Article: The video that will rip Chicago apart — and why you need to see it..

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  • LordZuko
    LordZuko Members Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Huey_C wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    Have any gang bangers did anything yet or are their bullets only reserved for black folk

    Gangbangers work for white supremacist, they would never harm their own

    gangmembers goons, and thugs should be compared to bandits. They have no allegiance to anyone, and are only dedicated to getting money. they don't even have a desire to rule, they just want material gain for the sake of it. So these types of people can never be revolutionary as they can never be fully trusted and are readily bought off by 12. Look how often they snitch on friends you think they could be trusted to hold down an uprising. Fuuuuuck that!
  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LordZuko wrote: »
    Huey_C wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    Have any gang bangers did anything yet or are their bullets only reserved for black folk

    Gangbangers work for white supremacist, they would never harm their own

    gangmembers goons, and thugs should be compared to bandits. They have no allegiance to anyone, and are only dedicated to getting money. they don't even have a desire to rule, they just want material gain for the sake of it. So these types of people can never be revolutionary as they can never be fully trusted and are readily bought off by 12. Look how often they snitch on friends you think they could be trusted to hold down an uprising. Fuuuuuck that!

    Good ? point.

    kinda like a hired militia going to the highest bidder
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Members Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LordZuko wrote: »
    Huey_C wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    Have any gang bangers did anything yet or are their bullets only reserved for black folk

    Gangbangers work for white supremacist, they would never harm their own

    gangmembers goons, and thugs should be compared to bandits. They have no allegiance to anyone, and are only dedicated to getting money. they don't even have a desire to rule, they just want material gain for the sake of it. So these types of people can never be revolutionary as they can never be fully trusted and are readily bought off by 12. Look how often they snitch on friends you think they could be trusted to hold down an uprising. Fuuuuuck that!

    u mean todays gangbangers....the ones during the civil rights were bout it
  • Copper
    Copper Members Posts: 49,532 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LordZuko wrote: »
    Huey_C wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    Have any gang bangers did anything yet or are their bullets only reserved for black folk

    Gangbangers work for white supremacist, they would never harm their own

    gangmembers goons, and thugs should be compared to bandits. They have no allegiance to anyone, and are only dedicated to getting money. they don't even have a desire to rule, they just want material gain for the sake of it. So these types of people can never be revolutionary as they can never be fully trusted and are readily bought off by 12. Look how often they snitch on friends you think they could be trusted to hold down an uprising. Fuuuuuck that!

    u mean todays gangbangers....the ones during the civil rights were bout it

    Why would he reference gangs in the 60s ??
  • obnoxiouslyfresh
    obnoxiouslyfresh Members Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chicago politicians are so ? corrupt. Goddammmmmn
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/foxs-martha-maccallum-laquan-mcdonalds-killing-is-a-devastating-situation-for-the-policeman/
    Fox’s Martha MacCallum: Laquan McDonald’s killing is a ‘devastating situation for the policeman’

    Fox News host Martha MacCallum argued on Wednesday that the lesson that young people should take away from the shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald is that they should not be “walking away” from police.

    “This is a tragic loss of a 17-year-old boy,” the Fox News host admitted while discussing the shooting with several guests. “It is also a devastating situation — no doubt — for the policeman.”

    Conservative radio host Lars Larson asserted that Tuesday night’s protests in Chicago were “so wrong” because McDonald was carrying a knife when he was shot by Officer Jason Van ? .

    “This [police shooting] looks pretty bad, but we have to treat them individually,” MacCallum explained. “The person who feels threatened or not threatened in each situation is relevant to what’s decided here. But one thing that also needs to be discussed is where are the protesters for the children who are caught in the crossfire in Chicago, for the 400-some people killed in that city of the course of this year?”

    “It appears that the outrage is somewhat selective,” she added.

    “It’s not only selective, it’s bigoted,” Larson agreed. “The fact that Black Lives Matter only focuses on the shooting of citizens by police and in the majority of cases, people who are shot by police are shot for good reason.”

    “The reports are that this young man was on ? , he had a knife and he was resisting going to the police officers,” MacCallum noted as she played video of McDonald being shot. “And there’s another message for young people right here. When the police want to talk to you, you need to put down whatever is in your hands and you need to go over and talk to them.”


    Emily Tisch Sussman of the Center for American Progress Action Fund reminded MacCallum that it was legal to carry a knife in Chicago.

    “And if his past experience has not been police have been respectful and cooperative — look, it goes both ways,” Sussman insisted.

    MaCallum interrupted: “But how many situations where someone turns around and says, ‘I’ve got a gripe with you police officer, but I’m going to go with you and then we’re going to hash this out.’ I mean, this young man should not have been walking away from police who were asking him to come over and talk to them because it ended in absolute tragic circumstances for him and his family.”

    “But not speaking to police does not equal the ability for them to be shooting 16 times,” Sussman observed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnxlLEsI8vM
  • Copper
    Copper Members Posts: 49,532 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whites are subhuman.... Only way to explain their level of evil
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-laquan-mcdonald-new-videos-met-20151125-story.html
    Four new Laquan McDonald shooting videos raise more questions

    Newly released videos from four additional police vehicles at the scene of the 2014 shooting of Laquan McDonald raise questions about how the city's Police Department documented the killing of an African-American teenager that has led to a Chicago cop being charged with first-degree murder.

    The police dashboard camera videos also shed new light on how the events unfolded leading up to McDonald's death by showing police response to the incident from new perspectives. That includes from the vehicle Officer Jason Van ? rode in as he briefly followed the 17-year-old McDonald before shooting him 16 times in the middle of Pulaski Road on the Southwest Side on Oct. 20, 2014.

    Mayor Rahm Emanuel's Law Department released the videos from five separate police vehicles to the Chicago Tribune on Wednesday in response to an open records request. The videos, released on DVDs, included the one widely circulated publicly Tuesday that shows the most complete coverage of the shooting released to date.

    All told, the videos show at least eight police vehicles responding to the shooting scene, and now the Emanuel administration has released videos from five of those vehicles. But no video has been provided from the three other vehicles, all of which were at the scene as the shooting unfolded.


    The Tribune asked police, prosecutors and the mayor's office whether those vehicles had video and requested any such video under open records law. The city has not responded to those questions.

    Chicago Police Department orders require officers to use in-car video if the vehicle is equipped with it. According to that order, the in-car video system will automatically engage audio and video recording when the vehicle's emergency lights are activated. Officers may also manually engage the recording system without activating the lights.

    The question of why there is so little discernible sound on any of the videos is an important emerging issue that city officials have yet to address.

    All the videos released to date include some sound, but most of it is just the faint noise of the vehicles' sirens. The videos, including the one from Van ? 's vehicle, did not include any audio of officers talking, either in the vehicles or over police radios, raising questions about why sirens outside the vehicles are audible but voices and other sounds from inside the vehicle are not.

    The Tribune put those questions to the Police Department, the office of Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez and the Law Department early Wednesday afternoon. None responded to the questions.

    However, in a news conference Tuesday before releasing the now-viral video that shows McDonald's shooting, Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy was asked whether there was any audio on that footage.

    "No, there was no audio with the tape that I saw, the video I saw," McCarthy said. "I don't think that audio does exist."

    Asked whether the police cameras were supposed to have sound, McCarthy responded, "There's supposed to be (audio), and it's supposed to happen at a couple different instances.

    "This is one of the things that we are working on. Sometimes we have technical difficulties," McCarthy said. "Sometimes officers need to be disciplined if they don't turn it on at the right circumstance, which is why we are working out all the details."

    Again asked if any audio existed with footage of the shooting, McCarthy answered, "No, no, no there was no audio to my knowledge with any of the video that was taken. No, it didn't exist."


    Only one of the five police dashboard camera videos that the Emanuel administration did release shows the shooting of McDonald, the same video the mayor was forced to release under an order by a Cook County judge.

    The other DVDs released by the city show:

    •A video of Van ? 's squad car following McDonald through the lawn of a Burger King restaurant and pulling up alongside him as he walked down the center of Pulaski.

    •Another video of a squad car arriving at the shooting scene moments after McDonald crumpled to the ground. The video shows the teen still moving slightly in the street with streams of blood trailing from his body.

    •Two other videos from a pair of other police vehicles that drove up near the incident but appeared to be quickly dispatched to help set up a perimeter and control traffic.

    The absence of any recorded discussions from officers in any of the five vehicles for which videos were released makes it impossible to discern what the officers might have discussed in their cars on the runup to the shooting of McDonald. In the charging papers against Van ? , prosecutors paraphrased radio traffic from four different cars responding to the incident.

    The five videos vary in length, from just a few minutes to over a half-hour. Each also starts at different points in the sequence of events, with one squad car's video not starting until after it's already parked near an ambulance at the scene.

    In charging Van ? with murder on Tuesday, Alvarez said that only one police dashboard camera recorded the shooting. While other Chicago police vehicles at the scene were equipped with working cameras, Alvarez said, none of the vehicles was positioned to capture the shooting.

    The official recitation of evidence supporting the charge against Van ? filed by Alvarez's office also stated "no audio was recorded" on the dashboard camera video that showed the shooting.

    Alvarez's office did not respond to questions Wednesday about whether her office had reached a conclusion as to why there was no sound of conversations inside the squad cars or over police radio on the videos.
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/25/why-did-authorities-say-laquan-mcdonald-lunged-at-chicago-police-officers/
    Why did authorities say Laquan McDonald lunged at Chicago police officers?

    After a Chicago police officer shot and killed 17-year-old Laquan McDonald last year, the initial information reported in local media outlets was fairly limited: A teenager armed with a knife he would not drop was shot and killed while approaching or lunging toward officers, police said. That was the story reported by the Chicago Tribune as well as the local NBC, ABC and CBS affiliates.

    These outlets cited Pat Camden, who was acting as a spokesman for the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police and offered a description of what officers encountered. Camden told reporters that McDonald had lunged at police with a knife before the gunfire and said the teenager posed “a very serious threat to the officers.” The police department also released a statement the day after the shooting saying that McDonald “refused to comply with orders to drop the knife and continued to approach the officers.”

    However, graphic video footage of the shooting released on Tuesday evening — several hours after prosecutors said that Officer Jason Van ? had been charged with first-degree murder — showed that the teenager was veering away from the officers, and that Van ? opened fire within seconds of arriving. An attorney for Van ? has said the officer feared for his life and for the lives of the other officers.

    As a result, a rather obvious question emerges: Why was it initially reported that McDonald had been lunging at officers when he was shot?

    In an interview Wednesday, Camden said that the information he released did not come directly to him from Van ? or any of the other officers who responded.

    “I never talked to the officer, period,” Camden, a former Chicago police officer and department spokesman, said in a telephone interview. He added: “I have no idea where it came from. It was being told to me after it was told to somebody else who was told by another person, and this was two hours after the incident.”

    Camden, who spent nearly three decades as an officer before becoming deputy director of media relations, said when he speaks about shootings involving police, he talks to union representatives who have arrived at the scene to gather information and then he relays that to reporters.

    “It’s hearsay, is basically what I’m putting out at that point,” Camden said, adding that he tells reporters the information is preliminary. “It’s information that’s being given to me by a third party that gathered that information from other parties.”


    The complete information about such shootings will only be available some number of weeks afterward because it takes time to complete an investigation, he said. However, he said what he releases is the “basic, fast information that you guys are always looking for.”

    “There’s always the possibility that through the investigation something is going to change,” Camden said. “In today’s information age, everything has to be instant. Some things just take time.”

    Camden said he has not been contacted by the state’s attorney who announced the charges against Van ? or any of the federal investigators who say they continue their own investigation. He also said he has not watched the video of the shooting and does not plan to, calling the incident “a tragedy on both ends.”

    Questions about the suggestion that McDonald lunged at officers continued to linger this week, stretching into the hours before the video was released. Jamie Kalven, the Chicago journalist who obtained McDonald’s autopsy report, told the Chicago Reader that someone came to him and Craig Futterman, an attorney, and said the shooting “wasn’t being vigorously investigated” and told them there was a horrifying recording of what had happened.

    The head of the police union said he was asked Tuesday about the suggestion McDonald had been lunging.

    “I was asked about the lunging comment, and the position that the video would not display that,” said Dean Angelo, president of the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police and a former city police officer and detective, said in a telephone interview. “They’re correct. The lunging is not visible, there is no lunging visible in the video itself.”

    Angelo said he had no idea where the comment came from, noting that there were “a lot of officers” around when McDonald was shot and that any of them could have relayed that detail.

    “It could’ve been anyone on the scene at that incident,” Angelo said.
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/25/laquan-mcdonald-jason-van-? -misconduct-chicago-police
    Officer who shot Laquan McDonald had 20 misconduct claims filed against him

    Chicago police officer Jason Van ? , who has been charged with murder in the 2014 shooting death of a black teenager, had 20 allegations of misconduct filed against him, according to an independent database of police complaints.

    The database, created by non-profit journalism group Invisible Institute, includes records of 10 complaints about the use of excessive force by the officer, and other allegations including “improper search of person” and “improper search of vehicle”.

    Of the 14 complaints in the database where the outcome of the allegation was known, none resulted in disciplinary action. That fits with a broader pattern revealed by the database – of the 56,361 allegations of misconduct made against Chicago police department officers just 4%, or 2,277, were sustained.


    On Tuesday, Van ? , a 14-year veteran of the force, was charged with first-degree murder in the killing of Laquan McDonald, 17, on 20 October 2014. Hours later, dashcam footage of the shooting was released, raising tensions in the city.

    The database, called the Citizens Police Data Project, was created from Freedom of Information Act (Foia) requests made to the Chicago police department, as part of a more than decade-long collaboration with the University of Chicago Law School’s Mandel Legal Aid Clinic. It’s largely made up of three datasets which cover the period 2002 to 2008 and 2011 to 2015, but continues to be regularly updated in response to individual requests.

    Searching for Van ? ’s name in the database produces records of 20 allegations of misconduct, though details are only available on allegations from 2010 onwards. He joined the force on 25 June 2001.

    A separate Foia request made by Ed Nance, who was violently handcuffed by officers during a traffic stop in 2007, showed 15 allegations made against Van ? .

    For some of the allegations in the database, further detail is available. On 23 January 2013, an allegation was made of verbal abuse that was “racial/ethnic” in nature. The final outcome was “no action taken”. About two months later, on 19 March 2013, an allegation was made by a black male that Van ? used excessive force. The allegation, one of 10 complaints about the use of excessive force by the officer, was not sustained and again no action was taken.


    Normally, the Guardian would verify the figures in the Invisible Institute database against published records from the Chicago police department. That is difficult, however, given the opacity of official sources which are published without Foia requests. Though incomplete, the database offers a snapshot of complaints against Chicago police.

    A summary of the database shows that black individuals are much less likely than white individuals to make successful complaints: black people filed 61% of the complaints in the database, and white people filed 21% of the complaints; but of the complaints that were upheld, only 25% were filed by black people, while 58% were filed by white people.

    The police data project highlights “repeat officers” – those with 10 or more complaints made against them – who make up 10% of the force but are responsible for 30% of all complaints in the database.

    One such repeat officer is Jerome Finnigan, who had 68 complaints made against him, the highest number in the database, none of which resulted in disciplinary action. Finnigan, a decorated officer, was sentenced to 12 years in prison in 2011 for robberies and other crimes, including ordering a hit on a fellow officer who he believed might expose his corruption.

    During a press conference on Tuesday about the fatal shooting of Laquan, the superintendent of Chicago’s police department asserted that the force was showing signs of improvement. Responding to a question from the press, Garry McCarthy said: “Quite frankly, you’re almost forcing me to give you the data on our police shootings over the last four years I’ve been here. They’re down almost 70%. That’s really significant.”

    But, among figures for police-involved shootings published by the City of Chicago’s Independent Police Review Authority, the only apparent 70% decline (summarised below), would be to compare the total number of fatal shootings for all of 2010 to those in just Q3 2015.

    A review of the reports of each police-involved shooting, 150 in total, published on the review authority’s site since 2010, revealed that 118 involved black males, of which 44 were fatal.

    The officers concerned in those cases were often white (we did not extract the race of the officer from each PDF document – in some cases, nine officers were involved). Fifty-five percent of the 13,336 police officers serving in Chicago are white, compared to only 32% of the community they are supposed to represent.
  • iron man1
    iron man1 Members Posts: 29,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    https://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/foxs-martha-maccallum-laquan-mcdonalds-killing-is-a-devastating-situation-for-the-policeman/
    Fox’s Martha MacCallum: Laquan McDonald’s killing is a ‘devastating situation for the policeman’

    Fox News host Martha MacCallum argued on Wednesday that the lesson that young people should take away from the shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald is that they should not be “walking away” from police.

    “This is a tragic loss of a 17-year-old boy,” the Fox News host admitted while discussing the shooting with several guests. “It is also a devastating situation — no doubt — for the policeman.”

    Conservative radio host Lars Larson asserted that Tuesday night’s protests in Chicago were “so wrong” because McDonald was carrying a knife when he was shot by Officer Jason Van ? .

    “This [police shooting] looks pretty bad, but we have to treat them individually,” MacCallum explained. “The person who feels threatened or not threatened in each situation is relevant to what’s decided here. But one thing that also needs to be discussed is where are the protesters for the children who are caught in the crossfire in Chicago, for the 400-some people killed in that city of the course of this year?”

    “It appears that the outrage is somewhat selective,” she added.

    “It’s not only selective, it’s bigoted,” Larson agreed. “The fact that Black Lives Matter only focuses on the shooting of citizens by police and in the majority of cases, people who are shot by police are shot for good reason.”

    “The reports are that this young man was on ? , he had a knife and he was resisting going to the police officers,” MacCallum noted as she played video of McDonald being shot. “And there’s another message for young people right here. When the police want to talk to you, you need to put down whatever is in your hands and you need to go over and talk to them.”


    Emily Tisch Sussman of the Center for American Progress Action Fund reminded MacCallum that it was legal to carry a knife in Chicago.

    “And if his past experience has not been police have been respectful and cooperative — look, it goes both ways,” Sussman insisted.

    MaCallum interrupted: “But how many situations where someone turns around and says, ‘I’ve got a gripe with you police officer, but I’m going to go with you and then we’re going to hash this out.’ I mean, this young man should not have been walking away from police who were asking him to come over and talk to them because it ended in absolute tragic circumstances for him and his family.”

    “But not speaking to police does not equal the ability for them to be shooting 16 times,” Sussman observed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnxlLEsI8vM

    Yup...that's right. If you walk away from police instead of them trying to talk to you like a human being or calm you down to try and understand what's going on with an individual you'll end up ahot 17 times with no warning and as soon as they step out the vehicle.

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  • ZuluQueen
    ZuluQueen Members Posts: 190
    ZuluQueen wrote: »
    Am I supposed to have anger and protest because a white man shot and killed a black kid, while blacks in Chicago are doing the same thing to each other every single day? Wheres the protest, or are we only upset when white people ? us? This is a sick dichotomy to practice.

    Cmon man!!! I was just giving you praises for being level headed when you're not crazy then you type this ? . Black people that ? black people go to jail. White cops who ? black people get 13 months to figure out what the ? they're going to say before they get arrested, they get paid vacations and they keep their job which mainly consists of terrorizing black women and men. As intelligent as you say you are surely you understand the difference. Yeah, we have our issues. But we are punished for ours and cops are praised for theirs.

    "Terrorism running through them on their television
    Introversion, indecision, reactionism, hypocrism
    Phony nationalism, dishpan Africanism
    Material hypnotisms, monopoly, militarist devi-isms, sadomasochisms
    Intellectual fetishisms sold on computers and televisions
    Exploitative need a saviour to correct the system"
  • Brother_Five
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    edited November 2015
  • MarcusGarvey
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    edited November 2015

    Good looking on the run down of the prosecutor......Nothing will change, the cop will beat first degree murder, ? is a set up, courts will point out cops have discretion in using force.
    The black politicians and "leaders" are on the take, they poverty pimps, they don't have a backbone, they are to be held responsible as well for keeping the status quo
  • JusDre313
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  • 7figz
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    Did President Obama call for calm yet ?
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-thanks-his-hometown-for-keeping-the-laquan-mcdonald-protests-peaceful/
    President Obama took to Facebook a short while ago to address the black teen whose brutal death has been a major source of racial contention towards police over the past few days:
    Like many Americans, I was deeply disturbed by the footage of the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald. This Thanksgiving, I ask everybody to keep those who’ve suffered tragic loss in our thoughts and prayers, and to be thankful for the overwhelming majority of men and women in uniform who protect our communities with honor. And I’m personally grateful to the people of my hometown for keeping protests peaceful.

    Barry has spoken everybody...
  • Copper
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    Those “black leaders" have added nothing relevant to this situation thus far
  • iron man1
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    Copper wrote: »
    Those “black leaders" have added nothing relevant to this situation thus far

    Their still asking the one's who are getting gunned down while unarmed to be peaceful instead of the ones doing the gunning down. Typical.
  • MallyG
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    twizza 77 wrote: »


    Shouts out to Dan, Greg and of course Bomani for opening discussion w/ no filter and keepin' it all the way Non-Fiction!!

    Some of the realist words spoken from a real individual!
  • CeLLaR-DooR
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    ? damn @ that DA
  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LordZuko wrote: »
    Huey_C wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    Have any gang bangers did anything yet or are their bullets only reserved for black folk

    Gangbangers work for white supremacist, they would never harm their own

    gangmembers goons, and thugs should be compared to bandits. They have no allegiance to anyone, and are only dedicated to getting money. they don't even have a desire to rule, they just want material gain for the sake of it. So these types of people can never be revolutionary as they can never be fully trusted and are readily bought off by 12. Look how often they snitch on friends you think they could be trusted to hold down an uprising. Fuuuuuck that!

    u mean todays gangbangers....the ones during the civil rights were bout it

    No they weren't. That's why they all eventually started selling poison to their own people.
  • Swiffness!
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    edited November 2015
    and ZuluQueen just another white troll failing to sound convincingly black on AllHipHop, disregard

    some ppl need to step they Identification, friend or foe (IFF) game up round here....

    cuz in a few months these saltine agent provocateurs gonna try an recruit us to ISIS and ? lol