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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNgb_BUsOs4The Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is, as Regular Car Reviews explains, everything wrong with Fiat Chrysler right now, everything wrong with a muscle car, and everything wrong with a big personal vehicle. And yet...
The Hellcat, as Mr. Regular explains, is a lazy car. It’s good at doing what it was intended to do: be the most powerful muscle car on sale today.
But what does that matter? Why does someone need to pay Chrysler to stick a supercharger on a Challenger rather than just do it themselves? And who really wants The Most Powerful Muscle Car On Sale Today when we all know it will only be a matter of time before there’s a new Most Powerful.
Look beyond the burnouts and the Hellcat is a disposable car, and one that isn’t exactly a shining beacon of modernity, something that Chrysler needs at the moment. Sure, Jeep is cleaning up selling America the crossovers it wants, but that’s just one brand. Dodge and Chrysler are a different story, one with deficiencies not exactly filled by a 1950s cuss of a car.
And yet... even Mr. Regular can’t help but love it.
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Thats a confusing ? article.
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What? You gotta be trolling. Go buy a base v6 Challenger, put 2500 worth of mods in it and find a Hellcat to race. Report your results lol.Black_Samson wrote: »Its a muscle car that does all the fun stuff for you.
I dont get buying the purpose of buying a muscle car that mass produced and already hopped up. Like... what Chrysler do to it that cant be done to a base model with 2500 bones and a weekend? -
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What? You gotta be trolling. Go buy a base v6 Challenger, put 2500 worth of mods in it and find a Hellcat to race. Report your results lol.Black_Samson wrote: »Its a muscle car that does all the fun stuff for you.
I dont get buying the purpose of buying a muscle car that mass produced and already hopped up. Like... what Chrysler do to it that cant be done to a base model with 2500 bones and a weekend?
lmao hes on ? if he thinks that's possible -
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You said $2500 though, that's the only part I had issue with. Anything can be made fast with enough money, that just wasn't enough to do it.
And in the end you still only competing with a STOCK Hellcat.
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why ? the hellcat?
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Black_Samson wrote: »why ? the hellcat?
one... cause i'm a purist. i'll go head and admit that right away.
yes i'm biased.
two... paying $60,000 for a muscle car made in 2015 is obsurd.
take your ass to an auto auction and actually buy the car of your dreams if you got it like that.
three... the price is what i truly have an issue with.
you are buying a car which it's cheaper variants have oversaturated the market and the only real difference is a decal and performance package.
this is why pontiac went out of business and GM is now in Govt hands.
just imagine what you could do with a $6000 chassis and a restoration project with that kinda money?
but i get it... instant gratification and all that.
and i dont fault yall for that.... too much.
When you explain it like this it makes perfect sense.
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Black_Samson wrote: »why ? the hellcat?
one... cause i'm a purist. i'll go head and admit that right away.
yes i'm biased.
two... paying $60,000 for a muscle car made in 2015 is obsurd.
take your ass to an auto auction and actually buy the car of your dreams if you got it like that.
three... the price is what i truly have an issue with.
you are buying a car which it's cheaper variants have oversaturated the market and the only real difference is a decal and performance package.
this is why pontiac went out of business and GM is now in Govt hands.
just imagine what you could do with a $6000 chassis and a restoration project with that kinda money?
but i get it... instant gratification and all that.
and i dont fault yall for that.... too much.
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Black_Samson wrote: »wilberdmillz wrote: »You said $2500 though, that's the only part I had issue with. Anything can be made fast with enough money, that just wasn't enough to do it.
And in the end you still only competing with a STOCK Hellcat.
Point still remains.
Thats like buying a raptor instead of just putting Fox shocks on your F150.
I dunno man.
I just dont see the big deal.
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Black_Samson wrote: »wilberdmillz wrote: »You said $2500 though, that's the only part I had issue with. Anything can be made fast with enough money, that just wasn't enough to do it.
And in the end you still only competing with a STOCK Hellcat.
Point still remains.
Thats like buying a raptor instead of just putting Fox shocks on your F150.
I dunno man.
I just dont see the big deal.
Your leaving out that the Raptor has a 6.2 in it.
Leaving out a lot more than that.
Think about how much time companies spend developing these cars. The cars are built to last for over 100,000+ miles. I'd be very surprised if I could take the CHASSIS and build it to perform reliably like the Hellcat for much less than 60k. Lets say you don't build/spec that motor just right and blown it up within the first 20k miles of use. There's another 5-10K down the drain replacing it, with the factory car that motor will be covered under warranty for 60k miles (Dodge may have the 100k drive train warranty, not sure). I'd take that peace of mind over trying to cheap out a little bit building it myself from the ground up. -
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If I wanted to replace the motor in my SRT.....
NEW 6.1L SRT8 G3 Hemi Crate Engine
(LX Cars Charger, 300, Magnum, Challenger)
Price: $7,690.00
http://www.bpeusa.com/61LHemiEngines.asp
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http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/ten-used-cars-that-can-? -a-dodge-hellcat-for-less-th-1752856621JALOPNIK
January 14, 2016
Ten Used Cars That Can ? A Dodge Hellcat For Less Than $60,000
Freddy "Tavarish" Hernandez on The Garage, shared by Patrick George to Jalopnik
When Dodge released its 707-horsepower Hellcat
line of cars (and soon to be Jeeps!), it marked an rubber-covered line in sand that every other new car manufacturer wouldn’t dare cross. The used car market has quite a different story . Here are 10 cars that would show a Hellcat its taillights, under a 60 grand budget.
10. 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1
This Chevy Camaro ZL1 used to be the pony car top-dog for, like, 10 minutes until Ford and Dodge brought in their tactical nukes, but what this particular Camaro has on its side is the ability to be modified to four digit horsepower on a budget that would make any supercar owner question their seemingly frivolous life choices. Do not drive it in Virginia
, ever.
Grab a smaller pulley and some supporting mods with the left over budget and practice your hearty scoff for when a Hellcat owner comes ‘round.
(Suggested by Arrivederci)
9. 1991 Chevrolet Corvette
This Chevy C4 Corvette isn’t exactly stock, but it will line up with and school anything made by Dodge in the last century. I’ll let NegativeEd explain:
1991 Turbo Vette - Why? Because. Race Car. Claimed 1,000 hp and 1.45 60' in the quarter mile at 138 mph. Aside from the HUGE rear tires, car looks like a ‘91 Vette should look so none should be the wiser until you stomp on the skinny pedal. Unlike the Hellcat, this car appears to have all the mods needed to keep you as protected as possible should you NOT have the proper experience to handle all that horsepower as it is seen above at an actual drag strip where you need to pass a safety inspection.
Other than that, it’s a beautiful blue, smokes the SNOT out of some beefy sneakers and comes stock with T-TOPS! Did I mention it’s a Corvette too?
Mods I would make? Big f’in sign on the dash, “Sit down, buckle up, try not to scream like the Nance you are and hold the F on.”
(Suggested by NegativeEd)
8. 2012 Ford Shelby GT500
This Shelby GT500 is two things: a misnomer because it has more than 550 horsepower coming from its supercharged V8 engine, and perhaps the world’s fastest rental car lookalike. No, I’m not counting the Corvette ZHZ. Although the drivetrain separates this car from what your neighbor’s daughter wrecked after her forever boyfriend found his forever boyfriend, it’s almost identical to the Florida-spec rental models. I’d debadge it, install a smaller pulley with a tune, put on some non-descript cheapo wheels and go Hellcat hunting.
(Suggested by Arrivederci)
7. 2010 BMW M5
Just because this BMW E60 M5 has an incredibly complex and high strung engine doesn’t mean that the formula for heart-stopping power can’t be stupid simple. I’ll let mjensenwv explain:
An E60 M5 has you at 500 hp and 400 pounds less than a challenger. Can be had for $30k in good order. For an additional $10k you can throw an ESS system on there, good for 650 ponies. Use the remaining $20k for stickers and ? .
(Suggested by mjensenwv)
6. 2011 Suzuki Hayabusa
Yes, I’m aware that this isn’t technically a car. It’s in here anyway because, as my favorite philosopher Kirsten Dunst once said, “This isn’t a cheerocracy, this is a cheertatorship.”
While I’m not much of a bike guy because my first and last ride ended up with me in a fence, I have to admire the sheer speed that a bone stock motorcycle can deliver. I’ll let themanwithsauce explain:
Actual entry- 2 wheels good. Hayabusa is the gold standard of the 200hp bike club. Might not be the fastest of fastest of the fastest but it’ll run right up to 180+ and do more with mods and upgrades. Here’s a STOCK example for 8300. Faster than a challenger in a straight line all day, every day. Plus there’s plenty ofleftover room to modify the bike. They tour well if you don’t get the squid options like a long swingarm and a turbo. Get some bags and some comfy gear and this thing’ll do hundreds of miles at a time. Very, very, VERY quickly.
(Suggested by themanwithsauce)
5. 2006 Mercedes S65 AMG
This Mercedes S65 AMG is the car that the public seldom talks about because most don’t know it exists, and an even smaller number of folks have been able to take them to their terrifying performance limits. I’ll let dannyzabolotny explain:
It’s the last of the good looking Mercedes S-class, before they became all sharp and chunky looking with too many damn screens(in my opinion). The engine is a relatively simple 6.0L V12 with twin turbos, generating 604hp stock with 738 ft-lbs of torque. A tune can get it to over 700hp, enabling you to wipe the floor with anything that has “Hellcat” in its name.
(Suggested by dannyzabolotny)
4. 2004 Mustang Cobra SVT
This relatively cheap, rip-roarin’ Mustang Cobra SVT is proof that there’s more than one way to skin a Hellcat. With its stout and throaty engine and ability to take to breathing mods with ease, it’s the used car adversary that might finally be the David to Dodge’s Goliath. I’m John Davis, and you’re watching MotorWeek.
Here’s the rundown of what you’d need, as explained by MikaelVroom:
Clean 2004 SVT Cobra: $30K, 3.4L Whipple Supercharger kit: $5700
On the stock block, bottom end, heads, exhaust manifolds, cats, etc., this setup is capable of 700+hp at 24+psi. Figure another $4300 for installation, dyno tuning, etc., and you’re in Hellcat killing territory for $40k.
(Suggested by MikaelVroom)
3. 2010 Nissan GT-R
This Nissan GT-R makes me want to write an article entitled Why Buy A Hellcat When You Can Liquify Your Organs With Lateral G-Forces For Less?
Obviously you can crank the boost and acquire a 700+ horsepower a tune for almost no money at all, but even in stock form, this car defies logic and ignores the laws of physics like it’s a Powerball winner’s Facebook messages. It’s an automotive experience unlike any other.
(Suggested by Patrick Frawley)
2. Shelby Cobra Factory Five Replica
This Shelby Cobra Replica made by one of the best kit car makers in the industry can be fitted with almost any insanely overpowered drivetrain you can imagine. With the curb weight of a Higgs-Boson and no roof or reasonable measure of safety, it had an incredible power delivery that was every bit as terrifying as it was record-breaking. Drive one and you’ll get it.
(Suggested by TSJC)
1. 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
This Chevrolet Corvette ZR1> is less practical than the Hellcat and it’s probably a little more pricey if you get into a fender ? . However, it’s one of the best looking, sounding and performing Corvettes ever made.
Despite a lower horsepower figure, it’ll keep pace with a Hellcat and with some cash breathed into its 6.2 liter supercharged V8, it can be the overwhelming, cup-runneth-over handful that you always wanted but never had the nerve to actually purchase. Well, here’s your chance. -
wilberdmillz wrote: »Black_Samson wrote: »wilberdmillz wrote: »You said $2500 though, that's the only part I had issue with. Anything can be made fast with enough money, that just wasn't enough to do it.
And in the end you still only competing with a STOCK Hellcat.
Point still remains.
Thats like buying a raptor instead of just putting Fox shocks on your F150.
I dunno man.
I just dont see the big deal.
Your leaving out that the Raptor has a 6.2 in it.
Leaving out a lot more than that.
Think about how much time companies spend developing these cars. The cars are built to last for over 100,000+ miles. I'd be very surprised if I could take the CHASSIS and build it to perform reliably like the Hellcat for much less than 60k. Lets say you don't build/spec that motor just right and blown it up within the first 20k miles of use. There's another 5-10K down the drain replacing it, with the factory car that motor will be covered under warranty for 60k miles (Dodge may have the 100k drive train warranty, not sure). I'd take that peace of mind over trying to cheap out a little bit building it myself from the ground up.
I wanted to add more than just the engine, but I didn't wanna type it out. Thanks bruh. lol
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EmM HoLLa. wrote: »http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/ten-used-cars-that-can-? -a-dodge-hellcat-for-less-th-1752856621
JALOPNIK
January 14, 2016
Ten Used Cars That Can ? A Dodge Hellcat For Less Than $60,000
Freddy "Tavarish" Hernandez on The Garage, shared by Patrick George to Jalopnik
When Dodge released its 707-horsepower Hellcat
line of cars (and soon to be Jeeps!), it marked an rubber-covered line in sand that every other new car manufacturer wouldn’t dare cross. The used car market has quite a different story . Here are 10 cars that would show a Hellcat its taillights, under a 60 grand budget.
5. 2006 Mercedes S65 AMG
This Mercedes S65 AMG is the car that the public seldom talks about because most don’t know it exists, and an even smaller number of folks have been able to take them to their terrifying performance limits. I’ll let dannyzabolotny explain:
It’s the last of the good looking Mercedes S-class, before they became all sharp and chunky looking with too many damn screens(in my opinion). The engine is a relatively simple 6.0L V12 with twin turbos, generating 604hp stock with 738 ft-lbs of torque. A tune can get it to over 700hp, enabling you to wipe the floor with anything that has “Hellcat” in its name.
(Suggested by dannyzabolotny)konceptjones wrote: »... I already posted a 1/4 mile trap of 11.66 @ 124mph from an S65 AMG at the drag strip, and you can buy a 2005/06 S65 AMG right now for $20K-$30K.konceptjones wrote: »... For the record, the older W220 S65 AMG's had ~610hp from a twin turbo V12. You could request an AMG ECU tweak (IIRC, you can have it done at any MB dealership) that fully unleashed the engine. With the tweak in place, the engine developed nearly 750hp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=HLeuDZz-PZo
... I'd rather drive an AMG joint than the Hellcat. No matter how many ways you try to cut it, the Hellcat is still a Dodge with a gang of Mercedes parts in it (it's true). I'd rather have the real deal.
I done told y'all about the W220 S65 AMG... -
Black_Samson wrote: »why ? the hellcat?
one... cause i'm a purist. i'll go head and admit that right away.
yes i'm biased.
two... paying $60,000 for a muscle car made in 2015 is obsurd.
take your ass to an auto auction and actually buy the car of your dreams if you got it like that.
three... the price is what i truly have an issue with.
you are buying a car which it's cheaper variants have oversaturated the market and the only real difference is a decal and performance package.
this is why pontiac went out of business and GM is now in Govt hands.
just imagine what you could do with a $6000 chassis and a restoration project with that kinda money?
but i get it... instant gratification and all that.
and i dont fault yall for that.... too much.
Look, I've posted a few cars in here in the past that would make quick work of the Hellcat, some of which were FWD 4 cylinder cars. There's DSM cars (Eclipse/Laser/Talon/Mirage or Stealth/3000GT's), Supras, 300ZX's, Porsche 944 Turbo's, and a whole slew of other cars out there that can be bought, restored, and modded for under $20K that would make the Hellcat look like it's driving in reverse.
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Comparing an old modded car to a new stock car is stupid AF. How is that angle even taken?
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Black_Samson wrote: »wilberdmillz wrote: »Comparing an old modded car to a new stock car is stupid AF. How is that angle even taken?
i concede to you on the raptor argument... that was a stupid example.
my main argument is that buying these new iterations when you can be restoring an older one for cheaper while making it gain value is a bit...... peculiar.
but again that lends to the instant gratification argument.
just think what you could do with 60k and a 1968 charger frame...Black_Samson wrote: »wilberdmillz wrote: »Comparing an old modded car to a new stock car is stupid AF. How is that angle even taken?
i concede to you on the raptor argument... that was a stupid example.
my main argument is that buying these new iterations when you can be restoring an older one for cheaper while making it gain value is a bit...... peculiar.
but again that lends to the instant gratification argument.
just think what you could do with 60k and a 1968 charger frame...
True, when I get a little more settled in life I plan to buy a new edge mustang and build it up.
For now I like the fact that I can buy a car with 700hp and a warranty. I got rid of my Mustang because it was nickle and diming me to the point that it was better to have a new car+note.
The AMG Koncept posted is badass, but you have to get it knowing its going to be a money pit since its out of warranty and a freaking Mercedes.
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