4 way Civil War in Yemen between Sunnis, Shiites, Al Qaeda, ISIS.....
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This ? is crazy. This country was always a 3rd world ? drone target range but I never envisioned it devolving into a proxy war between the Saudis and Persians.
Map as of 4/17/15. Team Shi'a is Green, Team Sunni is Red, Al Qaeda is Black - they already have considerable manpower and infrastructure in the country; it will take ISIS time to recruit and build in the chaos but they ARE coming.
On 20 March 2015, The al-Badr and al-Hashoosh mosques came under suicide attack during midday prayers. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant quickly claimed responsibility. The blasts killed 142 Houthi worshippers and wounded more than 351, making it the deadliest terrorist attack in Yemen's history.
UN PEACE ENVOY TO YEMEN QUITS AS CIVIL WAR ESCALATES (lol prolly not a good sign)
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A group of 18 Yemen scholars and experts based in the United States and Britain published an open letter decrying the near month-long Saudi bombing campaign in the country. The letter, whose signatories include academics at Harvard, Oxford and Columbia universities, argued the Saudi-led war "is illegal under international law" and urged American and British officials to push for a U.N. Security Council resolution "demanding an immediate, unconditional ceasefire."
According to the United Nations, more than three weeks of Saudi airstrikes and renewed clashes between rival factions on the ground have led to the deaths of some 750 Yemenis and more than 150,000 being forced to flee their homes.
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Concerned about reports of hundreds of civilian casualties, Obama administration officials are increasingly uneasy about the U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led air war against rebel militias in Yemen, opening a potential rift between Washington and its ally in Riyadh.
Backed by U.S. intelligence, air refueling and other support, Saudi warplanes have conducted widespread bombing of Yemeni villages and towns since March 26 but have failed to dislodge the Houthi rebels who have overrun much of the Arab world's poorest nation since last fall.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, widely regarded as the terrorist network's most lethal franchise, has capitalized on the chaos by sharply expanding its reach. Fighters loyal to the group claimed control Thursday of a military base and other key facilities near Mukalla, an Arabian Sea port in southern Yemen.
Pentagon officials, who pride themselves on the care they take to avoid civilian casualties, have watched with growing alarm as Saudi airstrikes have hit what the U.N. this week called "dozens of public buildings," including hospitals, schools, residential areas and mosques. The U.N. said at least 364 civilians have been killed in the campaign.
Although U.S. personnel don't pick the bombing targets, Americans are working beside Saudi military officials to check the accuracy of target lists in a joint operations center in Riyadh, defense officials said. The Pentagon has expedited delivery of GPS-guided "smart" bomb kits to the Saudi air force to replenish supplies.
The U.S. role was quietly stepped up last week after the civilian death toll rose sharply. The number of U.S. personnel was increased from 12 to 20 in the operations center to help vet targets and to perform more precise calculations of bomb blast areas to help avoid civilian casualties.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-us-saudis-20150417-story.html
The Civil War in Yemen is rapidly expanding. We have been forced to close our embassy and military base located there. It is now clear that Obama’s optimism for fighting terrorism in Yemen was misplaced. It hardly sets a standard for dealing with constant conflict and chaos throughout the Middle East. It now looks like the two major participants in this war are Iran and Saudi Arabia. In this region there has been competition between these two nations for hundreds if not thousands of years. The conflict ongoing in Yemen relates to the age-old conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims. It also reflects the contest over who will control the oil in this region. Not only is there a conflict between the Shia of Iran versus the Sunnis of Saudi Arabia, there has been long-term animosity between Arabs and Persians.
Now there are essentially three factions fighting for the control of Yemen. Our support for president Hadi has failed and he is essentially out of power although still involved in the conflict. Former president Saleh, who remains a powerful force in Yemen, is taking advantage of the chaos in his desire to return to power. So far the various factions that we have supported over the years have been poor choices, as usual. Today the, Houthis, supported by Iran, seem to be the ones who have gained the upper hand. However there’s no sign that this civil war will soon end or without major ramifications throughout the Middle East and maybe even beyond.
This turn of events will not make the neoconservatives happy, nor will this go unnoticed by the Saudis. It seems that al-Qaeda has gained the grassroots support from a large number of Yemeni citizens. Currently the chaos in the three-way battle for control of Yemen will guarantee that even though we have been literally run out of Yemen, our interests will remain. Being “allies” of sorts with the Iranians in Iraq will not carry over to the US sympathizing with the Iranian growing influence in in Yemen.
The Iranian supported rebels, who have gained the upper hand, have been blessed with $500 million worth of weaponry that we left behind in our rapid retreat. This is obviously not a new development considering the fact it’s getting to be commonplace and happening wherever we go. This is of course the very same situation that occurred in Syria and Iraq when the troops that we supported dissipated once they encountered military opposition. One thing is for certain: the military-industrial complex will not suffer and more weapons will flow into the region.
Hopefully someday our government officials will wake up. The counterinsurgency doctrine that was supposed to be the answer to all our military shortcomings is a total failure. This idea that we can run an Empire with military threats, missiles, and economic sanctions is a fallacy. A goal of military intimidation without the military troops necessary to maintain control of country we occupy, never works. The policy itself is foolish even if we did send our troops, because we are seen as the outsiders, coming from 6000 miles away, getting involved in internal affairs and civil strife and border disputes and religious wars that is highly resented by the citizens of the countries involved.
Though we have left Yemen, to a large degree we will not go far. Our CIA will remain. The drone missiles will continue. Financing different factions will probably accelerate. We can be certain that our government, whether run by Republicans or Democrats, will be prepared to use military force once it’s decided it’s necessary to restrain Iran and protect Saudi oil.
- Ron Paul on March 26th
http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2015/03/25/how-will-the-yemeni-civil-war-end/
Map as of 4/17/15. Team Shi'a is Green, Team Sunni is Red, Al Qaeda is Black - they already have considerable manpower and infrastructure in the country; it will take ISIS time to recruit and build in the chaos but they ARE coming.
On 20 March 2015, The al-Badr and al-Hashoosh mosques came under suicide attack during midday prayers. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant quickly claimed responsibility. The blasts killed 142 Houthi worshippers and wounded more than 351, making it the deadliest terrorist attack in Yemen's history.
UN PEACE ENVOY TO YEMEN QUITS AS CIVIL WAR ESCALATES (lol prolly not a good sign)
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A group of 18 Yemen scholars and experts based in the United States and Britain published an open letter decrying the near month-long Saudi bombing campaign in the country. The letter, whose signatories include academics at Harvard, Oxford and Columbia universities, argued the Saudi-led war "is illegal under international law" and urged American and British officials to push for a U.N. Security Council resolution "demanding an immediate, unconditional ceasefire."
According to the United Nations, more than three weeks of Saudi airstrikes and renewed clashes between rival factions on the ground have led to the deaths of some 750 Yemenis and more than 150,000 being forced to flee their homes.
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Concerned about reports of hundreds of civilian casualties, Obama administration officials are increasingly uneasy about the U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led air war against rebel militias in Yemen, opening a potential rift between Washington and its ally in Riyadh.
Backed by U.S. intelligence, air refueling and other support, Saudi warplanes have conducted widespread bombing of Yemeni villages and towns since March 26 but have failed to dislodge the Houthi rebels who have overrun much of the Arab world's poorest nation since last fall.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, widely regarded as the terrorist network's most lethal franchise, has capitalized on the chaos by sharply expanding its reach. Fighters loyal to the group claimed control Thursday of a military base and other key facilities near Mukalla, an Arabian Sea port in southern Yemen.
Pentagon officials, who pride themselves on the care they take to avoid civilian casualties, have watched with growing alarm as Saudi airstrikes have hit what the U.N. this week called "dozens of public buildings," including hospitals, schools, residential areas and mosques. The U.N. said at least 364 civilians have been killed in the campaign.
Although U.S. personnel don't pick the bombing targets, Americans are working beside Saudi military officials to check the accuracy of target lists in a joint operations center in Riyadh, defense officials said. The Pentagon has expedited delivery of GPS-guided "smart" bomb kits to the Saudi air force to replenish supplies.
The U.S. role was quietly stepped up last week after the civilian death toll rose sharply. The number of U.S. personnel was increased from 12 to 20 in the operations center to help vet targets and to perform more precise calculations of bomb blast areas to help avoid civilian casualties.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-us-saudis-20150417-story.html
The Civil War in Yemen is rapidly expanding. We have been forced to close our embassy and military base located there. It is now clear that Obama’s optimism for fighting terrorism in Yemen was misplaced. It hardly sets a standard for dealing with constant conflict and chaos throughout the Middle East. It now looks like the two major participants in this war are Iran and Saudi Arabia. In this region there has been competition between these two nations for hundreds if not thousands of years. The conflict ongoing in Yemen relates to the age-old conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims. It also reflects the contest over who will control the oil in this region. Not only is there a conflict between the Shia of Iran versus the Sunnis of Saudi Arabia, there has been long-term animosity between Arabs and Persians.
Now there are essentially three factions fighting for the control of Yemen. Our support for president Hadi has failed and he is essentially out of power although still involved in the conflict. Former president Saleh, who remains a powerful force in Yemen, is taking advantage of the chaos in his desire to return to power. So far the various factions that we have supported over the years have been poor choices, as usual. Today the, Houthis, supported by Iran, seem to be the ones who have gained the upper hand. However there’s no sign that this civil war will soon end or without major ramifications throughout the Middle East and maybe even beyond.
This turn of events will not make the neoconservatives happy, nor will this go unnoticed by the Saudis. It seems that al-Qaeda has gained the grassroots support from a large number of Yemeni citizens. Currently the chaos in the three-way battle for control of Yemen will guarantee that even though we have been literally run out of Yemen, our interests will remain. Being “allies” of sorts with the Iranians in Iraq will not carry over to the US sympathizing with the Iranian growing influence in in Yemen.
The Iranian supported rebels, who have gained the upper hand, have been blessed with $500 million worth of weaponry that we left behind in our rapid retreat. This is obviously not a new development considering the fact it’s getting to be commonplace and happening wherever we go. This is of course the very same situation that occurred in Syria and Iraq when the troops that we supported dissipated once they encountered military opposition. One thing is for certain: the military-industrial complex will not suffer and more weapons will flow into the region.
Hopefully someday our government officials will wake up. The counterinsurgency doctrine that was supposed to be the answer to all our military shortcomings is a total failure. This idea that we can run an Empire with military threats, missiles, and economic sanctions is a fallacy. A goal of military intimidation without the military troops necessary to maintain control of country we occupy, never works. The policy itself is foolish even if we did send our troops, because we are seen as the outsiders, coming from 6000 miles away, getting involved in internal affairs and civil strife and border disputes and religious wars that is highly resented by the citizens of the countries involved.
Though we have left Yemen, to a large degree we will not go far. Our CIA will remain. The drone missiles will continue. Financing different factions will probably accelerate. We can be certain that our government, whether run by Republicans or Democrats, will be prepared to use military force once it’s decided it’s necessary to restrain Iran and protect Saudi oil.
- Ron Paul on March 26th
http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2015/03/25/how-will-the-yemeni-civil-war-end/
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Good let them ? out each other bloodclatt
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Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas are almost perfect, he nails it with that quote....as long as American foreign policy remains horrible and disgusting in its treatment of people worldwide, things will only get worse. America has almost no credibility in that part of the world, I fully predict Al-Qaeda and ISIS will grow larger down the line then even now, ESPECIALLY if American foreign policy doesn't change.
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Anyone who saw the Vice program on Yemen two years ago saw this coming....Al-Qaeda is growing faster then ISIS lately, yet Americans are threatening Iran with military force every few days hahaha.....keep it up Americans....
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seems a little overstatedkingblaze84 wrote: »yet Americans are threatening Iran with military force every few days
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So a lose lose lose lose situation
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Iran is fighting ISIS and Al-Qaeda in the region and America prevented Iranian ships today from dropping off weapons in Yemen.... to protect those who do not wish to live under ISIS and Al-Qaeda. What the hell....the White House wants Al-Qaeda and ISIS to get bigger.....?
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seems a little overstatedkingblaze84 wrote: »yet Americans are threatening Iran with military force every few days
Ok maybe so but how many times have American officials reminded Iran that a military solution is always on the table. Sounds like a threat. -
i think it sounds like posturing, really.kingblaze84 wrote: »Ok maybe so but how many times have American officials reminded Iran that a military solution is always on the table. Sounds like a threat. -
i think it sounds like posturing, really.kingblaze84 wrote: »Ok maybe so but how many times have American officials reminded Iran that a military solution is always on the table. Sounds like a threat.
Maybe but Jeb and Marco Rubio sound very serious about hitting Iran some day. 2016 isn't that far away....hopefully you're right -
obviously if you're going to state it as an option on the table, you've got to sell it a little, but neither Rubio or Jeb is a maniac.kingblaze84 wrote: »Maybe but Jeb and Marco Rubio sound very serious about hitting Iran some day. 2016 isn't that far away....hopefully you're right
which is why no one elects a Donald Trump, you see -
obviously if you're going to state it as an option on the table, you've got to sell it a little, but neither Rubio or Jeb is a maniac.kingblaze84 wrote: »Maybe but Jeb and Marco Rubio sound very serious about hitting Iran some day. 2016 isn't that far away....hopefully you're right
which is why no one elects a Donald Trump, you see
Well let's hope (or I hope) that those American ships aren't too trigger happy if an Iranian ship happens to come by....setting up a blockade is an act of war after all, I'm about 89% certain on that -
Surat 47:4 clearly says to cut the heads of unbelievers off.
Muhammad himself is responsible for beheading over 200 people in some accounts. People @ this forum don't know ? about religion be it Islam Christianity Judaism Hinduism or Buddhism. -
That post was in the wrong thread
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welp.....it's all in there. But are you studying? That is the question! Amen. -
chaos is needed for control. oncebthings become chaotic, its easier to take command.
if all groups are focus...they are hard to take co trol over. -
War is what they want, hopefully something good comes of it... well, if we ever learn anything from our own history
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Surat 47:4 clearly says to cut the heads of unbelievers off.
Muhammad himself is responsible for beheading over 200 people in some accounts. People @ this forum don't know ? about religion be it Islam Christianity Judaism Hinduism or Buddhism.
Sahih International
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
That surat is about war. -
cainvelasquez wrote: »Surat 47:4 clearly says to cut the heads of unbelievers off.
Muhammad himself is responsible for beheading over 200 people in some accounts. People @ this forum don't know ? about religion be it Islam Christianity Judaism Hinduism or Buddhism.
Sahih International
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
That surat is about war.
I know what it's about and Isis is at war .There are many more suras that basically say the same thing or worse -
cainvelasquez wrote: »Surat 47:4 clearly says to cut the heads of unbelievers off.
Muhammad himself is responsible for beheading over 200 people in some accounts. People @ this forum don't know ? about religion be it Islam Christianity Judaism Hinduism or Buddhism.
Sahih International
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
That surat is about war.
And that's what isis is waging
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i think it's in a weird grey area where it is, but no one actually cares.kingblaze84 wrote: »Well let's hope (or I hope) that those American ships aren't too trigger happy if an Iranian ship happens to come by....setting up a blockade is an act of war after all, I'm about 89% certain on that
