GnS Politics 2016: Death Penalty
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Pro-Life (Against death penalty)The death penalty should be reserved for instances where rehabilitation has proven futile and only such rare cases.
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i'm against it. its pointless.
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)It's pretty arbitrary for us to feel like it's ok for the government to determine when killing someone is justifiable and carry out the killing, but it's not ok for a regular citizen to do it. There is literally no basis for this at all. Not that I can think of, anyway. But I was wrong once before in like '98, so it could be happening again.
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For Death Penalty (Courts/Jurors Decision)Taken from another thread:*Bonus* Capital Punishment - Some people just NEED to die for their crimes. ? -a life in prison with no parole. Ted Bundy had to go. The DC sniper, too. Dylan Roof needs to be ? electrocuted with no sponge for that ? in Charleston. I don't think the death penalty should be applied in every homicide case, but there are some cases where that's the only punishment worth the crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that real Christians would be against it. Read the Bible. People got death for things a fuckload lighter than murder back then: Theft, ? , ADULTERY, you name it.
The real problem with capital punishment in America is the incredibly slow legal system. I'd say, from sentence to execution should take no more than a year, tops, and all appeals must be 100% revisited in each detail to ensure no one is wrongfully executed. It doesn't take 30 years to exhaust appeals, it doesn't. -
For Death Penalty (Courts/Jurors Decision)Folks always against the death penalty until there family gets murdered by some crazy fcker and he gets off on a technicality
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For Death Penalty (Victims family's decision)im with it depending on the crime of course
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Pro-Life (Against death penalty)For the people who would be cool with the victim's family deciding if the death penalty is warranted or not, what crimes could be eligible?
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Pro-Life (Against death penalty)Judge_Judah wrote: »
Thou shalt not ? .
Ex 20:13
Strongs # 07523 for "? " in that verse.
RATSACH
I.to murder, slay, ?
A.(Qal) to murder, slay
i.premeditated
ii.accidental
iii.as avenger
iv.slayer (intentional) (participle)
B.(Niphal) to be slain
C.(Piel)
i.to murder, assassinate
ii.murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
D.(Pual) to be killed
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
רָצַח râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. ? (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, ? , (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).
There is a difference in context you cannot just go by dictionary definitions outside of context. If people followed context they would be a lot less confused
That is the strongs number and definition used for that exact verse tho..... -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)Taken from another thread:*Bonus* Capital Punishment - Some people just NEED to die for their crimes. ? -a life in prison with no parole. Ted Bundy had to go. The DC sniper, too. Dylan Roof needs to be ? electrocuted with no sponge for that ? in Charleston. I don't think the death penalty should be applied in every homicide case, but there are some cases where that's the only punishment worth the crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that real Christians would be against it. Read the Bible. People got death for things a fuckload worse than murder back then: Theft, ? , ADULTERY, you name it.
The real problem with capital punishment in America is the incredibly slow legal system. I'd say, from sentence to execution should take no more than a year, tops, and all appeals must be 100% revisited in each detail to ensure no one is wrongfully executed. It doesn't take 30 years to exhaust appeals, it doesn't.
Thought the New Testament encourages believers to forgive; leave revenge and vengeance to ? ; do not repay evil with evil????
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For Death Penalty (Victims family's decision)Judge_Judah wrote: »Judge_Judah wrote: »
Thou shalt not ? .
Ex 20:13
Strongs # 07523 for "? " in that verse.
RATSACH
I.to murder, slay, ?
A.(Qal) to murder, slay
i.premeditated
ii.accidental
iii.as avenger
iv.slayer (intentional) (participle)
B.(Niphal) to be slain
C.(Piel)
i.to murder, assassinate
ii.murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
D.(Pual) to be killed
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
רָצַח râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. ? (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, ? , (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).
There is a difference in context you cannot just go by dictionary definitions outside of context. If people followed context they would be a lot less confused
That is the strongs number and definition used for that exact verse tho.....
So the definition given by strongs is in linev with what I said. -
For Death Penalty (Courts/Jurors Decision)The death penalty is grossly unethical and such a barbarous practice has no place in civilized society. It doesn't work as a deterrent, innocent people have been wrongly put to death. It's state sanctioned murder
Sooo? I really dislike those peaceful non violent muthafckas like u. Sometimes society needs alittle madness and uncivilized activity -
For Death Penalty (Victims family's decision)desertrain10 wrote: »Taken from another thread:*Bonus* Capital Punishment - Some people just NEED to die for their crimes. ? -a life in prison with no parole. Ted Bundy had to go. The DC sniper, too. Dylan Roof needs to be ? electrocuted with no sponge for that ? in Charleston. I don't think the death penalty should be applied in every homicide case, but there are some cases where that's the only punishment worth the crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that real Christians would be against it. Read the Bible. People got death for things a fuckload worse than murder back then: Theft, ? , ADULTERY, you name it.
The real problem with capital punishment in America is the incredibly slow legal system. I'd say, from sentence to execution should take no more than a year, tops, and all appeals must be 100% revisited in each detail to ensure no one is wrongfully executed. It doesn't take 30 years to exhaust appeals, it doesn't.
Thought the New Testament encourages believers to forgive; leave revenge and vengeance to ? ; do not repay evil with evil????
It encourages to live by the laws of the nation you reside in as much as possible but also try to live godly. The amount of Jewish traditionalv law that a Christian has to practice has been a matter of contention among Christians for centuries -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)Judge_Judah wrote: »Judge_Judah wrote: »
Thou shalt not ? .
Ex 20:13
Strongs # 07523 for "? " in that verse.
RATSACH
I.to murder, slay, ?
A.(Qal) to murder, slay
i.premeditated
ii.accidental
iii.as avenger
iv.slayer (intentional) (participle)
B.(Niphal) to be slain
C.(Piel)
i.to murder, assassinate
ii.murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
D.(Pual) to be killed
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
רָצַח râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. ? (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, ? , (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).
There is a difference in context you cannot just go by dictionary definitions outside of context. If people followed context they would be a lot less confused
That is the strongs number and definition used for that exact verse tho.....
So the definition given by strongs is in linev with what I said.
If you were quoting from exodus 20:13, yes sir. -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)mryounggun wrote: »It's pretty arbitrary for us to feel like it's ok for the government to determine when killing someone is justifiable and carry out the killing, but it's not ok for a regular citizen to do it. There is literally no basis for this at all. Not that I can think of, anyway. But I was wrong once before in like '98, so it could be happening again.
But that's exactly the case with imprisonment also.
I hear what you're saying, but yea... -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)desertrain10 wrote: »Taken from another thread:*Bonus* Capital Punishment - Some people just NEED to die for their crimes. ? -a life in prison with no parole. Ted Bundy had to go. The DC sniper, too. Dylan Roof needs to be ? electrocuted with no sponge for that ? in Charleston. I don't think the death penalty should be applied in every homicide case, but there are some cases where that's the only punishment worth the crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that real Christians would be against it. Read the Bible. People got death for things a fuckload worse than murder back then: Theft, ? , ADULTERY, you name it.
The real problem with capital punishment in America is the incredibly slow legal system. I'd say, from sentence to execution should take no more than a year, tops, and all appeals must be 100% revisited in each detail to ensure no one is wrongfully executed. It doesn't take 30 years to exhaust appeals, it doesn't.
Thought the New Testament encourages believers to forgive; leave revenge and vengeance to ? ; do not repay evil with evil????
It encourages to live by the laws of the nation you reside in as much as possible but also try to live godly. The amount of Jewish traditionalv law that a Christian has to practice has been a matter of contention among Christians for centuries
But the New Testament derived from the teachings of Christ himself does encourage those values, correct?
Values that are indirect contention with the death penalty -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »It's pretty arbitrary for us to feel like it's ok for the government to determine when killing someone is justifiable and carry out the killing, but it's not ok for a regular citizen to do it. There is literally no basis for this at all. Not that I can think of, anyway. But I was wrong once before in like '98, so it could be happening again.
But that's exactly the case with imprisonment also.
I hear hat you're saying, but yea...
Agreed, but there is a societal NEED for some some to be incarcerated so it's one of those things that - good or bad - needs to exist. And there's no finality to it.
Death, on the other hand... -
Don't trust the current justice system with someone's freedom, let alone their life
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Pro-Life (Against death penalty)I just think there has to be another way, than to just ? someone. There has to be something valuable that can come from them. Force them to work for their meals, particularly in ways that could benefit society. There has to be some ? work they could do for free.
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obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »I just think there has to be another way, than to just ? someone. There has to be something valuable that can come from them. Force them to work for their meals, particularly in ways that could benefit society. There has to be some ? work they could do for free.
so slavery? interesting. -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)BiblicalAtheist wrote: »Pedophiles, they gotta go.
Them and rapists ? closest to changing my tune -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)Brother_Five wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »I just think there has to be another way, than to just ? someone. There has to be something valuable that can come from them. Force them to work for their meals, particularly in ways that could benefit society. There has to be some ? work they could do for free.
so slavery? interesting.
Yaaaasssss
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Lmao @ OB out here sentencing ? to community service for life
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Pro-Life (Against death penalty)Jameson_Porcupine wrote: »Lmao @ OB out here sentencing ? to community service for life
There has to be some ? out here besides making license plates that we all need, but no one wants to do. They should have to do that ? . Or not get dinner. -
For Death Penalty (Victims family's decision)desertrain10 wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »Taken from another thread:*Bonus* Capital Punishment - Some people just NEED to die for their crimes. ? -a life in prison with no parole. Ted Bundy had to go. The DC sniper, too. Dylan Roof needs to be ? electrocuted with no sponge for that ? in Charleston. I don't think the death penalty should be applied in every homicide case, but there are some cases where that's the only punishment worth the crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that real Christians would be against it. Read the Bible. People got death for things a fuckload worse than murder back then: Theft, ? , ADULTERY, you name it.
The real problem with capital punishment in America is the incredibly slow legal system. I'd say, from sentence to execution should take no more than a year, tops, and all appeals must be 100% revisited in each detail to ensure no one is wrongfully executed. It doesn't take 30 years to exhaust appeals, it doesn't.
Thought the New Testament encourages believers to forgive; leave revenge and vengeance to ? ; do not repay evil with evil????
It encourages to live by the laws of the nation you reside in as much as possible but also try to live godly. The amount of Jewish traditionalv law that a Christian has to practice has been a matter of contention among Christians for centuries
But the New Testament derived from the teachings of Christ himself does encourage those values, correct?
Values that are indirect contention with the death penalty
I have seen nothing in the new testament that would indicate Jesus would be against the death penalty for unrepentant people. -
Pro-Life (Against death penalty)desertrain10 wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »Taken from another thread:*Bonus* Capital Punishment - Some people just NEED to die for their crimes. ? -a life in prison with no parole. Ted Bundy had to go. The DC sniper, too. Dylan Roof needs to be ? electrocuted with no sponge for that ? in Charleston. I don't think the death penalty should be applied in every homicide case, but there are some cases where that's the only punishment worth the crime. Frankly, I'm surprised that real Christians would be against it. Read the Bible. People got death for things a fuckload worse than murder back then: Theft, ? , ADULTERY, you name it.
The real problem with capital punishment in America is the incredibly slow legal system. I'd say, from sentence to execution should take no more than a year, tops, and all appeals must be 100% revisited in each detail to ensure no one is wrongfully executed. It doesn't take 30 years to exhaust appeals, it doesn't.
Thought the New Testament encourages believers to forgive; leave revenge and vengeance to ? ; do not repay evil with evil????
It encourages to live by the laws of the nation you reside in as much as possible but also try to live godly. The amount of Jewish traditionalv law that a Christian has to practice has been a matter of contention among Christians for centuries
But the New Testament derived from the teachings of Christ himself does encourage those values, correct?
Values that are indirect contention with the death penalty
I have seen nothing in the new testament that would indicate Jesus would be against the death penalty for unrepentant people.
Again he encourages his followers to forgive; to leave the judgement of others to ? ; to not repay evil with evil
Murdering someone for essentially committing a sin when we are ourselves are sinners does not jive with the aforementioned
Than there is the story of how he stopped a woman from being stoned to death because she broke a law of the land
All of which says to me that Jesus would not be down for capital punishment
Most major religion leaders today oppose the death penalty
