Why The Hell Would Earth Be The Only Habitable Place, In A Whole Solar System?

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  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    whar wrote: »
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    Because we happen to be just the right size and have just the right composition of materials and atmosphere to make life possible we are also just the right amount of space away from the sun. The sun, the earth, the moon and the other planets are just the way they should be to allow llife to survive on earth.

    Yet atheist think this is all by chance.

    With 17,000,000,000 planets existing in our galaxy and 100,000,000,000 galaxies contain similar numbers of planets, that produces 17x10^20 possible 'earths'. So that by chance thing is kinda easy to accept. Its not a magical-sky-daddy-that-will-answer-your-prays easy but still pretty easy to believe.

    we don't know how many planets are in the universe and most of the planets in that number if true are probably composed of ? of gas and dead rock planets, the thing is it's not the planets, it's intelligent life that matters.

    if the smallest thing went wrong during the creation of earth we would not have humanity, everything had to be correct. you think this is all chance i don't. and even if there are intelligent aliens it still does not mean the universe is not designed, too many factors have to work together just right for life to exist

    Zombie, the OP linked an article/post discussing the 17 billion number. Recently a new satellite has been launched with the express purpose of finding worlds. Kempler as it is called has found thousands of new planets in orbit around nearby stars. In that set as many as 122 are rocky like earth and are in the "Goldilocks zone" where water is liquid on its surface. The size of the planet does not matter that much as gravity would effect evolution but not thwart the development of life.

    While I agree changing events may have doomed the human race it would not have doomed life. Different species would have evolved, perhaps one even more intelligent than us.

    That's not actually proof that these 122 planets have sentient life and even if they did that still does not mean that the universe was not designed. actually if we do ever find intelligent life it would be even more proof that the universe was designed. it would be interesting to learn what they have to say about ? .
  • zombie
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    I am not saying that earth has to be unique there can be life in other places but in each of those places life there had to have been designed. everything had to have been set up correctly to attain a certain result because too many thing have to go right for intelligent life to evolve not only evolve intelligence but create civilization.

    there are a lot of factors stacking up from quantum physics to chemistry to biology and so much more have to work together to cause life to come into existence.
  • whar
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    Zombie your argument centers on this "but in each of those places life there had to have been designed". However the vastness of the universe overwhelms this argument. The components of life are not magical. Life need liquid water, life needs the presence of of complex organic molecules, life as we know it requires requires Oxygen for multi-celluar life. Whatever things life requires they are straightforward things, meaning they are things the exist in many places. The chance for all of those thing to exist in one place just due to random assortment is infinitesimally small. However even with that the Universe would still produce life.

    Lets say the chance to produce life on one of those 122 rocky planets is 1 in 100,000,000,000. Further lets argue that when life arises intelligent life will only arise 1 in 100,000,000,000. That means for intelligent life to arise randomly is 1x10^22. Given these numbers there is almost no chance there is life in the Milky Way other than us. However there are 500 billion galaxies floating out there. That means simple randomness will produce 85 instances of intelligent life spread throughout the universe.

    Zombie as soon as you make this statement "too many thing have to go right for intelligent life to evolve" your argument is unhinged. Regardless of the number of thing that need to go right the size of the universe will produce enough chances that those things will go right in some small number of places. For the design argument to hold you must pick something and say "This can not happen in nature. Period." Unfortunately for this position all the components for life seem to happen in nature.
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2014
    whar wrote: »
    Zombie your argument centers on this "but in each of those places life there had to have been designed". However the vastness of the universe overwhelms this argument. The components of life are not magical. Life need liquid water, life needs the presence of of complex organic molecules, life as we know it requires requires Oxygen for multi-celluar life. Whatever things life requires they are straightforward things, meaning they are things the exist in many places. The chance for all of those thing to exist in one place just due to random assortment is infinitesimally small. However even with that the Universe would still produce life.

    Lets say the chance to produce life on one of those 122 rocky planets is 1 in 100,000,000,000. Further lets argue that when life arises intelligent life will only arise 1 in 100,000,000,000. That means for intelligent life to arise randomly is 1x10^22. Given these numbers there is almost no chance there is life in the Milky Way other than us. However there are 500 billion galaxies floating out there. That means simple randomness will produce 85 instances of intelligent life spread throughout the universe.

    Zombie as soon as you make this statement "too many thing have to go right for intelligent life to evolve" your argument is unhinged. Regardless of the number of thing that need to go right the size of the universe will produce enough chances that those things will go right in some small number of places. For the design argument to hold you must pick something and say "This can not happen in nature. Period." Unfortunately for this position all the components for life seem to happen in nature.

    There is only one place in the universe that has intelligent life you have no real proof that any of those other planets have the needed factors that can produce intelligent life. AND I doubt we even know what those all factors are because we still don't have a good grasp on what it means to be sentient.

    your entire argument is based only on one example, earth. there may be whole galaxies devoid of the factors needed for life, There is no gaurante that just because a planet has water and minerals that life will emerge. Just because the factors needed for lntelligent life may be common that does not mean life will emerge or that life is common and produced by randomness.

    could be that there is life all over but created life not random, we don't have enough information to say that life is a natural process created by the interactions of mineral heat and pressure like abiogenesis says. we have only observed life never created it from scratch.
  • Clymaxx
    Clymaxx Members Posts: 6
    I notice a bit of similarities......

    Planet Titan - Titanic

    Planet Venus - Venezuela

    Planet Saturn - Saturday

    Planet Mercury - Mercury is also a chemical element with the symbol Hg and atomic number 80.

  • Clymaxx
    Clymaxx Members Posts: 6


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    Martian Tornadoes! Jovian Hurricanes! With their exotic atmospheres the weather on other planets are more powerful than anything we could ever experience here on Earth!
  • perspective@100
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    There is no other life anywhere else.
  • UinitiatedMgt
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    Given the # of planets known in the observable universe, it is plausible that intelligent life as we know it exist(s) in habitable conditions somewhere beyond our planet. The universe is as huge as ? , though. This is only our solar system. We don't have the tools to reach absurdly far, yet; however, keeping with our solar system, scientists may find life on our neighboring planet, not intelligent life as we know it but life nonetheless.
  • perspective@100
    perspective@100 Members Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭✭
    Given the # of planets known in the observable universe, it is plausible that intelligent life as we know it exist(s) in habitable conditions somewhere beyond our planet. The universe is as huge as ? , though. This is only our solar system. We don't have the tools to reach absurdly far, yet; however, keeping with our solar system, scientists may find life on our neighboring planet, not intelligent life as we know it but life nonetheless.

    You cant believe half the ? you see here on Earth right in front of your face....

    Like I said you cant fathom the size because its all visual observation which is flawed no matter how you look at it. Peering into a vacuum that bends the laws of physics as we know it cant yield any viable data. The sky itself could be a worm hole and we may not be looking at the universe we actually reside in... TF right haha...

    if its not intelligent who cares. If we serched a planet 6 billion lightyears away and found a pack dogs what a joke that would be...

    All my opinion I really don't know ? either.
  • blackamerica
    blackamerica Members Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    whar wrote: »
    Zombie your argument centers on this "but in each of those places life there had to have been designed". However the vastness of the universe overwhelms this argument. The components of life are not magical. Life need liquid water, life needs the presence of of complex organic molecules, life as we know it requires requires Oxygen for multi-celluar life. Whatever things life requires they are straightforward things, meaning they are things the exist in many places. The chance for all of those thing to exist in one place just due to random assortment is infinitesimally small. However even with that the Universe would still produce life.

    Lets say the chance to produce life on one of those 122 rocky planets is 1 in 100,000,000,000. Further lets argue that when life arises intelligent life will only arise 1 in 100,000,000,000. That means for intelligent life to arise randomly is 1x10^22. Given these numbers there is almost no chance there is life in the Milky Way other than us. However there are 500 billion galaxies floating out there. That means simple randomness will produce 85 instances of intelligent life spread throughout the universe.

    Zombie as soon as you make this statement "too many thing have to go right for intelligent life to evolve" your argument is unhinged. Regardless of the number of thing that need to go right the size of the universe will produce enough chances that those things will go right in some small number of places. For the design argument to hold you must pick something and say "This can not happen in nature. Period." Unfortunately for this position all the components for life seem to happen in nature.
    Yea but given the amount of galaxies and chances of intelligent life, then why exactly haven't they found us yet? I'm sure we would've been contacted by now if there was a civilization far advanced than us somewhere out there. The fingers all point to ? 's creation and us being uniquely built