General Manager - Which Sport Is The Most Challenging To Turn A Sorry Team Into A Winner

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  • damobb2deep
    damobb2deep Members Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    football... easily...

    baseball you can change ? with a player or two and good pitching...

    basketball the "stars" honestly can make themselves.. not saying its easy but look at jimmy butler... pozingis( not saying he is a "star" yet but he has surprised people..) steph curry... ect..

    football everything has to "go right" and honestly you might not even know the problem.. and things change so much every year because of inpatients... people will change quarterbacks yet the offensive coordinator sucks.... they will fire the head coach even though he has only been on the job 2 years... they will put a rookie quarterback in the line of fire say he sucks and draft another the next year.. see how that will get you nowhere?

    @Siqnih Da Trapper

    Inbarrising moment

    not really... lol idgaf... this ain't English class...
  • damobb2deep
    damobb2deep Members Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol lebron took the cavs from a lottery team to a finals team... that's just one dude....


    baseball ? you can buy a good team...


    you can be elite In one position and still not win a superbowl... in that case Dan Marino would have a ring...

    Moss would have a ring...

    T.O would have a ring...

    cris carter would have a ring...

    Warren Moon would have a ring.. ect...
  • bow to royalty
    bow to royalty Members Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Go figure wrote: »
    Basketball....if you make it to the playoffs you have to beat the better team 4 times to advance.

    Baseball has no salary caps

    Football u can advance by luck or if the other team has one random off night bc you only need one win to advance
    .

    Cant say I know where hockey stands on this

    The other side of that is in football, you can't have an off game. Every game is game 7, so with a much, much, much smaller margin for error, you could say it's more difficult in football. And with it being a single elimination playoff, that means that being the best team might not even be enough.

    It really does come down to there are 2 ways to look at it. The dominant team's POV, or the underdog POV. In the NBA/MLB it's easier for the dominant/wealthier team to win the championship than it is for the dominant NFL team. In the NFL it's easier for the underdog to win the SB, than it is the underdog in the NBA to win a championship.
  • bow to royalty
    bow to royalty Members Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2016
    The question is from a GM's perspective, so I'd go with NBA being easier. You have to get less picks right, and you have to get them less often. How long have the Spurs had Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli? You don't get to hold onto a core for 15 years in the NFL. The Broncos and Panthers just made it to the SB. Neither one of them can honestly say with confidence that they'll be back in the SB in 3 years because it's hard as hell to keep a team together, whether people leave due to FA or retirement (coaches or players). So with the need to constantly work to keep your team together, and fill in holes that continuously pop up on your roster...it's NFL.
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Members Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    football... easily...

    baseball you can change ? with a player or two and good pitching...

    basketball the "stars" honestly can make themselves.. not saying its easy but look at jimmy butler... pozingis( not saying he is a "star" yet but he has surprised people..) steph curry... ect..

    football everything has to "go right" and honestly you might not even know the problem.. and things change so much every year because of inpatients... people will change quarterbacks yet the offensive coordinator sucks.... they will fire the head coach even though he has only been on the job 2 years... they will put a rookie quarterback in the line of fire say he sucks and draft another the next year.. see how that will get you nowhere?

    You edited this post 2 days later and left the bold? LLS
    Start @1:25
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2PXlUjWz5M
  • numbaz...80's baby
    numbaz...80's baby Members Posts: 5,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2016
    lol lebron took the cavs from a lottery team to a finals team... that's just one dude....


    baseball ? you can buy a good team...


    you can be elite In one position and still not win a superbowl... in that case Dan Marino would have a ring...

    Moss would have a ring...

    T.O would have a ring...

    cris carter would have a ring...

    Warren Moon would have a ring.. ect...

    A Lebron James type of player comes around about once a decade though. And Lebron had a future hall of famer on his team. Those players you mentioned didn't have 20-30 hall of fame teammates. Lebron is a bad example.
  • Tommy bilfiger
    Tommy bilfiger Members Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭

    baseball ? you can buy a good team...

    No you can't.The top 7 payrolls in baseball last year only 2 made the playoffs
  • Breezy_Kilroy
    Breezy_Kilroy Members Posts: 10,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "lol lebron took the cavs from a lottery team to a finals team... that's just one dude...."

    You're not giving the team aspect enough credit. Lebron had to join Wade and Bosh to get it done and they had to be surrounded by a great cast of players. Now he has Ky, Love, JR, Thompson etc his team is loaded.

    Basketball is hard because honestly the talent margin is so wide. A great player can make a huge difference but look at how many great players there have been and who has won. As great as TMac was dude never got out of the first round during his run.

    Jordan arguably the GOAT had to have so many things go right to finally win.
    Phil had to come along, Scottie had to step up etc.
  • damobb2deep
    damobb2deep Members Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol lebron took the cavs from a lottery team to a finals team... that's just one dude....


    baseball ? you can buy a good team...


    you can be elite In one position and still not win a superbowl... in that case Dan Marino would have a ring...

    Moss would have a ring...

    T.O would have a ring...

    cris carter would have a ring...

    Warren Moon would have a ring.. ect...

    A Lebron James type of player comes around about once a decade though. And Lebron had a future hall of famer on his team. Those players you mentioned didn't have 20-30 hall of fame teammates. Lebron is a bad example.

    who is the future Hall of Famer on the cavs this year? during his 1st run he had shaq but he was way past his prime...
  • damobb2deep
    damobb2deep Members Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "lol lebron took the cavs from a lottery team to a finals team... that's just one dude...."

    You're not giving the team aspect enough credit. Lebron had to join Wade and Bosh to get it done and they had to be surrounded by a great cast of players. Now he has Ky, Love, JR, Thompson etc his team is loaded.

    Basketball is hard because honestly the talent margin is so wide. A great player can make a huge difference but look at how many great players there have been and who has won. As great as TMac was dude never got out of the first round during his run.

    Jordan arguably the GOAT had to have so many things go right to finally win.
    Phil had to come along, Scottie had to step up etc.

    imagine football though... in football way more has to go right... injuries are way more common... the ? is damn near guaranteed.. plus you have to factor the best people on your team might not even be on the field at the same time... also it's way more likely a great in basketball will get a ring than a great in football.. their window is way smaller... out side of quarterback (lol and kicker) you are lucky to make 35 and still be in the league... nba you can play till closer to 40.. baseball you can play past 40..
  • damobb2deep
    damobb2deep Members Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    baseball ? you can buy a good team...

    No you can't.The top 7 payrolls in baseball last year only 2 made the playoffs

    what I mean by that is big name people can be bought in MLB with fewer consiqences... nfl not so much...
  • the_focused_one
    the_focused_one Members Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Beta wrote: »
    Hate when ? say parody instead of parity lol

    Nah muthafucka he meant Parody. But he was wrong... Parody is hella easy for small market teams. Look at the Kings... They are so good at Parody sometimes they ? around and you really think they are an NBA team... sometimes...
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    It's amazing yall really think it's football, more often than not in the history of the game you need a top tier superstar to even have a chance in the NBA and usually some stars around that star, football is more of a coaches game you don't need a top tier QB to win the superbowl you can win it with a Joe Flacco or most recently Peyton Manning (of 2015-16) as long as you're well coached and have a great defense, you can find all pro type talent in the 4th/5th/6th/7th round and you can find players who can play and be effective without experience right away, NBA it's more of a ? shoot even when you're drafting in the lottery you're drafting a player you hope will turn into a superstar after a few years of experience but more often than not it doesn't happen, in the past 5 years if you didn't have Lebron James on you're not even making it out the east, then you have teams that put superstars together and can barely make the playoffs, then you have teams that are talented and the core has been together for years hoping every year they take it to another level but in reality even making it to a conference final is a long shot, some teams are forever rebuilding, in the NFL a team that nobody saw coming could be a superbowl threat any given year
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Once the playoffs start in the NFL. Anybody can win

    The Giants won two super bowls and didn't even make it the playoffs the year before they won it. And they won it as a the last seed.

    Any given Sunday


    Cosign. They were wildcard teams and won the Super Bowl. And the Patriots were undefeated one of those years.

    In football, all you have to do is make the playoffs and you can win a Superbowl. You can be 10-6 or 11-5 and have a realistic chance of winning it all.

    In basketball there's too many seven game series' to get lucky.

    Baseball there's too many games period (162) to get lucky, only the best teams make the playoffs.

    The answer is football, if you have an above average team and a lot of heart you can win a Super Bowl.

    Eli has two rings but otherwise doesn't have any stats that suggest he's a GOAT.
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Once the playoffs start in the NFL. Anybody can win

    The Giants won two super bowls and didn't even make it the playoffs the year before they won it. And they won it as a the last seed.

    Any given Sunday


    Cosign. They were wildcard teams and won the Super Bowl. And the Patriots were undefeated one of those years.

    In football, all you have to do is make the playoffs and you can win a Superbowl. You can be 10-6 or 11-5 and have a realistic chance of winning it all.

    In basketball there's too many seven game series' to get lucky.

    Baseball there's too many games period (162) to get lucky, only the best teams make the playoffs.

    The answer is football, if you have an above average team and a lot of heart you can win a Super Bowl.

    Eli has two rings but otherwise doesn't have any stats that suggest he's a GOAT.

    You mean it's not football
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Once the playoffs start in the NFL. Anybody can win

    The Giants won two super bowls and didn't even make it the playoffs the year before they won it. And they won it as a the last seed.

    Any given Sunday


    Cosign. They were wildcard teams and won the Super Bowl. And the Patriots were undefeated one of those years.

    In football, all you have to do is make the playoffs and you can win a Superbowl. You can be 10-6 or 11-5 and have a realistic chance of winning it all.

    In basketball there's too many seven game series' to get lucky.

    Baseball there's too many games period (162) to get lucky, only the best teams make the playoffs.

    The answer is football, if you have an above average team and a lot of heart you can win a Super Bowl.

    Eli has two rings but otherwise doesn't have any stats that suggest he's a GOAT.

    You mean it's not football

    You're right.

    my bad
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So what's the answer?
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    So what's the answer?

    I'd say baseball. Here's why;

    1. You have five starting pitchers that rotate. If you want a championship at least three of them have to be elite.

    2. If you want to go to the playoffs/world series you'll need two or three elite closing pitchers to pitch the seventh, eighth and ninth (if necessary) innings .

    ^^^ Right there that's at least 5 elite pitchers

    3. You'll need two left handed batters that bat .300+. Most teams generally have two left handed batters spaced throughout their line up.

    4. You'll need an all-star catcher (who bats .300+) that can make a consistent throw from home to second (while squatting) when somebody is trying to steal a base. Your catcher can't let people steal bases.

    5. You'll need an offensive player who can get on base and steal bases.

    6. The rest of your team has to be solid, there can't be any weak links.

    7. If you're an American League team you'll need a DH that bats .300+, if you're a National League team, your pitchers have to bat at least .180.


    ^^^All of those things are difficult to coordinate, especially if your team is in a small market and doesn't generate much money. A team like the Yankees can hire the best pitchers, the best batters, and the best overall players in every position. Just about everybody on the 2015 Yankees batted over .250. Small market teams are lucky if they have one or two players that bat over .250.

    Also, once a player on a small market team has a really good year (i.e. Alex Rodriguez), the bigger teams (like the Yankees) buy his contract. The smaller market teams can't compete against the Yankees and thats why they have the most championships (27) out of any sport.
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Over ? ? ? on the needs of a pennant winning team
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    ? your from Newton ctr so I'm guessing you're a sox fan, look at the 2013 Red Sox, we barely had any of what you just posted
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ? your from Newton ctr so I'm guessing you're a sox fan, look at the 2013 Red Sox, we barely had any of what you just posted

    In baseball its clear that the team that spends the most money wins the most championships.

    And the Red Sox are a large market team, maybe not as large as the Yankees but they have more money than most teams. Every Red Sox game I've ever been too was sold out and filled to capacity. I've seen highlights of games in other cities where the stands are empty.
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kansas City had the 16th highest payroll last year
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are you suggesting that larger market teams don't have an advantage in baseball?
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boston had the 3rd highest psyroll and didn't make the playoffs last year, Yankees had the 2nd and lost to a team with the 29th ranked payroll in the wildcard game, you don't NEED to have the highest payroll to win it, matter fact trying to buy one is proving to be an inefficient way to build a roster, most of the top teams right now aren't even in the top 10 highest payrolls
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know why you idiots are overthinking this and posting a bunch of nonsense, it's NBA and it's not close