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Puerto Rico governor warns island can't pay $72B public debt, report released on economy
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- The governor warned that Puerto Rico can't pay its $72 billion public debt as international economists released a critical report Monday on the island's economy.
The news from Gov. Alejandro Garcia Padilla delivered another jolt to the recession-gripped U.S. island, as well as a world financial system already worrying over Greece's collapsing finances.
Garcia is scheduled to air a pre-recorded televised address late Monday afternoon as legislators continue to debate a $9.8 billion budget that calls for $674 million in cuts and sets aside $1.5 billion to help pay off the debt. The budget has to be approved by Tuesday.
The governor hopes to defer debt payments while negotiating with creditors, spokesman Jesus Manuel Ortiz said late Sunday, confirming comments by Garcia that appeared in a report in The New York Times published that evening.
"There is no other option. I would love to have an easier option. This is not politics, this is math," Garcia is quoted as saying in the Times.
Puerto Rico's bonds were popular with U.S. mutual funds because they were tax-free, but hedge funds and distressed-debt buyers began stepping in to buy up debt as the island's economy worsened and its credit rating dropped.
Garcia's comments will likely not have much impact on Wall Street, said economist Jose Villamil, a former U.N. consultant and CEO of an economic and planning consulting firm.
"The markets are clear that Puerto Rico is heading to a direction of a restructuring or default," said the economist, adding that a voluntary restructuring by bondholders might be the best option.
"The last four administrations have kicked the can down the road," said Villamil. "At this point, there is no more can to kick. So we're going to take some very strict measures and some very profound measures. It's going to hurt, but there's no way out."
A report released Monday by a former World Bank chief economist and others found that Puerto Rico's fiscal debt is larger than originally thought and urged the government to act quickly.
"This is a daunting agenda politically, legally and organizationally. It is also an urgent one: The government's cash balances can evaporate in the face of delays, reducing the room for maneuver and intensifying the crisis," the report stated.
The economists praised Garcia's administration for taking action on higher taxes, pension reforms, spending cuts and freezes, but they also noted that anticipated revenue projections systematically exceed collections, and that policy failures have in part caused Puerto Rico to be cut off from market access.
"Growth has not just been low, but output has actually been contracting for almost a decade now, which is remarkable for an economy suffering neither civil strife nor overt financial crisis," the report stated.
Some legislators were taken aback by Garcia's comments to the newspaper, including Rep. Jenniffer Gonzalez, spokeswoman for the main opposition party.
"I think it's irresponsible," Gonzalez said. "He met privately with The New York Times last week, but he hasn't met with the leaders of this island."
Puerto Rico's constitution dictates that the debt has to be paid before any other financial obligation is met. If Garcia seeks to not pay the debt at all, it will require a referendum and a vote on a constitutional amendment, she said in a phone interview.
The U.S. territory's situation has drawn comparisons to Greece, where the government decreed this weekend that banks would be shuttered for six business days and restrictions imposed on cash withdrawals. Greece's five-year financial crisis has sparked questions about its continued membership in the 19-nation shared euro currency and the European Union.
Garcia recently confirmed that he had considered having the Puerto Rico government seek permission from the U.S. Congress to declare bankruptcy amid a nearly decade-long economic slump. His administration is currently pushing for the right for Puerto Rico's public agencies to file for bankruptcy under Chapter 9. Neither the agencies nor the island's government can file for bankruptcy under current U.S. rules.
The U.S. Congress is in recess this week for the July 4 holiday, and the island's economic woes have not been an issue for lawmakers as they rushed to complete a high-profile trade bill, annual spending measures and other legislation before their break.
Puerto Rico's public agencies owe a large portion of the debt, with the power company alone owing some $9 billion. The company is facing a restructuring as the government continues to negotiate with creditors as the deadline for a roughly $400 million payment nears.
Garcia has taken several measures to help generate more government revenue, including signing legislation raising the sales tax to 11.5 percent and creating a 4 percent tax on professional services. The sales tax increase goes into effect Wednesday and the new services tax on Oct. 1, to be followed by a transition to a value-added tax by April 1.
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- The governor warned that Puerto Rico can't pay its $72 billion public debt as international economists released a critical report Monday on the island's economy.
The news from Gov. Alejandro Garcia Padilla delivered another jolt to the recession-gripped U.S. island, as well as a world financial system already worrying over Greece's collapsing finances.
Garcia is scheduled to air a pre-recorded televised address late Monday afternoon as legislators continue to debate a $9.8 billion budget that calls for $674 million in cuts and sets aside $1.5 billion to help pay off the debt. The budget has to be approved by Tuesday.
The governor hopes to defer debt payments while negotiating with creditors, spokesman Jesus Manuel Ortiz said late Sunday, confirming comments by Garcia that appeared in a report in The New York Times published that evening.
"There is no other option. I would love to have an easier option. This is not politics, this is math," Garcia is quoted as saying in the Times.
Puerto Rico's bonds were popular with U.S. mutual funds because they were tax-free, but hedge funds and distressed-debt buyers began stepping in to buy up debt as the island's economy worsened and its credit rating dropped.
Garcia's comments will likely not have much impact on Wall Street, said economist Jose Villamil, a former U.N. consultant and CEO of an economic and planning consulting firm.
"The markets are clear that Puerto Rico is heading to a direction of a restructuring or default," said the economist, adding that a voluntary restructuring by bondholders might be the best option.
"The last four administrations have kicked the can down the road," said Villamil. "At this point, there is no more can to kick. So we're going to take some very strict measures and some very profound measures. It's going to hurt, but there's no way out."
A report released Monday by a former World Bank chief economist and others found that Puerto Rico's fiscal debt is larger than originally thought and urged the government to act quickly.
"This is a daunting agenda politically, legally and organizationally. It is also an urgent one: The government's cash balances can evaporate in the face of delays, reducing the room for maneuver and intensifying the crisis," the report stated.
The economists praised Garcia's administration for taking action on higher taxes, pension reforms, spending cuts and freezes, but they also noted that anticipated revenue projections systematically exceed collections, and that policy failures have in part caused Puerto Rico to be cut off from market access.
"Growth has not just been low, but output has actually been contracting for almost a decade now, which is remarkable for an economy suffering neither civil strife nor overt financial crisis," the report stated.
Some legislators were taken aback by Garcia's comments to the newspaper, including Rep. Jenniffer Gonzalez, spokeswoman for the main opposition party.
"I think it's irresponsible," Gonzalez said. "He met privately with The New York Times last week, but he hasn't met with the leaders of this island."
Puerto Rico's constitution dictates that the debt has to be paid before any other financial obligation is met. If Garcia seeks to not pay the debt at all, it will require a referendum and a vote on a constitutional amendment, she said in a phone interview.
The U.S. territory's situation has drawn comparisons to Greece, where the government decreed this weekend that banks would be shuttered for six business days and restrictions imposed on cash withdrawals. Greece's five-year financial crisis has sparked questions about its continued membership in the 19-nation shared euro currency and the European Union.
Garcia recently confirmed that he had considered having the Puerto Rico government seek permission from the U.S. Congress to declare bankruptcy amid a nearly decade-long economic slump. His administration is currently pushing for the right for Puerto Rico's public agencies to file for bankruptcy under Chapter 9. Neither the agencies nor the island's government can file for bankruptcy under current U.S. rules.
The U.S. Congress is in recess this week for the July 4 holiday, and the island's economic woes have not been an issue for lawmakers as they rushed to complete a high-profile trade bill, annual spending measures and other legislation before their break.
Puerto Rico's public agencies owe a large portion of the debt, with the power company alone owing some $9 billion. The company is facing a restructuring as the government continues to negotiate with creditors as the deadline for a roughly $400 million payment nears.
Garcia has taken several measures to help generate more government revenue, including signing legislation raising the sales tax to 11.5 percent and creating a 4 percent tax on professional services. The sales tax increase goes into effect Wednesday and the new services tax on Oct. 1, to be followed by a transition to a value-added tax by April 1.
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The west is done. If people would only read the prophecies it plainly states that there is NO WEST when the famine of the word of the LORD comes aka the Day of the LORD aka the Tribulation aka Jacobs trouble aka the end of the age!
Amen.
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Bout to book my flight
Head for the low low -
Cut spending across the and eliminate/terminate programs
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Better get to the "Old world" while you still can. More specifically though, you want to go to Jerusalem! The time is short. Amen.
If I were you I would start by making the Feast of Tabernacles this September. Seek the LORD and He will guide you. But if you lean on your own understanding, you are doomed. Amen. -
I wonder would Puerto Rico would ever become a State and join into the union
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Thinking about buying a vacation spot out there in the future.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »Better get to the "Old world" while you still can. More specifically though, you want to go to Jerusalem! The time is short. Amen.
If I were you I would start by making the Feast of Tabernacles this September. Seek the LORD and He will guide you. But if you lean on your own understanding, you are doomed. Amen.
would you shut the hell up already greece is part of the old world you idiot -
#legalizeweed
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DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »The west is done. If people would only read the prophecies it plainly states that there is NO WEST when the famine of the word of the LORD comes aka the Day of the LORD aka the Tribulation aka Jacobs trouble aka the end of the age!
Amen.
Wtf does that even mean? At any point on the planet there will be a direction that heads west. Apparently Jesus rides with Biggie and Diddy -
i would find it funny....it the dominicans went to puero rico to buy cheaper stuff.
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not_osirus_jenkins wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »The west is done. If people would only read the prophecies it plainly states that there is NO WEST when the famine of the word of the LORD comes aka the Day of the LORD aka the Tribulation aka Jacobs trouble aka the end of the age!
Amen.
Wtf does that even mean? At any point on the planet there will be a direction that heads west. Apparently Jesus rides with Biggie and Diddy
The prophet Amos and Daniel tell us where all the action is located in the last days. Now remember that the compass is always centered in Israel. Here goes a map for you:
Also Here goes a compass for you just in case you need help with direction.
Now for the prophecies that concern the last days, we must turn to Amos and Daniel.
"40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Daniel 11:40-45
The first 7 words of the scripture above tell us what the whole passage is about, "And at the time of the end". So we have no need to speculate about what ? is telling us through the prophet Daniel. Therefore if we continue reading we will see these things:
1. There is a king of the south
2. There is a king of the north
3. There is a glorious land, which is Israel
4. Edom, Moab, and Ammon are mentioned as escaping out of the hand of somebody (nations which comprise modern day Jordan)
5. Egypt, Libya, and the Ethopians will be under the rule of that somebody
6. News from the EAST and the NORTH will trouble that somebody
7. That somebody will go out with great fury to destroy MANY!
Ok now, nowhere in this teaching is there ever a mention of any King of the WEST, nor is there any mention of any news from the WEST. Rather news comes from the NORTH and EAST! But there is no mention of the WEST!
And just to clarify, the "somebody" is the Antichrist. He is the one that will make war with the King of the South, King of the North, and will go out with great fury to destroy in the EAST and NORTH. All while making his "tabernacle" in the holy mountain of Israel which is in the glorious land! So the center of the antichrist operation is based in JERUSALEM, ISRAEL. So every direction that is mentioned in the prophet Daniels prophecy must be centered in Israel and go out from there.
Again where is the WEST?????
But that's not it. Because ? says this:
""Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1
Thus I present to you the 2nd witness who is Amos and he says this:
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord ? , that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it." Amos 8:11-12
So lets establish what Amos says:
1. Days are coming
2. The context of the days that are coming is THE DAY OF THE LORD
3. ? is going to send a famine in the land, but not of bread or of water
4. The famine will be a lack of hearing the words of the LORD.
5. When that day comes people will wander from sea to sea, the Mediterranean to the dead sea.
6. And people will also wander from the NORTH to the EAST!
7. But will not be able to find the word of the LORD!
Now again where is the WEST mentioned? There is no WEST! The West is symbolized by Greece and is actualized by the New World, with the main target and influential base being the leader of the free world (at the moment). Now it doesn't take an astrophysicist to understand what is implicated here, which is basically that AMERICA is no more after the day of sudden destruction aka the day when the whole world shakes aka the day when ? fights aka the Gog and Magog invasion aka The beginning of THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!
Now this is just a foundational teaching my friend. There is much more EVIDENCE that proves this fact. Which I would love to go into great detail with you if you so desire. But let's start here and see if you can at least stand on the foundation first. Amen? -
There is a war against the west right now! You would have to be a hermit to deny it!
The WEST is America!
AMERICA is the bully of the world!
But on the day of sudden destruction the Bully will be humbled in 1 day and in 1 hour!
If you are left behind on that day, you will see an evil that the world has never seen, nor will ever see again!
Therefore I implore you to accept Jesus Christ today! Trust in Him and He will lead you!
Don't delay! The evil day is almost here! The evil day is almost here! Amen. -
Jesus Christ man who handles the snakes while you type all that mess?
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babelipsss wrote: »Jesus Christ man who handles the snakes while you type all that mess?
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »not_osirus_jenkins wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »The west is done. If people would only read the prophecies it plainly states that there is NO WEST when the famine of the word of the LORD comes aka the Day of the LORD aka the Tribulation aka Jacobs trouble aka the end of the age!
Amen.
Wtf does that even mean? At any point on the planet there will be a direction that heads west. Apparently Jesus rides with Biggie and Diddy
The prophet Amos and Daniel tell us where all the action is located in the last days. Now remember that the compass is always centered in Israel. Here goes a map for you:
Also Here goes a compass for you just in case you need help with direction.
Now for the prophecies that concern the last days, we must turn to Amos and Daniel.
"40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Daniel 11:40-45
The first 7 words of the scripture above tell us what the whole passage is about, "And at the time of the end". So we have no need to speculate about what ? is telling us through the prophet Daniel. Therefore if we continue reading we will see these things:
1. There is a king of the south
2. There is a king of the north
3. There is a glorious land, which is Israel
4. Edom, Moab, and Ammon are mentioned as escaping out of the hand of somebody (nations which comprise modern day Jordan)
5. Egypt, Libya, and the Ethopians will be under the rule of that somebody
6. News from the EAST and the NORTH will trouble that somebody
7. That somebody will go out with great fury to destroy MANY!
Ok now, nowhere in this teaching is there ever a mention of any King of the WEST, nor is there any mention of any news from the WEST. Rather news comes from the NORTH and EAST! But there is no mention of the WEST!
And just to clarify, the "somebody" is the Antichrist. He is the one that will make war with the King of the South, King of the North, and will go out with great fury to destroy in the EAST and NORTH. All while making his "tabernacle" in the holy mountain of Israel which is in the glorious land! So the center of the antichrist operation is based in JERUSALEM, ISRAEL. So every direction that is mentioned in the prophet Daniels prophecy must be centered in Israel and go out from there.
Again where is the WEST?????
But that's not it. Because ? says this:
""Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1
Thus I present to you the 2nd witness who is Amos and he says this:
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord ? , that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it." Amos 8:11-12
So lets establish what Amos says:
1. Days are coming
2. The context of the days that are coming is THE DAY OF THE LORD
3. ? is going to send a famine in the land, but not of bread or of water
4. The famine will be a lack of hearing the words of the LORD.
5. When that day comes people will wander from sea to sea, the Mediterranean to the dead sea.
6. And people will also wander from the NORTH to the EAST!
7. But will not be able to find the word of the LORD!
Now again where is the WEST mentioned? There is no WEST! The West is symbolized by Greece and is actualized by the New World, with the main target and influential base being the leader of the free world (at the moment). Now it doesn't take an astrophysicist to understand what is implicated here, which is basically that AMERICA is no more after the day of sudden destruction aka the day when the whole world shakes aka the day when ? fights aka the Gog and Magog invasion aka The beginning of THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!
Now this is just a foundational teaching my friend. There is much more EVIDENCE that proves this fact. Which I would love to go into great detail with you if you so desire. But let's start here and see if you can at least stand on the foundation first. Amen?
So now you are flip flopping and changing. You got one thing correct Israel is the center of biblical geography, I've been trying to tell you that for a year already I am glad you finally understand. but your conculsions are still unsupported by scripture. -
"Fear the LORD if you are wise! His voice calls to everyone in Jerusalem: "The armies of destruction are coming; the LORD is sending them." Micah 6:9
Amen.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »not_osirus_jenkins wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »The west is done. If people would only read the prophecies it plainly states that there is NO WEST when the famine of the word of the LORD comes aka the Day of the LORD aka the Tribulation aka Jacobs trouble aka the end of the age!
Amen.
Wtf does that even mean? At any point on the planet there will be a direction that heads west. Apparently Jesus rides with Biggie and Diddy
The prophet Amos and Daniel tell us where all the action is located in the last days. Now remember that the compass is always centered in Israel. Here goes a map for you:
Also Here goes a compass for you just in case you need help with direction.
Now for the prophecies that concern the last days, we must turn to Amos and Daniel.
"40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Daniel 11:40-45
The first 7 words of the scripture above tell us what the whole passage is about, "And at the time of the end". So we have no need to speculate about what ? is telling us through the prophet Daniel. Therefore if we continue reading we will see these things:
1. There is a king of the south
2. There is a king of the north
3. There is a glorious land, which is Israel
4. Edom, Moab, and Ammon are mentioned as escaping out of the hand of somebody (nations which comprise modern day Jordan)
5. Egypt, Libya, and the Ethopians will be under the rule of that somebody
6. News from the EAST and the NORTH will trouble that somebody
7. That somebody will go out with great fury to destroy MANY!
Ok now, nowhere in this teaching is there ever a mention of any King of the WEST, nor is there any mention of any news from the WEST. Rather news comes from the NORTH and EAST! But there is no mention of the WEST!
And just to clarify, the "somebody" is the Antichrist. He is the one that will make war with the King of the South, King of the North, and will go out with great fury to destroy in the EAST and NORTH. All while making his "tabernacle" in the holy mountain of Israel which is in the glorious land! So the center of the antichrist operation is based in JERUSALEM, ISRAEL. So every direction that is mentioned in the prophet Daniels prophecy must be centered in Israel and go out from there.
Again where is the WEST?????
But that's not it. Because ? says this:
""Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1
Thus I present to you the 2nd witness who is Amos and he says this:
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord ? , that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it." Amos 8:11-12
So lets establish what Amos says:
1. Days are coming
2. The context of the days that are coming is THE DAY OF THE LORD
3. ? is going to send a famine in the land, but not of bread or of water
4. The famine will be a lack of hearing the words of the LORD.
5. When that day comes people will wander from sea to sea, the Mediterranean to the dead sea.
6. And people will also wander from the NORTH to the EAST!
7. But will not be able to find the word of the LORD!
Now again where is the WEST mentioned? There is no WEST! The West is symbolized by Greece and is actualized by the New World, with the main target and influential base being the leader of the free world (at the moment). Now it doesn't take an astrophysicist to understand what is implicated here, which is basically that AMERICA is no more after the day of sudden destruction aka the day when the whole world shakes aka the day when ? fights aka the Gog and Magog invasion aka The beginning of THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!
Now this is just a foundational teaching my friend. There is much more EVIDENCE that proves this fact. Which I would love to go into great detail with you if you so desire. But let's start here and see if you can at least stand on the foundation first. Amen?
? and the bible have to maNY symbols allegories and ways to interpret it. If everyone on the planet reads the bible and interprets it differently wat the ? is the point. Mass confusion is all it is. Even as a human being I can see where your ? failed in his logic and reasoning and I know for a fact I could've done a better job. First. I wouldn't have created evil. 2nd I wouldn't have created the devil. No devil, no evil no problems=utopia simple as 2+2 -
not_osirus_jenkins wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »not_osirus_jenkins wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »The west is done. If people would only read the prophecies it plainly states that there is NO WEST when the famine of the word of the LORD comes aka the Day of the LORD aka the Tribulation aka Jacobs trouble aka the end of the age!
Amen.
Wtf does that even mean? At any point on the planet there will be a direction that heads west. Apparently Jesus rides with Biggie and Diddy
The prophet Amos and Daniel tell us where all the action is located in the last days. Now remember that the compass is always centered in Israel. Here goes a map for you:
Also Here goes a compass for you just in case you need help with direction.
Now for the prophecies that concern the last days, we must turn to Amos and Daniel.
"40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Daniel 11:40-45
The first 7 words of the scripture above tell us what the whole passage is about, "And at the time of the end". So we have no need to speculate about what ? is telling us through the prophet Daniel. Therefore if we continue reading we will see these things:
1. There is a king of the south
2. There is a king of the north
3. There is a glorious land, which is Israel
4. Edom, Moab, and Ammon are mentioned as escaping out of the hand of somebody (nations which comprise modern day Jordan)
5. Egypt, Libya, and the Ethopians will be under the rule of that somebody
6. News from the EAST and the NORTH will trouble that somebody
7. That somebody will go out with great fury to destroy MANY!
Ok now, nowhere in this teaching is there ever a mention of any King of the WEST, nor is there any mention of any news from the WEST. Rather news comes from the NORTH and EAST! But there is no mention of the WEST!
And just to clarify, the "somebody" is the Antichrist. He is the one that will make war with the King of the South, King of the North, and will go out with great fury to destroy in the EAST and NORTH. All while making his "tabernacle" in the holy mountain of Israel which is in the glorious land! So the center of the antichrist operation is based in JERUSALEM, ISRAEL. So every direction that is mentioned in the prophet Daniels prophecy must be centered in Israel and go out from there.
Again where is the WEST?????
But that's not it. Because ? says this:
""Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1
Thus I present to you the 2nd witness who is Amos and he says this:
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord ? , that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it." Amos 8:11-12
So lets establish what Amos says:
1. Days are coming
2. The context of the days that are coming is THE DAY OF THE LORD
3. ? is going to send a famine in the land, but not of bread or of water
4. The famine will be a lack of hearing the words of the LORD.
5. When that day comes people will wander from sea to sea, the Mediterranean to the dead sea.
6. And people will also wander from the NORTH to the EAST!
7. But will not be able to find the word of the LORD!
Now again where is the WEST mentioned? There is no WEST! The West is symbolized by Greece and is actualized by the New World, with the main target and influential base being the leader of the free world (at the moment). Now it doesn't take an astrophysicist to understand what is implicated here, which is basically that AMERICA is no more after the day of sudden destruction aka the day when the whole world shakes aka the day when ? fights aka the Gog and Magog invasion aka The beginning of THE DAY OF THE LORD!!!
Now this is just a foundational teaching my friend. There is much more EVIDENCE that proves this fact. Which I would love to go into great detail with you if you so desire. But let's start here and see if you can at least stand on the foundation first. Amen?
? and the bible have to maNY symbols allegories and ways to interpret it. If everyone on the planet reads the bible and interprets it differently wat the ? is the point. Mass confusion is all it is. Even as a human being I can see where your ? failed in his logic and reasoning and I know for a fact I could've done a better job. First. I wouldn't have created evil. 2nd I wouldn't have created the devil. No devil, no evil no problems=utopia simple as 2+2
Well I answered your question, but now you have totally led the train down a different track my friend. I thought you wanted clarity about why I said there is NO WEST during the tribulation? -
damn.....all because of reggaeton..
i swear i hate nore right about now...? destroyed the world -
DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »Better get to the "Old world" while you still can. More specifically though, you want to go to Jerusalem! The time is short. Amen.
If I were you I would start by making the Feast of Tabernacles this September. Seek the LORD and He will guide you. But if you lean on your own understanding, you are doomed. Amen.
Is u going to Jerusalem
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Are flights cheaper?
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Yes, ill be there in September for the feast of Tabernacles; LORD Willing!
http://feast.icej.org/about
Hallelujah!
I get my tickets here:
skyscanner.com
The last 2 times I went I stayed here:
https://abrahamhostels.com/jerusalem/
The lodging there is great and cheap! Free breakfast every morning, free wifi, and it's in a central location! Really can't beat it.
If the LORD says to stay in September I will stay, but if the LORD tells me to come back I will come back. Definitely next year though the year 5777 I will be gone for good!
Do you know about the year 5777 and it's connection to Genesis 5 my friend? -
DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »Yes, ill be there in September for the feast of Tabernacles; LORD Willing!
http://feast.icej.org/about
Hallelujah!
I get my tickets here:
skyscanner.com
The last 2 times I went I stayed here:
https://abrahamhostels.com/jerusalem/
The lodging there is great and cheap! Free breakfast every morning, free wifi, and it's in a central location! Really can't beat it.
If the LORD says to stay in September I will stay, but if the LORD tells me to come back I will come back. Definitely next year though the year 5777 I will be gone for good!
Do you know about the year 5777 and it's connection to Genesis 5 my friend?
Lol you a funny dude
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Are flights cheaper?
I live in San Diego, CA. Flights from San Diego to Tel Aviv, Israel start at around $1,000. But the last time I went to Israel, I flew out of LA and got a round trip ticket for $800.
The site I use is skyscanner.com
They usually beat Kayak for ticket prices.
But yeah, for both of my trips to Israel I budgeted around $1300 including food and lodging.
? will make a way my friend! All you have to do is trust Him! Jerusalem is where you must go! it's the city of the great King! He will lead you there if your heart desires Him! Amen.
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