Do spirits exist?
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And_So_It_Burns
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If your brain is responsible for your conciseness, personality and intelligence. What is a spirit responsible for and who actually believes these things exist?
Do spirits exist? 34 votes
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Sometimes I talk as if I have a soul or a spirit but I really try and stick to things that can be verified. This kinda puts me in an awkward position because we can't even verify the mind. We all agree we have one, and use it and it is an existing thing, but no one can really 'find' it.
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some people hear it some people fear it/
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A Spirit is liken to that of the wind hence the name its unseen but you feel it and can see its wreckage.
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I think some form of spirits exist....some are good, some are bad. I've never seen them but I know several people personally who have, and they don't really seem crazy, minus some exes. Not sure what they're responsible for though
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Oya_Husband wrote: »A Spirit is liken to that of the wind hence the name its unseen but you feel it and can see its wreckage.
Could you please explain how a spirit is felt?
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They absolutely exist
I have some in my house
I call them vodka, scotch and cognac -
They absolutely exist
I have some in my house
I call them vodka, scotch and cognac
Lol, why do you think some can see them and some can't? I used to date a doctor who said people who see spirits are either schizophrenic (as I have said Zombie possibly is in previous threads) or have some other kind of mental illness. Not saying this is true but IDK, most of the people I know who've seen ghosts mostly seem like normal people. And I personally have never seen one, minus those drinks you mentioned -
I am not schizophrenic.
We are all not the same. some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve -
I don't think you're schizophrenic just delusional.I am not schizophrenic.
You're right some people are delusional while other are not.We are all not the same.some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve
Why believe something like a spirit exist if it can't objectively and repeatably be shown to exist?
Let me show you how silly your arguments sounds...
"How can people not believe in genies? some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve" -
I am not schizophrenic.
We are all not the same. some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve
I hope those ghosts don't bother you too much at night. -
And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
I don't think you're schizophrenic just delusional.I am not schizophrenic.
You're right some people are delusional while other are not.We are all not the same.some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve
Why believe something like a spirit exist if it can't objectively and repeatably be shown to exist?
Let me show you how silly your arguments sounds...
"How can people not believe in genies? some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve"
I do not believe that EVERYTHING has to be objective, to me subjective experience has great value
You don't respect me, i can't respect you to me people who say the spiritual world does not exist are just as delusional as you think i am. Myself and many others have experienced it Talking to some of you people is like talking to a blind person about color they can never fully get it. Perhaps people who experience the spiritual have a sense that you don't have. -
I despise Materialism and i am not talking about the love of money the viewpoint that says all that exist is matter is ? and even science is coming around to that fact
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Right, but the subjective(in the mind) experience that is true for you may not be necessarily true for someone elses mind(or subjective reality), nor does your subjective experience have any bearing on objective(outside the mind) reality.I do not believe that EVERYTHING has to be objective, to me subjective experience has great value
You're penalizing people for not having the same subjective reality as you, but we never could because we're not you!
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I think spirit/mind is one in the same. Real question is what happens to it when we die? Does it die with the physical body or is it something beyond that. I need that answer. Nobody ? has it.
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Freeman...... wrote: »I think spirit/mind is one in the same. Real question is what happens to it when we die? Does it die with the physical body or is it something beyond that. I need that answer. Nobody ? has it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VXiF1MRvIE -
They absolutely exist
I have some in my house
I call them vodka, scotch and cognac
You know why alcohol is called spirits? -
And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
I don't think you're schizophrenic just delusional.I am not schizophrenic.
You're right some people are delusional while other are not.We are all not the same.some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve
Why believe something like a spirit exist if it can't objectively and repeatably be shown to exist?
Let me show you how silly your arguments sounds...
"How can people not believe in genies? some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve"
Well many people have actually repeatedly experienced these things that's why they believe know because it got pounded into their head until they got the point. I'm talking about overt ? like repeatedly seeing apparitions, things like that. People always like to talk like belief in these things is just a preference and not based off real life occurrences. In reality many people have more of a logical reason to believe in spirits than certain scientific principles. -
Cuz it puts people in too many kinds of spirits? -
BiblicalAtheist wrote: »
Right, but the subjective(in the mind) experience that is true for you may not be necessarily true for someone elses mind(or subjective reality), nor does your subjective experience have any bearing on objective(outside the mind) reality.I do not believe that EVERYTHING has to be objective, to me subjective experience has great value
You're penalizing people for not having the same subjective reality as you, but we never could because we're not you!
There are somethings that are collectively subjective meaning anyone who experiences it will have a similar experience but will lack a way to objectively prove the reality of what they experienced without personal input.
being subjective is more like giving a opinion about the reality you experienced it does not invalidate an experiences reality, a subjective experience is not based on imagination it's a personal perspective not an invention of the mind. -
And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
I don't think you're schizophrenic just delusional.I am not schizophrenic.
You're right some people are delusional while other are not.We are all not the same.some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve
Why believe something like a spirit exist if it can't objectively and repeatably be shown to exist?
Let me show you how silly your arguments sounds...
"How can people not believe in genies? some people just cannot see they are blind, third eye is closed they are spiritually ? blind deaf and dumb. If you hold to a purely physical view of reality how the ? are you going to comprehend the spiritual?? you cannot and won't evolve"
The would genie is taken from the Arabic word for a spirit, which they called Djinni.
So basically nothing you said was any different than what he Proposed.
The science you worship acknowledges the existence of multiple dimensions. Just because it is too infantile to foray into the topography of said planes doesn't make the multitude of schools whom profess to train people in activating the faculties that make travel and perception of said planes any less legit.
In other words, there are ways to experience it yourself. You're just too lazy to take the time to research and apply the knowledge. -
That's fine but please don't expect anyone to take what you believe as fact. We scientists and engineers have an obligation to believe what is true. Things subjective can never shown to be true and honestly, there isn't a good reason to believe it.I do not believe that EVERYTHING has to be objective, to me subjective experience has great value
This is far from the truth. "A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary." There is no superior evidence that a spirit world exist. Until something can be shown to be true, you don't believe in it. That's not delusion, that's called being a rational human being.You don't respect me, i can't respect you to me people who say the spiritual world does not exist are just as delusional as you think i am.
Which is more likely? The laws of the physical universe momentarily ceased to exist or you misinterpreted what you saw?Myself and many others have experienced it Talking to some of you people is like talking to a blind person about color they can never fully get it. Perhaps people who experience the spiritual have a sense that you don't have.
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The would genie is taken from the Arabic word for a spirit, which they called Djinni.
umm yes this is a well known fact. What's your point? Any spiritual entity could have been used in my example.
Umm yes they're vastly different. I could explain the difference if you have troubles understanding.So basically nothing you said was any different than what he Proposed.
I don't worship anything but if something had to be worshiped it would be the thing that vastly improved everyone's life and living expectancy like science.The science you worshipacknowledges the existence of multiple dimensions. Just because it is too infantile to foray into the topography of said planes doesn't make the multitude of schools whom profess to train people in activating the faculties that make travel and perception of said planes any less legit.
Please don't pretend to be scientifically literate. You'll embarrass your self. First of all, the minority of cosmologists that do believe in multi universes do not believe these are of supernatural origin or nature so your point is moot regardless. Even so, it's only conjecture and not a proven scientific theory. . There isn't a overwhelming majority of scientist that believes in such.In other words, there are ways to experience it yourself. You're just too lazy to take the time to research and apply the knowledge.
Not lazy just too rational to believe in pseudoscience.
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And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
That's fine but please don't expect anyone to take what you believe as fact. We scientists and engineers have an obligation to believe what is true. Things subjective can never shown to be true and honestly, there isn't a good reason to believe it.I do not believe that EVERYTHING has to be objective, to me subjective experience has great value
This is far from the truth. "A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary." There is no superior evidence that a spirit world exist. Until something can be shown to be true, you don't believe in it. That's not delusion, that's called being a rational human being.You don't respect me, i can't respect you to me people who say the spiritual world does not exist are just as delusional as you think i am.
Which is more likely? The laws of the physical universe momentarily ceased to exist or you misinterpreted what you saw?Myself and many others have experienced it Talking to some of you people is like talking to a blind person about color they can never fully get it. Perhaps people who experience the spiritual have a sense that you don't have.
I don't care if you take it as fact or not that's not why i come into these kinds of threads. The only reasons i need to believe in anything is my own. You don't want to place any importance on subjective experience that's fine but don't disparage those of us who do, or act as if you have the answers because you don't.
what superior evidence do you have that makes my subjective experience of the supernatural a delusion?? none and ANYTHING THAT IS logically possible can be believed to be real and the rejection of any logical possibility no mater how unlikely is not rational, unless you can prove that a possibility is an impossibility YOU CANNOT positively make a claim about it's reality. You cannot use conventional methods to define the supernatural.
WE DON'T HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PHYSICAL LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE so to just dismiss the interpretation of any individuals experience without hard proof of the contrary is pure arrogance.
I have a degree in science and what is "true" is murky as ? especially when it comes to certain sciences so don't give me the science is the sole determining factor on truth ? . -
And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
The would genie is taken from the Arabic word for a spirit, which they called Djinni.
umm yes this is a well known fact. What's your point? Any spiritual entity could have been used in my example.
Umm yes they're vastly different. I could explain the difference if you have troubles understanding.So basically nothing you said was any different than what he Proposed.
I don't worship anything but if something had to be worshiped it would be the thing that vastly improved everyone's life and living expectancy like science.The science you worshipacknowledges the existence of multiple dimensions. Just because it is too infantile to foray into the topography of said planes doesn't make the multitude of schools whom profess to train people in activating the faculties that make travel and perception of said planes any less legit.
Please don't pretend to be scientifically literate. You'll embarrass your self. First of all, the minority of cosmologists that do believe in multi universes do not believe these are of supernatural origin or nature so your point is moot regardless. Even so, it's only conjecture and not a proven scientific theory. . There isn't a overwhelming majority of scientist that believes in such.In other words, there are ways to experience it yourself. You're just too lazy to take the time to research and apply the knowledge.
Not lazy just too rational to believe in pseudoscience.
HAS science vastly improved human life?? an argument could be made that the creations of science are actively killing the entire planet and human life being longer does not equal life being better. Science might not fully accept multiple dimension as really existing but science does not categorically rejects it's possibility either which is hypocrisy. -
And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
The would genie is taken from the Arabic word for a spirit, which they called Djinni.
umm yes this is a well known fact. What's your point? Any spiritual entity could have been used in my example.
Umm yes they're vastly different. I could explain the difference if you have troubles understanding.So basically nothing you said was any different than what he Proposed.
I don't worship anything but if something had to be worshiped it would be the thing that vastly improved everyone's life and living expectancy like science.The science you worshipacknowledges the existence of multiple dimensions. Just because it is too infantile to foray into the topography of said planes doesn't make the multitude of schools whom profess to train people in activating the faculties that make travel and perception of said planes any less legit.
Please don't pretend to be scientifically literate. You'll embarrass your self. First of all, the minority of cosmologists that do believe in multi universes do not believe these are of supernatural origin or nature so your point is moot regardless. Even so, it's only conjecture and not a proven scientific theory. . There isn't a overwhelming majority of scientist that believes in such.In other words, there are ways to experience it yourself. You're just too lazy to take the time to research and apply the knowledge.
Not lazy just too rational to believe in pseudoscience.
HAS science vastly improved human life?? an argument could be made that the creations of science are actively killing the entire planet and human life being longer does not equal life being better. Science might not fully accept multiple dimension as really existing but science does not categorically rejects it's possibility either which is hypocrisy.
This is by far the most ignorant thing you've said. Has science improved human life? Look at the correlation between technological, medical, agricultural and biological advances and life expectancy. Science has eradicated small pox for crying out loud.
Lol longer human life doens't equal life being better? I'm done you gave the false impression of being a critical thinker. People take everyday scientific advancements for granted. Do you think life was better in the dark ages as opposed to now lmao....I'm done
