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McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
The problem with this though is that Iraqis did NOT want Americans there for that long, all the Americans being shot at and killed there up to 2011 is testament to that. Mccain would have been right if he said we never should have taken out Saddam in the first place.....if American troops get sent back to Iraq or even sent to Syria, we will be doing EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda and ISIS wants.
There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda. The more Americans get involved, the happier ISIS and Al-Qaeda would be. Remember, America is the most hated nation in the world and is seen as the biggest threat to world peace according to several world polls. These are 2014 polls. America, the Great Satan, would be greeted with open arms.......by terrorists who have waited their WHOLE LIVES to ? an American for payback for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States. -
Jon Stewart making fun of Obama's expensive, failing and losing war against ISIS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/09/jon-stewart-obama-war_n_5956992.html -
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
The problem with this though is that Iraqis did NOT want Americans there for that long, all the Americans being shot at and killed there up to 2011 is testament to that. Mccain would have been right if he said we never should have taken out Saddam in the first place.....if American troops get sent back to Iraq or even sent to Syria, we will be doing EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda and ISIS wants.
There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda. The more Americans get involved, the happier ISIS and Al-Qaeda would be. Remember, America is the most hated nation in the world and is seen as the biggest threat to world peace according to several world polls. These are 2014 polls. America, the Great Satan, would be greeted with open arms.......by terrorists who have waited their WHOLE LIVES to ? an American for payback for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
Who cares these are people we have to ? anyway, they want that because they think allah is going to make them win. the fact remains that we have to ? ? and keeping killing until all of them are dead and even the idea of physically fighting american forces seems futile. that entire places needs to be locked down for a generation and it's children slowly lead away from radical islam. -
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT. There are experts all over the Middle East who predicted this, as America is seen as a unifying force for terrorists in the region. Not saying it's the ONLY reason for ISIS success so far, but America getting involved has already made ISIS more popular, and harder to defeat them
http://www.intellihub.com/isis-tells-obama-fighting-just-begun-claims-recruiting-boost/
Islamic State responded in a video to US President Barack Obama’s vow to “ultimately destroy” it, promising to ? any American ground forces deployed. The extremist group has gained recruits since Obama’s declaration, according to observers in Syria.
---There are other links out there, and experts have said this flat out on CNN and other news networks. As far as the American led war killing around a million Iraqis, I'll admit the stats are controversial but OTHER studies have shown casualty figures from around 100K dead to over 700K dead. These are numbers that will follow America forever, and will forever unite jihadists to hate America, as long as it continues it's horrible foreign policy. You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/4522/20131019/iraq-war-killed-half-million-people-study-finds.htm
Iraq War Killed Half-a-Million People, Study Finds -
kingblaze84 wrote: »McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
The problem with this though is that Iraqis did NOT want Americans there for that long, all the Americans being shot at and killed there up to 2011 is testament to that. Mccain would have been right if he said we never should have taken out Saddam in the first place.....if American troops get sent back to Iraq or even sent to Syria, we will be doing EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda and ISIS wants.
There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda. The more Americans get involved, the happier ISIS and Al-Qaeda would be. Remember, America is the most hated nation in the world and is seen as the biggest threat to world peace according to several world polls. These are 2014 polls. America, the Great Satan, would be greeted with open arms.......by terrorists who have waited their WHOLE LIVES to ? an American for payback for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
Who cares these are people we have to ? anyway, they want that because they think allah is going to make them win. the fact remains that we have to ? ? and keeping killing until all of them are dead and even the idea of physically fighting american forces seems futile. that entire places needs to be locked down for a generation and it's children slowly lead away from radical islam.
America has to ? and ? and ? and ? and ? our way to solve this problem, interesting. Are you for using a big hydrogen or nuclear bomb over Iraq and Syria? If not, why not? Might as well since killing is the only way to stop ISIS right? By the way, massive killing of people there, as America is doing already, only BUILDS up radical Islam recruitment, not lowers it. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT. There are experts all over the Middle East who predicted this, as America is seen as a unifying force for terrorists in the region. Not saying it's the ONLY reason for ISIS success so far, but America getting involved has already made ISIS more popular, and harder to defeat them
http://www.intellihub.com/isis-tells-obama-fighting-just-begun-claims-recruiting-boost/
Islamic State responded in a video to US President Barack Obama’s vow to “ultimately destroy” it, promising to ? any American ground forces deployed. The extremist group has gained recruits since Obama’s declaration, according to observers in Syria.
---There are other links out there, and experts have said this flat out on CNN and other news networks. As far as the American led war killing around a million Iraqis, I'll admit the stats are controversial but OTHER studies have shown casualty figures from around 100K dead to over 700K dead. These are numbers that will follow America forever, and will forever unite jihadists to hate America, as long as it continues it's horrible foreign policy. You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/4522/20131019/iraq-war-killed-half-million-people-study-finds.htm
Iraq War Killed Half-a-Million People, Study Finds
the usa has killed many more people than that in it's past wars and will probably have to ? much more, ? their feelings we have to fight them until they stop and if it means more people have to die then so be it, we cannot just ? out and leave them alone a cowards way out it not going to work it's too late to look back now we have to take responsibility for what we have done and see it all the way until it's end.
? worrying about how people who are willing to join a group like isis feel. they have too die no matter how many of them exist -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT. There are experts all over the Middle East who predicted this, as America is seen as a unifying force for terrorists in the region. Not saying it's the ONLY reason for ISIS success so far, but America getting involved has already made ISIS more popular, and harder to defeat them
http://www.intellihub.com/isis-tells-obama-fighting-just-begun-claims-recruiting-boost/
Islamic State responded in a video to US President Barack Obama’s vow to “ultimately destroy” it, promising to ? any American ground forces deployed. The extremist group has gained recruits since Obama’s declaration, according to observers in Syria.
---There are other links out there, and experts have said this flat out on CNN and other news networks. As far as the American led war killing around a million Iraqis, I'll admit the stats are controversial but OTHER studies have shown casualty figures from around 100K dead to over 700K dead. These are numbers that will follow America forever, and will forever unite jihadists to hate America, as long as it continues it's horrible foreign policy. You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/4522/20131019/iraq-war-killed-half-million-people-study-finds.htm
Iraq War Killed Half-a-Million People, Study Finds
the usa has killed many more people than that in it's past wars and will probably have to ? much more, ? their feelings we have to fight them until they stop and if it means more people have to die then so be it, we cannot just ? out and leave them alone a cowards way out it not going to work it's too late to look back now we have to take responsibility for what we have done and see it all the way until it's end.
? worrying about how people who are willing to join a group like isis feel. they have too die no matter how many of them exist
We all know the war against IS is failing big time, but maybe the Pentagon should consider your ideas. It's not like the Pentagon can do any worse. Maybe it's time to use nuclear and hydrogen bombs in the region huh
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT. There are experts all over the Middle East who predicted this, as America is seen as a unifying force for terrorists in the region. Not saying it's the ONLY reason for ISIS success so far, but America getting involved has already made ISIS more popular, and harder to defeat them
http://www.intellihub.com/isis-tells-obama-fighting-just-begun-claims-recruiting-boost/
Islamic State responded in a video to US President Barack Obama’s vow to “ultimately destroy” it, promising to ? any American ground forces deployed. The extremist group has gained recruits since Obama’s declaration, according to observers in Syria.
---There are other links out there, and experts have said this flat out on CNN and other news networks. As far as the American led war killing around a million Iraqis, I'll admit the stats are controversial but OTHER studies have shown casualty figures from around 100K dead to over 700K dead. These are numbers that will follow America forever, and will forever unite jihadists to hate America, as long as it continues it's horrible foreign policy. You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/4522/20131019/iraq-war-killed-half-million-people-study-finds.htm
Iraq War Killed Half-a-Million People, Study Finds
the usa has killed many more people than that in it's past wars and will probably have to ? much more, ? their feelings we have to fight them until they stop and if it means more people have to die then so be it, we cannot just ? out and leave them alone a cowards way out it not going to work it's too late to look back now we have to take responsibility for what we have done and see it all the way until it's end.
? worrying about how people who are willing to join a group like isis feel. they have too die no matter how many of them exist
We all know the war against IS is failing big time, but maybe the Pentagon should consider your ideas. It's not like the Pentagon can do any worse. Maybe it's time to use nuclear and hydrogen bombs in the region huh
No. we just need a draft and we need to use full force and total war if we put the full force of america on a small place like irag and syria this problem would have been solved by now. this ? would have been solved years ago ? trying to build a democracy there we need a military governorship of that region for at least 40 years. we wasted time and wasted money doing ? half way and i would not term america bombing isis a war until we actually go down and fight them. there is no american war on isis. it would take more than just the pentagon to do this the whole society has to get on track and fight that's what total war is and honestly we should just mop up all the unstable states in the muslim world one by one syria,iraq,yemen,sudan,lebanon, somilia -
McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that sounds more like an argument for never going there in the first place. but he didn't have ? to say when that was still an option. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT. There are experts all over the Middle East who predicted this, as America is seen as a unifying force for terrorists in the region. Not saying it's the ONLY reason for ISIS success so far, but America getting involved has already made ISIS more popular, and harder to defeat them
http://www.intellihub.com/isis-tells-obama-fighting-just-begun-claims-recruiting-boost/
Islamic State responded in a video to US President Barack Obama’s vow to “ultimately destroy” it, promising to ? any American ground forces deployed. The extremist group has gained recruits since Obama’s declaration, according to observers in Syria.
---There are other links out there, and experts have said this flat out on CNN and other news networks. As far as the American led war killing around a million Iraqis, I'll admit the stats are controversial but OTHER studies have shown casualty figures from around 100K dead to over 700K dead. These are numbers that will follow America forever, and will forever unite jihadists to hate America, as long as it continues it's horrible foreign policy. You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/4522/20131019/iraq-war-killed-half-million-people-study-finds.htm
Iraq War Killed Half-a-Million People, Study Finds
the usa has killed many more people than that in it's past wars and will probably have to ? much more, ? their feelings we have to fight them until they stop and if it means more people have to die then so be it, we cannot just ? out and leave them alone a cowards way out it not going to work it's too late to look back now we have to take responsibility for what we have done and see it all the way until it's end.
? worrying about how people who are willing to join a group like isis feel. they have too die no matter how many of them exist
We all know the war against IS is failing big time, but maybe the Pentagon should consider your ideas. It's not like the Pentagon can do any worse. Maybe it's time to use nuclear and hydrogen bombs in the region huh
No. we just need a draft and we need to use full force and total war if we put the full force of america on a small place like irag and syria this problem would have been solved by now. this ? would have been solved years ago ? trying to build a democracy there we need a military governorship of that region for at least 40 years. we wasted time and wasted money doing ? half way and i would not term america bombing isis a war until we actually go down and fight them. there is no american war on isis. it would take more than just the pentagon to do this the whole society has to get on track and fight that's what total war is and honestly we should just mop up all the unstable states in the muslim world one by one syria,iraq,yemen,sudan,lebanon, somilia
LOL, we need a draft??!! Please tell me you didn't smoke ? tonight, building an empire there for 40 years?? America is BROKE, word to all the homeless people I saw on the train tonight....to take on 6 or 7 nations at the same time is unrealistic, those GI JOE cartoons you watched growing up ISN'T REAL LIFE, America's military isn't as mighty as you think it is. Having a hammer doesn't mean every problem is a nail, your ideas would create even more terrorism against America, I give Obama credit for at least knowing that.....you ideas are straight madness. You can't solve a political and moral problem with more bombs and bullets, it's bigger then radical Islam, which we agree IS a problem. But American foreign policy is the thing that UNITES Al-Qaeda and others together. Your strategy has BEEN USED ALREADY and it FAILED....ask the 500K dead Iraqis how massive bloodshed works on solving the problem of terrorism lol -
Should I post the link that states that Al-Qaeda and ISIS are closer and closer to ending their beef and creating a new super group, thanks to stupid American foreign policy?
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
it's not so much the "100 years" as it is "the right length of time"McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
that is not THE reason ISIS is having success. not everything is about the US!kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
this remains a ? number for several reasonskingblaze84 wrote: »...for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT. There are experts all over the Middle East who predicted this, as America is seen as a unifying force for terrorists in the region. Not saying it's the ONLY reason for ISIS success so far, but America getting involved has already made ISIS more popular, and harder to defeat them
http://www.intellihub.com/isis-tells-obama-fighting-just-begun-claims-recruiting-boost/
Islamic State responded in a video to US President Barack Obama’s vow to “ultimately destroy” it, promising to ? any American ground forces deployed. The extremist group has gained recruits since Obama’s declaration, according to observers in Syria.
---There are other links out there, and experts have said this flat out on CNN and other news networks. As far as the American led war killing around a million Iraqis, I'll admit the stats are controversial but OTHER studies have shown casualty figures from around 100K dead to over 700K dead. These are numbers that will follow America forever, and will forever unite jihadists to hate America, as long as it continues it's horrible foreign policy. You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/4522/20131019/iraq-war-killed-half-million-people-study-finds.htm
Iraq War Killed Half-a-Million People, Study Finds
the usa has killed many more people than that in it's past wars and will probably have to ? much more, ? their feelings we have to fight them until they stop and if it means more people have to die then so be it, we cannot just ? out and leave them alone a cowards way out it not going to work it's too late to look back now we have to take responsibility for what we have done and see it all the way until it's end.
? worrying about how people who are willing to join a group like isis feel. they have too die no matter how many of them exist
We all know the war against IS is failing big time, but maybe the Pentagon should consider your ideas. It's not like the Pentagon can do any worse. Maybe it's time to use nuclear and hydrogen bombs in the region huh
No. we just need a draft and we need to use full force and total war if we put the full force of america on a small place like irag and syria this problem would have been solved by now. this ? would have been solved years ago ? trying to build a democracy there we need a military governorship of that region for at least 40 years. we wasted time and wasted money doing ? half way and i would not term america bombing isis a war until we actually go down and fight them. there is no american war on isis. it would take more than just the pentagon to do this the whole society has to get on track and fight that's what total war is and honestly we should just mop up all the unstable states in the muslim world one by one syria,iraq,yemen,sudan,lebanon, somilia
LOL, we need a draft??!! Please tell me you didn't smoke ? tonight, building an empire there for 40 years?? America is BROKE, word to all the homeless people I saw on the train tonight....to take on 6 or 7 nations at the same time is unrealistic, those GI JOE cartoons you watched growing up ISN'T REAL LIFE, America's military isn't as mighty as you think it is. Having a hammer doesn't mean every problem is a nail, your ideas would create even more terrorism against America, I give Obama credit for at least knowing that.....you ideas are straight madness. You can't solve a political and moral problem with more bombs and bullets, it's bigger then radical Islam, which we agree IS a problem. But American foreign policy is the thing that UNITES Al-Qaeda and others together. Your strategy has BEEN USED ALREADY and it FAILED....ask the 500K dead Iraqis how massive bloodshed works on solving the problem of terrorism lol
we would not be broke a total war is a complete change in a nations economy everything will be reorganized being that america is the worlds biggest economy this would have world changing concequences.
my strategy has not been used we did not go to total war in iraq or the mid-east. we tried to set up a democracy That was a big mistake.
it took the terrorist about 11 years to accomplish 9-11 these ? won't be doing ? to america in america
after 911 we had the perfect chance to do what really needed to be done but we ? it up. the long occupation is to cause a cultural shift to occur we have to break the tribal system or at least weaken it. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Should I post the link that states that Al-Qaeda and ISIS are closer and closer to ending their beef and creating a new super group, thanks to stupid American foreign policy?
so what let them end it will only make things easier for america then we would have a more coherent enemy to fight america is actually better at fighting real states than a bunch of rabble doing genocide in the mountains. -
the united states of america should decide what it wants to be and it's people have to understand that either it maintains it's world wide military power and crushes it's enemies and supports it's allies or america goes back to being in isolation on world military matters.
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Matthew 19kingblaze84 wrote: »McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
The problem with this though is that Iraqis did NOT want Americans there for that long, all the Americans being shot at and killed there up to 2011 is testament to that. Mccain would have been right if he said we never should have taken out Saddam in the first place.....if American troops get sent back to Iraq or even sent to Syria, we will be doing EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda and ISIS wants.
There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda. The more Americans get involved, the happier ISIS and Al-Qaeda would be. Remember, America is the most hated nation in the world and is seen as the biggest threat to world peace according to several world polls. These are 2014 polls. America, the Great Satan, would be greeted with open arms.......by terrorists who have waited their WHOLE LIVES to ? an American for payback for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
Who cares these are people we have to ? anyway
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Don't be a half way Christian.. We got enough bad reps that bring shame to an otherwise pure system of law -
Judah Back wrote: »
Matthew 19kingblaze84 wrote: »McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
The problem with this though is that Iraqis did NOT want Americans there for that long, all the Americans being shot at and killed there up to 2011 is testament to that. Mccain would have been right if he said we never should have taken out Saddam in the first place.....if American troops get sent back to Iraq or even sent to Syria, we will be doing EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda and ISIS wants.
There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda. The more Americans get involved, the happier ISIS and Al-Qaeda would be. Remember, America is the most hated nation in the world and is seen as the biggest threat to world peace according to several world polls. These are 2014 polls. America, the Great Satan, would be greeted with open arms.......by terrorists who have waited their WHOLE LIVES to ? an American for payback for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
Who cares these are people we have to ? anyway
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Don't be a half way Christian.. We got enough bad reps that bring shame to an otherwise pure system of law
? you do understand that the christian ? actually order wars in the scriptures??? and that he is a war ? and that there exist a large difference between killing and murder according to the law of ? you can ? your enemies lawfully but you can murder no one.
and you are not a christian you are a hebrew israelite or did you finally come to understand how stupid the israelites are. -
Judah Back wrote: »
Matthew 19kingblaze84 wrote: »McCain called it a few years back.
Said we need to be in Iraq for at least another 100 years.
Not really a fan of his, but he was right about that.
The problem with this though is that Iraqis did NOT want Americans there for that long, all the Americans being shot at and killed there up to 2011 is testament to that. Mccain would have been right if he said we never should have taken out Saddam in the first place.....if American troops get sent back to Iraq or even sent to Syria, we will be doing EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda and ISIS wants.
There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda. The more Americans get involved, the happier ISIS and Al-Qaeda would be. Remember, America is the most hated nation in the world and is seen as the biggest threat to world peace according to several world polls. These are 2014 polls. America, the Great Satan, would be greeted with open arms.......by terrorists who have waited their WHOLE LIVES to ? an American for payback for the one million Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States.
Who cares these are people we have to ? anyway
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Don't be a half way Christian.. We got enough bad reps that bring shame to an otherwise pure system of law
? you do understand that the christian ? actually order wars in the scriptures??? and that he is a war ? and that there exist a large difference between killing and murder according to the law of ? you can ? your enemies lawfully but you can murder no one.
and you are not a christian you are a hebrew israelite or did you finally come to understand how stupid the israelites are.
You up in here sounding like a Christian Jihadist. -
okay, let me show you your original quote and follow-up back to back:kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
so you DID say it was THE reason they're winning and, even better, i didn't say it didn't help recruitment. i have said as much in other threads. so what the hell?kingblaze84 wrote: »America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT.
i think you can't quote that link and say "Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States." read your link again.kingblaze84 wrote: »You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
last time these were posted, they didn't say that, so only post them if they actually DO this timekingblaze84 wrote: »Should I post the link that states that Al-Qaeda and ISIS are closer and closer to ending their beef and creating a new super group, thanks to stupid American foreign policy? -
BlueCouchAquafina wrote: »I dont understand sometimes why these threads get moved around. The topics in Grown & Sexy be so random i feel everything belongs there
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okay, let me show you your original quote and follow-up back to back:kingblaze84 wrote: »There's a reason ISIS is winning the war so far, America getting involved in this civil war has boosted up recruitment by the thousands for ISIS AND Al-Qaeda.
so you DID say it was THE reason they're winning and, even better, i didn't say it didn't help recruitment. i have said as much in other threads. so what the hell?kingblaze84 wrote: »America getting more involved in the civil war HAS boosted recruitment for ISIS, this is a FACT.
i think you can't quote that link and say "Iraqis who were brutally slaughtered by the United States." read your link again.kingblaze84 wrote: »You don't like the million casualty number, OK. What do you think about the war in Iraq killing 500K people?
last time these were posted, they didn't say that, so only post them if they actually DO this timekingblaze84 wrote: »Should I post the link that states that Al-Qaeda and ISIS are closer and closer to ending their beef and creating a new super group, thanks to stupid American foreign policy?
When it comes to the war in Iraq and the hundreds of thousands at least who were killed during the war, I blame America because it STARTED the war. Just as ? is often blamed for the hundred million people who died during WW2, because most historians agree that he started the war.
I agree American troops didn't ? ALL the hundreds of thousands (some say a million have died) there, but because it started the stupid and foolish war, and because it brought about consequences of groups eager to get revenge for ANYONE who participated with Americans (Sunnis bombing the hell out of Shiite areas, ISIS being created, etc), America directly and indirectly is responsible for the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have died brutal deaths all upon that country. -
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this is not correct, because ? is NOT blamed for all WWII deaths; he is (rightful) blamed for Holocaust deaths. do people typically blame ? for people killed by the Japanese? so we're stretching it here.kingblaze84 wrote: »When it comes to the war in Iraq and the hundreds of thousands at least who were killed during the war, I blame America because it STARTED the war. Just as ? is often blamed for the hundred million people who died during WW2, because most historians agree that he started the war.
some say that saying a million have died is ? .kingblaze84 wrote: »I agree American troops didn't ? ALL the hundreds of thousands (some say a million have died)-
it's absolutely cherry-picking the worst-claimed figure for SOME mysterious reason.
nope.kingblaze84 wrote: »-there, but because it started the stupid and foolish war, and because it brought about consequences of groups eager to get revenge for ANYONE who participated with Americans (Sunnis bombing the hell out of Shiite areas, ISIS being created, etc), America directly and indirectly is responsible for the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have died brutal deaths all upon that country.
first off, whether or not sectarian strife was unleashed by America, a lot of that stuff comes from things like "Sunnis kept us down under Saddam, so now we'll have payback." is the US responsible for THAT even if they removed Saddam.
second, and i've said this before, people have the agency to decide to ? other people: fine, the US removing Saddam destabilized the country, but the US didn't tell every guy in Iraq "go ? nuts and ? each other." at some point, people should be held accountable for choosing to join ISIS and cut off heads, people should be held accountable for setting off car bombs for sectarian reasons, etc, etc.
third, you have countries like Iran who meddled in Iraq, who funded militias, etc, etc... and yet you don't seem to blame them for anything related to that? frankly, as far as Iraq goes, you reach to blame EVERYTHING on the US. it makes for both a weak argument and to undermine your legitimate point.
fourth... i bet you i can find an example of a country that had outside forces show up and destabilize things where you don't blame those outside forces for everything that is still currently going on... but maybe that's beside the point. or part of number three.
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this is not correct, because ? is NOT blamed for all WWII deaths; he is (rightful) blamed for Holocaust deaths. do people typically blame ? for people killed by the Japanese? so we're stretching it here.kingblaze84 wrote: »When it comes to the war in Iraq and the hundreds of thousands at least who were killed during the war, I blame America because it STARTED the war. Just as ? is often blamed for the hundred million people who died during WW2, because most historians agree that he started the war.
some say that saying a million have died is ? .kingblaze84 wrote: »I agree American troops didn't ? ALL the hundreds of thousands (some say a million have died)-
it's absolutely cherry-picking the worst-claimed figure for SOME mysterious reason.
nope.kingblaze84 wrote: »-there, but because it started the stupid and foolish war, and because it brought about consequences of groups eager to get revenge for ANYONE who participated with Americans (Sunnis bombing the hell out of Shiite areas, ISIS being created, etc), America directly and indirectly is responsible for the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have died brutal deaths all upon that country.
first off, whether or not sectarian strife was unleashed by America, a lot of that stuff comes from things like "Sunnis kept us down under Saddam, so now we'll have payback." is the US responsible for THAT even if they removed Saddam.
second, and i've said this before, people have the agency to decide to ? other people: fine, the US removing Saddam destabilized the country, but the US didn't tell every guy in Iraq "go ? nuts and ? each other." at some point, people should be held accountable for choosing to join ISIS and cut off heads, people should be held accountable for setting off car bombs for sectarian reasons, etc, etc.
third, you have countries like Iran who meddled in Iraq, who funded militias, etc, etc... and yet you don't seem to blame them for anything related to that? frankly, as far as Iraq goes, you reach to blame EVERYTHING on the US. it makes for both a weak argument and to undermine your legitimate point.
fourth... i bet you i can find an example of a country that had outside forces show up and destabilize things where you don't blame those outside forces for everything that is still currently going on... but maybe that's beside the point. or part of number three.
For me to blame America for the chaos and mess Iraq is in now is actually worldwide, supported opinion. You've seen the polls. A Gallup worldwide poll in 2014 had America being the nation seen as the most dangerous and the biggest threat to world peace. Harvard students on video recently said the same thing I'm saying and there's no denying worldwide at least, America is getting the blame for the mess in Iraq. Saddam kept things relatively peaceful,although brutal at times. Nothing close to what we see now though....
I do agree with you that the Shiite militias, members of ISIS and Al-Qaeda do deserve their blame for the chaos too. But America destabilized the nation and brought forth the disaster the region sees now, via refugees and violence. Also don't forget all the weapons and bombs America brought over there. Iran also did not topple Saddam, so they don't get the blame America will get. I won't blame America ENTIRELY though of course. But it get's the lion's share of the blame, fair?
As far as your 4th point, I assume you're speaking of Russia. Ukraine is not as big a mess as Iraq lol. It'sbad of course, but remember America helped topple Ukraine's previous govt anyway (according to various sources). We all saw how quickly America accepted Ukraine's new govt -
okay, when we're discussing the causes of legitimate world events, stop quoting polls that saying "AMERICA IS THE MOST DANGEROUS ? ." if only because you talk about this poll EVERY TEN SECONDS.kingblaze84 wrote: »For me to blame America for the chaos and mess Iraq is in now is actually worldwide, supported opinion. You've seen the polls. A Gallup worldwide poll in 2014 had America being the nation seen as the most dangerous and the biggest threat to world peace.
no.kingblaze84 wrote: »I do agree with you that the Shiite militias, members of ISIS and Al-Qaeda do deserve their blame for the chaos too. But America destabilized the nation and brought forth the disaster the region sees now, via refugees and violence. Also don't forget all the weapons and bombs America brought over there. Iran also did not topple Saddam, so they don't get the blame America will get. I won't blame America ENTIRELY though of course. But it get's the lion's share of the blame, fair?
so you're basically saying "America's 100% to blame!!!" and then later admitting that other people, okay, might also be a problem. but the disaster we're seeing now isn't because America destabilized the nation: it's because AFTER that, Iran pumped weapons in and encouraged militias, and the Iraqi government decided to politicize their military and do kind of the same thing, and the Sunnis went back to rejecting the system because of that and because they really don't get that they're a minority in Iraq.
again, i concur that the US a) removed the "stable" government and b) handled the aftermath poorly. but i will not agree everything subsequent is all the US's fault because i am not going to pretend that anyone's actions during the past ELEVEN YEARS can be waved away with "but the US took out the government in 2003."
please, forget that "America toppled the prior government" ? , because you're not equating to Russia SENDING TROOPS INTO UKRAINE and stealing a piece of that country. further, note that instead of blaming Russia for continued instability happening there RIGHT NOW, you're desperate to blame the US for the whole thing.kingblaze84 wrote: »As far as your 4th point, I assume you're speaking of Russia. Ukraine is not as big a mess as Iraq lol. It'sbad of course, but remember America helped topple Ukraine's previous govt anyway (according to various sources). We all saw how quickly America accepted Ukraine's new govt
which comes back to my prior point: on some of these topics, you are no longer making legitimate arguments, but rather, blaming the US alone and supporting it as best you can.
