flawed way you look at them and their "character concepts". Batman is very superhuman, just like Cap.
Deathstroke hitting Flash, dodging Starfire's blasts, easily beating people who are physically superior to him and giving it to high tiers has A LOT to do with how he'll handle Cap. It shows how fast he is, how good he is at what he does, the arsenal he has at his disposal. Also you're forgetting that his healing factor and durability are leagues above Caps.
Deathstroke has 5-10 ton feats, Cap stays closer to 2 like Batman does.
So, my way of looking at things which is basically to take what is stated about and established for the character is "flawed," but you're way of basing everything on a couple high level feats is right? Ok, I don't know how long you've been reading comics, but I'm sure you know that feats go up and down like roller coasters. In one comic a character can be chucking cars like ninja stars, and in another comic that same character can be struggling to lift an enemy that barely ways a ton. That's how it goes. Unless you've got Batman performing some feats and have proof that Cap couldn't do the same easier, you're not definitively proving anything.
Just look at Batman's rogue gallery. Hardly any of them have super powers. Hell, Bane is probably one of his strongest enemies. He's just a roided up human and he damn near killed Batman. Pretty much everyone Cap fights, is superhuman.
As for Deathstroke, everything you're saying in favor of him can be said for Cap. Cap has school pretty much all the Avengers at some point or the other. So again, your example of how well he does against JL members is meaningless. Hell, forget the Avengers. Cap has gone into the Cosmic arena and been revered for his prowess. When you have the respect of members of alien races that were space faring while humans were still trying to figure out fire, you're doing something right.
Cap has schooled Thor? I mean I've seen him beat Hulk (complete PIS), Iron Man was also PIS, and Spidey didn't fight back, never seen him even take Luke Cage, and he's worse than Wolverine and they've made that prety clear. Difference is Deathstroke stomps most street levels period. And his JL/Teen Titan feats are consistent and happen nearly every time.
As for Bats, punching bazooka proof doors and missile proof doors are mid-high level at best. his real high levels are PIS and don't make sense. Bane is strong AND a great fighter which is why he's a good villain. Same reason Cap has problems with Red Skull and other street levelers.
But mainly, Bats has 1 ton+ strength feats (that Cap can match, but doesn't tend to exceed) and they both have similar speed feats. They're nearly identical.
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Captain AmericaWtf does PIS mean?
