How is the military currently defending my freedom?

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  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LUClEN wrote: »
    A lot of the benefits of "freedom" are only. Beneficial to the wealthy. Which is why so many of them support things like laissez-faire economics

    Let me guess you are some kind of socialist.
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Government interference in most markets must be kept at a minimum to ensure the prosperity and freedom of the people
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    zombie wrote: »
    America kept Saddam in power that was our method of keeping stability for those 29 years until that idiot Bush ? ? up. Who cares how he felt his feelings were irrelevant.

    Iran was a ? up that I will admit but america did the right thing in south America. The ussr was our enemy fool they had nukes we had to keep their influence in our hemisphere weak. Remember the Cuban missile crisis??? We could not allow Soviet forces to get that close to us.

    Why should we stop China from building up those island's ??? Most of them are under international legal dispute. If they try to use military violence then we should step in other than that we really don't have a justification to stop them.

    As for north Korea, America is definitely keeping them in check. the vision you have of America is faulty we don't just make decisions without thinking about our allies there are forces in south Korea that don't want us to deal too strongly with north Korea they believe the north will collapse and reunite eventually so they don't want to use violence.

    America wasn't the only one propping up Saddam, just so you know. The Europeans helped prop him up too, along with most of the Arab world. When Saddam's Iraq was going broke fighting the Iranians in the 80s, it was mostly Arab nations that lent his nation money. So don't make it seem like America was the main one helping him stay in power. And you admit America took Saddam out, ANOTHER example of Americans destabilizing things. And destabilizing Latin America to keep the USSR's influence in our hemisphere weak PROVES my point America DOES NOT stabilize the world. America DESTABILIZED Latin America to keep USSR influence weak in the western hemisphere. It was morally wrong for America to help ? thousands of Latin Americans who wanted their nations closer to the USSR. People voting in Latin America to be closer to USSR, whatever happened to America liking democracy? Oh yeah, I forgot America hates democracy when it doesn't favor American interests. You're a John Mccain type imperialist, so that doesn't bother you. The IC sees you for who you are now, a John Mccain/? Cheney type. Shame on you.

    As far as North Korea, no America does NOT keep them in check, what the ? does America do to keep North Korea in check? Sanctions? China is still propping up their leadership, the Kim family has ruled that nation for generations now. And you AGAIN proved my point in that America ALSO does not keep China in check, America isn't doing NADA to stop China from building those islands, they are violating other nations' space according to Japan, Vietnam and others. Has America put sanctions on China? Has it used military power to stop China from building those islands? NO AND NO. Your arguments are WEAK and getting more pathetic as time goes on.

  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    janklow wrote: »
    Oh without a doubt America has better racial policies then ? Germany, that's why I mentioned WW2. If ? Germany and Japan won against America, who knows what would have happened here.
    *handshake signifying temporary agreement*
    And America isn't doing ? to contain China, are you paying attention to the news?? China is ALREADY building big islands near Vietnam, Japan, and other nations. America can't do ? to stop China from doing what it wants, what the ? is America gonna do about China building those islands?
    you know that there's less reason to fuss about something that makes China's neighbors mistrust China and look to the US, though, right?

    Sure, but people shouldn't pretend America is keeping China in check when China is blatantly building islands RIGHT NEXT to other nations, disregarding their space lol. I mean.....how the ? is America keeping China in check, in ANY measure.
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chess not checkers. China building those island's Wil only serve our interests. And don't fool yourself during the cold war Europe would not have funded Saddam had we not wished it.

    You seem unable to see the bigger picture even in history. Yes America destabilized some south American nations but in the process we stablized the world and stopped the spread of communism which was more important. ? morals stop being naive and childish. During the cold war America had to practice real politic.

    ? like I told you already south Korea does not want us to be to harsh militarily with the north. But we do keep them in check because technically they are still at war with the south. And our military presence is stopping an invasion.
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    "we", when did you become american zombie

    I am an American citizen I became one in 2011. While the USA is far from perfect and has a ? history it is in my personal interest and the interest of most nations of the world for America to stay the top dog militarily and politically.

    ? forbid China or Russia become the driving force in this world.

    i thought you were expatriating to Ghana? what happened?
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    "we", when did you become american zombie

    I am an American citizen I became one in 2011. While the USA is far from perfect and has a ? history it is in my personal interest and the interest of most nations of the world for America to stay the top dog militarily and politically.

    ? forbid China or Russia become the driving force in this world.

    i thought you were expatriating to Ghana? what happened?

    I am when I get older
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh
  • zombie
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    The actions of china have angered

    Vietnam, the Philippines,south Korea,Japan and other neighbors this only serves our purposes in the region a more aggressive Japan also serves our interests.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    zombie wrote: »
    Chess not checkers. China building those island's Wil only serve our interests. And don't fool yourself during the cold war Europe would not have funded Saddam had we not wished it.

    You seem unable to see the bigger picture even in history. Yes America destabilized some south American nations but in the process we stablized the world and stopped the spread of communism which was more important. ? morals stop being naive and childish. During the cold war America had to practice real politic.

    ? like I told you already south Korea does not want us to be to harsh militarily with the north. But we do keep them in check because technically they are still at war with the south. And our military presence is stopping an invasion.

    How do you figure destabilizing South American nations was good for the world? Why was it so important to stop communism, so what if a bunch of nations wanted to be communist? Let me guess, America wouldn't be as rich if other nations went communist? LOL thanks for proving yet again America cares more about corporate interests then freedom of people. I guess you supported the Vietnam War too right smh....

    As far as America's presence in South Korea stopping a North Korean invasion, that could be a solid point, I admit that. But isn't North Korea's nuclear program gaining strength all the time? The reality is, China AND America keep NK in check, not just America. I highly doubt China would want a poor nation like NK trying to invade a well off one like SK.
  • zombie
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    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity
  • LUClEN
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    zombie wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    A lot of the benefits of "freedom" are only. Beneficial to the wealthy. Which is why so many of them support things like laissez-faire economics

    Let me guess you are some kind of socialist.

    Depends how you define it

    I don't think putting limits on capitalism makes one a socialist though


    It's just dumb to have a system where the wealthy can do whatever the hell they want
    power corrupts
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive

    Russia was never going to take over the world
    How'd Southeast Asia go? The Domino theory has been proven wrong
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive

    Russia was never going to take over the world
    How'd Southeast Asia go? The Domino theory has been proven wrong

    Russia would have taken over the world or as much as they could have gotten. once again stop being naive back when russia was still just a monarchy it always had a policy of being as big as possible to provide defense and fall back points.

    EVEN IF the domino theory was wrong the usa could not take that risk.
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive

    Russia was never going to take over the world
    How'd Southeast Asia go? The Domino theory has been proven wrong

    Russia would have taken over the world or as much as they could have gotten. once again stop being naive back when russia was still just a monarchy it always had a policy of being as big as possible to provide defense and fall back points.

    EVEN IF the domino theory was wrong the usa could not take that risk.

    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing. Vietnam War solved nothing. CIA involvement in the Caribbean, Africa, Asia, and Latin America solved nothing. All it caused was blowback
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    What gives America the RIGHT to act in so ? and self righteous a manner to OVERTHROW democratically elected governments though? Might makes right huh? If that's the case, there's nothing wrong with using violence to solve all of our problems and DIFFERENCES? People like that usually are called terrorists, are you admitting America is a terrorist nation that forces its way of life upon others?
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive

    Russia was never going to take over the world
    How'd Southeast Asia go? The Domino theory has been proven wrong

    Russia would have taken over the world or as much as they could have gotten. once again stop being naive back when russia was still just a monarchy it always had a policy of being as big as possible to provide defense and fall back points.

    EVEN IF the domino theory was wrong the usa could not take that risk.

    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing. Vietnam War solved nothing. CIA involvement in the Caribbean, Africa, Asia, and Latin America solved nothing. All it caused was blowback

    You would be a horrible leader you want to hope and wait that your enemy does not take the whole ? cake. did you forget the cuban missile crisis when russia wanted to put nuclear weapons basically right off our coast that would have been able to hit us before we could fire back. You don't take those kinds of risks when you are good leader.
  • janklow
    janklow Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    I mean.....how the ? is America keeping China in check, in ANY measure.
    beyond economic ties that prevent China from going hog-wild?
    you don't have to prevent China from doing every random thing they want to do to "keep them in check."
    AggyAF wrote: »
    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing.
    uh... this war literally stopped South Korea from being invaded and turned into an extension of a terrible Communist country?
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    I mean.....how the ? is America keeping China in check, in ANY measure.
    beyond economic ties that prevent China from going hog-wild?
    you don't have to prevent China from doing every random thing they want to do to "keep them in check."
    AggyAF wrote: »
    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing.
    uh... this war literally stopped South Korea from being invaded and turned into an extension of a terrible Communist country?

    And then what? South Korea, one nation out of 150+
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive

    Russia was never going to take over the world
    How'd Southeast Asia go? The Domino theory has been proven wrong

    Russia would have taken over the world or as much as they could have gotten. once again stop being naive back when russia was still just a monarchy it always had a policy of being as big as possible to provide defense and fall back points.

    EVEN IF the domino theory was wrong the usa could not take that risk.

    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing. Vietnam War solved nothing. CIA involvement in the Caribbean, Africa, Asia, and Latin America solved nothing. All it caused was blowback

    You would be a horrible leader you want to hope and wait that your enemy does not take the whole ? cake. did you forget the cuban missile crisis when russia wanted to put nuclear weapons basically right off our coast that would have been able to hit us before we could fire back. You don't take those kinds of risks when you are good leader.

    The cuban missile crisis had nothing to do with taking the initiative.

    Tell me, you think Jamaica is better off because the cia got involved?
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AggyAF wrote: »
    janklow wrote: »
    I mean.....how the ? is America keeping China in check, in ANY measure.
    beyond economic ties that prevent China from going hog-wild?
    you don't have to prevent China from doing every random thing they want to do to "keep them in check."
    AggyAF wrote: »
    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing.
    uh... this war literally stopped South Korea from being invaded and turned into an extension of a terrible Communist country?

    And then what? South Korea, one nation out of 150+
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    AggyAF wrote: »
    lol communism was going to fail by itself, we didn't need to screw up half the countries in the world

    Communism was going to fail but the Russian were to strong we could take the chance. What did you want America to do wait and hope foh

    not ? up half the third world with the cia and useless wars/interventions
    zombie wrote: »
    Since the defeat of the Soviet union the world has become more democratic and more developed had America not dealt with them more people of the world would have been in misery. Say what you want about it's flaws but the democratic capitalist system works and is currently the best system for humanity

    not for everyone

    They did not have a choice they could not just let russia swallow the whole world, not every one is going to live great or succeed in a capitalist system. not all nations are going to be as developed as the others but all are given the chance to fight, economically fight for it and the smart and crafty come out on top.

    this is the real world stop being so naive

    Russia was never going to take over the world
    How'd Southeast Asia go? The Domino theory has been proven wrong

    Russia would have taken over the world or as much as they could have gotten. once again stop being naive back when russia was still just a monarchy it always had a policy of being as big as possible to provide defense and fall back points.

    EVEN IF the domino theory was wrong the usa could not take that risk.

    the only place in danger of Russian takeover was Central and Western Europe. thats it. Korean War solved nothing. Vietnam War solved nothing. CIA involvement in the Caribbean, Africa, Asia, and Latin America solved nothing. All it caused was blowback

    You would be a horrible leader you want to hope and wait that your enemy does not take the whole ? cake. did you forget the cuban missile crisis when russia wanted to put nuclear weapons basically right off our coast that would have been able to hit us before we could fire back. You don't take those kinds of risks when you are good leader.

    The cuban missile crisis had nothing to do with taking the initiative.

    Tell me, you think Jamaica is better off because the cia got involved?

    The Cuban missile crisis had everything to do with American taking the initiative as it served as an example of what an expanding Soviet union would do. If caused us to be even more afraid of communism and rightfully so.

    As for Jamaica, let's put it this way my family and I are not pnp supporters.so yes long term Jamaica was better of even through the cia possible involvement in our political system caused a lot of troubles that we are still dealing with. what we have now is better than turning into another cuba.
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't believe in socialism. I hate communism.
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even with it's dark side capitalism is by far the superior system. Everywhere that communist nonsense was tried in failed it is an intrinsically flawed system.