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  • CracceR
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  • manofmorehouse
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    i'm not sure why anyone would choose to be ? given all they ? they get for it.

    Everyone uses this as "definitive proof" that being ? is something that you're born into. You don't have sexual urges as a baby or child. If anything, you're born to be attracted to that which with you can reproduce with. I think it is a behavior that is learned. Generally, people with ? sexual urges or true nymphos/sex addicts had episodes as kids that shaped their opinions and behaviors on their sexual identities.

    That doesn't mean that they should be hated or vilified, but I hate when these muthafuckas call themselves the "new Black". Huh?? You CHOOSE to talk in that feminine inflection as a ? dude or deepen your voice and dress like a ? as a ? woman. And I CHOOSE to laugh at the confusion that is a "? " ? wanting a ? with female traits or a ? woman wanting a butch woman with a plastic ? . ? is illogical, but we all CHOOSE the life we live. Do you and live and let live....
  • blackrain
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    Question is answered by simply asking yourself when did you choose to love ? or did you just naturally go after women. At no point did I consciously choose to love ? I just do. It's a wonderful thing but never did I have to make a choice about whether or not I like it
  • OmegaConflict
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    @OMEGA_CONFLICT this guy wanna ask you sumn
    Keep your ? thoughts to yourself
  • Copper
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    VIBE wrote: »
    Copper wrote: »
    People can't tell you if their born a certain way or not

    Were you born straight?

    Did you consciously decide if you like men or women?

    Or, was it without question, natural, something you never had to think about?

    My memory goes back at about 3 years of age
    And I'm pretty sure no one was attracted to anyone at birth
  • 7figz
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    That "born-? " ? is a straw-man argument.
  • VIBE
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    blackrain wrote: »
    Question is answered by simply asking yourself when did you choose to love ? or did you just naturally go after women. At no point did I consciously choose to love ? I just do. It's a wonderful thing but never did I have to make a choice about whether or not I like it

    Exactly.

    They'll never see it that way, though.

    They see it as, "well, if I'm straight everyone else should be too."
  • Copper
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    Copper wrote: »
    His wife look like allergens

    0530-antoine-dodson-twitter-3.jpg

    ...SO WE GONE ACT LIKE HE DONT LOOK LIKE JAMEL?

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  • S2J
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    I believe you're born straight. But then we also have free will. And thru that free will we as human beings and society set a lot of fukery in motion, typically affecting the youth. The youth are conditioned to certain things and indoctrinated with certain things that 1) Both child and adult are not even aware have an affect, and 2) Won't manifest until the child is an adult.

    An example of that is the fact that a lot of kids that are molested grow up to be molesters themselves.



  • VIBE
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    Copper wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    Copper wrote: »
    People can't tell you if their born a certain way or not

    Were you born straight?

    Did you consciously decide if you like men or women?

    Or, was it without question, natural, something you never had to think about?

    My memory goes back at about 3 years of age
    And I'm pretty sure no one was attracted to anyone at birth

    Don't be so difficult.

    Going back to when you first knew you were attracted to females, whatever age that may have been, did you need to figure that out? Or was it natural, something you never had to figure out?
  • Kat
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    Copper wrote: »
    His wife look like allergens

    0530-antoine-dodson-twitter-3.jpg

    ...SO WE GONE ACT LIKE HE DONT LOOK LIKE JAMEL?

    @Black_Samson‌
  • manofmorehouse
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    VIBE wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Question is answered by simply asking yourself when did you choose to love ? or did you just naturally go after women. At no point did I consciously choose to love ? I just do. It's a wonderful thing but never did I have to make a choice about whether or not I like it

    Exactly.

    They'll never see it that way, though.

    They see it as, "well, if I'm straight everyone else should be too."

    So we're going to act as if biology plays no role in a man being physically attracted to a woman for reproductive purposes?? You don't have to think about wanting ? because your natural inclination is to crave sex to reproduce. You may not want to believe that, but that's how life works. Something to do with birds and bees or some ? ....
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  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    from the same town im from...

    Might have to have a sit down with pops bruh....
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  • Copper
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    VIBE wrote: »
    Copper wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    Copper wrote: »
    People can't tell you if their born a certain way or not

    Were you born straight?

    Did you consciously decide if you like men or women?

    Or, was it without question, natural, something you never had to think about?

    My memory goes back at about 3 years of age
    And I'm pretty sure no one was attracted to anyone at birth

    Don't be so difficult.

    Going back to when you first knew you were attracted to females, whatever age that may have been, did you need to figure that out? Or was it natural, something you never had to figure out?

    I was 4 or 5 her name was Jasmine
    But it coulve have been a result of environment conditions TV, my parents and relatives relationship and even cartoons

    I'm just saying we don't know
  • Negro_Caesar
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    I think ur born ? .
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  • blackrain
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    VIBE wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Question is answered by simply asking yourself when did you choose to love ? or did you just naturally go after women. At no point did I consciously choose to love ? I just do. It's a wonderful thing but never did I have to make a choice about whether or not I like it

    Exactly.

    They'll never see it that way, though.

    They see it as, "well, if I'm straight everyone else should be too."

    So we're going to act as if biology plays no role in a man being physically attracted to a woman for reproductive purposes?? You don't have to think about wanting ? because your natural inclination is to crave sex to reproduce. You may not want to believe that, but that's how life works. Something to do with birds and bees or some ? ....

    That lends more credence to it not being a conscious choice if they don't naturally crave that same thing
  • manofmorehouse
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    blackrain wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Question is answered by simply asking yourself when did you choose to love ? or did you just naturally go after women. At no point did I consciously choose to love ? I just do. It's a wonderful thing but never did I have to make a choice about whether or not I like it

    Exactly.

    They'll never see it that way, though.

    They see it as, "well, if I'm straight everyone else should be too."

    So we're going to act as if biology plays no role in a man being physically attracted to a woman for reproductive purposes?? You don't have to think about wanting ? because your natural inclination is to crave sex to reproduce. You may not want to believe that, but that's how life works. Something to do with birds and bees or some ? ....

    That lends more credence to it not being a conscious choice if they don't naturally crave that same thing

    Maybe you missed the point of my post: As a man, with a ? , you're biologically inclined to seek out and ? a woman for reproductive purposes, correct?? As a straight man, I'm not ? every ? that is offered up to me, because I make that choice. Every other aspect of our life is a choice made by previous experiences. Where we work, who we date, where we live, w hat we eat, etc.
  • topoftheworld
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    VIBE wrote: »
    DonPePe wrote: »
    VIBE wrote: »
    Also, you're born that way.

    You MAY be born with the attraction but its a choice to act on it you don't subconsciously put a dudes ? in your mouth that's like believing your gf tripped and fell on my ? (not your but you know the lies)

    cs

    You're born w the attraction, nothing you can or will do can stop it. I never chose to be straight, never did I consciously decide if I liked girls or guys. I naturally am attracted to women, I have no reason to question that.

    Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. They don't consciously decide this. They're full blown ? . It is what it is.

    Are there people who decide that they wanna chose to do certain ? , though? Yes. But that has nothing to do w the natural attraction part.

    I have two ? uncles, one ? aunt and I've met many ? people. Those who I was comfortable asking, I asked if it was a choice or something they were born w.

    All of them responded they were born that way. So do all other homos.

    Tyler Perry is ? but he says he will never act on it. You'll never see him w a woman, why? Because he ? . He's not attracted to women like straight men are. Plus, he's a Christian. There isn't a magical way out of being ? . He's said he will always be ? but not act upon it.

    I don't see why it's such a big deal to people, though.

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    I got into it with a couple of guys who were adamant that being ? is a choice. your post was my response pretty much verbatim.

    never - not once - have I ever had to choose between being attracted to a woman or being attracted to a man...and I am quick to recognize beauty in a woman.

    every ? person I know says he/she was born that way.

    why the choice debate? because our actions are always by choice - even if we don't fully understand why we do what we do - and even if we want to hold someone else accountable for our actions.

    so it's easy to minimize the issue of homosexuality to one of choice. but to those who take that stance, ask yourself this:

    1. have you ever been physically/romantically/sexually attracted to two different people?
    me? yep. fair enough.

    2. same thing as above, but plot twist: one person is of the same sex?
    me? never.

    3. same as #1 & #2 above, but a step further: you choose the member of the opposite sex, even tho you're not physically/romantically/sexually attracted to her/him? (provided that had the chance with either sex, lol. )
    me? never.

    you're in control of your choices right? but did you really have a "choice" in #2 above?

  • blacktux
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    There are plenty of people who experience/experiment either mentally or physically with the idea of bisexuality yet they never go through with it.

    Social influences are why they dont, and social influences are why another WILL.

    They have black dudes that arent attracted to black women and all they chase is white women.They born like that?

  • blacktux
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    Also, wanting to reproduce doesnt define your sexuality.

  • Copper
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    when people say by choice I think their arguing environmental influences...not somebody saying "hey I think I will go with Rhonda instead of joe"
  • Knock_Twice
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    Choice

    You choose what you like, you aint a puppet, you have free will at whatever you desire, its on you to make your pick..you're born deaf, you're born blind, you're born with freckles, you're born ? , you're born with no legs..? you can't control, if you can control something or make a change too at the drop of a dime..that's a decision, meaning you made a choice..plain and simple...ppl ? me with this born with stuff, it's cool you ? , you ? , but don't cover it up by saying you're born with it...kind of dumb logic is that ? ...what happened in the forming of you in your mother ? went wrong and you became a ? at birth...smh...man ppl need to wake up and understand life..