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Spinoff: When is enough not enough

MzKBMzKB Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2014 in R & R (Religion and Race)
@DoUwant2go2Heaven made a thread about when is enough, enough……

I pose the question when is enough not enough?

We all know that man is not perfect and that people make mistakes whether it is willing or unwilling.

So answer this…what happens if a person stops doing all of the "worldly" things and ask for forgiveness, accepts Jesus/God or whomever they believe in as their savior, but sins right before his/her untimely death; Is that person damned to hell?

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  • Lou_CypherLou_Cypher Make Reasonable Choices. H. E. Double Hockey SticksPosts: 52,498 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, they have to repent everything before they die. That's the rule.
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  • KatKat Don't @ Me to Dumb Shit. H-TownPosts: 50,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not in my opinion.

    But the fact that this is interpreted so differently among people is another reason that Christianity bothers me, though it's how I was raised.
  • _Goldie__Goldie_ ablackweb.com Posts: 30,349 Regulator
    Religion is a bunch of bullshit
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  • MARIO_DROMARIO_DRO Posts: 14,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OH NO..

    YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN..

    IF YOU TRUELY BELIEVE IN GOD (FOLLOW HIS WORD) AND SAY YOU SIN, THEN "BAMMM" GET HIT BY A BUS AND DIE, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN....

    YOU DONT BECOME "UNSAVED" WHEN U SIN
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  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopPosts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    Religion is a bunch of bullshit

    .....................
  • MzKBMzKB Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So they gonna throw my thread into the Abyss??? What I do to deserve that? Mods coulda let it cook in GNS for a minute
  • BeleeDatPleighboyBeleeDatPleighboy Knockin em off they feet like a southerner supposed to do Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MzKB wrote: »
    @DoUwant2go2Heaven made a thread about when is enough, enough……

    I pose the question when is enough not enough?

    We all know that man is not perfect and that people make mistakes whether it is willing or unwilling.

    So answer this…what happens if a person stops doing all of the "worldly" things and ask for forgiveness, accepts Jesus/God or whomever they believe in as their savior, but sins right before his/her untimely death; Is that person damned to hell?

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  • BodhiBodhi Posts: 7,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now might I do it pat, now he is praying; And now I'll do't. And so he goes to heaven; And so am I revenged. That would be scann'd: A villain kills my father; and for that, I, his sole son, do this same villain send to heaven. O, this is hire and salary, not revenge. He took my father grossly, full of bread; With all his crimes broad blown, as flush as May; And how his audit stands who knows save heaven? But in our circumstance and course of thought, 'Tis heavy with him: and am I then revenged, to take him in the purging of his soul, when he is fit and season'd for his passage? No! Up, sword; and know thou a more horrid hent: When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage, Or in the incestuous pleasure of his bed; At gaming, swearing, or about some act that has no relish of salvation in't; Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven, and that his soul may be as damn'd and black as hell, whereto it goes. My mother stays: This physic but prolongs thy sickly days.
    “Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
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  • MzKBMzKB Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    OH NO..

    YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN..

    IF YOU TRUELY BELIEVE IN GOD (FOLLOW HIS WORD) AND SAY YOU SIN, THEN "BAMMM" GET HIT BY A BUS AND DIE, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN....

    YOU DONT BECOME "UNSAVED" WHEN U SIN

    now we know that no sin is greater than the next…what happens if I commit suicide or murder and then die of a heart attack immediately am I still going to heaven?

    Also is the where the "God knows my heart" assumption came from?
  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MzKB wrote: »
    OH NO..

    YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN..

    IF YOU TRUELY BELIEVE IN GOD (FOLLOW HIS WORD) AND SAY YOU SIN, THEN "BAMMM" GET HIT BY A BUS AND DIE, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN....

    YOU DONT BECOME "UNSAVED" WHEN U SIN

    now we know that no sin is greater than the next…what happens if I commit suicide or murder and then die of a heart attack immediately am I still going to heaven?

    Also is the where the "God knows my heart" assumption came from?

    I think the whole "god knows my heart" came from Psalms.
  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO, a god shouldn't care about how humans live their lives. To be as petty as the god described in the bible is silly.

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  • zombiezombie Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VIBE wrote: »
    IMO, a god shouldn't care about how humans live their lives. To be as petty as the god described in the bible is silly.

    That is like saying a dad should not care about his children
  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zombie wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    IMO, a god shouldn't care about how humans live their lives. To be as petty as the god described in the bible is silly.

    That is like saying a dad should not care about his children

    How so?

    God doesn't intervine in lives, he just allows them to make their own decisions, right?

    A FATHER doesn't do that, he makes the best decisions for them until they're ready to do it for themselves. Even then, the father still makes sure that his children are making good choices.

    God doesn't do either, he just allows and does nothing.

    Can't compare a father to god, because at the end of the day, the father (not god, either) is far greater and will always do more.


    I find it silly that god is "above all", yet god is extremely petty.


    Regardless of what sin is commited, why be angry or surprised? After all, he allowed all this to happen, he set it all up. Makes no sense to be angry about something that he knows in advance is going to happen.

    Sin is such a shitty concept. It's man made rules because of guilt men felt, not because of a god.
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopPosts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zombie wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    IMO, a god shouldn't care about how humans live their lives. To be as petty as the god described in the bible is silly.

    That is like saying a dad should not care about his children

    And the evidence God cares about humans on Earth is...........?
  • zombiezombie Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    VIBE wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    IMO, a god shouldn't care about how humans live their lives. To be as petty as the god described in the bible is silly.

    That is like saying a dad should not care about his children

    How so?

    God doesn't intervine in lives, he just allows them to make their own decisions, right?

    A FATHER doesn't do that, he makes the best decisions for them until they're ready to do it for themselves. Even then, the father still makes sure that his children are making good choices.

    God doesn't do either, he just allows and does nothing.

    Can't compare a father to god, because at the end of the day, the father (not god, either) is far greater and will always do more.


    I find it silly that god is "above all", yet god is extremely petty.


    Regardless of what sin is commited, why be angry or surprised? After all, he allowed all this to happen, he set it all up. Makes no sense to be angry about something that he knows in advance is going to happen.

    Sin is such a shitty concept. It's man made rules because of guilt men felt, not because of a god.

    It IS CHRISTIAN belief that God does intervine in our lives if we ask him too according to his will he will act, god is not a dictator or a genie so he won't just give you what you want. But if you ask him for help god will help you but in his own way. God gets mad/sad that people choose to sin.

    DoUwant2go2Heaven
  • zombiezombie Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zombie wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    IMO, a god shouldn't care about how humans live their lives. To be as petty as the god described in the bible is silly.

    That is like saying a dad should not care about his children

    And the evidence God cares about humans on Earth is...........?

    Christ came died and gave us a path to real life HUMANITY deciding to follow that path is on us.
    DoUwant2go2Heaven
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