Yall aint read them Wikileaks Afghan War papers?
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bornnraisedoffCMR
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YO u beat me by like 6 minutes man ! LOLOL
WOwwwww....Im reading the headlines now."'EVIDENCE OF WAR CRIMES'
WikiLeaks Releases Thousands Of Documents On Afghanistan War
John Kerry: 'Serious Questions About The Reality Of America's Policy'... -
I tried to go to the site but it won't load the web page. To many folks on it right now.
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Pentagon Papers? Have you seen the database yet? That's the correct word for it. Database. 70,000+ documents. Wikileaks is adding another 15,000+ after they finish redacting names to protect people's lives. ? is an insane amount of info....I know damn well ain't nobody here gonna look at more than 1% of em.
But I think we'll all be hearing more about that "Task Force 373" that f'd up and killed 7 kids. -
Swiffness! wrote: »Pentagon Papers? Have you seen the database yet? That's the correct word for it. Database. 70,000+ documents. Wikileaks is adding another 15,000+ after they finish redacting names to protect people's lives. ? is an insane amount of info....I know damn well ain't nobody here gonna look at more than 1% of em.
But I think we'll all be hearing more about that "Task Force 373" that f'd up and killed 7 kids.
I downloaded that ? last night. Kinda hard to read since it is in CSV format. But Im working on organizing nice and neatly and posting it in a few days. ? is crazy. Wikileaks dude better not ever step foot on U.S. Grounds or he getting capped. -
bornnraisedoffCMR wrote: »Wikileaks dude better not ever step foot on U.S. Grounds or he getting capped.
U.S Grounds? lol, u never played Splinter Cell? -
yeah, it's going to take a while before we hear reports on it's contents. massive info.
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Swiffness! wrote: »U.S Grounds? lol, u never played Splinter Cell?
? , Im suprised he's showing his face in the U.K. -
swiffness! wrote: »u.s grounds? Lol, u never played splinter cell?
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one, how many people would have expected the US military to come out and publish stories every time they screwed something up?
two, how many people can name a war, at any point in history, that didn't involve messed up stuff like this? -
BethlehemBill wrote: »one, how many people would have expected the US military to come out and publish stories every time they screwed something up?
two, how many people can name a war, at any point in history, that didn't involve messed up stuff like this?
War is a nasty thing, as we all know.....but still, these leaks are proving over and over again what a sad and LOSING effort we have in Afghanistan right now. It's a complete disaster that is showing how Pakistan is AIDING the Taliban in Afghanistan through their secret service, and how the Taliban now control or have a strong presence in a solid 70 percent of the nation.
Pathetic how this war is supposed to make us safer, yet we are killing civilians all over the place there. Killing civilians does work in many wars, but ONLY when the occupying power has credibility. The USA, due to its disgusting and immoral support of Israel's apartheid government, does not have ANY credibility at all in the Middle East. And the USA does not deserve any. The reality is this.....Afghanistan is lost to the Taliban due to America's sad and low credibility in the Middle East, so we will never win there.
It's time for all our troops in Afghanistan to come home.....civilian deaths are necessary in war, sad to say, but America has been in Afghanistan for 9 years, it's ridiculous. Enough is enough. -
I sincerely hope these leaks embarass Obama enough to the point where even he can admit the war is over and we should return all troops home IMMEDIATELY.
Enough with the ? ? excuses......the Taliban are kicking our ass over there, and the local population supports them.....we can't win a war in which the local people HATE YOU.
I like Obama as a man, but politically, he seems dumb as ? right now. -
Can't they just shut down this wikileaks website or is there some sort of loophole in effect?
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the longer Obama stays over there..
the more I think he's getting $$$ under the table for something..
its been clear since the Bush days.. this ? is pointless.. if you aint out there in the frontline, dont go sending younguns to their demise.. -
How did wikileaks come to amass all of these documents? A higher up, or someone in the lower echelon who doesn't believe in the war he's fighting in? Besides that, the top brass always try to hide the ? ups that happen constantly. There is probably going to be some firing and hiring coming up.
I thought Obama was different, but it seems like the successors don't learn from their predecessors at all. -
^^^ It's a proxy war against Iran/Pakistan I hear.
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Can't they just shut down this wikileaks website or is there some sort of loophole in effect?
They tried..........there's a article about that on their website. -
How did wikileaks come to amass all of these documents? A higher up, or someone in the lower echelon who doesn't believe in the war he's fighting in? Besides that, the top brass always try to hide the ? ups that happen constantly. There is probably going to be some firing and hiring coming up.
I thought Obama was different, but it seems like the successors don't learn from their predecessors at all.
Pfc. Bradley Manning, a young military specialist is accused
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the thing is, these leaked Afghan papers don't have anything of major consequence that was not already known in them. oh well.
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Your absolutely correct. IMO We CANNOT nation build countries with literacy rates of 38% or less and expect them to understand our motives. We need to get out of the ME and stay out.......period. The stupidity of our war mongering Generals and the commander in chief are beyond my comprehension skills & I've got lots of common sense these educated fools/ idiots have no clue about.
Exactly.......stop sending aid to Israel, and for that matter, ALL Middle Eastern countries. It's obvious people there hate us with a PASSION, that kidnapped sailor got killed today in Afghanistan. Our war loving generals and leaders are beyond stupid at this point......
I would not be surprised if a Democrat challenges Obama for his spot in 2012. I honestly SUPPORT such a move if that Democrat is against the war in Afghanistan and will withdraw IMMEDIATELY. Obama is looking dumber and dumber by the day. -
Pfc. Bradley Manning, a young military specialist is accused of the leak
That guy is a hero......our economy is STILL ? up and yet we're going to spend another 33 billion dollars to fund Obama's losing and failing Afghan surge. I hope more soldiers leak documents proving how ? this war is. How we expect to win a war in a region in which most people there hate us WITH GOOD REASONS is a mystery to me.
I wonder what those guys in the Pentagon are smoking tonight, cuz their mind is really not on point now. -
We should not be surprised at this neverending war, sadly. America has a long history of ? wars and non-stop killing......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/12_? .html
America's Ultra ? Empire-Latin American Version
The list of victims is long, the pattern unmistakable. Despite conventional wisdom, propped up by propaganda and a complicit press, the motivation of U.S. intervention in Latin America and the Caribbean is anything but well-intentioned. Talk of lofty goals and the "export" of democracy is something more sinister than inflated rhetoric; it is a putrid lie. The true aim of U.S. intervention in the region is to ensure resulting governments agreeable to the neo-liberal agenda.
Domestic and economic reform in Latin America and the Caribbean has been and is perceived as a direct threat to U.S. economic interests, and if allowed to develop with any degree of success, a dangerous example for other developing nations in the region. Haiti is the most recent victim of the long-standing, aggressive and extremely ? foreign policy employed by the United States. Empire is ever expanding its horizons, leaving legions of hopeless, broken, dead and dying in its wake.
Guatemala lost its democratically elected administration to a U.S.-backed coup in 1954. After the overthrow, democracy, hope and President Arbenz successfully dispensed with, the U.S. spent the next four decades propping up ? dictators, who subsequently oversaw the murder of over 100,000 Guatemalan civilians.
In 1973, the CIA lent its terrorism expertise to the overthrow of Chile's democratically elected Allende, allowing the rise to power of the ? dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet, and marking the beginning of 17 years of military rule. President Allende was killed during the military attack on the presidential palace.
In 1981, the Contra War, a Reagan Administration darling, was begun against Nicaraguan civilians and the leftist Sandinistas. The brutal, CIA-backed campaign brought the tiny country to its knees, ravaging the economy and leaving multitudes dead. Again in 1990, through overt and covert means, the U.S. intervened in the Nicaraguan election process.
U.S. intervention tactics are currently being employed in Venezuela. Much like Aristide, President Hugo Chavez has made the grand error of focusing on the plight of landless peasants and poor workers, among other egregious sins. He has remained defiant in the face of U.S. demands for capitulation, and it is becoming increasingly clear that it will not be tolerated. Though the coup planners previous attempt to remove Chavez failed, rest assured that the game continues. The U.S. has great interest in this particular region, namely the unhindered access to oil and strategic land and water corridors. Chavez's reformist policies are out of sync with the neo-liberalism the U.S. prefers, demands and guarantees through overthrow and replacement with pro-U.S. governments.
El Salvador, Grenada… as I said, the list is long and soaked with the blood of the innocent. The objective is simple: preservation of a structural configuration of power which keeps the money flowing in the right direction. The power must remain with the minority - the wealthy corporate and industrial sectors - not the impoverished majority. As I mentioned previously, social and economic reforms are seen as "both a direct threat to U.S. economic interests and as a symbolic threat of a good example to other developing nations."
A short time ago, the United States flatly refused to send peacekeeping troops to Haiti to assist democratically-elected President Aristide in restoring order to his beleaguered nation; in fact, Colin Powell stood mute, aside from the usual rhetoric and half-truths, as the world watched the ? advance of the "rebels", composed of former members of the CIA-created terrorist group, FRAPH (Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti), among other unsavory elements.
The so-called rebels were allowed to reach a point just 25 miles from the capital city, Port-au-Prince. Only after Aristide had left the country, a departure of widely-disputed circumstances, did U.S. authorities inform the crew that they "have no role to play in this process, and they need to lay down their arms and go home." Alarm bells should have been ringing, and indeed had been long before, for anyone paying close attention.
The latest attempt at democracy to be crushed under the boot-heel of the neo-liberal agenda is in a state of smoldering turmoil, threatening to erupt at any given moment. Aristide remains in dubious exile, while the notorious, self-proclaimed chief of Haiti's disbanded military, Guy Phillippe, struts through the streets alongside U.S. tanks. In the early 1990s, while in the military, Phillippe received training from U.S. Special Forces in Ecuador. Later, as the chief of police in Cap-Haitien, Phillippe was accused of drug-trafficking and plotting a coup.
Throughout the weeks leading up to the recent the coup d'etat, Phillippe was interviewed by mainstream reporters and repeatedly glorified with the misleading title of "rebel leader." Now that the coup d'etat is a fait accompli, we hear from such champions of integrity and justice as U.S. Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, Roger Noriega, that Phillipe will now "probably want to make himself scarce." Alas, poor Phillippe. Yesterday's heroic rebel leader, today just another "rag-tag" loser. Perhaps Phillippe will land a gig on CBS' 60 Minutes, much like Emmanuel "Toto" Constant (Constant is the former leader of the murderous FRAPH group. He resides in New York and has openly acknowledged working for CIA agents while FRAPH was on its dissident-murdering spree) in December, 1995. He could then decry the unfairness of it all, sue the U.S. government for besmirching his reputation and strike a deal that enables him to roam the United States, a free man with a work permit - so long as he keeps his mouth shut.
Another "rebel leader" present and accountable for the recent violence in Haiti is Louis-Jodel Chamblain. Chamblain was second in command of FRAPH. The fascist group is suspected of killing at least 5,000 Haitians under the leadership of Constant and Chamblain.
The mainstream media have done everything in their power to demonize Aristide - to obscure the issue and frame the dialogue, using carefully honed techniques, from subtle propaganda to outright disinformation. On March 2, we were treated to a rare appearance by Vice President Cheney, interviewed by CNN's Wolf Blitzer. It seems the escalating cacophony surrounding reports of a U.S. role in the forcible removal of the democratically-elected President of Haiti was deemed serious enough to summon Cheney from his spider-hole.
With characteristic sneering contempt, he stated, "I'm happy he's gone. I think the Haitian people are better off for it. I think now he'll [sic] have an opportunity to elect a new government. And that's as it should be." Such dedication to the principles of democracy our Vice President displays. I won't pursue in-depth analysis of this statement, but I'm certain you know where I would go with it. Suffice to say, Mr. Cheney appears to be in dire need of a democracy refresher course. He might also take a moment to scrutinize the chain of events which led directly to his placement as a head of state, and the downward spiral of our nation since that fateful day. If claims of fraudulent elections and poor leadership make violent coup d'etat an acceptable solution in a democracy, well… the irony is palpable. Thankfully for Cheney and his cohorts, most Americans have a better grasp of the meaning of democracy than the current administration does.
----And this is just Latin America......I would do America's history of slaughtering Arabs but that list is even longer than Latin America's. -
The tactics of these Afghan insurgents are so much like the Guerrilla tactics from the Vietnam era yet we don't learn from it. Damn-it when are our powers that be gonna realize this conflict ISN'T winnable.....drawn down are troops NOW mister President. IMO get the F out of the Middle East and stay out.
If I copied and pasted that onto Conservative websites, they'd call me a troll and ban me.
You want Obama to pull out of Afghanistan? Severely weaken Republican support for the war.kingblaze84 wrote: »Exactly.......stop sending aid to Israel
Come on son, that cause is hopeless. How many members of Congress signed a letter co-signing the flotilla raid? Wasn't it like 80 senators and 3/4th of the House? People screamin Obama is "the most anti-Israel president" ever because he asked Israel to make tiny, TINY ass concessions.
The U.S politics on this is all ? up and prevents any real progress. ? is just fact. Dissent and dudes call you an anti-semite. Jimmy Carter arguably helped Israel more than any other President by single-handedly brokering the Egypt peace deal. He was popular in Israel. Then he has the nerve to point out the obvious (growing) apartheid features of Israeli society and they call him a anti-semite who hates Israel. Dude's like persona non grata over there now.
Sad but true. -
Why do ppl think we are ever getting out? Our war is to takeover Afghanistan and use all it's resources to help the US.... When the US invades a country we love u long time
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kingblaze84 wrote: »We should not be surprised at this neverending war, sadly. America has a long history of ? wars and non-stop killing......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/12_? .html
America's Ultra ? Empire-Latin American Version
The list of victims is long, the pattern unmistakable. Despite conventional wisdom, propped up by propaganda and a complicit press, the motivation of U.S. intervention in Latin America and the Caribbean is anything but well-intentioned. Talk of lofty goals and the "export" of democracy is something more sinister than inflated rhetoric; it is a putrid lie. The true aim of U.S. intervention in the region is to ensure resulting governments agreeable to the neo-liberal agenda.
Domestic and economic reform in Latin America and the Caribbean has been and is perceived as a direct threat to U.S. economic interests, and if allowed to develop with any degree of success, a dangerous example for other developing nations in the region. Haiti is the most recent victim of the long-standing, aggressive and extremely ? foreign policy employed by the United States. Empire is ever expanding its horizons, leaving legions of hopeless, broken, dead and dying in its wake.
Guatemala lost its democratically elected administration to a U.S.-backed coup in 1954. After the overthrow, democracy, hope and President Arbenz successfully dispensed with, the U.S. spent the next four decades propping up ? dictators, who subsequently oversaw the murder of over 100,000 Guatemalan civilians.
In 1973, the CIA lent its terrorism expertise to the overthrow of Chile's democratically elected Allende, allowing the rise to power of the ? dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet, and marking the beginning of 17 years of military rule. President Allende was killed during the military attack on the presidential palace.
In 1981, the Contra War, a Reagan Administration darling, was begun against Nicaraguan civilians and the leftist Sandinistas. The brutal, CIA-backed campaign brought the tiny country to its knees, ravaging the economy and leaving multitudes dead. Again in 1990, through overt and covert means, the U.S. intervened in the Nicaraguan election process.
U.S. intervention tactics are currently being employed in Venezuela. Much like Aristide, President Hugo Chavez has made the grand error of focusing on the plight of landless peasants and poor workers, among other egregious sins. He has remained defiant in the face of U.S. demands for capitulation, and it is becoming increasingly clear that it will not be tolerated. Though the coup planners previous attempt to remove Chavez failed, rest assured that the game continues. The U.S. has great interest in this particular region, namely the unhindered access to oil and strategic land and water corridors. Chavez's reformist policies are out of sync with the neo-liberalism the U.S. prefers, demands and guarantees through overthrow and replacement with pro-U.S. governments.
El Salvador, Grenada… as I said, the list is long and soaked with the blood of the innocent. The objective is simple: preservation of a structural configuration of power which keeps the money flowing in the right direction. The power must remain with the minority - the wealthy corporate and industrial sectors - not the impoverished majority. As I mentioned previously, social and economic reforms are seen as "both a direct threat to U.S. economic interests and as a symbolic threat of a good example to other developing nations."
A short time ago, the United States flatly refused to send peacekeeping troops to Haiti to assist democratically-elected President Aristide in restoring order to his beleaguered nation; in fact, Colin Powell stood mute, aside from the usual rhetoric and half-truths, as the world watched the ? advance of the "rebels", composed of former members of the CIA-created terrorist group, FRAPH (Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti), among other unsavory elements.
The so-called rebels were allowed to reach a point just 25 miles from the capital city, Port-au-Prince. Only after Aristide had left the country, a departure of widely-disputed circumstances, did U.S. authorities inform the crew that they "have no role to play in this process, and they need to lay down their arms and go home." Alarm bells should have been ringing, and indeed had been long before, for anyone paying close attention.
The latest attempt at democracy to be crushed under the boot-heel of the neo-liberal agenda is in a state of smoldering turmoil, threatening to erupt at any given moment. Aristide remains in dubious exile, while the notorious, self-proclaimed chief of Haiti's disbanded military, Guy Phillippe, struts through the streets alongside U.S. tanks. In the early 1990s, while in the military, Phillippe received training from U.S. Special Forces in Ecuador. Later, as the chief of police in Cap-Haitien, Phillippe was accused of drug-trafficking and plotting a coup.
Throughout the weeks leading up to the recent the coup d'etat, Phillippe was interviewed by mainstream reporters and repeatedly glorified with the misleading title of "rebel leader." Now that the coup d'etat is a fait accompli, we hear from such champions of integrity and justice as U.S. Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, Roger Noriega, that Phillipe will now "probably want to make himself scarce." Alas, poor Phillippe. Yesterday's heroic rebel leader, today just another "rag-tag" loser. Perhaps Phillippe will land a gig on CBS' 60 Minutes, much like Emmanuel "Toto" Constant (Constant is the former leader of the murderous FRAPH group. He resides in New York and has openly acknowledged working for CIA agents while FRAPH was on its dissident-murdering spree) in December, 1995. He could then decry the unfairness of it all, sue the U.S. government for besmirching his reputation and strike a deal that enables him to roam the United States, a free man with a work permit - so long as he keeps his mouth shut.
Another "rebel leader" present and accountable for the recent violence in Haiti is Louis-Jodel Chamblain. Chamblain was second in command of FRAPH. The fascist group is suspected of killing at least 5,000 Haitians under the leadership of Constant and Chamblain.
The mainstream media have done everything in their power to demonize Aristide - to obscure the issue and frame the dialogue, using carefully honed techniques, from subtle propaganda to outright disinformation. On March 2, we were treated to a rare appearance by Vice President Cheney, interviewed by CNN's Wolf Blitzer. It seems the escalating cacophony surrounding reports of a U.S. role in the forcible removal of the democratically-elected President of Haiti was deemed serious enough to summon Cheney from his spider-hole.
With characteristic sneering contempt, he stated, "I'm happy he's gone. I think the Haitian people are better off for it. I think now he'll [sic] have an opportunity to elect a new government. And that's as it should be." Such dedication to the principles of democracy our Vice President displays. I won't pursue in-depth analysis of this statement, but I'm certain you know where I would go with it. Suffice to say, Mr. Cheney appears to be in dire need of a democracy refresher course. He might also take a moment to scrutinize the chain of events which led directly to his placement as a head of state, and the downward spiral of our nation since that fateful day. If claims of fraudulent elections and poor leadership make violent coup d'etat an acceptable solution in a democracy, well… the irony is palpable. Thankfully for Cheney and his cohorts, most Americans have a better grasp of the meaning of democracy than the current administration does.
----And this is just Latin America......I would do America's history of slaughtering Arabs but that list is even longer than Latin America's.
Old news. They forgot Bolivia.
Its standard gospel that Pinoche was a ? fighting hero on Conservative websites btw -
Swiffness! wrote: »Old news. They forgot Bolivia.
Its standard gospel that Pinoche was a ? fighting hero on Conservative websites btw
Oh yeah, I know all about Pinochet lol.....what happened in Bolivia though???
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