US to Re establish Diplomatic Ties with Cuba
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*putting on conspiracy brotha hat*If that comes to pass will they try to have Assata Shakur and other Pathers and activist there arrested? IDK why on surface this seems good but my gut feels there is something backhanded about this.
The more I think on it makes sense to get access to cuba since I am really starting to feel a revolution is brewing in the US. The powers be that most def do not want activist like Assata and the other soldiers over there still in "play" so to speak, getting at or assisting any of the people at the forefront of whats happening right now. IDK maybe I'm crazy but if this is chess and not checkers why not remove all dangers
yeah i don't think Assata Shakur is the main reason for reopening relations with Cuba -
The_Jackal wrote: »Communism is one of the greatest evils in the world. It's a system thatch I'll always ? over the workimg man no matter what he does.
You're a little off with this statement my brother. On paper Communism is perfect for all involved IF we lived in a society were hate,greed and dictatorship was not around. Communism is believing that we all work for the better for all and whatever work is done and profits made off it gets broken down equally to all. Basically everyone shares in the riches BUT that doesn't work in this society. People won't share their wealth to those struggling and those in power will not share their power.
Capitalism is not as great as people make it out to be.
Socialism is the merger of both and that gets laughed at by most governments.
I'm not. Everyone uses the excuse that on paper communism shound be this great utopia but in reality all countries that have placed communism as their main economic system countless abuse their power. Capitalism is the best system out there because regardless of who you are you always have a chance to make it big without having to worry about firing squads. As far as Socialism gpes it's always has been and while be a big part of America -
The question that needs to be answered is what does Cuba have to give up or owe in order for this.
Beyond that...
What do they have that we can use?
Will Cuba get more Monsanto GMO foods?
Now that the U.S. "negros" of today showed their willingness for civil unrest will we get a closer offshore testing ground for biological/psychological experiments?
Will we get a closer training ground for police militarization experiments?
Will we get a new patsy to get nuked if ww3 pops off?
Will we get a big(ger) ass state export jail for a new class of crime? -
*putting on conspiracy brotha hat*If that comes to pass will they try to have Assata Shakur and other Pathers and activist there arrested? IDK why on surface this seems good but my gut feels there is something backhanded about this.
The more I think on it makes sense to get access to cuba since I am really starting to feel a revolution is brewing in the US. The powers be that most def do not want activist like Assata and the other soldiers over there still in "play" so to speak, getting at or assisting any of the people at the forefront of whats happening right now. IDK maybe I'm crazy but if this is chess and not checkers why not remove all dangers
yeah i don't think Assata Shakur is the main reason for reopening relations with Cuba
Me either just talking, I'm a discussion mood today and was already reading some stuff about her when all thithis was announced. -
yall going overboard now
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The one thing I would like this president to do is pardon all the black political prisoners from the 70's.
Me too but didn't Obama make the move to get Assata on the FBI most wanted list (1st female ever) and raise the reward on her to 2million? Don't seem like he'd pardon her after all that.
Yeah but that's while he was in office I just hope he does the right thing when he has nothing to lose -
*putting on conspiracy brotha hat*If that comes to pass will they try to have Assata Shakur and other Pathers and activist there arrested? IDK why on surface this seems good but my gut feels there is something backhanded about this.
The more I think on it makes sense to get access to cuba since I am really starting to feel a revolution is brewing in the US. The powers be that most def do not want activist like Assata and the other soldiers over there still in "play" so to speak, getting at or assisting any of the people at the forefront of whats happening right now. IDK maybe I'm crazy but if this is chess and not checkers why not remove all dangers
yeah i don't think Assata Shakur is the main reason for reopening relations with Cuba
Me either just talking, I'm a discussion mood today and was already reading some stuff about her when all thithis was announced.
this agreement is economically driven, like all things. look how the stocks have responded. and its better for the region in general, especially for the average Cuban. ithink people are overblowing this a little. if you read what they are doing its not anything radical. just a normalization of relations. we have relations and trade with Vietnam and China (communist nations) why not Cuba? -
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I'm happy for them Cubanos if this brings prosperity to their country. ? their racist ass Republican cousins in Miami though.
This certainly will shake up tourism in the Caribbean. Other islands may suffer for it. My ? already hit me up about going there for a vacay.
With ? hitting up cooba them prostitutes gonna get worn out...but at least business will b booming for them.
And idt u have to b a conspiracy theorists to think the u.s. has ulterior motives. These murican ? don't do ? unless it benefits them in some way long term. -
Fidel dead or something
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dalyricalbandit wrote: »Fidel dead or something
Hell never die lol -
The one thing I would like this president to do is pardon all the black political prisoners from the 70's.
Me too but didn't Obama make the move to get Assata on the FBI most wanted list (1st female ever) and raise the reward on her to 2million? Don't seem like he'd pardon her after all that.
Don't think this is correct, she was on the list for a while, google will solve this.
Obama make moves on the low, just padding his stats right now. Sometimes he ? me off but I agree with this move -
Entrepreneurs are about to flood down there and buy up property.
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fortyacres&amule wrote: »I hate the Russian government with a passion , you ? a plane full of innocent civilian of a foreign nationand no one is answerable.
Shiet is discustin
american drones have killed alotta civilians too b
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black caesar wrote: »Entrepreneurs are about to flood down there and buy up property.
Don't think that's legal. -
leftcoastkev wrote: »Will we get a new patsy to get nuked if ww3 pops off?
Ya'll must play Civilization 5 too much cuz those days are long over lol. Most people don't realize the early 80s were the most dangerous part of the Cold War. Soviet nuclear doctrine was to drop MULTIPLE nukes (each 100x+ more powerful than Hiroshima mind you) on each target to compensate for poor missile accuracy. Even Africa & the Middle East woulda gotten lit up in that scenario. (apartheid South Africa had nukes btw and Israel can literally wipe out 90%+ of Egypt's population with one bomb on the Aswan High Dam)
Woulda been far worse than a Cuban Missile Crisis WW3, which the U.S actually would've "won" because they had 8x more warheards and USSR only had a few dozen ICBMs that could reach us back then. (50+ million Americans dead sure but Europe would basically be a gravel parking lot and Russian would be a dead language)
Many Soviets really believed Reagan's tough talk meant he WANTED a nuclear war.......? idiot.......thank ? there were cooler heads in Moscow. They said his ? ass cried when he watched The Day After....lol @ needing a TV movie to realize NUCLEAR WAR IS A BAD IDEA.
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*gone readin up on assata shakur*
i feel dumb as hell rite now, idk what/who yall talkin bout rite now -
fortyacres&amule wrote: »fortyacres&amule wrote: »I hate the Russian government with a passion , you ? a plane full of innocent civilian of a foreign nationand no one is answerable.
Shiet is discustin
american drones have killed alotta civilians too b
Your point being?
That your previous post is invalid. -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Communism is one of the greatest evils in the world. It's a system thatch I'll always ? over the workimg man no matter what he does.
You're a little off with this statement my brother. On paper Communism is perfect for all involved IF we lived in a society were hate,greed and dictatorship was not around. Communism is believing that we all work for the better for all and whatever work is done and profits made off it gets broken down equally to all. Basically everyone shares in the riches BUT that doesn't work in this society. People won't share their wealth to those struggling and those in power will not share their power.
Capitalism is not as great as people make it out to be.
Socialism is the merger of both and that gets laughed at by most governments.
I'm not. Everyone uses the excuse that on paper communism shound be this great utopia but in reality all countries that have placed communism as their main economic system countless abuse their power. Capitalism is the best system out there because regardless of who you are you always have a chance to make it big without having to worry about firing squads. As far as Socialism gpes it's always has been and while be a big part of America
Bruh power has and always will be abused in any system, that is the way of human nature.
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"compiracy".....?
these old-ass cuban exiles in Florida need to sit the ? down, b -
Bully_Pulpit wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Communism is one of the greatest evils in the world. It's a system thatch I'll always ? over the workimg man no matter what he does.
You're a little off with this statement my brother. On paper Communism is perfect for all involved IF we lived in a society were hate,greed and dictatorship was not around. Communism is believing that we all work for the better for all and whatever work is done and profits made off it gets broken down equally to all. Basically everyone shares in the riches BUT that doesn't work in this society. People won't share their wealth to those struggling and those in power will not share their power.
Capitalism is not as great as people make it out to be.
Socialism is the merger of both and that gets laughed at by most governments.
I'm not. Everyone uses the excuse that on paper communism shound be this great utopia but in reality all countries that have placed communism as their main economic system countless abuse their power. Capitalism is the best system out there because regardless of who you are you always have a chance to make it big without having to worry about firing squads. As far as Socialism gpes it's always has been and while be a big part of America
Bruh power has and always will be abused in any system, that is the way of human nature.
We know this. Point I was making was that communism generally horrible and capitalism is better in everyway -
Long overdue. They are probably doing this because the communism isn't as strict as it used to be. Definitely will be some backdoor sweetheart deals made
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Cuba’s head of North American affairs, Josefina Vidal, speaks during an interview with The... Read more
HAVANA (AP) — Cuba said Monday that it has a right to grant asylum to U.S. fugitives, the clearest sign yet that the communist government has no intention of extraditing America's most-wanted woman despite the warming of bilateral ties.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has urged President Barack Obama to demand the return of fugitive Joanne Chesimard before restoring full relations under a historic detente announced by Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro last week.
Chesimard was granted asylum by Fidel Castro after she escaped from the prison where she was serving a sentence for killing a New Jersey state trooper in 1973 during a gunbattle after being stopped on the New Jersey Turnpike.
Asked if returning fugitives was open to negotiation, Cuba's head of North American affairs, Josefina Vidal, told The Associated Press that "every nation has sovereign and legitimate rights to grant political asylum to people it considers to have been persecuted. ... That's a legitimate right."
"We've explained to the U.S. government in the past that there are some people living in Cuba to whom Cuba has legitimately granted political asylum," Vidal said.
"There's no extradition treaty in effect between Cuba and the U.S.," she added.
In a letter to the White House made public Sunday, Christie said Cuba's asylum for Chesimard, who has changed her name to Assata Shakur, was "an affront to every resident of our state, our country, and in particular, the men and women of the New Jersey State Police, who have tirelessly tried to bring this killer back to justice."
Later Monday, during a live interview with a local television anchor, Christie responded to Vidal's statement that Cuba has the right to grant to political asylum to those who have been persecuted.
"So Joanne Chesimard, a cold-blooded cop-killer, convicted by a jury of her peers, in what is without question the fairest and most just criminal justice system in the world — certainly much more just than anything that's happened in Cuba under the Castro brothers. She is now, according to an official of the Cuban government, persecuted," he said.
He added, "these thugs in Cuba have given her political asylum for 30 years. It's unacceptable."
The first woman ever placed on the FBI's most-wanted terrorist list was living so openly in Havana that her number was listed in the phone book.
The FBI and the New Jersey State Police have offered a $2 million reward for information leading to Shakur's capture.
Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the White House's National Security Council, said the Obama administration will "continue to press in our engagement with the Cuban government for the return of U.S. fugitives in Cuba to pursue justice for the victims of their crimes."
Several infamous convicts and suspects in high-profile American cases live openly in Cuba, as are others convicted of less serious crimes. Among these are a woman convicted of killing a police officer four decades ago, a man sought for a 31-year-old armed robbery, airplane hijackers and dozens of people accused of Medicare and insurance fraud.
Cuba occasionally returns people convicted or suspected of committing crimes in the U.S., but it doesn't observe traditional extradition and refuses to send anyone back for a crime Havana considers political in nature, according to the State Department.
The Castro government's frequent position on returning fugitives has been to ask for the U.S. to return people wanted in Cuba.
"We've reminded the U.S. government that in its country they've given shelter to dozens and dozens of Cuban citizens," Vidal said. "Some of them accused of horrible crimes, some accused of terrorism, murder and kidnapping, and in every case the U.S. government has decided to welcome them."
In Cuba's first detailed public response to Obama's historic announcement last week, Vidal said Cuba is open to all of Obama's moves to improve relations and strengthen private enterprise and civil society on the island. That includes U.S. equipment to improve the Cuban Internet and U.S. exports to Cuba's new class of private business owners.
"Our president has said we welcome President Obama's decision to introduce the most significant changes in relations with Cuba in 54 years," Vidal said. "That includes the entire package."
Cuba has historically imposed heavy regulations on the Internet and private business as it has blamed the U.S. embargo for the problems of the island's stagnant economy.
Vidal said the U.S. has been to blame for Cuba's economic problems, which include crumbling infrastructure, low levels of foreign investment and rates of Internet access that are among the lowest in the world. The opening is an opportunity to show what the country can do unshackled, she said.
"Look back. When have you seen a negative response to the American government removing any type of restriction?" Vidal said. "What we say is, 'Get rid of the excuse and put us to the test!'"
Cuba is waiting to see exactly how the Obama administration will implement the changes, she said.
Obama's announcement included a very general list of reforms and left a series of open questions about how far the U.S. could go to create deeper economic ties with Cuba. The Commerce and Treasury departments are expected to begin publishing details of the new measures in coming weeks, changes that will include relaxation of the stringent rules governing American travel to Cuba.
Vidal said Cuba would only know how it would manage its end of the new relationship once the American government plan was clearer.
"We have to see how we are going to implement things," she said.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/abc2...30b9/cuba-were-open-every-part-obamas-detente
