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Otherfascism,socialism and communism are all in the same family.
1.Capitalism supremacy of private ownership of production.
2.Socialism supremacy of state ownership of production.
3.communism total ownership of community ownership of production.
4.fascism situational supremacy of state,private or community ownership of production .
These are just the basic economic features of each system each -
OtherThaNubianGod wrote: »
Worked for Bill Clinton though......Out of all the candidates, Donald Trump seems the most sincere. He doesn't pander like Hillary.
Hillary is so phony. Her body language looks like somebody told her how to act in front of a camera.
So you would vote for a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? because he's sincere about being a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? ?
And what makes him more "sincere" than someone like Bernie Sanders who has been pretty consistent in what he says and does his whole career in politics?
And Bernie is sincerely fragile. Socialism is the worse type of economy for Black people.
Oh you're the one that said that same stupid ? in the other thread but couldn't actually rationalize it.
Mexicans are bad for black people. Socialism is bad for black people. But a racist billionaire scumbag is good for black people.
No offense but you come off dumb as ? .
He maybe dumb for supporting trump but you are ignorant as ? for supporting a socialist. -
Donald Trump
I never said a racist billionaire is good for Black people. I said none of these candidates give a ? about Black people, so I'm focusing solely on the issues. Illegal immigration and Socialism are both horrible for Black America, so I'm voting against anyone supporting those things.ThaNubianGod wrote: »
Worked for Bill Clinton though......Out of all the candidates, Donald Trump seems the most sincere. He doesn't pander like Hillary.
Hillary is so phony. Her body language looks like somebody told her how to act in front of a camera.
So you would vote for a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? because he's sincere about being a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? ?
And what makes him more "sincere" than someone like Bernie Sanders who has been pretty consistent in what he says and does his whole career in politics?
And Bernie is sincerely fragile. Socialism is the worse type of economy for Black people.
Oh you're the one that said that same stupid ? in the other thread but couldn't actually rationalize it.
Mexicans are bad for black people. Socialism is bad for black people. But a racist billionaire scumbag is good for black people.
No offense but you come off dumb as ? .
Your problem is you want White politicians to "like" you or "care" about you. You really think Hillary or Bernie give a ? about you? I know Trump doesn't, but he's not acting like he does either. We're losing seats in the House to Latinos, and will soon be pushed out of the Senate(not that we're in it much to begin with). City Council seats are being lost, and our political power is being marginalized for the lighter skinned minority. http://www.citylab.com/politics/2013/01/diversity-113th-congress-looks-pathetic-when-you-plot-it-map/4348/
The economic policies we used to support were about equal opportunities, small business loans(which we were being shut out of), better education. Now.....it's minimum wage jobs(that we're being pushed out of), and social programs that are a far cry from the working classes job our Black middleclass used to have. Neither party cares about us, so we need to support our own self-interest as a people. -
Dr. Ben Carson! I only vote for black presidential candidates...
Let's 3 peat... -
Donald Trump
Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing. -
ThaNubianGod wrote: »
I never said a racist billionaire is good for Black people. I said none of these candidates give a ? about Black people, so I'm focusing solely on the issues. Illegal immigration and Socialism are both horrible for Black America, so I'm voting against anyone supporting those things.ThaNubianGod wrote: »
Worked for Bill Clinton though......Out of all the candidates, Donald Trump seems the most sincere. He doesn't pander like Hillary.
Hillary is so phony. Her body language looks like somebody told her how to act in front of a camera.
So you would vote for a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? because he's sincere about being a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? ?
And what makes him more "sincere" than someone like Bernie Sanders who has been pretty consistent in what he says and does his whole career in politics?
And Bernie is sincerely fragile. Socialism is the worse type of economy for Black people.
Oh you're the one that said that same stupid ? in the other thread but couldn't actually rationalize it.
Mexicans are bad for black people. Socialism is bad for black people. But a racist billionaire scumbag is good for black people.
No offense but you come off dumb as ? .
Your problem is you want White politicians to "like" you or "care" about you. You really think Hillary or Bernie give a ? about you? I know Trump doesn't, but he's not acting like he does either. We're losing seats in the House to Latinos, and will soon be pushed out of the Senate(not that we're in it much to begin with). City Council seats are being lost, and our political power is being marginalized for the lighter skinned minority. http://www.citylab.com/politics/2013/01/diversity-113th-congress-looks-pathetic-when-you-plot-it-map/4348/
The economic policies we used to support were about equal opportunities, small business loans(which we were being shut out of), better education. Now.....it's minimum wage jobs(that we're being pushed out of), and social programs that are a far cry from the working classes job our Black middleclass used to have. Neither party cares about us, so we need to support our own self-interest as a people.
LOL where'd you get that? Because I don't want a president that is openly racist that means I want white politicians to like me?
A presidential candidate saying they want to modify the constitution in order to deport U.S. Citizens simply because they are Mexican is ? PSYCHOTIC. End of story.
If you just say "hey I hate Mexicans so that's why I would vote for Trump" at least you would have some semblance of integrity but don't try to sell your ? as part of some pro-black ideology. -
Bernie Sanders
Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing.
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Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
they already do that tho -
Other
Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing.
Jews weren't the only thing he would have exterminated -
Bernie Sanders
Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing.
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Gotta love posters who love exterminating other humans.
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Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing.
Donald Trump got the ? vote on lock. -
Donald TrumpiKingGodGivBiz wrote: »Gotta love posters who love exterminating other humans.
I know, exterminating people sounds macabre, but judaism is a gutter religion. The world would be a better place if we didn't stop him. -
Whoever gets that Democratic nomination (probably Hillary) will get my vote as long as they are pushing agenda that remotely helps me.
It seems from the outside looking in some of yall want some magic candidate who is going to cater strictly to Blacks, but say pretty much forget the Whites, Hispanics, and Asians.
It wouldn't matter who got in office somebody would feel left out and other would feel that person didn't do enough for them.
I guess a lot of Black folks wanted President Obama to be H. Rap Brown or Cornel West or Don King or insert whomever, but that type of ? doesn't work nor is it good diplomacy for getting ? done when you dealing with more than just one race or group people.
Cats steady complaining about Obama and how he doesn't do nothing for Black people but who do you think the Affordable Care Act helped? Helped Blacks and poor Whites more than probably anybody and both ? and complain about it partly because it's got his name attached to it. Then the insurance companies want to go up on premiums in protest to not wanting to carry certain people.
Who do you think him slowly reducing the number of troops over seas helped? Rich and upper Middle class White families ain't sending their kids over seas to fight it's mostly Blacks and poor Whites and some middle class ones.
What about Obama trying to reduce tuition and make vocational schools more available for students (Even though I think this was more political). Who do you think that would help.
I not caping for the good ole Barry because I don't agree with every decision he makes either, but some of yall folks need to get your head out of your ass and understand how politics work. -
iKingGodGivBiz wrote: »Gotta love posters who love exterminating other humans.
I know, exterminating people sounds macabre, but judaism is a gutter religion. The world would be a better place if we didn't stop him.
As far as struggletrollin' goes this is some bottom of the barrel stuff. A truly dismal performance. -
Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing.
well technically it didnt matter if 'y'all' got involved or not, by the time the us entered the war, the russians were already winning, yall were late lol back in 44.. -
OtherObama
4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!! -
Donald TrumpThaNubianGod wrote: »
I never said a racist billionaire is good for Black people. I said none of these candidates give a ? about Black people, so I'm focusing solely on the issues. Illegal immigration and Socialism are both horrible for Black America, so I'm voting against anyone supporting those things.ThaNubianGod wrote: »
Worked for Bill Clinton though......Out of all the candidates, Donald Trump seems the most sincere. He doesn't pander like Hillary.
Hillary is so phony. Her body language looks like somebody told her how to act in front of a camera.
So you would vote for a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? because he's sincere about being a virulent racist, sexist , spiteful, petty and vindictive ? ?
And what makes him more "sincere" than someone like Bernie Sanders who has been pretty consistent in what he says and does his whole career in politics?
And Bernie is sincerely fragile. Socialism is the worse type of economy for Black people.
Oh you're the one that said that same stupid ? in the other thread but couldn't actually rationalize it.
Mexicans are bad for black people. Socialism is bad for black people. But a racist billionaire scumbag is good for black people.
No offense but you come off dumb as ? .
Your problem is you want White politicians to "like" you or "care" about you. You really think Hillary or Bernie give a ? about you? I know Trump doesn't, but he's not acting like he does either. We're losing seats in the House to Latinos, and will soon be pushed out of the Senate(not that we're in it much to begin with). City Council seats are being lost, and our political power is being marginalized for the lighter skinned minority. http://www.citylab.com/politics/2013/01/diversity-113th-congress-looks-pathetic-when-you-plot-it-map/4348/
The economic policies we used to support were about equal opportunities, small business loans(which we were being shut out of), better education. Now.....it's minimum wage jobs(that we're being pushed out of), and social programs that are a far cry from the working classes job our Black middleclass used to have. Neither party cares about us, so we need to support our own self-interest as a people.
LOL where'd you get that? Because I don't want a president that is openly racist that means I want white politicians to like me?
A presidential candidate saying they want to modify the constitution in order to deport U.S. Citizens simply because they are Mexican is ? PSYCHOTIC. End of story.
If you just say "hey I hate Mexicans so that's why I would vote for Trump" at least you would have some semblance of integrity but don't try to sell your ? as part of some pro-black ideology.
I don't hate Mexicans, but I don't support Illegal immigration. Hell, half legal immigrants don't support them either.
If you want to put the interest of 12 million non US citizens over the interest of your own people....then that's your deal. Just know that Mexico is the most racist country in North America. That they DO deport people who go there from Central America or stick them in jail, and then whine about us enforcing our borders. Even dark skinned Latinos get discriminated down there. But hey.....let's just sit back and lose our jobs, have our schools crowded, our housing costs go way up, along with our healthcare, and listen to White suburbians who aren't even affected much.
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Donald TrumpWhoever gets that Democratic nomination (probably Hillary) will get my vote as long as they are pushing agenda that remotely helps me.
It seems from the outside looking in some of yall want some magic candidate who is going to cater strictly to Blacks, but say pretty much forget the Whites, Hispanics, and Asians.
It wouldn't matter who got in office somebody would feel left out and other would feel that person didn't do enough for them.
I guess a lot of Black folks wanted President Obama to be H. Rap Brown or Cornel West or Don King or insert whomever, but that type of ? doesn't work nor is it good diplomacy for getting ? done when you dealing with more than just one race or group people.
Cats steady complaining about Obama and how he doesn't do nothing for Black people but who do you think the Affordable Care Act helped? Helped Blacks and poor Whites more than probably anybody and both ? and complain about it partly because it's got his name attached to it. Then the insurance companies want to go up on premiums in protest to not wanting to carry certain people.
Who do you think him slowly reducing the number of troops over seas helped? Rich and upper Middle class White families ain't sending their kids over seas to fight it's mostly Blacks and poor Whites and some middle class ones.
What about Obama trying to reduce tuition and make vocational schools more available for students (Even though I think this was more political). Who do you think that would help.
I not caping for the good ole Barry because I don't agree with every decision he makes either, but some of yall folks need to get your head out of your ass and understand how politics work.
Obama's been horrible. The ACA is a joke, and anyone with a job gets screwed. He ramped up things in Afghanistan, and has been more neo-con than anything. LOL, at reducing tuition, he's owned by the teacher unions. He's completely wasted his position. No one is asking him to only support things that help Black people, but this guy hasn't done much of anything except empty gestures/speeches which have no actual impact. -
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Bernie SandersOh yeah and Hilliary Clinton receives campaign contributions from lobbyist groups representing private prisons
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Bernie Sanders is a socialist and Socialism is evil disguised as good. He can never have my vote.
I wouldn't say that socialism is "evil" (whatever that really means) per se, especially if the people agree on a socialist state. But it does violate individual liberty (that is, in the negative sense) and is therefore "immoral" to such classical liberals.
But Sanders is a socialist, and for that reason, I don't like his domestic policies. But he does seem genuine and smart on many other issues, including the issue of foreign policy, which is, in my opinion, the single most important issue in America today. Nevertheless, he might not get my vote. Gary Johnson has consistently been better than the rest for several years now.Bernie Sanders and here's why:
Consistency
Bernie Sanders has held the same consistent positions since the 60's. A long time supporter of the Civil Rights Movement. Not that it matters to me, but he supported ? marriage before it was trendy as a democrat to do so while Clinton only supported marriage equality in the last 4 or 5 years or so. He stood by Obama through his ENTIRE presidency (history is going to look back kindly on all of the things Obama did for Black people on the low..namely working to undo some of the drug war damage done by Bill Clinton and Biden)
Stance on Gun Rights
Gun laws in this country have historically disproportionately effected Black people. Clinton believes in tighter gun laws which will ultimately keep weapons out of the hands of law-abiding Black people. Good luck with that. Look up Sander's record on gun control
Attention to Issues that Effect Black People in this Country
Sanders has released a comprehensive manifesto on racial inequalities and hostilities that effect the country on numerous levels and solutions on how to effectively combat them. Clinton? Ummmmmm not so much. She used the the Charleston church shooting as an opportunity to talk about stricter gun control laws. She had to be pressed for days to even acknowledge what transpired in Baltimore in the wake of Freddie Gray's killing. And again, I point to Sander's record as a supporter of the Civil Rights Movement as a person who actively participated. During this time, Clinton was a "GoldWater Girl" . Do your research on Berry Goldwater. He was basically laid the blueprint politically for Ronald Reagan. Clinton don't have time for you negroes and never has.
Economics
Listen to Hillary Clinton speak about her economic policies. And I mean really close your eyes and listen. She supports giving companies "incentives" to bring their manufacturing to America. That is nothing more than fluffy new-age trickle-down economics. She wants to give tax breaks to corporations that decide to throw the American worker a bone or two....at their own leisure. Yeah okay. Clinton is the democrat candidate of choice for Big Oil and Wall Street so don't expect any kind of distance to be created from the status-quo under her presidency on that regard. The job market will continue its trend of shrinking
Money in Politics
If you get the majority of your money from millionaires and billionaires, then as a politician who are you going to be beholden to? While Hilliary Clinton has claimed to be an opponent of big money in politics she does not walk it how she talks it. She is backed by Super Pacs just like the rest of them. Couple that with the various "non-political" donations given to the Clinton Foundation, I'm sure she owes ALOT of favors. Bernie Sanders has up to this point launched a true old-school grass roots campaigned. Funded by donations that average around $30. He's not connected to any Super Pacs. @jjwalker pointed me to a superpac that was started that backs Bernie Sanders, but even the guy's founder admitted he doesn't even know Bernie Sanders and he just wants to see him in office. At the time of the article the guy had only raised $2000.
So yeah Bernie Sanders 2016.
Good, informative post (though, like Nubian ? , I would strongly disagree with your other post that capitalism led to the slave trade). Question for a lazy ? though: In your opinion, what exactly is Sanders's stance on gun rights? -
Donald TrumpI'd vote for Trump because just imagine the comedy coming from the White House once he's in.
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Everybody is making a big deal about how Trump says he's going to deport the illegal immigrants.
But I don't see anything wrong with deporting people who are here illegally.
In fact, I don't understand the opposing viewpoint.
Basically what Sneak just said. Not only is that not the only topic he holds a questionable position with, it alone is enough reason to want nothing to do with him.
He's not just trying to deport all illegals (which raises issues on it's own) he also wishes to challenge birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment. That then open's a pandora's box of the government deciding whose citizenship is valid and whose isn't.
It's understandable that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint when you don't quite have a full grasp of the viewpoint in which you are supporting.
? was sincere about what he was saying and had the body language to match. Don't be amongst the naive individuals allowing that to be the driving force behind their support of a candidate.
Honestly, ? might have been the best leader in the 20th century. Its too bad that we stopped him. If we had never got involved in World War II he probably would have exterminated all of the jews, which would have been a good thing.
And he'd have put you and your family in an oven too. -
I'll forget to vote again.
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