Another Black man is dead cause of a senile pig couldn't tell difference between a cellphone & a gun

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http://www.ksat.com/news/sapd-man-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-had-cellphone-in-hand
SAPD: Man killed in officer-involved shooting had cellphone in hand

SAN ANTONIO - A 36-year-old man who was shot and killed Thursday by a San Antonio police officer had a cellphone in his hand and wasn't armed with a weapon, Police Chief William McManus said Friday.

McManus said at a news conference that Officer John Lee feared for his life and shot Antronie Scott once in the chest.

The shooting happened just after 6 p.m. Thursday outside the Wood Hollow Apartments near Isom and East Ramsey roads.

McManus said undercover detectives with SAPD's Repeat Offenders Program had been watching Scott, who was wanted on two felony warrants, one for narcotics and one for possession of a firearm.

The undercover detectives called for a uniformed officer to make the stop, McManus said. He said that department policy does not allow undercover officers to not make stops, because they are not in uniform and not in marked vehicles.

McManus said Lee, who was in uniform, pulled behind Scott's vehicle in a marked patrol car with its lights on and both men exited their vehicles.

Lee said Scott spun around toward Lee with something in his hand. Lee shot once, hitting Scott in the upper torso.

McManus said Friday that Scott was holding a cellphone when he was shot. A gun was not found at the scene.


A woman inside Scott's vehicle was not hurt, McManus said.

McManus said there is audio of the shooting, but no video because of the way the vehicles were positioned. McManus described the audio recording on Thursday night.

"The officer says 'Show me your hands' very quickly. And then almost before he even finished saying it, one shot is fired. And it struck the individual in the upper torso," McManus said.

KSAT 12 News has requested a copy of the audio recording of the shooting.

McManus said Friday that the Police Department's shooting team is investigating before the case is sent to the District Attorney's Office for review.

Our officer-involved shooting team does a very, very good job in digging up the facts and laying it out exactly how it happened," McManus said at Friday's press conference.

McManus said officers canvased the area around the shooting scene Thursday night to talk to witnesses.

He said the department wants to "make sure all the I’s are dotted and all the T’s are crossed, especially in this climate of officer-involved shootings."

McManus said the department wants to be transparent with the public and “make sure we get it right the first time.”

Lee, a 10-year veteran, is on administrative duty during the investigation.

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  • stringer bell
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    http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Man-wanted-on-two-felony-warrants-shot-dead-by-6809709.php#photo-9357365
    Officer John Lee, a 10-year veteran of SAPD, pulled up to Scott as he was exiting a white Mercedes sedan, approached him and told him, “Let me see your hands,” then almost immediately fired his service weapon because Scott spun around quickly and the officer feared for his life, McManus said Friday.

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    So this pig had his gun out ready to shoot.. Yet at the same time is scared for his life...
  • Swiffness!
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    [Blue has been shot]
    Cop 1: Jesus Christ! What gun? He's got a ? hero sandwich here.
    Cop 2: What do you want? It's pitch black. It's tinfoil. It looked like a gun!
    Cop 1: You ? ! I'll be doing paperwork for two months because of you and this ? , you ? ' ? -off.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cv8UCTGDw

    Guess he didn't have time to plant the pistol.
  • Lurkristocrat
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  • The_Jackal
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    Needs to be a fundamentally change in policing
  • blackgod813
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    ? kinda scary actually
  • MECCA1000
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    Not defending the pig but why dude hop out the car
  • Copper
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    AggyAF wrote: »
    "Feared for his life" i hate that line

    ? do be spinning around fast af though
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/brian_chasnoff/article/McManus-Police-need-better-training-not-harsher-6810835.php
    McManus: Police need better training, not harsher discipline

    Police Chief William McManus has acknowledged that the Police Department must “re-engineer the use of force,” a need underscored this week by the fatal officer-involved shooting of an unarmed man.

    Officers must learn to communicate more calmly with citizens, McManus has said. This re-engineering, however, does not involve more harshly punishing officers who end up using excessive force.

    “I don’t think there needs to be a shift toward more punitive (discipline),”
    McManus told me Friday. “It’s already punitive enough.”

    He added, “We’re not trying to make officers do the right thing or understand proper tactics by holding a hammer over their head. It’s got to be training. I like to think our officers don’t need to be threatened with discipline to use the right amount of force in these circumstances.”

    On Thursday, Officer John Lee, an 11-year veteran of SAPD, fatally shot Antronie Scott, a 36-year-old black man, after mistaking Scott’s cellphone for a gun.

    Wanted on two felony warrants, Scott was exiting a vehicle when the officer approached and said, “Let me see your hands,” then almost immediately fired his weapon because Scott spun around quickly and the officer feared for his life, McManus told reporters.

    The use of force by local police recently turned the head of a congressman.

    U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-San Antonio, grew concerned after learning that two officers were suspended for only five days after severely beating Roger Carlos in a case of mistaken identity in May 2014. Carlos told the San Antonio Express-News that his injuries required surgery that left him paralyzed.

    McManus is complying with a request by Castro for data on how the department disciplines its officers accused of using excessive force.

    “I’m encouraged that they’ve been very cooperative and forthcoming and understand the need for further reforms,” Castro told me last week.

    But reforming the Police Department does not require enhancing its disciplinary process, McManus said Friday.

    “Re-engineering the use of force is about training and what the law allows in terms of officer discretion,” McManus said. “It’s a training-slash-education issue, and there needs to be, in many cases, a change in the way we do things, a change in tactics.”

    Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, agreed.

    Wexler led a gathering last week in Washington of nearly 200 law enforcement leaders, including McManus, to develop new principles on the use of force.

    And this week, Wexler spoke at a Major Cities Chiefs Association meeting in San Antonio, where more than 60 police chiefs from across the nation gathered at a downtown hotel to discuss a variety of topics, including the use of force.

    “We don’t really deal with the discipline issue at all,” Wexler told me. “Our focus is on policy, on tactics, training and equipment.”

    Police departments should train officers to slow down, communicate more effectively and sometimes “step back,” Wexler said.

    “So much of this is about prevention,” he said. “What can you do to provide officers with the appropriate training, tactics, policy and supervision to keep them from getting into a situation where they have to use force?

    “I’m not saying discipline isn’t important,” Wexler added, “but you’re better off showing people how to do things first. … In many of these situations, I don’t blame the officer, I blame the training the officer receives.”

    Last week, McManus told the City Council that reform means training officers to be “more of a guardian than a warrior.”

    “If an officer does make a good-faith error in judgment,” McManus told me at that meeting, “the worst thing you can do is apply punitive discipline for an honest mistake.”

    Was the killing of Scott this week an “honest mistake”?

    “We’re looking at it very, very closely,” McManus said.

    "Punishment for excessive force who needs that.. All they need is more "training"… Pig Logic...
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.ksat.com/news/community-leaders-respond-to-officer-involved-shooting
    Community leaders respond to officer-involved shooting

    SAN ANTONIO - Community leaders spoke at a press conference Saturday over the shooting death of an unarmed man at the Wood Hollow Apartments by a San Antonio police officer.

    The San Antonio Police Department said Antronie Scott, 36, was shot once in the chest and killed by a uniformed officer Thursday at the apartments near Isom and East Ramsey roads.

    At a press conference held by the San Antonio Observer at the Barbara Jordan Community Center friends, family and community leaders reacted.

    "So we stand with this family today in all of the slaying, demanding that a full and complete 100 percent investigation be taken in account and served through," said Terrance Coklow, vice president of the Greater Eastside Coalition.


    Chief William McManus said Friday that is exactly what is underway.

    "Now it's up for independent review and the DA will go from there," McManus said.

    McManus said repeat offenders undercover detectives were tailing Scott, who was wanted on felony warrants, including possession of a firearm. McManus said John Lee, the uniformed officer that shot Scott, reacted quickly. It was later determined that Scott had a cellphone in his hand.

    "There are many challenges that we face on the street. We are more than adequately trained to deal with those challenges. You can't adequately predict e/t that will happen," McManus said.

    "All we seek today is justice," Coklow said.

    McManus said Lee has been with SAPD over a decade who has no complaints and has had no significant problems as a police officer.

    Lee is on administrative duty until the investigation by SAPD and the district attorney is completed.


    McManus said Lee has been with SAPD over a decade who has no complaints and has had no significant problems as a police officer.

    See everybody he was a "good" cop.. So there's nothing see everybody it wasn't this pig fault.. The evil black man turned around to quickly following a command.. And to put down in cold blood because that good pig was in fear.. SMDH...
  • CeLLaR-DooR
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    AggyAF wrote: »
    "Feared for his life" i hate that line

    Alie they can't come up with sutten new.
  • D0wn
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    Another Black man is dead cause of a senile pig couldn't tell difference between a cellphone & a gun

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    nope
    Another black man is dead because he's ? blk...
  • mrrealone
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    Cops still shooting first and asking questions later....
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Scott-family-makes-public-appearance-as-community-6812994.php
    Scott family makes public appearance as community leaders lend support

    Antronie Scott’s family members made their first public appearance Saturday as community leaders offered their support and some called for justice for the unarmed man who was shot to death by an officer Thursday.

    Scott’s widow, Elena Sprawling-Scott, and his mother, Diane Peppar, held back tears at the Barbara Jordan Community Center on the East Side. They flanked a lectern at which community leaders and local activists took turns sharing their views on police in San Antonio.

    “The Antronie Scott family demands justice. The Antronie Scott family deserves justice,” said Terrence Coklow, vice president of the Greater East Side Coalition, later including the families of Marquise Jones and Gilbert Flores, who also were killed by law enforcement.


    Scott, who was wanted on two felony warrants, had been followed by undercover officers to the Wood Hollow Apartments at 10362 Sahara St., near Isom and Ramsey roads, officials said. About 6:45 p.m., a uniformed officer was called to the scene to approach him.

    Officer John Lee, an 11-year veteran, pulled up to Scott as he was exiting a white Mercedes sedan. San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said that, according to Lee, he approached Scott and told him, “Let me see your hands,” then almost immediately fired his service weapon because Scott spun around quickly. Lee told officers he feared for his life.

    Hours later, McManus confirmed that Scott had been unarmed and was reaching for a cellphone, not a gun, when he was shot.

    As Coklow continued calling for the U.S. Justice Department to investigate the hiring of authorities in both SAPD and the FBI, Sprawling-Scott walked out of the room crying, escorted by family and friends.

    Mayor Ivy Taylor announced Friday night that she had met with McManus after concerns were brought to him by both the NAACP and the Baptist Ministers’ Union in response to the shooting.

    “The chief assures us that a full investigation is already underway by the Internal Affairs Unit and that the shooting will be reviewed by the District Attorney’s Office,” Taylor said in a statement. “I trust in the process and, as always, urge anyone with information to please come forward.”

    McManus issued a statement Saturday that said the department is continuing its investigation of the shooting and that information on both the criminal and administrative investigation will be released to the public as it becomes available.

    “We are committed to conducting an unbiased and transparent investigation into this matter,” he said in the statement.

    In the meantime, Lee was placed on administrative duty, officials said.

    In the crowd were members of Marquise Jones’ family, who stood in solidarity with the Scott family. Jones was fatally shot by off-duty officer Robert Encina in February 2014 at Chacho’s & Chalucci’s.

    “I said this was going to happen again,” Jones’ aunt Debbie Bush said, disagreeing with McManus’ statement that police need better policy and training and not harsher discipline.

    On Saturday evening, Thomas J. Henry Injury Attorneys announced in a news release that they are representing Scott’s wife and his estate.

    “To say this is disappointing is an understatement. This has become a serious concern in San Antonio,” Henry said in the statement. “This is now the second family my firm represents who had a family member unjustifiably killed at the hands of law enforcement agents.”

    The statement made note of the audio recording of the incident captured from an officer’s patrol car.

    “We will make sure all evidence gathered in this case is properly preserved. We also plan to file a temporary restraining order to protect the rights of the victim and his family,” the statement said.

    Taj Matthews, executive director of the Claude and ZerNona Black Developmental Leadership Foundation, said it’s an open-and-shut case.

    “This man’s life was taken by an irresponsible police officer,” Matthews said. “I do have faith in justice for this case.”
  • stringer bell
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    http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/wife-of-sapd-officer-involved-shooting-victim-fears-cover-up
    Wife of SAPD officer-involved shooting victim fears cover-up

    SAN ANTONIO -- The family of an unarmed man shot and killed by an SAPD officer shared its perspective through the staff of a weekly tabloid.

    The San Antonio Observer held a news conference Sunday afternoon where Stephanie Zarriello, the tabloid's publisher, said Antronie Scott had been "unjustly murdered."

    "The wife of Mr. Scott has asked me to convey her fear, her fear of SAPD officers and police union officials who she believes will stop at nothing and take any action necessary, even more murder or intimidation in order to see that Officer Lee is not punished for this crime," Zarriello said.

    She described the position of the 36-year-old's hands as being in a "posture of surrender" before the shot was fired Thursday night at an apartment complex on the North Side.

    Michael Tucker, an Observer reporter, added more details about the wife's perspective.

    "The fact of the matter is the man's hands were held above his head," Tucker said. "He was asked to put his hands up. He put his hands up. His wife was there. He was shot immediately."


    The Observer staff declined to elaborate on what else Scott's wife witnessed. The Scott family also declined to comment.

    SAPD Chief William McManus spoke to reporters on Thursday and again on Friday, promising a thorough investigation. He said Officer John Lee had been on the force for 10 years.

    "According to Officer Lee, the individual quickly spun around upon getting out of his vehicle toward Officer Lee," McManus said Friday.

    Lee said he thought he saw a gun in Scott's hand, according to McManus. It turned out to be a cell phone.

    Scott was wanted for crimes related to drugs and gun possession.

    "All we seek today is justice," said Terrance Coklow, vice president of the Greater East Side Coalition. "Justice is the principle of fair dealing. That's all we want is to be treated fairly. Conduct the investigation fairly. That's all we want and let the chips fall where it may."

    SAPD sent the following statement to News 4 on Saturday: "The San Antonio Police Department is continuing its investigation of the officer involved shooting. We will continue to provide the public with updates into both the criminal and administrative investigations as information becomes available. We are committed to conducting an unbiased and transparent investigation into this matter."

  • Kwan Dai
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    On top of murder this, reeks of ? drug dealing cops. The homie owed someone money, or lost a pack.
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Speakers-decry-police-shooting-here-tell-crowd-6816547.php
    Speakers decry police shooting here, tell crowd it could be ‘any one of us’

    As the sun set Monday on W.W. White Road, a small crowd in the parking lot of a Dollar General listened as Alvin Perry raised his voice to put the shooting of an unarmed man by a San Antonio police officer in a national category.

    “This is our Mike Brown,” Perry said. “This is our Laquan McDonald. This is our Trayvon Martin. This is our Tamir Rice. It’s getting ridiculous out there. We can’t just stand for it. We have to do something.”


    About 60 people were there to remember Perry’s friend Antronie Scott, 36, who was fatally shot Thursday as he got out of his car by an officer who had been dispatched to arrest him on two outstanding warrants.

    Some carried posters while others wore shirts with slogans that included “I am an endangered species.”

    The crowd applauded speakers who called for justice for Scott and those that their East Side community had lost to what they called an unwillingness by officers to listen or negotiate.


    Officer John Lee had approached Scott’s car and told him to keep his hands visible, but when Scott got out of the car and turned quickly, Lee mistook Scott’s cellphone for a gun and fired, Police Chief William McManus said. Police said Scott’s wife was a passenger in the car, which had pulled into the parking lot at the North Side apartment complex where they lived with their 11-year-old son. An investigation is ongoing.

    Speakers at Monday’s rally contradicted the police account on two particulars, saying Scott had his hands up when he was shot and that his son also was in the car.

    Perry, the event organizer, said it had been hastily organized but he was still disappointed to see that more people hadn’t shown up to support the push for justice for his friend.

    “I’m not going to tell you the number of people that should be out here,” Perry said to the crowd. “But, it should be more than this. You know why? Because this could happen to any one of us.”

    Perry and his brother, who both lead a seperate initiative called I Am the East Side, spoke before the crowd drew into a circle for prayer.

    Several of Scott’s family members, including his uncle and cousin, attended the event. Before the crowd was dismissed, Llarlene Barnes, a woman who said she was close to Scott’s family, addressed the group with a final call to action.

    “I just ask this community to stand up for Antronie,” Barnes said. “Stand up for these young men. They can’t just go around killing our children like this. It’s not right. This is America, people. This is America. It’s just not fair to any child — red, black, yellow or white. It’s not right.”

  • D0wn
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    mrrealone wrote: »
    Cops still shooting first and asking questions later....

    ? a ? , get away with it... why would they stop?
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.ksat.com/news/wife-of-man-shot-killed-by-officer-sues-sapd-officer-city
    Wife of man shot, killed by officer sues SAPD, officer, city

    SAN ANTONIO - The wife of a man who was killed by a San Antonio police officer is suing the officer, the San Antonio Police Department and the city of San Antonio.

    The lawsuit filed Friday seeks damages and punitive damages for numerous reasons, including, pain, suffering and mental anguish, medical expenses and funeral expenses. No dollar amount was specified.

    The lawsuit claims that Antronie Scott's civil rights were violated when Officer John Lee opened fire on him Feb. 4 in the parking lot of the Wood Hollow Apartments, near Isom and East Ramsey roads.

    Lee was asked to stop and arrest Antronie Scott, who was wanted on outstanding warrants after being spotted by undercover officers. The officers weren't allowed to apprehend the suspect because SAPD policy prohibits officers who are not in uniform or in marked vehicles to make stops.

    Scott's wife, Elena Scott, was in his car at the time and wasn't injured.

    In addition to the civil rights violation claims, the lawsuit said SAPD's policy and procedural manual on excessive force "gives vague and conflicting instructions to officers on when and under what circumstances force can be used. These conflicting policies ultimately allow officers to determine if deadly force is required based upon their individual judgment without specific guidelines.

    "These policies, among others, led to the shooting of Mr. Scott at a time when there was no immediate threat to the life of the officer in violation of his constitutional rights. The defendant's use of excessive action ... caused Scott's death," the lawsuit said.

    Police Chief William McManus said that Lee shot Antronie Scott because the officer feared for his life. Scott wasn't armed with a gun and was holding a cellphone in his hand when he was gunned down.

    In a Feb. 8 "Spriester's Sessions" interview with KSAT 12 News anchor Steve Spriester, McManus said that a "re-engineering use of force" is needed so that officers are better trained on when deadly force should be used.

    Lee, a 10-year veteran, is on administrative duty while the investigation is conducted.

    The case has been turned over to the Bexar County District Attorney's Office for review.

    SAPD's internal affairs is also investigating.
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Man-wanted-on-two-felony-warrants-shot-dead-by-6809709.php#photo-9357365
    Officer John Lee, a 10-year veteran of SAPD, pulled up to Scott as he was exiting a white Mercedes sedan, approached him and told him, “Let me see your hands,” then almost immediately fired his service weapon because Scott spun around quickly and the officer feared for his life, McManus said Friday.

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    So this pig had his gun out ready to shoot.. Yet at the same time is scared for his life...

    http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/crime-law/attorney-austin-officer-who-shot-naked-teen-feared/nqQhN/

    Attorney: Austin officer who shot naked teen feared for his life

    An Austin police officer who shot and killed a naked, unarmed teen last week feared for his life and was following department training at the moment he fired, his attorney told the American-Statesman Monday.

    The Feb. 8 encounter between officer Geoffrey Freeman and 17-year-old David Joseph unfolded in a matter of seconds after Freeman exited his patrol car, and Joseph, who was behaving aggressively and erratically, was in “very close proximity” to Freeman, said Michael Rickman, general counsel for the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas.

    “When you are in fear of your life, and that it could be taken, you have the right to use the amount of force necessary to repel the threat,” Rickman said. “Everybody knows what the facts are, and this officer did what he did in accordance with the training he received from the Austin Police Department.”


    Rickman said Freeman is cooperating fully with the police investigation into the shooting, which sparked an outcry from some in the community who contend Freeman’s use of lethal force was excessive. Austin police Chief Art Acevedo has said Freeman has “tough questions” to answer about his decision to fire.

    Freeman is on leave with the department, which is standard practice after an officer is involved in a shooting.

    The police account of events is that Joseph was naked when Freeman encountered him in the 12000 block of Natures Bend in Northeast Austin. When Freeman exited his patrol car, Joseph charged at him and disobeyed commands to stop before Freeman opened fire. A recording of police and EMS scanner traffic obtained by the Statesman suggests Joseph was shot twice in the chest.

    In a news conference late last week, Acevedo provided a more detailed timeline of the events that preceded the shooting. He spoke for the first time about the 911 calls leading up to the incident and noted that Freeman had called for backup minutes before his encounter with Joseph.

    Last week, Acevedo said he hopes the investigation into the shooting will be completed within 30 days — an expedited timeline for most fatal police shootings.

    Acevedo also met with several community advocates about the shooting, promising an impartial and full review of the shooting. He also defended the department’s policies, which have been reviewed in recent years by the U.S. Department of Justice.

    Freeman and Joseph are both African-American.

    “Officer Freeman needs to have a fair chance to defend himself on the facts,” Rickman said. “He is completely torn up over this.”

    The Austin Police Association Tuesday will have a news conference to discuss several issues arising from the shooting, including what union officials said included being short-staffed and having a lack of hand-to-hand use-of-force training.


    Wo.. I'm shocked.. This pig behind the good ole "police fear" excuse.. I've heard that excuse before.. Smh...
  • iron man1
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